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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Jibberjabber » Mon 25 Aug 2008, 20:23:33

Fantastic vids. Just watched them all.

I asked my gran about the 70's last week to get an idea what the next year or two is going to be like. Guess i should have been asking about the 30's :shock: :shock:

And it sounds like we will need to come up with some really good superlitives, cos this one is going to be spectacular :( :( :(
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby MidwesternMom » Tue 26 Aug 2008, 18:04:38

Jibberjabber wrote:Fantastic vids. Just watched them all.

I asked my gran about the 70's last week to get an idea what the next year or two is going to be like. Guess i should have been asking about the 30's :shock: :shock:

And it sounds like we will need to come up with some really good superlitives, cos this one is going to be spectacular :( :( :(


Yeah I asked my grandma about the 70's and she said she didn't remember much because she was busy raising kids, but that she did think it is much worse now because at least back then she could dig in the couch cushins and use the change to go buy bread and milk, but now that change wouldn't be half as much needed to buy a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk.


Great link btw, it really helped me put things in perspective.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby NugBlazer » Wed 03 Sep 2008, 00:37:27

I've watched every single part and the whole series is amazing. Quite possibly THE best intro to this stuff that I've ever seen.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Quinny » Thu 04 Sep 2008, 09:03:07

Excellent course. The link should be compulsory!



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Jibberjabber wrote:Fantastic vids. Just watched them all.

I asked my gran about the 70's last week to get an idea what the next year or two is going to be like. Guess i should have been asking about the 30's :shock: :shock:

And it sounds like we will need to come up with some really good superlitives, cos this one is going to be spectacular :( :( :(


the 70's

FFS I thought we were still in them!!

Seriously though my Father-in-law (who basically thinks I'm bonkers) commented on Alastair Darling's "Worst crisis in 60 years" saying; 'but thats a stupid thing to say, my god we had rationing then, it was just after the war!'

My response of simply "Exactly"! left him bemused and muttering as he walked awy!
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby JustaGirl » Thu 04 Sep 2008, 11:22:19

Excellent. I've only watched video #6 so far, but that was a great explanation of inflation. So what happens to employees/employers during hyper inflation? Do they start paying more? Or do wages stay the same and you are SOL? If the dollar crashes, do people stop going to work?
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 16:58:54

I watched it all. This is all so surreal. I don't remember being born. I feel as if I have always been alive, though I know that is not the case. The reality is my life is nothing more than a snap shot when aligned with history. I was born in 66, shortly after Nixon did away with the gold standard, and up went the exponential growth(=national debt). Life was suppose to just keep on going as it always has. But this life I now live is one nobody before me, or after me will get to live. And that is not open for debate. My 14 year old son watched it with me. When I asked him what he thought he said, "you are in so much trouble." I corrected him to include himself in the equation. The only logical response to this is to get drunk.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Quinny » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 17:12:45

yeth i agreee
Buggy wrote:I watched it all. This is all so surreal. I don't remember being born. I feel as if I have always been alive, though I know that is not the case. The reality is my life is nothing more than a snap shot when aligned with history. I was born in 66, shortly after Nixon did away with the gold standard, and up went the exponential growth(=national debt). Life was suppose to just keep on going as it always has. But this life I now live is one nobody before me, or after me will get to live. And that is not open for debate. My 14 year old son watched it with me. When I asked him what he thought he said, "you are in so much trouble." I corrected him to include himself in the equation. The only logical response to this is to get drunk.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Buggy » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 17:29:44

Quinny wrote:yeth i agreee
Buggy wrote:I watched it all. This is all so surreal. I don't remember being born. I feel as if I have always been alive, though I know that is not the case. The reality is my life is nothing more than a snap shot when aligned with history. I was born in 66, shortly after Nixon did away with the gold standard, and up went the exponential growth(=national debt). Life was suppose to just keep on going as it always has. But this life I now live is one nobody before me, or after me will get to live. And that is not open for debate. My 14 year old son watched it with me. When I asked him what he thought he said, "you are in so much trouble." I corrected him to include himself in the equation. The only logical response to this is to get drunk.


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Re: the crash course

Unread postby StuckInPhilly » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 20:44:43

I watched chapter 17 (so far) and it was a very good video.

I wasn't expecting it to be, I kind of thought it might be another one of those "this is peak oil basics" but was pleasantly surprised.

I was semi-conscious in the 70's and think it was much worse then. We had price freezes, shortages and stagflation when we didn't even know that stagflation was possible.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby BigTex » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 08:29:40

Globalization is the only thing that is preventing a repeat of the 1970s right now. The economic tailwind of exploiting poor countries has helped take the sting out of high energy prices to some extent.

