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Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 19:44:21

Ibon wrote:
Newfie wrote:Previously I had stated that Biden would win in a second or subsequent ballot due to super delegates. With this Ukraine ness it might not be Biden but Bloomberg or Hillary.
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If its Bloomberg or Clinton then I will not vote. That is when I join the crowd that votes for Trump to watch the implosion.


Mayor Pete is going to outsmart them all. His strategy has been to focus on Iowa and New Hampshire......and its working.

Mayor Pete is charging to the top in polling in Iowa and New Hampshire and he won the most recent debate as well. Once Mayor Pete starts winning primaries while Biden comes in 4th or 5th the Biden campaign will collapse and his batch of moderate voters will abandon Biden and switch to Pete, setting him up to win the nomination. Warren and Sanders will split the socialist vote, putting Pete in the driver's seat to win lots of primaries and get the nomination and then start campaigning to win the White House.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Ibon » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 20:12:13

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Ibon wrote:
Newfie wrote:Previously I had stated that Biden would win in a second or subsequent ballot due to super delegates. With this Ukraine ness it might not be Biden but Bloomberg or Hillary.
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If its Bloomberg or Clinton then I will not vote. That is when I join the crowd that votes for Trump to watch the implosion.


Mayor Pete is going to outsmart them all. His strategy has been to focus on Iowa and New Hampshire......and its working.

Mayor Pete is charging to the top in polling in Iowa and New Hampshire and he won the most recent debate as well. Once Mayor Pete starts winning primaries while Biden comes in 4th or 5th the Biden campaign will collapse and his batch of moderate voters will abandon Biden and switch to Pete, setting him up to win the nomination. Warren and Sanders will split the socialist vote, putting Pete in the driver's seat to win lots of primaries and get the nomination and then start campaigning to win the White House.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 20:26:28

Plantagenet wrote:
Ibon wrote:
Newfie wrote:Previously I had stated that Biden would win in a second or subsequent ballot due to super delegates. With this Ukraine ness it might not be Biden but Bloomberg or Hillary.
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If its Bloomberg or Clinton then I will not vote. That is when I join the crowd that votes for Trump to watch the implosion.


Mayor Pete is going to outsmart them all. His strategy has been to focus on Iowa and New Hampshire......and its working.

Mayor Pete is charging to the top in polling in Iowa and New Hampshire and he won the most recent debate as well. Once Mayor Pete starts winning primaries while Biden comes in 4th or 5th the Biden campaign will collapse and his batch of moderate voters will abandon Biden and switch to Pete, setting him up to win the nomination. Warren and Sanders will split the socialist vote, putting Pete in the driver's seat to win lots of primaries and get the nomination and then start campaigning to win the White House.

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That's certainly worked in the past. Look at the Trump campaign. I kept expecting that to be a blip and Trump to fall in the polls at any time -- until Super Tuesday was over and he hadn't.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 22 Nov 2019, 23:25:27

They were in deep mourning on the PBS news hour tonight. The latest polls are in and the American people are turning against impeachment

polls-impeachment-farce-backfiring-spectacularly

The dog-and-pony show that the Ds just put on didn't do the job. The latest polls are running agains the Ds.

Even worse, the Rs are running tough ads in the districts of Ds who voted for impeachment and there is some discomfort from the new D Congresscritters who won in toss-up districts as their vote for the impeachment inquiry is lambasted in the ads and they are exposed as partisan Ds.

This is a very interesting development. We'll have to see if the Ds in the House continue with the impeachment farce, or if they pull back before its too late.

I know personally I am convinced that Trump did something unethical in briefly withholding aid from Ukraine, but it just doesn't seem like a very big deal. AND, IMHO the various government bureaucrats who were paraded in front of the TV camera to denounce Trump were themselves not very attractive. They came across as arrogant gits who think they should be setting American policy rather then the president. One guy even wore a bowtie and sneered into the camera, arrogantly telling America what he thought US policy should be. The military guy turned out to be the one who leaked all this whistleblower, going outside the chain of command. AND the last witness, Fiona Hill, came across as a crazed British governess, lecturing Americans on her view of US policy.

