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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby kiwichick » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 20:41:22

sg

i could give you a link .... but i choose not to

as warren says " shut up and speculate"


excellent point shaved

imagine if someone with some sense had put a nonrenewable resource tax on australia's original gold resource
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 21:20:29

You are kidding right? You think that's ok on this forum?
Billions of tons of what?
This is why Australia is so stuffed, imaginary tektopias and billions of tons of mysterious energy appearing out of nowhere!
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 01:05:02

sea

no

just carbon
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 01:34:40

That's just bloody silly. Grow up. Where is this imaginary coal in central Australia?
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby kiwichick » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 05:42:55

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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 10:39:50

Anyone wanting to buy shares in central petroleum should do their homework and note:

Proven plays are miniscule, 98% conceptual prospects, based on aerial electromagnetic survey.

Big claims scant details.

One of the most politily entangled places in the world to do business, uncoventional plays means fracking/ a no go in central Aus as proven recently in the cancellation of Angela Pamela uranium prospect.

You really believe these guys have billions of barrels?
It's your money.

http://www.centralpetroleum.com.au/exploration.php
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Thu 29 Dec 2011, 18:04:07

Quite an uplifting and refreshing article in the Age gives you renewed faith in the youth of today and our ability to cope with the downturn.
Kind of makes you wish it hurrys up.

"Make Do and Mend" became the catchcry of a generation that kept calm and carried on through the darkest days of World War II.

The slogan was adopted by the British Ministry of Information as part of a general campaign of advice on everything from growing vegetables, disguising leftovers and making new clothes from old. Woollen jumpers were unpicked and reknitted, government-issue blankets upcycled into skirts and jackets and municipal flower beds given over to cabbages and carrots.

Today, as the world confronts fresh environmental and economic hardships, the lessons of that time are being heeded with a growing sense of urgency. Blogs offering tips on how to "Cook Like Grandma", books with titles such as Cold Meat and How to Disguise It and online discussions about keeping chooks, preserving vegetables, stocking a larder and baking bread point to a hankering for the past that goes beyond pure nostalgia.


Melbourne sociologist and writer Ruth Quibell lives with her husband and two young children in a rented house devoid of microwave, television or car. An elderly neighbour once told her: "You live like you're in 1940s England!"


Quibell says that while the family's lifestyle "might look like deprivation to outsiders", it arises from a carefully considered choice that is "primarily about a relationship to time".


"We earn less to have more time with our children, more choice over work and more time to be creative and independent. As a result, we largely only buy what we need and can afford. We work, sew, write, cook, walk ... our home is a hodge-podge of old and hand-me-down things."


Other evidence of this back-to-basics boom is all around: retro-hip magazines such as Frankie and Peppermint offer cute stick-on labels with their homemade jam recipes, step-by-step embroidery guides for revamping old jumpers and fashion spreads featuring clothes made from disused film reels and recycled newspapers. Charities target hip young shoppers through specialist recycle boutiques in inner-city suburbs and farmers' markets draw ever-growing crowds of people prepared to pay more for locally grown food. Gleaners, meanwhile, opt to pay nothing at all by raiding supermarket bins or "feral fruit trees" whose branches overhang laneways and other public spaces. Anecdotally, there are tales of young Melburnians making their own dripping from reused fat or saving tomato seeds for next year's backyard crop.


A 2003 study by the Australia Institute's Clive Hamilton and Elizabeth Mail found that 23 per cent of Australians aged 30-59 had downshifted in the previous 10years. The study defined downshifters as "those people who make a voluntary, long-term lifestyle change that involves accepting significantly less income and consuming less".


Quibell says "downshifters" are among "a plethora of individuals" adopting a simpler life – "frugals, downshifters, those who practise backyard self-sufficiency, dumpster divers, home schoolers, crafters, artisans, bohemians, environmentalists. The list could go on."

"In the '70s, women were told 'don't cook, don't make clothes for your family, go out to get a job'. There's a generation of women whose mothers went back to work ... It was the rise of consumerism, you had more money, so you bought clothes, you didn't make them ... [their children] missed out on learning to do things with their hands, getting their hands dirty."


For Quibell, the return to basics satisfies "a hankering for the past, when life was slower, simpler, things lasted and were better made".


At the dawn of what may well come to be regarded as the new age of austerity, there is also, she says, "the sneaking suspicion that progress isn't all that it was cracked up to be".


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/money/saving/t ... z1hxmKcnDx
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Loki » Thu 29 Dec 2011, 19:06:18

Quibell says "downshifters" are among "a plethora of individuals" adopting a simpler life – "frugals, downshifters, those who practise backyard self-sufficiency, dumpster divers, home schoolers, crafters, artisans, bohemians, environmentalists. The list could go on."