But globalization is a one-time expansion, and unfortunately it is also going to badly aggravate the peak oil problem over the next 5-10 years as Chindia start their strip shopping center buildout.

It will, however, be an incredibly interesting time to be alive.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 09 Sep 2008, 07:44:53

Fantastic series, this one really joins the dots. It covers a lot of ground. Is in depth without excessive complexity.

A great starter to start your own investigation of many things from fractional reserve banking to energy depletion.

Really really good stuff.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 00:37:02

New chapter is up!

Check it out.

Good stuff.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby VMarcHart » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 08:34:40

BigTex wrote:New chapter is up!

Check it out.

[s]Good stuff[/s].
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 10:42:50

The fellow who put this presentation together--Chris Martenson--has really done a tremendous public service.

He puts all the pieces together in an amazingly concise and understandable manner.

He said that he had put something like 125 hours of work into the latest chapter alone. It shows.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby catbox » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 11:24:21

BigTex wrote:The fellow who put this presentation together--Chris Martenson--has really done a tremendous public service.

He puts all the pieces together in an amazingly concise and understandable manner.

He said that he had put something like 125 hours of work into the latest chapter alone. It shows.


So true! I'm sending the link on to others.

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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Iaato » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 13:20:12

So who is Chris Martenson? His Chapter 18 does a great job of linking the environment, energy, and the economy (the three Es). He perfectly frames the ideas that Odum put together in Environment, Power, and Society in 1971. But he summarizes the whole thing in 16 minutes, which is an amazing feat.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 13:23:32

He's a professor somewhere who took an interest in this topic.

That's all I know.

He reminds me of Heinberg a little.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby Iaato » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 13:51:06

Thanks, Tex. Gotta' love that Google. Here he is, another Peak Oil dropout. Sound familiar?

"Before: I am a 40-year-old professional who has worked his way up to Vice President of a large, international Fortune 300 company and is living in a waterfront, 5 bathroom house in Mystic, CT, which is mostly paid off. My three young children are either in or about to enter public school, and my portfolio of investments is being managed by a broker at a large institution. I do not really know any of my neighbors, and many of my local connections are superficial at best.

After: I am a 45-year-old who has willingly terminated his former high-paying, high-status position because it seemed like an unnecessary diversion from the real tasks at hand. My children are now homeschooled, and the big house in Mystic was sold in July of 2003 in preference for a 1.5 bathroom rental in rural western Massachusetts. In 2002, I discovered that my broker was unable to navigate a bear market and I’ve been managing our investments ever since. Since that time my portfolio has gained 166%, which works out to a compounded yearly gain of 27.8% for five years running (whereas my broker, by keeping me in the usual assortment of stocks, would have scored me a 38% return, or 8.39%/yr). I grow a garden every year; preserve food; and know how to brew beer & wine, raise chickens, and slaughter sheep. I’ve carefully examined each support system (food, energy, security, etc) and for each of them I've figured out either a means of being more self-sufficient or how to do without. But, most importantly, I now know that the most important descriptor of wealth is not my dollar holdings, but the depth and richness of my local community."


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Re: the crash course

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 13 Sep 2008, 15:24:06

I wonder if he is a member here. I'm sure he reads the site.

If you read this Chris, you da man.
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Re: the crash course

Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 03:24:17

There is a high degree of probability that I will in fact, indeed, verifiably and unequivocally pee my pants when the next chapter comes out.

The stuff he puts out is doomer porn AMBROSIA. It makes me curse like a well digger. Other parts of me itch for no reason. I think I lost consciousness for a while on #18. I've gutted my living room, nothing left but an alter, some candles, a couple of flowing curtains, the walls and ceiling are covered with newspaper clippings, chicken parts are littered about, I think there might be something wrong with me, but I can't be sure.

If I had the means I would offer a large reward to anyone who could offer undeniable, empirical, and duplicatable evidence to refute his offered theories and projections. I do not believe it can be done without resorting to new math. The video series does not just hit the nail on the head, he SLAMS it home. For now I'll offer a 20 pound sack of rice, and I'll pay the postage-overnight, to anyone who can meet the above criteria. This reward offer is valid unless and until the guy changes his work according to his own disclaimer. Still, he is holding back. Human population dieoff is a subject which needs to be addressed. If he can present that problem in as clear a manner as the 3 Es, he should be nominated for the Nobel in literature (tweak the rules). This is work on a grand scale.
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