Berkeley Breathed, the wonderful cartoonist, just released a strip where Fiona Hill attacks one of his cartoon characters with an AXE! Thats how she came across in his opinion. Not exactly impartial---more like a unlikable and hypercritical maiden aunt picking on poor old Donald, the fun Uncle at the Thanksgiving dinner table.

I know almost all the government employees are Ds, but don't any of these people know that the PRESIDENT makes US policy? What is their problem???!?!?!?

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby dissident » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 00:53:03

Too bad so many saps still swallow the BS that Trump pressured Ukraine to "investigate his political rivals". That is pure fake media spin and nothing related to reality. The only investigation that Ukraine could conduct would be vis a vis Hunter Biden. Given that his dealings in Ukraine are corrupt, that is hardly the equivalent of "investigate his political rivals" which sounds like US based opponents who are merely his political opponents.

And it is just so thick and rick for the D. party to whinge about Trump trying to "investigate his political rivals" when they staged the biggest legal fraud in US history via the political usurpation of the FBI and CIA to engage in political smear and ultimately sabotage of Trump's presidency.

It is the D. party leadership that should be up for impeachment and Obummer needs to be tried for crimes against the constitution via brazen violation of his oath of office.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 19:00:50

Plantagenet wrote:the impeachment farce


Will you please, once and for all, just admit you're in the tank for Trump? This partisan spin is painfully obvious on your part.

Plantagenet wrote:I know personally I am convinced that Trump did something unethical in briefly withholding aid from Ukraine, but it just doesn't seem like a very big deal.


And why should you be the one to judge?

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 19:17:18

asg70 wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:the impeachment farce


Will you please, once and for all, just admit you're in the tank for Trump? This partisan spin is painfully obvious on your part.



You obviously aren’t sophisticated enough to understand that it is possible to not be a Trump supporter and at the same time deplore the very partisan impeachment process the Ds are involved in.

You also don’t seem to understand that in my post above I was sayIng the Ds are damaging their own cause by engaging in what is obviously an unfair and partisan impeachment process. The poll numbers are showing Independents are turning against what they see as a farcical impeachment inquiry. Do I have to explain everything to you twice??? It isn’t good for the Ds to be seen wasting their time in a partisan “coup” attempt (and the person who said he was engaged in a coup was the the D lawyer who wrote the whistleblower report).

Think about it —-Its just political malpractice for the Ds to boast about carrying out a coup. Independent voters don’t like it and polls show they are turning against it.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 20:00:23

If this impeachment was for Obama, I would have to admit, he ought to be impeached if he did that. Trump, on the other hand, has much more baggage. They could have wrote 20 articles of impeachment for Trump.

Obama did 'steal' a noble prize. Let's impeach him :-)
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 21:48:20

Plantagenet wrote:You obviously aren’t sophisticated enough to understand that it is possible to not be a Trump supporter and at the same time deplore the very partisan impeachment process the Ds are involved in.


Sorry, if it walks like a duck...

Point being that you constantly attack Ds and defend Rs. You just don't, for some reason, want to be called on it.

It's a rather cowardly way to conduct yourself, frankly. I'd have a lot more respect for you if you just admitted to being a dyed in the wool Palin-style Alaskan conservative. The cognitive dissonance we get from you is deafening.

Plantagenet wrote:You also don’t seem to understand that in my post above I was sayIng the Ds are damaging their own cause


I know what you're accusing them of. I just think it's rank BS.

That's your modus operandi. To throw any possible mud at the Ds and hope it sticks.

Plantagenet wrote:The poll numbers


The poll numbers show that the country is full of brainwashed "deplorables".

Plantagenet wrote:It isn’t good for the Ds to be seen wasting their time


That's just it. They're not wasting their time. They're injecting some much-needed accountability and checks and balances to the office of the president.

