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The real catastrophe is move to eliminate fossil-fuel energy

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We are witnessing the biggest scam in human history. The hysteria over catastrophic man-made climate change is projected to cost up to $200 trillion over the next 100 years. The most optimistic predictions say that after spending all that money we will slow the effects of man-made global warming by about four years. While most people agree that man is having a negative effect on our climate, bankrupting middle-class and poor Americans through harebrained and unachievable mandates is not the way to deal with the problem.

… It’s not the scientists who demand change; it’s politicians. The politicians just want to control your lives. That’s what it’s really about.

Let’s look at the world-renowned scientists who scream “catastrophe.” In the ’70s, they said by 1990 much of the world’s population would die from starvation and disease. In the ’90s, Al Gore said we only have 15 years to fix this or the planet will be uninhabitable. Now … the world will end in 12 years. Every prediction they ever made has been proven to be wrong. Not just a little wrong, but totally wrong. What is wrong with us? Why do we believe this?

Our new governor campaigned on 100 percent renewable energy for New Mexico in 12 years. That is impossible. If she didn’t know that when she said it, then she isn’t fit to lead us. Renewable energy will never plant your food, harvest your food or truck your food to you. It is not possible to heat every home in the state with renewable energy. Stop falling for their lies!

The one catastrophe that is the likely outcome of all of this hysteria is a significant number of premature deaths. One study has shown that if we prohibit all use of fossil fuel energy without adequate replacement, we will see significant brownouts, energy poverty and disruption of all the services that we take for granted today. If that happens, it could result in millions if not billions of premature deaths. Brownouts in hospitals, utilities and other vital services will actually be catastrophic.

We constantly read articles about more severe droughts and hurricanes, but there is absolutely no proof that this is happening. Even if droughts and hurricanes are slightly more severe, our ability to survive them is greatly improved with access to cheap energy.

… I know it’s hard to believe, but we live in the cleanest and safest environment in the entire history of humankind. How can that be right? We are destroying the planet. The air you breathe, the water you drink and the food you eat are the safest and cleanest ever! Why? Cheap and plentiful energy. Plentiful energy allows us to clean our air and drinking water, preserve our food and keep us safe from the elements.

Don’t let the greatest scam in human history take your health and possibly your life away from you.

www.abqjournal.com



39 Comments on "The real catastrophe is move to eliminate fossil-fuel energy"

  1. dissident on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 4:54 pm 

    What a POS screed. It was the media that claimed an ice age is coming during the 1970s. Don’t put that BS on actual scientists, liar. And the 1970s cooling as the direct effect of the surge in aerosol pollution during the 1950s and 1960s which resulted in global dimming. But “humans don’t change climate”, right?

    The author of this BS does not have a single valid claim about climate science. It is a fact that there is about 4% more moisture in the global atmosphere due to the 1 C temperature increase in accordance with the Clausius-Clapeyron relation. This is giving us intermittent rain deluge events that have been occurring with increasing frequency. The average intensity of hurricanes has tracked the temperature increase of the surface waters in the tropics. We are lucky that there have been increases in zonal wind shear at the same time that have suppressed the total number of hurricanes.

    Next….

  2. Robert Inget on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 5:05 pm 

    Grab a handful of NG, winter ain’t over. (yet)

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/09/us/bomb-cyclone-blizzard-severe-storms-tuesday-wxc/index.html?cid=web-alerts&nsid=12617090

  3. Sunspot on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 5:46 pm 

    Where did this garbage come from? This site is just trolling us now I guess…

  4. makati1 on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 5:54 pm 

    It ALL about $$$$ people. Someone says, here’s $10,000. Write an article that says the earht is square…and Zip Boom Bam, an article appears claiming what the client wants it to say. If you check into the background of ANY article or source, it usually shows the spin required by the buyer.

    True is a vanishing species. Fact is too. If you cannot think for yourself, you will be a slave forever to your masters. It’s ALL about money.

  5. RIP Jay Hanson on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 5:59 pm 

    This is just some sort of “Guest Column” at the ABQjournal, just some wingnut resident of Farmington (NW corner of NM) named Jim Willems. I’m sure he got an earful in the comments.

    BTW, the underlying URL above for ABQjournal is incorrect; here’s the real URL:

    https://www.abqjournal.com/1301105/the-real-catastrophe-is-move-to-eliminate-fossilfuel-energy-ex-we-are-witnessing-the-biggest-scam-in-human-history.html

    In the words of the late Jay Hanson [1] of DieOff.org fame, “the opinions of uneducated people don’t matter”.

