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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 10:36:34

And once again, there are no reasons for this "war". It's just the bad people (BLM), are against the wonderful peacekeepers, only because they are bad people (anarchy seeking haters). With a little anti-Obama thrown in for good luck.
This article probably runs well in Rush land. Simplistic article for simple people.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 11:33:56

Hawkcreek wrote:And once again, there are no reasons for this "war". It's just the bad people (BLM), are against the wonderful peacekeepers, only because they are bad people (anarchy seeking haters). With a little anti-Obama thrown in for good luck.
This article probably runs well in Rush land. Simplistic article for simple people.


Neither side is made up of angels, that much is certain. However the record of the majority of people who are killed is a reflection of life that is far below average in honesty and integrity. We tell the law officers to protect us from bad people, then we fail to recognize the incredible stress they are under.

IMO police work should be seen like military lifestyle, expect while a military combat veteran gets rotated away from the battle zone for extended periods the law enforcement folks do not. There is no rear echelon reserve zone where law officers can be assigned for a few months to allow stress to dissipate. Nearly every law enforcement agency from county sheriff, state police, or village constable is under manned and over worked.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 14:35:16

"police work should be seen like military lifestyle"

Except that most cops never shoot a gun in their entire career.

https://www.quora.com/On-average-how-ma ... cer-career
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 14:48:32

dohboi wrote:"police work should be seen like military lifestyle"

Except that most cops never shoot a gun in their entire career.

https://www.quora.com/On-average-how-ma ... cer-career


Most military personnel are in support roles like truck drivers, they also never fire their guns in anger. That doesn't mean they can't use a weapon if the occasion calls for it. Also note that truck drivers or cargo aircraft pilots or even the guys working in the warehouse supply system loading and unloading are just as subject to PTSD because there is the constant threat of enemy fire coming at them even though they are in the support role.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 16:48:41

And of course there are lots and lots of professions more dangerous than being a police officer--logging, farming, roofing, recycling...in fact policing is #15 in this recent ranking of Most Dangerous Jobs: http://time.com/4326676/dangerous-jobs-america/

So if you have a hankering for honoring cops for their service, knock yourselves out.

But don't forget to honor the people that provide the material for your house (and much else), the folks that grow your food, the folks that actually make and patch the roof over your head...

They are putting their lives in even more danger to make sure you can survive...

(ETA: Note that the article cited above quotes a cop who said of them: "...an infinitesimal percentage, fire them more than twice." Not really comparable to soldiers in the field, thank goodness, in spite of the impression you might get from cop shows. But still, white, black or green, you're more likely to get shot by a cop in the US than in nearly any other industrial country. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -countries)
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 17:26:32

dohboi wrote:And of course there are lots and lots of professions more dangerous than being a police officer--logging, farming, roofing, recycling...in fact policing is #15 in this recent ranking of Most Dangerous Jobs: http://time.com/4326676/dangerous-jobs-america/

So if you have a hankering for honoring cops for their service, knock yourselves out.

But don't forget to honor the people that provide the material for your house (and much else), the folks that grow your food, the folks that actually make and patch the roof over your head...

They are putting their lives in even more danger to make sure you can survive...

(ETA: Note that the article cited above quotes a cop who said of them: "...an infinitesimal percentage, fire them more than twice." Not really comparable to soldiers in the field, thank goodness, in spite of the impression you might get from cop shows. But still, white, black or green, you're more likely to get shot by a cop in the US than in nearly any other industrial country. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -countries)


Apples and oranges Dohboi. When a roofer or a heavy equipment operator or a mine worker goes on the job nobody is looking at their uniform work clothes and responding spitefully. I have not seen any stories about snipers picking off coal mine truck drivers because they hate global warming, or competing fishing boats ramming other boats to sink them. Some tasks are inherently dangerous, but most of those jobs pay very well. One of those workers on The Deadliest Catch can work three or four months and pay all their expenses for the rest of the year. That is most certainly not true of a Detroit or Toledo city police officer. Are officers where you live paid that much?
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Lore » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 17:45:33

Typically farmers don't end up with much at the end of the day and either do roofers. Taking a job in public service like law enforcement or firefighting the applicant should best be aware of the dangers. If they are not acceptable in pay versus risk, then best to look elsewhere.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 17:58:45

Tanada wrote: Are officers where you live paid that much?

The median pay for a Boston police officer is $56K.
New Hampshire state troopers start at 49K plus bennies and often work construction details at overtime. Highest paid cops. New Jersey $75K, Lowest Mississippi $40 K.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 18:09:53

dohboi wrote:(As we watch loki's delusions spin ever further off into the realms of lala! :lol: :lol: )


You again resort to personal attacks. No content post, just hatred.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby dohboi » Tue 19 Jul 2016, 23:28:53

"Are officers where you live paid that much?"

No

Neither are any of the other 14 jobs that were listed as more dangerous than what cops do, by and large.

I'm really trying to figure out what you point is here (but maybe it's so hard to figure out because you don't really have one?? :) :) ).

Newf--pointing out people's delusions is the highest form of compassion--far from 'just hatred'...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avidy%C4%81_(Buddhism) (you folks really do seem to be on a totally different planet here.)
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Loki » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 01:13:12

Hawkcreek wrote:And once again, there are no reasons for this "war". It's just the bad people (BLM), are against the wonderful peacekeepers, only because they are bad people (anarchy seeking haters). With a little anti-Obama thrown in for good luck.
This article probably runs well in Rush land. Simplistic article for simple people.