Just because you call it a waste of time doesn't make it so.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby careinke » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 21:49:40

jedrider wrote:
Obama did 'steal' a noble prize. Let's impeach him :-)


No, it was freely given to him, no stealing involved. I'm just not sure why. :roll: :?: :roll:
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Sat 23 Nov 2019, 22:02:04

careinke wrote:
jedrider wrote:
Obama did 'steal' a noble prize. Let's impeach him :-)


No, it was freely given to him, no stealing involved. I'm just not sure why. :roll: :?: :roll:


It was supposed to be for him being the President of Peace. He accepted it, but he didn't bring peace. I say IMPEACH!
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Sun 24 Nov 2019, 01:02:35

I digress. So, this is getting weirder all the time. Not only Guiliani, but Nunes himself is involved in the Ukrainian shakedown. How weird.

Giuliani Crony Can Detail Nunes’ Meeting With Ex-Ukraine Official To Get Biden Dirt: Report
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-lev-parnas-devin-nunes-joe-biden_n_5dd8a90ee4b0913e6f6cba16

So, Nunes could have been a witness!

Rudy Giuliani’s motivations come into sharper focus in newly released documents
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-23/rudy-giulianis-motivations-come-into-sharper-focus-in-newly-released-documents

The documents also show a phone call between Pompeo and Rep. Devin Nunes of Tulare, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, on April 1, three days after Pompeo’s second conversation with Giuliani. Nunes is a fervent defender of Trump, and it’s unclear what business he would have with the secretary of State.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Newfie » Sun 24 Nov 2019, 04:17:13

jedrider wrote:If this impeachment was for Obama, I would have to admit, he ought to be impeached if he did that. Trump, on the other hand, has much more baggage. They could have wrote 20 articles of impeachment for Trump.

Obama did 'steal' a noble prize. Let's impeach him :-)


Well he did order the summary execution of an American citizen and attacked a country we were not at war with (Lybia).

And we will see if the Horowitz investigation uncovers anything else.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 24 Nov 2019, 11:36:06

Another day, another Hunter Biden scandal.

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Just weeks after Hunter Biden formed his company the Obama administration gave the company 130 million dollars. That stinks to high heaven of nepotism, special treatment and sleaze.

No wonder the Ds won' allow the Rs to subpoena him to ask him questions.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby jedrider » Sun 24 Nov 2019, 12:50:50

Wouldn't that be wonderful, Plantagenet, if the US Senate, for instance, could get behind uprooting corruption in government. A lot of the public could get behind it. I wounder why that doesn't happen??
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 24 Nov 2019, 21:49:22

jedrider wrote:Wouldn't that be wonderful, Plantagenet, if the US Senate, for instance, could get behind uprooting corruption in government. A lot of the public could get behind it. I wounder why that doesn't happen??


Thats a great idea, jedrider. I'd love to see that.

However, the Senate is almost as partisan as the House is, and just about everything they do becomes tainted by partisanship just as happens in the House.

Ideally the media should be non-partisan and trusted enough to investigate and expose corruption in government and FORCE the justice department or other prosecutorial agencies to investigate the corruption they expose. Thats why we have freedom of the press in this country....to allow the press to stand up to the government and criticize the government .

Unfortunately, the media seems to have largely abandoned its role as a non-partisan source of news and instead has increasingly become either just another voice mindless repeating the D side (MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS) or on the R side (FOX). The media has become just as partisan as the Ds and Rs are.

I mostly listen to NPR and watch PBS and their pro-D bias becomes very tiresome after a while. I know if I watched FOX all the time I'd be equally unhappy at their political bias. Fortunately I also read multiple newspapers (NYT, WSJ) and follow internet news from GOOGLE, APPLE, DRUDGE, ZEROHEDGE, GUARDIAN, etc. and so I see multiple sources and viewpoints on all the news. I try to make up my own mind on every issue and IMHO sometimes the Ds have it right and sometime the Rs have it right. IMHO the only way to not become trapped in partisanship is to make sure you see news from multiple sources and viewpoints and then coming to a decision based on your own opinions rather then always mindlessly parroting the D party line as asg/mos/ennui does or on every occasion standing up for the R party line as COG does.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby evilgenius » Mon 25 Nov 2019, 11:36:44

