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Unread postby ennui2 » Sun 24 Jan 2016, 11:58:33

Now I can see where Planty's blame-Obama tic comes from.

Beat your wife? Blame Obama!

http://the-daily.buzz/sarah-palin-white-house/

This is your girl, Planty. Embrace her with open arms. Own up to her.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Sun 24 Jan 2016, 16:09:13

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Those idiots who insist upon political partisanship will always blame the POTUS if he's of the opposite party, and the other side's partisan idiots will always think the POTUS walks on water.

It's inevitable really. In old Europe, after a famine began, they picked some poor sap and sacrificed him (i.e. The Wicker Man). If the crops did not come back the very next growing season, they next sacrificed their King. After all, he was in charge when the problem occurred.

American politics works the same way, except instead of burning the former POTUS inside a straw figure, we relegate them to the lecture circuit, and pay them to tell us what they did wrong for years after they were in office.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 28 Apr 2016, 16:28:19

The NYTimes just interviewed Obama, and Obama unloaded about how unfair it is that everyone isn't applauding the wonderful economic condition of the USA under his wise leadership.

president-obama-weighs-his-economic-legacy.

Obama claims that he has created the strongest economic recovery is history, and the only reason that everyone in the US isn't cheering the current recovery is that the evil Rs have brainwashed Americans into thinking the economy is worse then it is. Even the NYTimes couldnt accept that pack of lies. The NYT pointed out that Hillary (D) and Bernie(D) and millions of their D supporters are also criticizing the state of the economy so it isn't just the evil Rs out to get Obama.

The NY Times also brought up the fact that the growth in the last quarter was just 0.5%, continuing a pattern of very weak GDP growth under Obama. Curiously the NYT blamed the weak growth in the USA economy partly on Obamacare, suggesting that it is slowing economic growth and discouraging some people from getting jobs.

Its strange to see a pro-D newspaper like the NYT (1) basically say that Obama must be stoned to think the US economy is in great shape and (2) partly blame Obamacare for the weak economy in the US.

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That was then---this is now. Now even the NYTimes is blaming Obama for the poor economy in the US.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby ennui2 » Thu 28 Apr 2016, 20:02:44

The economy in the US isn't poor.

Better luck next time.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 28 Apr 2016, 23:14:20

ennui2 wrote:The economy in the US isn't poor


OK, I know thats your opinion.

On the other hand, the NYTImes says its poor, and Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Donald J. Trump are all running on a promise to fix the broken US economy. Polling shows that most voters also feel the US is on the wrong track and the economy needs to be fixed.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 01:06:49

If I might chime in, the last few months is the first time since the AUD$ floated, 1984, where job opportunities in the USA are seriously attractive. When cost of living & particularly access to a variety of reasonable job markets nearby very attractive opportunities for land ownership- I believe the US is unrivalled.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 07:15:27

Fixing blame is a mostly pointless exercise unless there is something you can do about the person being blamed. So far as I can tell none of us are in positions where we could convince President Obama to resign, nor get Congress to impeach, so saying he is to blame for everything is just a shorthand way of saying you don't like the way things are going.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 07:28:51

T - I'll go even further and say now one individual POTUS or political party can be blamed (or given credit for the good times) for the economy to any significant degree. The system is too large and complex to be manipulated SIGNFICANTLY by such relatively small actors. Of course good/bad policies could be injected around the edges but nothing that can readily change the trajectory. What ever President Obama tries to take credit for one cannot escape the fact that he took office during one of the cyclic economic downturns we periodically go through. How much credit he gets for any improvement can be debated. But the economy was going to slip back into some level of growth mode regardless of what he did or didn't do. Sme dynasic in place for the next POTUS regardless of which candidate it might be.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 08:32:20

Spot on Rock. It's the system, which is mostly made up of us, we the people.

I do blame Obamah for trying so hard to be part of that system. He had an opportunity to speak out on climate change and over population and did not. What he could have done was striven to educate and start a more reasoned discourse. That was the scope of what was in his power.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 08:45:18

Newfie - But that brings me back to my point: any POTUS can say anything he wants. But would it change the dynamics significantly? People pretty much do what they think is in their best interests and it seldom matters to them what opinions others have.

Consider the one seemingly tiny things the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 10:35:05

ROCKMAN wrote:
Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.


It would be even easier to raise the gas tax now that gas prices are low---people wouldn't even notice. But that would require some leadership on this issue from the President, which isn't going to happen.

Things like raising taxes don't happen spontaneously. Getting a law like passed in a time of divided government (which we almost always have in the US) requires back-room discussions and bi-partisan planning and negotiations and leadership to make it happen. Which we don't have high now.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Lore » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 10:55:26

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ROCKMAN wrote:
Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.


It would be even easier to raise the gas tax now that gas prices are low---people wouldn't even notice. But that would require some leadership on this issue from the President, which isn't going to happen.

Things like raising taxes don't happen spontaneously. Getting a law like passed in a time of divided government (which we almost always have in the US) requires back-room discussions and bi-partisan planning and negotiations and leadership to make it happen. Which we don't have high now.


You just have a Congress that would never go for that, or the right in general.

By his own logic, he just imposed a 25 cent gas tax.

The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. So, if Obama’s logic holds, he just increased the federal gas tax to 43.4 cents per gallon, a 136 percent increase.

But that’s only the federal gas tax, when state gas taxes are included with Obama’s oil tax, Americans are saddled with a 70 cent tax on every gallon of gas. When state and federal gas taxes are taken together, Obama’s oil tax would be a 56 percent increase.

