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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 19 Mar 2021, 15:51:05

Tanada wrote:
Pops wrote:So it is good news that sperm count is falling but not good news that women are getting more of a say in baby making (see the last 5 pages)?

Gotta be something there, I just don't know what. LOL


Personally I think the "good news" would be exactly the opposite, women should have full access to birth control and the choice of using it or not, but a low sperm count is nothing to celebrate as it indicates very bad outcomes long term and is often a sign of environmental factors like endocrine disruption and so on.



Tanada,

This is of course true. However, when looking at a potential massive die of ff then the possibility that it will be delayed and diminished has its own attractions.

It is mostly a time game. Birth control and raising women's standards are good things and contribute to the solution. The problem is that it is a long game and if the game timeline laid out in the “carbon budget” is even remotely correct that strategy is moving orders of magnitude too slow for any meaningful effect.

I have never argued against birth control or women’s reproductive empowerment. I have argued that the results take far, far too long to be effective.

To be honest diminished male fertility is also likely to have very little effect on population growth. As any dairy farmer knows one bull can fertilize many cows. And so it is with humans. If the ladies want to bear children they will find a way.
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 26 Mar 2021, 12:07:53

Ever Given impact on world economy.

https://gcaptain.com/suez-canal-blockag ... ly-chains/

Reminds me of LTG.
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby Newfie » Sat 27 Mar 2021, 08:21:24

Shipping rates for oil product tankers nearly doubled after the ship became stranded, and efforts to free the giant vessel may take weeks and be complicated by unstable weather, threatening costly delays for companies already dealing with COVID-19 restrictions.


https://gcaptain.com/shipping-rates-cape-of-good-hope/

This grounding is effecting something over 10% of world shipping.

Recent reports indicate things are not going well with recovery efforts. The ship is flooding but how badly is not known. All we know is they have brought in high capacity pumps for the thruster spaces in the bows.

While they will attempt to reflect the ship on the high lunar tides early next week they have also brought in a floating to start lightering the containers. Guesses are about 1/4 of the 20,000 containers (5,000) will need to he removed. One....at....a....time. Even at a large dockside facility watching the big cranes work is very boring, they come off slowly.

In the meantime the ship is hogging and sagging with each tide cycle but also being effected by the current pushing back and forth. She is settling in and weakening. This is a race against time. Hopefully they will he successful.

At least 10 vessels designed to ship animals are parked near the shuttered canal, and several appear to be en route between Romania and Saudi Arabia, according to ship data compiled by Bloomberg. The ones departing the European country are likely carrying sheep, which Saudi Arabia purchases so that the animals can be slaughtered according to religious preferences. Those traveling the other direction could be empty vessels.


At least they are in the Med side where there is water and feed kinda available, maybe.

https://gcaptain.com/sheep-livestock-suez-canal/

[quote] Taiwanese container shipping company Evergreen Marine Corporation has confirmed an order for 20 more ultra-large containerships at Samsung Heavy Industries as salvors continue to try to refloat the Evergreen-chartered MV Ever Given from the Suez Canal.[quote]

These are Ultra class ships. An even bigger class is supposedly under construction... Ultra ULTRA class ships.

/https://gcaptain.com/ever-givens-operator-orders-20-new-ultra-large-ships-at-samsung-heavy-industries/

All this points to us approaching our Limits To Growth and the need for organized DEgrowth.
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Re: Degrowth Thread

Unread postby JuanP » Sat 27 Mar 2021, 11:26:55

And the Chinese are designing Super Duper Ultra Ultra Big Max ships, too, which are longer and wider and go deeper, too! :lol:
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Re: Degrowth Thread

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