And where is peak oil in all this? It is what Trump worked against when he withheld the aid to Ukraine. Essentially, he's dismissed it as a fiction. I think the fracking extension has changed a lot of opinions as to whether peak oil ought to enter into policy. Prior to the new conviction that it shouldn't, the US was prosecuting a certain plan. It was based upon a lot of expert's opinions regarding how best to play things out as the oil situation got worse. The point I'm trying to make is that the US could get caught with its pants down, should peak oil actually turn out to be a valid concern. All the country needs, if it should, is to have made the anti-global decisions it looks to be in the process of making. In that case, it would get caught in the economic vice that Russia's marginal capacity to produce would engender at that time, because it failed to force them beforehand to commit to transparent markets.
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby asg70 » Mon 25 Nov 2019, 11:55:13

Oil supply seems to be the least of our concerns at present.

During this lull, however, we should still do everything in our power to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels (ala the Hirsch report). On that front, Trump has been an abysmal failure with his anti-environment policies (too numerous to list). We're lucky that the EV tax credit has lasted as long as it has. It definitely played into my decision to buy-in now rather than later.

Plantagenet wrote:Another day, another Hunter Biden scandal.


Another day, another attempt to deflect attention away from Trump.

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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Mon 25 Nov 2019, 12:58:09

Plantagenet wrote:
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Plantagenet wrote:the impeachment farce


Will you please, once and for all, just admit you're in the tank for Trump? This partisan spin is painfully obvious on your part.



You obviously aren’t sophisticated enough to understand that it is possible to not be a Trump supporter and at the same time deplore the very partisan impeachment process the Ds are involved in.

Yup. OTOH, both sides do it (re playing partisan games. For the D's, it's been 100% Trump bashing on overdrive at EVERY turn. Much of it well deserved, but some things, not so much. Which of course they cried about and shrieked "racist" if anyone dared so much as to state an objection to things like Obama breaking campaign promises, BTW).

It's the very nature of a highly divided partisan way things work now, (vs. say, the 60's and 70's where, while there were obvious differences, both sides could work together on big issues that needed handling, such as environmental issues).
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Re: Countdown To Impeachment Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Mon 25 Nov 2019, 15:15:34

evilgenius wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that the US could get caught with its pants down, should peak oil actually turn out to be a valid concern. All the country needs, if it should, is to have made the anti-global decisions it looks to be in the process of making. In that case, it would get caught in the economic vice that Russia's marginal capacity to produce would engender at that time, because it failed to force them beforehand to commit to transparent markets.


Here is where we differ. I think our civilization in general is setting itself up for the big pants down moment when peak physical oil supply takes place.

That being said however the phenomenon is going to be a global effect, not regional. Globalization is not going to help a single iota in a situation where the entire world desires to consume more oil than that which is available.

IMO actually regionalism will have significant advantages over globalism. The USA currently has abundant fossil resources that are not petroleum i.e. Natural Gas and Coal as well as large unexploited peat sources. While it is not a non-issue to convert one fossil fuel into another form it is a familiar well known technology. Up until now every attempt at developing this technology on a large scale has been stymied by the fact that petroleum is still to this day abundant and relatively inexpensive as an energy source.

Post physical peak petroleum will no longer be abundant nor cheap, and throwing up chemical plants to convert plastic waste (TDP process) Natural Gas or Coal (Fischer-Tropisch process)or even biomass waste into liquid synthetic diesel and gasoline fuels can be done by any or every government suspending red tape to get the plants built as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Just for comparison a South Korean shipyard can build a VLCC 2MM/bbl supertanker in under 24 months using about twice as much steel as the Gerald Ford class super aircraft carrier which the USA needs 7-10 years from start of construction to entering service. This is a clear case of bureaucrat BS clogging up the system. During WW II the USA shipyards were able to turn out ships in 14-18 months that would today take 5-7 years and that was with much less automation and much more hand labor than is employed today.

Given the motivation and temporary removal of the red tape and things can be done far more quickly than doom mindsets would lead you to believe.
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