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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 21 Nov 2018, 13:27:23

Plantagenet wrote:Obama did a Q & A at the Obama Foundation today, and blamed climate change on racist white Americans.

Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something? Or are you making stuff up for political gain? Again?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby dissident » Wed 21 Nov 2018, 14:46:23

Ibon wrote:Yeah, many of us hate Trump but I can guarantee you that 2 years after he leaves office nobody will be talking about him anymore. In stark contrast to how two years after Obama and Clinton the racists and misogynists on board here just can't let them go..... Fools.


You're funny. Obama himself was taking credit for "doesn't exist" Trump's economic achievements:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/obama-f ... hievements

Why is Obama still campaigning? Trying to keep his name from receding into oblivion?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Ibon » Wed 21 Nov 2018, 18:06:26

dissident wrote:Why is Obama still campaigning? Trying to keep his name from receding into oblivion?


Frankly I don't know the answer to that. I don't follow Obama or the media surrounding his activities. I don't really care. Why do you?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 21 Nov 2018, 19:34:33

Ibon wrote:Yeah, many of us hate Trump but I can guarantee you that 2 years after he leaves office nobody will be talking about him anymore. In stark contrast to how two years after Obama and Clinton the racists and misogynists on board here just can't let them go..... Fools.


Before you embarrass yourself I seem to recall a lot of 'its all Bush's fault' coming from the Obama Administration fully backed by the MSM right through the 2014 midterm election cycle. He only really dropped that line when he was in his lame duck last two years.

Admittedly Bush Sr. was a footnote, but that had a lot more to do with the constant scandal parade that came out of the WJC Presidency along with events like the Branch Davidian standoff/fire and the various other blue dress related events. When your own Presidency is nothing but one accuser after another popping up to the point that you have a team working full time on 'bimbo eruptions' it does tend to eliminate thoughts about whatever the prior President might have done wrong while in office.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 21 Nov 2018, 19:43:47

Outcast_Searcher wrote:Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something?


Yes.

You missed what Obama actually said, so you made something else up to replace it.

Obama didn't say "racism is still a problem." Thats an innocuous statement that no one could disagree with. He said something rather different. TO read the exact quotes go back read the link in my post above.

Since I quoted him directly above, I'll just paraphrase here. Obama specifically tried to blame the failure of the US to take action against climate change on racist people and on people with "mommy issues." Thats pretty idiotic coming from a man who spent much of his youth working out his own "daddy issues" and when he became president personally derailed the UN treaty on climate change up for ratification at Copenhagen in 2010, and then worked to replace it with the Paris Accords in 2016, a worse-then-worthless treaty that actually calls for INCREASING CO2 emissions.

IMHO by those two very stupid actions Obama singlehandedly did more to destroy the earth's climate then any other single individual in the history of the earth.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Newfie » Fri 23 Nov 2018, 11:49:48

What I blame Obama for is that when in office he was a big advocate for the fuel industry and gave climate change short shift.

If he was true to those words quoted above he would have used the bully pulpit to educate the American public about the issues.

But he did virtually nothing. He is a disgrace, a very accomplished liar.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 25 Nov 2018, 16:24:05

Newfie - That's not true and you now it. He did much to expand the use of fossil fuels. Hardly "nothing". Do I have to post that long list I've posted dozens of times? Everyone here should know it by heart now...including you. LOL
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby dissident » Tue 27 Nov 2018, 00:31:02

pstarr wrote:Obama (via his state department operatives Killary, Nuland et al) installed an anti-russian right-fascist dictator into the Ukraine government.

All U.S. Gov’t. Accusations Against Russia’s Gov’t. Are Lies
Thus began Cold War Ver 2. All for the military industrial complex and arms sales :x :cry:


Obama was also an ignoramus who drank the propaganda koolaid and engaged in moronic trash talk about "Russia doesn't make anything" and actually expected the 2014 sanctions to bring it to its knees. Well, genius, Russia makes a lot and enough to import substitute itself into total economic security making your sanctions into an utter joke. But to be fair, it was the CIA giving him BS reports about what a banana republic economy Russia had. So he got partly conned by the talents at the CIA.