"Downshifter." I like that.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Fri 17 Feb 2012, 01:09:56

Interesting Article in the local papers a few weeks back (sorry only just found it by accident)
Interesting
...former deputy PM Tim Fischer has floated the radical idea of selling visas for $1 million each to rich foreigners and using the money to build a high-speed train.
The special permanent quota residence visas would be "aimed squarely at the nervous, rich middle class of parts of Asia, Europe and the Middle East who want bolt holes", he said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-n ... 6260098247

This sounds like the former Deputy PM may be sensing Zombies are coming and the by the sounds of it so do the nervous rich.......
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby ralfy » Fri 17 Feb 2012, 03:21:13

kiwichick wrote:re other websites

http://populationmatters.org


Not just population but consumption per capita, e.g., the U.S. with less than 5 pct of the world's population but consuming up to a quarter of world oil production.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Anvil » Fri 17 Feb 2012, 05:56:47

I speak as a Australian.
Public debt its 110% or is that 110% per-person.
The Back Stabbing socialist witch named Shillard is intent on destroying the Australian economy. By increasing regulations, spending, taxes and big government involvement in the economy. The public sector was the only sector significantly increased its work force during last year. Labours work place laws have decreased productivity by 4 or more percent because employers are unable to sack unproductive workers which has decreased unemployment. On top of this Shillard and many of her fellow labour party members have voiced an interest in reforming our political system to be more in line with the corruption in USA system. The labour gov is trying to make us look more like a brit stuff up on immigration as well over running Aus with it out of control immigration policy 400000 mostly low skill gold diggers. Up from 200000 per year during the Howard years tightening the already squeezed job market.

If there was not a mining boom in Australia we as a nation would be screwed.

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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sat 18 Feb 2012, 07:54:48

socialist ......lol
she is hard right never voted left in her whole political career.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby ralfy » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 02:50:51

Not just public debt but also household debt (at least in 2010):

"Australia Has Highest Household Debt to Disposable Income Ratio in World"

http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/austra ... 010/02/03/
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 03:36:57

Most of which is due to mortgage primer grants introduced by the Howard Liberal (right wing in Oz) government and phased out by Labour. Really both parties have been running the country for the internationalists since Malcom Fraser. Most Americans would be unaware that until recently first home buyers qualified for up to $35,000 in grants from combined State and Federal bodies. The result of this has been a massive run up in housing costs. Meanwhile 400,000 new Ozzies made sure the price didn't utterly collapse last year.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sun 19 Feb 2012, 19:01:53

It looks like Kevin 24/7 is coming back after this:
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/ ... 427070.htm

and this funny video of him swearing like a trooper (whilst trying to get a Cantonese language speech right), released to discredit, has done exactly the opposite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVEaHcyMesQ
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Tue 01 May 2012, 17:38:10

COMPLAINTS about the rising cost of living appear to have little basis in fact, a new study reveals.

It shows that incomes have more than kept up with prices, and in 2009-10 the average family was $224 a week better off than in 2003-04.

''I don't want to say everyone is doing wonderfully well,'' said Ben Phillips, the study's author. ''But there's been this 'rising cost of living' story over the last decade when, really, Australian households are doing better than ever.''

The study, by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling at the University of Canberra and AMP, says it is ''bigger lifestyles'' rather than higher costs that are exerting pressures on many households.

''If there are pressures they are coming from keeping up with the Joneses and our higher expectations,'' Mr Phillips said. ''We're spending bigger, and on a wider range of goods and services, such as private schools, and we're spending more on discretionary or luxury items, like restaurants.''

Working couples with children are $328 a week better off in real terms than in 2003, and single parents are better off - but only by $59 a week. The highest quintile of income earners are $576 a week better off.

Petrol has increased by 208 per cent since 1984 but is still cheaper than in every country except the US, Canada and Mexico.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/batte ... z1teiYb6iO

Seems like BAU at the moment, god bless China
Its going to be a long way down for some....eventually.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby kiwichick » Sat 31 Aug 2013, 20:48:45

good point Shaved

but it still gets back to how many people can we sustain

at the current rate Australia's population will double in less than 70 years
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Perfector » Tue 18 Mar 2014, 08:46:53

at the current rate Australia's population will double in less than 70 years

Growth rate in 2013 was 1.8%. At this rate the population will double in 40 years.
Holy hell. I have brought this up, casually, in conversation a few times with people I know. I've mostly given up, nobody seems to care.

Most economists approve wholeheartedly of this scale of growth. When we were a smaller, poorer nation we could get away with it. Now we are much larger and much wealthier, it will be vastly more expensive to provide for this new population, and take far more resources. Do economist's equations take account of these diminishing returns on population growth? Or do their equations just assume natural resources are infinite and more population = more workers = more wealth for everyone.
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:30:08

How likely is it that the younger generation of Australians will start emigrating out to other countries due to the persistant drought conditions?
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Re: Australian Population/immigration/Consumption

Unread postby Perfector » Tue 18 Mar 2014, 16:14:52

How likely is it that the younger generation of Australians will start emigrating out to other countries due to the persistant drought conditions?

Not likely. As bad as things may get here, things will be worse overseas.

Look at media here in Australia. Almost all of them just blindly cheer on population growth. None of them give a thought to how the growth will end. Perhaps none of them believe it will. But it must and will end. This is what bought me to the issue of peak oil. I realized our government here in Australia has no population policy except "more" and no target except "infinity". So I set about trying to work out what will end the growth.

Peak oil is the likeliest culprit. Probably in the latter half of this century, at maybe 60-80 million people. Because without cheap energy, the amount of people our continent can support is severely limited.
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