Wouldn't want you to have to do any rethinking or learn a new "one true version" of history.ennui2 wrote: There's nothing new to offer and nobody's changing anyone's minds on that issue. So Keith and company, if you want to just piss into the wind, go right ahead. It won't accomplish anything.
Thomas Massie, a Republican congressman from Kentucky, said of reading the chapter: “I had to stop every couple of pages ... to rearrange my understanding of history. It challenges you to rethink everything.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 7384448282
US President Barack Obama is facing fresh challenges to reveal some 28 redacted pages of a top Senate report of 9/11, reports the daily Telegraph.
It is alleged that the report, issued after the 9/11 showed Saudi Arabia was the principal financier of the attack.
Former senator of Florida Bob Graham who chaired the Senate Intelligence committee said Saudi was the principle financier of the attack.
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The daily telegraph reports that the pages specifying Saudi involvement were removed and confiscated after orders were issued from George W. Bush, the then President of the US.
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“Information revealed over the years does raise questions about Saudi Arabia’s support, or whether their support might have been supportive to these Al Qaeda terrorists,” Paul said at the press conference in Washington this week.
“We cannot let page after page of blanked-out documents be obscured behind a veil, leading these families to wonder if there is additional information surrounding these horrible acts,” he added.
It is alleged that 15 of the 19 attackers were from Saudi; however this issue always remained in hibernation during the investigations following the attack, as no link could be established between the country and the attack.
It is also debated that both Obama and Bush, in their presidential terms has covered up the Saudi involvement to preserve the sweetness of US-Saudi diplomatic relations.
http://www.thedailystar.net/world/obama ... port-93976
Democrats also spoke on behalf of the bill. Representative Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts said it was important “to hold accountable those who aided and abetted these savage attacks on our homeland”. Lynch went on to emphasize “this wasn’t a mere deletion of a few words but a full-fledged blackout of 28 pages of the report”.
It “may have been a matter of national security to secure pages in 2002 but it is long since time that we made these reports public”, he said.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... 911-report
dissident wrote:Without trying to wash clean the US regime which will stoop to anything to achieve its imperial ambitions, I will point out that the WTC towers were not steel framed towers. They were square tubes held together by the floors. Specifically the clips attaching the floor beams to the outer wall. This turned out be a very flimsy design and the original claim by the architects that it could survive a 707 impact was an outright lie.
This minimalist architecture is nothing like that used in the Empire State building, a real steel frame building. This old style frame is a complete lattice that cannot collapse due to an aircraft impact due to the high degree of redundancy. It needs to be taken out with detonation of all the key support columns. In contrast the WTC egg shell design will take itself out if even one floor has enough clips detached from the outer wall. Once the wall is detached from enough clips it starts to deform under its own weight and the weight of the floors above. A bulge forms in the outer wall that acts to shear off more floor clips and the clips of adjacent floors. This sets up a catastrophic failure wave traveling both upward and downward detaching the outer wall from the floors. The square tube outer wall has no ability to hold itself upright and will break apart. In the case of the WTC towers, you can see the outer wall opening up like a flower during the collapse. That they did not keel over and fall reflects the fact that there was not enough structural integrity for the building to act as coherent entity. A steel frame building can fall over. The egg shell design will fall downward since that is the path of least resistance.
onlooker wrote:dissident wrote:Without trying to wash clean the US regime which will stoop to anything to achieve its imperial ambitions, I will point out that the WTC towers were not steel framed towers. They were square tubes held together by the floors. Specifically the clips attaching the floor beams to the outer wall. This turned out be a very flimsy design and the original claim by the architects that it could survive a 707 impact was an outright lie.
This minimalist architecture is nothing like that used in the Empire State building, a real steel frame building. This old style frame is a complete lattice that cannot collapse due to an aircraft impact due to the high degree of redundancy. It needs to be taken out with detonation of all the key support columns. In contrast the WTC egg shell design will take itself out if even one floor has enough clips detached from the outer wall. Once the wall is detached from enough clips it starts to deform under its own weight and the weight of the floors above. A bulge forms in the outer wall that acts to shear off more floor clips and the clips of adjacent floors. This sets up a catastrophic failure wave traveling both upward and downward detaching the outer wall from the floors. The square tube outer wall has no ability to hold itself upright and will break apart. In the case of the WTC towers, you can see the outer wall opening up like a flower during the collapse. That they did not keel over and fall reflects the fact that there was not enough structural integrity for the building to act as coherent entity. A steel frame building can fall over. The egg shell design will fall downward since that is the path of least resistance.
Below is link to the real facts. You see the whole 911 was a big conspiracy and the elites have done all they could to perpetuate this false flag event. D you admit US is imperialistic so you really should read more about the truth of 911 which you can find on 911truth.org and here is the link
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... lition.htm
SeaGypsy wrote:Whereas you are a troll for your unwavering dedication to MSM USA.
SeaGypsy wrote:Knowing 9/11 is not as sold is not tinfoil.
SeaGypsy wrote:Ennui sees building 7 coming down due to office fires as legit. Calls those who see controlled demolition tinfoilers. Total cognitive dissonance there.
So if you were a Palestinian, you would happily give your ancestral home and farm to the Euro-American colonists for free and obediently serve as cheap labour for Israeli corporate agriculture on your former land? You would not think of fighting back?SeaGypsy wrote:As for Israel, very messy story of course, but on that score I agree with him. The islamists are bat shit crazy. The Israelis are self interested, generally sane. They have Muslim women & gays in the military, function as an effective secular state. The Palestinian authority lobs random bombs at whoever in Israel, to little physical but massive psychological effect. Israel tires & finds the whereabouts of some leaders, warns them, then demolishes their houses. Palestine tries the civilian shield method, fails due to the undeniability of warnings being issued, then rounds up some suspected spies & shoots them dead in public a few days later after a kangaroo court trial.
Do you have any position that could be changed as a result of facts or logic presented to you in this discussion group. I don't think so. Why are you here?ennui2 wrote:I know what your position is, though, and you're not going to change mine.
Keith_McClary wrote:[o you have any position that could be changed as a result of facts or logic presented to you in this discussion group. I don't think so. Why are you here?
SeaGypsy wrote:Ennui, intellectual coward.
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