Anyway, round after round of sanctions and basically nothing to show for it. Meanwhile Ukraine is swirling the toilet bowl since the coup regime is too busy sticking it to Russia (i.e. has gone full retard and cut off export revenues without finding alternative markets) and is staging incidents in the Kerch Strait as a pretext to impose martial law. Think about that one. Why would Ukraine need martial law to deal with purely optional confrontations in the Kerch Strait? But martial law will come in handy suppressing demonstrations across the country about non-delivery of natural gas and heating in spite of full payment. The failed state called Ukraine will be one of Obama's main legacies.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby radon1 » Tue 27 Nov 2018, 02:17:02

Had lot of respect towards Obama before he began bombing. Then he became Obomba, or O.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 28 Nov 2018, 01:01:04

Plantagenet wrote:
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something?


Yes.

You missed what Obama actually said, so you made something else up to replace it.

Well, I just went back and read the piece. Again. And I'll just call BS on your claim that he said "racist white Americans" until you can actually show it, since I STILL didn't see it in the piece.

Given the kinds of political claims you tend to make, blame yourself if sometimes people are skeptical, especially when you decline to actually show the quote to support your claim.

For a guy with your track record, re politics though -- congrats on having the stones to accuse others of making stuff up. :roll:
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 28 Nov 2018, 06:22:09

Outcast_Searcher wrote:
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Outcast_Searcher wrote:Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something?


Yes.

You missed what Obama actually said, so you made something else up to replace it.

Well, I just went back and read the piece. Again. And I'll just call BS on your claim that he said "racist white Americans" until you can actually show it, since I STILL didn't see it in the piece.

Given the kinds of political claims you tend to make, blame yourself if sometimes people are skeptical, especially when you decline to actually show the quote to support your claim.

For a guy with your track record, re politics though -- congrats on having the stones to accuse others of making stuff up. :roll:


In an attempt to mediate this silly argument I went through the article word for word but I did not watch the video. In the text is the following statement
Barack Obama wrote:The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”


Now every honest person will admit that ex-President Obama made clear over the last decade and longer that in his opinion 'white people are racists' so when Plantagenet added the word 'white' to his statement that doesn't actually alter the meaning in any way from what the man said. I will point out that when the ex President uses the term 'we' in this context he could mean modern civilization i.e. the Global Civilization or he could mean 'Americans' so that portion is mildly speculative.

So IMO you are nitpicking to make a point which I reckon you have done. Plantagenet paraphrased the former President but he clearly did not alter the meaning behind the phrase he paraphrased. Saying
The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”
is a blanket condemnation of our civilization and the context makes it appear he is talking about America specifically as I don't believe I have ever heard him refer to Asian countries, African countries or South American countries as being 'shrouded with hate, anger, racism' while he absolutely said racist Americans clinging to 'God and guns' are islamaphobes and a long list of alternate terms that amount to the exact same message. That message being Americans=bad people.

So Plantagenet should have been more exact when claiming a quote rather than a paraphrase, but in this case at least no context was actually changed.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 02 Dec 2018, 02:52:00

Tanada wrote:
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
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Outcast_Searcher wrote:Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something?


Yes.

You missed what Obama actually said, so you made something else up to replace it.

Well, I just went back and read the piece. Again. And I'll just call BS on your claim that he said "racist white Americans" until you can actually show it, since I STILL didn't see it in the piece.

Given the kinds of political claims you tend to make, blame yourself if sometimes people are skeptical, especially when you decline to actually show the quote to support your claim.

For a guy with your track record, re politics though -- congrats on having the stones to accuse others of making stuff up. :roll:


In an attempt to mediate this silly argument I went through the article word for word but I did not watch the video. In the text is the following statement
Barack Obama wrote:The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”


Now every honest person will admit that ex-President Obama made clear over the last decade and longer that in his opinion 'white people are racists' so when Plantagenet added the word 'white' to his statement that doesn't actually alter the meaning in any way from what the man said. I will point out that when the ex President uses the term 'we' in this context he could mean modern civilization i.e. the Global Civilization or he could mean 'Americans' so that portion is mildly speculative.