White nationalists have their lists of grievances as well. What's your point?

Don't bother to answer, I already know. Black nationalists get a free pass in the media and among progressives, despite their vile, openly racist ideology. If all of the social disorder BLM has incited was instead provoked by white nationalists, progressives would demand the institution of national martial law and the mobilization of the military on the streets of every city in the US.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 07:41:18

Loki,
Somehow I think you missed Hawks point.

I'll just state mine which I think is similar.

BOTH sides have grievences. There are good and bad on both sides. It would be refreshing if folks tried to find a way for the communities and police to work together.

But that doesn't sell newspapers or eyeballs. So the "news" men sell the hype, the blood. This is immature, selfish, and dangerous for all of us.

By and large these are still rare events. But allow ourselves to be manipulated by the media into a state of hysteria.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 08:03:33

"It would be refreshing if folks tried to find a way for the communities and police to work together."

You mean like this? :

http://thegrio.com/2016/07/18/black-liv ... joint-bbq/

Black Lives Matter and Kansas police have joint BBQ

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(Not something, to my knowledge, that the WeatherUnderground or the Black Panthers ever did!)
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 13:34:39

Dohboi,
You were the one calling for the end of the government a bit back.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 15:00:14

"It's only racists making asses of themselves here--actually, they don't have to 'make' themselves anything, since they already are. :lol: :lol: :lol:

When I see a coherent response to anything, I'll address--haven't seen anything close to rising to that level so far.

And yeah, when a society has become so corrupt that it's law enforcement officers feel that they are an occupying force that can shoot anyone they want for any or no reason, it's time to shut it down until we can find a better way to organize society."


Dohboi,

I guess you have seen the error of your ways and are now advocating peaceful resolutions v SHUT IT DOWN?
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Cog » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 16:11:13

Police could simply withdraw from black communities entirely. I'm sure that would solve the problem.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 16:30:09

Loki wrote:
Hawkcreek wrote:And once again, there are no reasons for this "war". It's just the bad people (BLM), are against the wonderful peacekeepers, only because they are bad people (anarchy seeking haters). With a little anti-Obama thrown in for good luck.
This article probably runs well in Rush land. Simplistic article for simple people.

White nationalists have their lists of grievances as well. What's your point?

Don't bother to answer, I already know. Black nationalists get a free pass in the media and among progressives, despite their vile, openly racist ideology. If all of the social disorder BLM has incited was instead provoked by white nationalists, progressives would demand the institution of national martial law and the mobilization of the military on the streets of every city in the US.

How you could build that paragraph and call it "my" point, I'll never know.
But thanks for trying.
I will try to be more clear from now on.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby dohboi » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 21:02:24

"If you don't understand what it say, check with Newfie." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Meanwhile...here's something that contextualizes what some people here seem to be trying to do:

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-c ... ionalists/

 The Coming War on ‘Black Nationalists’
A caricature of black radicalism is becoming the pretext for aggressive policing of racial-justice activism. We’ve been here before.
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Loki » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 21:46:50

Hawkcreek wrote:
Loki wrote:
Hawkcreek wrote:And once again, there are no reasons for this "war". It's just the bad people (BLM), are against the wonderful peacekeepers, only because they are bad people (anarchy seeking haters). With a little anti-Obama thrown in for good luck.
This article probably runs well in Rush land. Simplistic article for simple people.

White nationalists have their lists of grievances as well. What's your point?

Don't bother to answer, I already know. Black nationalists get a free pass in the media and among progressives, despite their vile, openly racist ideology. If all of the social disorder BLM has incited was instead provoked by white nationalists, progressives would demand the institution of national martial law and the mobilization of the military on the streets of every city in the US.

How you could build that paragraph and call it "my" point, I'll never know.
But thanks for trying.
I will try to be more clear from now on.
If you don't understand what it say, check with Newfie.

I got your point just fine. That BLM and other black nationalist groups have "reasons" for their actions. No shit. But those reasons are bunk. And the progressives supporting these racist groups are hypocrites.

But by all means, let us know what these "reasons" are. Your post makes it pretty clear you think these reasons are valid. Lemme guess, does it have something to do with white privilege?
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Re: Dallas Sniper 7/7/2016

Unread postby Loki » Wed 20 Jul 2016, 22:06:13

Thomas Sowell on BLM:

There is a ton of blame, more than enough to go around to the wide range of people and institutions that have contributed to these disasters. In addition to the murderers who have killed people they don’t even know, there are those who created the atmosphere of blind hatred in which such killers flourish.

Chief among those who generate this poisonous atmosphere are career race hustlers such as Al Sharpton and racist institutions such as the Black Lives Matter movement. All such demagogues need is a situation where there has been a confrontation where someone was white and someone else was black. The facts don’t matter to them.

The same is true of the more upscale, genteel, and sophisticated race panderers, including the president of the United States. During his first year in the White House, Barack Obama chastised a white policeman over his handling of an incident with a black professor at Harvard — after admitting that he didn’t know the specific facts.

Nor did he know the specifics when he publicly announced that, if he had a son, that son would look like Trayvon Martin. Are we to decide who is right and who is wrong on the basis of skin color? There was a long history of that in the days of the old Jim Crow South. Are we fighting against racism today or do we just want to put it under new management?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... heightened}
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