“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”

Obama wants to tax oil production to pay for green transportation programs, which he is spinning as a second stimulus program. The White House says its plan would increase spending on green transportation by $20 billion, and it would spend $2 billion on green vehicle and aircraft research and $400 million to make sure this green fleet is safely integrated into America’s transportation system.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/05/obama ... z47EQhIQP4
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:17:28

Lore wrote:

“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”


Exactly. That supports my point.

There is no leadership from the President on the gas tax issue, so it ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:29:12

Rock,
I was t even looking for him to DO something like legislation , just talk intelligently. Not "all the above" baloney.

He's a looser.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Lore » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 11:57:30

Plantagenet wrote:
Lore wrote:

“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.”


Exactly. That supports my point.

There is no leadership from the President on the gas tax issue, so it ain't gonna happen.


That was then when prices were high, but the right-wing article cherry picks the quote out of time and context and by your own suggestion, prices are now down, now is the appropriate time. In which the President has proposed an increase in the gas tax. Isn't it also time for the Congress to take up that proposal?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:22:02

Newfie wrote:He's a looser.


He is pretty loose. No drama, Obama. 8)
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 13:36:59

Lore wrote: the right-wing article cherry picks the quote


For heaven's sake. That was in YOUR post that YOU picked out. Don't you even remember that you picked out this article and put it in your post?---if you thought it was a "right-wing" article then why the heck did you read it and then use it in your own post in the first place?

When it comes to Obama's lack of leadership on increasing the gas tax, its irrational to disregard what obama said about increasing the gas tax, especially since the quote is accurate. Obama has never supported higher gas taxes, even though they are badly needed for infrastructure maintenance.

Lore wrote:the President has proposed an increase in the gas tax…..


No he hasn't. You can lie all you want, but Obama has not proposed a gas tax increase as you claim. Figure it out once again---the President has never backed new taxes on gasoline. Thats the problem---there is no leadership from the President on getting the gas tax raised. Even in his last budget---his last chance to affect policy---Obama doesn't ask for higher gasoline taxes. Its just not on his agenda.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 14:09:37

Plantagenet wrote:
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Consider the one seemingly tiny thing the two parties could have gotten behind after the 1970's price spike: consider raising fed motor fuel taxes just 1%/yr. And not 1% in absolute terms but just 1% of the existing fed tax. So after 35 years the fed tax would be around $0.25/gallon instead of $0.184/gallon. Still ridiculously small and would have little impact on consumption IMHO. And yet they couldn't even do that. And now listen so some of those grandiose idea about the govt doing this or that which would have a significant impact on our energy dynamics. No damn way any of those ideas would be implemented voluntarily.


It would be even easier to raise the gas tax now that gas prices are low---people wouldn't even notice. But that would require some leadership on this issue from the President, which isn't going to happen.

Things like raising taxes don't happen spontaneously. Getting a law like passed in a time of divided government (which we almost always have in the US) requires back-room discussions and bi-partisan planning and negotiations and leadership to make it happen. Which we don't have high now.


That would have been a perfect idea in the First Hundred Days of 2009. Right then oil prices were rock bottom, and infrastructure needs were almost as bad then as they are today seven years later. If President Obama had suggested in his first Inaugural Address that the key to getting the economy moving again was a complete rebuilding of infrastructure and then called for a "temporary" fuel tax to pay for it congress in 2009 would have passed it like a lightning bolt.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby ennui2 » Fri 29 Apr 2016, 17:10:17

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ennui2 wrote:The economy in the US isn't poor


OK, I know thats your opinion.

On the other hand, the NYTImes says its poor, and Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Donald J. Trump are all running on a promise to fix the broken US economy. Polling shows that most voters also feel the US is on the wrong track and the economy needs to be fixed.

Cheers!


It's a LOT better than it was when Obama took office and it's better than most places on the globe. Is it perfect? No. But if we're going to judge Obama's presidency on the basis of whether the economy is better with him leaving office than when he started, then people should be thanking him and not whining that things could be better.

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You just have a Congress that would never go for that, or the right in general.


Yep, and that's also why other objectives Obama had for his presidency (like closing Guantanamo) haven't been met. Obstructionism from the right.


the economy was going to slip back into some level of growth mode regardless of what he did or didn't do.


What revisionist history!

The general sentiment over here in the fall of 2008 was that the crash was 'the big one'. PERMARECESSION was the new buzzword. There would be NO recovery and we'd have hyperinflation like Argentina in no time because of the "reckless" monetary policy on the part of "helicopter" Ben Bernanke.

Well, guess what? People may still complain about the tools used to prevent doomsday, but so far, it's worked. Monte came in here, what was it, 6-9 months ago, to warn us that again of the debt-bomb, and despite a fairly significant stock market correction around New Years and weakness around the globe, the US is still standing. Kind of the last refuge of money.

You can argue that the fixes employed aren't sustainable long-term, but they were probably the best of a series of bad options available. Obama went on 60 minutes right around the time of his inauguration to explain how he boned up on the Great Depression and was going to make sure that we didn't repeat any key mistakes used during Hoover's time. And I think they did pretty well walking that tightrope. That is all Obama.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sat 30 Apr 2016, 16:45:49

ennui2 wrote: if we're going to judge Obama's presidency on the basis of whether the economy is better with him leaving office than when he started, then people should be thanking him and not whining that things could be better.


Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders all say the last eight years have been a disaster for US workers.

You do a very good job cheer-leading for Obama, but its hard to ignore the actual economic data that shows that the poverty rate is at near record highs and most people who still have jobs are worse off now then they were 8-16 years ago.

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