So IMO you are nitpicking to make a point which I reckon you have done. Plantagenet paraphrased the former President but he clearly did not alter the meaning behind the phrase he paraphrased. Saying
The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”
is a blanket condemnation of our civilization and the context makes it appear he is talking about America specifically as I don't believe I have ever heard him refer to Asian countries, African countries or South American countries as being 'shrouded with hate, anger, racism' while he absolutely said racist Americans clinging to 'God and guns' are islamaphobes and a long list of alternate terms that amount to the exact same message. That message being Americans=bad people.

So Plantagenet should have been more exact when claiming a quote rather than a paraphrase, but in this case at least no context was actually changed.

If it's OK to change the text to whatever political point we want to make, what's the point in discussing the words used at all?

When I do a Google search on "Obama says white people are racist", all the hits I get for the first page are about Michelle Obama and Trump. (Aside from a Snopes piece that says the claims of Barack Obama being a Racist are false, since they take statements out of context).

So maybe, it's not quite as simple as you claim. I'll admit I could be wrong, but I think words matter -- and the game of changing quotes to bait people is a tactic Plant has been known to use.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Sun 02 Dec 2018, 06:19:48

According to the rules set forth by the purveyors of identity politics, it is impossible for blacks to be racist. Racism can only be from a position of power. The left has assured me this is an axiom that can not be questioned.

Therefore, Obama must have been talking about white people, even if he did not use the word.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 03 Dec 2018, 00:19:41

Tanada wrote: Plantagenet paraphrased the former President but he clearly did not alter the meaning behind the phrase he paraphrased.


Thank you.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 03 Dec 2018, 00:29:19

University researchers create an "AI" program with an image of Obama that can be made to say anything. The program moves the lips and face muscles in a fake Obama face and simulates Obama's voice so "he' can be made to say crazy and stupid things. And thats just when the program reads Obama's own speeches. Imagine what Obama would sound like if he was reading Trump's speeches!!!!!

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I fully expect to see this technology used as to pull "dirty tricks" in future elections. Imagine if the Ds create a "fake" video of Trump using the "n-word" or the Rs create a fake video of Elizabeth Warren admitting she is't really an Indian, and then they release the videos days before an election. The media would slobber all over the "fake news" until the election day was over. "Fake" videos of candidates saying awful things could turn elections all over the USA.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 12:36:00

Inagine what the world would be like if he actually did the things he promised to do in speeches already made?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 16:20:19

Plantagenet wrote:I fully expect to see this technology used as to pull "dirty tricks" in future elections. Imagine if the Ds create a "fake" video of Trump using the "n-word" or the Rs create a fake video of Elizabeth Warren admitting she is't really an Indian, and then they release the videos days before an election. The media would slobber all over the "fake news" until the election day was over. "Fake" videos of candidates saying awful things could turn elections all over the USA.
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Given the way police behave, how about manufactured evidence against a "perp" they shoot or club to death because they felt like it? And don't bother to tell me, far right wingers, that such things could never happen because the police are all goodness and light.

I'm NOT saying this would be common. I'm saying this could be another tactic the "bad guys" in power could use against virtually anyone, if the stakes were worth the risk of getting caught to them. Some advances in technology, IMO, are far scarier than others.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 17:44:16

Outcast_Searcher wrote: ...far right wingers...


If you are looking for "far right wingers" then you should go to another site. People here are mainly interested in peak oil and various other scenarios that might spell doom for the economy/environment of the earth.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby dissident » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 00:26:14

According to SJW extremists, anyone left of center who does not sing from their little red book choir sheet is a far right racist. They actually accused Kanye West of being an anti-black racist for engaging in independent thought and supporting Trump. Funny how Trump became a far right racist only after being elected in 2016.

It should be obvious by now to most people with a functional brain that SJW's are nut jobs and do not deserve the time of day. They are spreading hate and civil strife. I could care less about what delusion bubble they are in where they think that they are on the side of the angels. By any objective metric they are not on the side of truth, tolerance and human progress. They are a fanatical lynch mob pulling us back into the dark ages.
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