dsula wrote:ian807 wrote:dsula wrote:Sixstrings wrote:Did it ever occur to you that some people got rich because they deliverd a product people wanted and are willing to pay for. And did it ever occur to you that some people wasted their life with poor choices and laziness and simply can't afford to retire?
Did it ever occur to you that some people got rich because they chose their parents wisely, and as a result, were well connected, and had no other talent than the manipulation of inherited capital to make more capital? And did it ever occur to you that some people were given a life where they were born poor, sick, without family or social support for education, or without opportunities for connection to the society of the wealthy, or that the only choices they had were poor ones, and simply can't afford to retire?
What do you figure? Just shoot those people after age 65?
No shiit, yes it occured to me that some people got lucky and inherited a fortune. Good for them, but such is the world. I'm born ugly and have no chance of becoming a hollywood star. Does that mean that the ones that made it have to pay me because I'm not blessed by nature?
The vast majority of millionaires gained their fortune by starting businesses and offering services and products that the rest of the population was willing to pay for. Hats off to them and they deserve every dollar they made. I went to university and lived thru the rise of the internet. I had EVERY chance to start amazon, ebay, facebook, google etc. But I didn't. I CHOSE to go to bars and have a good time with my buddies. So, I suck it up and doen't expect any of those companies to pay me squat because I didn't make it.
And I never advocated to shoot people after 65, but GOD-FORBID, such is life, if you can't afford to retire, you have to work. I'm sick and tired of this simple minded blaming the rich and corporation for everything and all.
hiper42 wrote:Look what is happening in Syria where you have the people of Syria
taking to the streets to demand an increased share/stake in their society.
They are facing tanks, heavy artillery and airstrikes.
What they are facing is the states protection (by use of military force) of the grossly uneven distribution of wealth and privileges.
It is that simple.
Capitalism ....
hiper42 wrote:Capitalism is based on the exploitative extraction of surplus value from workers.
The workers "earned every dollar"... but were paid a fraction.
SOCIALIST one-party states often have grossly uneven distribution of wealth and privileges---just look at North Korea.
mattduke wrote:Nothing like expending your life working all day from morning to night to provide for your family, only to check peakoil.com and find self-righteous people who claim your paycheck belongs to them.
So's your mother.mattduke wrote:pstarr wrote:Generations of Americans retired and died graciously on SS, and they were not all scammers like you want us to believe.mattduke wrote:As with all Ponzi schemes, the first in make out like bandits. Ida Fuller payed $24 into SS and extracted $22,000. Those who come later make all the payments and get no payout. SS is not invested in government debt, it was spent. Writing an IOU to yourself for a trillion dollars does not mean you own anything.
Libertarians like you just want to defund the government, except for the fun-gun part. Call me a commie or a sissy, but I'd rather take the troops home and take care for old people.
It was wrong for Ida Fuller to steal $22,000 from other people. She was a thief.
PrestonSturges wrote: Ooops, you cracked a tooth? Well, it sucks to be you, because in 6 months you'll be dead.
dsula wrote:If you have an idea, you get a loan, and you invest your savings to buy equipment. You work day and night to achieve your goal......and you fail. You lost it all. Your retirement money is gone. The money of your relatives you borrowed..gone. The additional mortgage you had to take on your home, still there.
Where are the workers now? Are they there to help you out? Do they pool their money and give you your lost investemnt back? Do they sell their cars and TV to pay your relatives? I don't think so and that's why workers are paid a fraction of what they create. And most of them don't even create what they're paid.
But you won't understand, hiper42. You're clearly a worker bee. The biggest risk you ever took was trying that newly flavored coffee at starbucks.
hiper42 wrote:dsula wrote:If you have an idea, you get a loan, and you invest your savings to buy equipment. You work day and night to achieve your goal......and you fail. You lost it all. Your retirement money is gone. The money of your relatives you borrowed..gone. The additional mortgage you had to take on your home, still there.
Where are the workers now? Are they there to help you out? Do they pool their money and give you your lost investemnt back? Do they sell their cars and TV to pay your relatives? I don't think so and that's why workers are paid a fraction of what they create. And most of them don't even create what they're paid.
But you won't understand, hiper42. You're clearly a worker bee. The biggest risk you ever took was trying that newly flavored coffee at starbucks.
Taking into account your university degree it is no wonder you excel at following the flock.
You are trying to defend a system of oil-drenched feudalism which is crawling
to the exit and trashing nature in the meantime.
Plantagenet wrote:The need for dental coverage is just another reason why the dems should've gone for single payer healthcare, instead of inflicting the crazy hodgepodge of Obamacare on the USA. It would be a lot easier to add dental coverage if we had single payer instead of Obamacare.
dsula wrote:hiper42 wrote:Capitalism is based on the exploitative extraction of surplus value from workers.
The workers "earned every dollar"... but were paid a fraction.
If you have an idea, you get a loan, and you invest your savings to buy equipment. You work day and night to achieve your goal......and you fail. You lost it all. Your retirement money is gone. The money of your relatives you borrowed..gone. The additional mortgage you had to take on your home, still there.
Where are the workers now? Are they there to help you out? Do they pool their money and give you your lost investemnt back? Do they sell their cars and TV to pay your relatives? I don't think so and that's why workers are paid a fraction of what they create. And most of them don't even create what they're paid.
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