    [1] https://candobetter.net/node/5739

  6. JuanP sock on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 6:12 pm 

    This is a JuanP posting

    Sunspot on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 5:46 pm

  7. Davy is suffering from paranoid delusions on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 6:49 pm 

    True

  8. Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:09 pm 

    You an me would still be BFF Juan, but you had to go and hook up with Boney Joe. That got me real upset.

    dumbass

  9. Davy Sock on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:11 pm 

    JuanP sock on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 6:12 pm

  10. Not Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:18 pm 

    JuanP posted this

    Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:09 pm

  11. Not JuanP on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 8:49 pm 

    Davy posted this

    Not Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:18 pm
    JuanP posted this
    Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 7:09 pm

  12. Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 9:04 pm 

    OK Juan. Hears the deal. If you ditch Boney Joe and you promise not to cum in my mouth again, I’ll stop pretending everyone else is you.

  13. Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 1:28 am 

    That’s just bullshit Juan. You never came in my mouth.

  14. Not Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 5:35 am 

    JuanP posted this

    Davy on Tue, 9th Apr 2019 9:04 pm
    Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 1:28 am

  15. Antius on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 5:59 am 

    A curious mixture of wisdom and bullshit. Manmade climate change is politically useful to certain people who have their own reasons for pushing it and exaggerating its dangers. That doesn’t mean that there are no dangers of course. It doesn’t mean that the whole concept is fake. Merely that claims should be judged on their provenance and the strength of evidence behind them.

    “In the ’70s, they said by 1990 much of the world’s population would die from starvation and disease.”

    Who is they? There were (and are) people who scaremonger over all sorts of things. You will find people that seriously believe that the Earth is flat and that the US is controlled by lizard people. They are clearly nuts. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t seditious groups within the US or that all such claims should be dismissed as conspiracy theories.

    The most serious scientific study of the impact of future resource depletion in the 1970s was carried out by the Club of Rome and is known now as the ‘Limits to Growth’. It did not make predictions as such, but examined scenarios; it used simple mathematical models to examine how human populations would fayre against specific resource limits and the ability of environmental systems to absorb wastes. The conclusion was that two centuries of dramatic growth in human living standards and numbers, would be forced into reverse at some point in the 21st century. Dozens of scenarios were examined and this reflected uncertainties over the magnitude of specific limits. That doesn’t mean that the conclusion is invalid; merely that the timing is uncertain. Given that the Earth is a closed environment, with limited area and physical resources and given that human population and resource requirements are growing steadily; it doesn’t take very much brain power to reach that conclusion. A child could reach that conclusion.

    “… I know it’s hard to believe, but we live in the cleanest and safest environment in the entire history of humankind. How can that be right? We are destroying the planet. The air you breathe, the water you drink and the food you eat are the safest and cleanest ever!”

    The air we breathe certainly is not the cleanest ever; but is less polluted than it was in the 1950s, mostly due to reductions in coal burning in cities. But literally millions of people die every year across the world from fossil fuel air pollution. Imagine the fuss that people would make if they learned that nuclear radiation was killing even a thousandth of the number. The food we eat is increasingly processed and loaded with sugar, salt and saturated fats. It is leading to huge human health consequences.

    “Why? Cheap and plentiful energy. Plentiful energy allows us to clean our air and drinking water, preserve our food and keep us safe from the elements.”

    Agreed. But these resources are running out. We exploited the high EROI stuff first and the resources that remain (although huge) require progressively larger investments of energy, labour and capital of all sorts to extract each unit of energy. This is slowly crushing real wages and will soon push things into reverse. It is not at all unwise to explore ways of reducing dependence on something that is by its nature finite and showing clear signs of depletion.

    “In the ’90s, Al Gore said we only have 15 years to fix this or the planet will be uninhabitable. Now … the world will end in 12 years.”

    Al Gore is a politician. Back in the early 2000s he attempted to use climate change as an opportunity to muster people and resources around him; effectively capitalising on the crisis. Predictable in its way; and not really any indication that all concerns over climate change are automatically fake. In fact it doesn’t tell us anything about climate change. It merely confirms that there are charlatans that will jump on bandwagons when it suits them. Look at people’s credentials and personal motivations before deciding whether to believe them. But don’t automatically assume that there is no cause for concern just because someone somewhere made a prediction that turned out to be way off the mark.

    “Every prediction they ever made has been proven to be wrong. Not just a little wrong, but totally wrong. What is wrong with us? Why do we believe this?”

    Specific predictions are always wrong to some extent. They are educated guesses about future events based on present information. Some are misleading due to faulty information; others deliberately in an attempt to influence people’s behaviour for other purposes. That doesn’t mean that predictions are pointless or useless or that we shouldn’t act on them. The weather forecast for tomorrow predicts that it may rain. It could be wrong, but I will still be wearing a coat to work.

  16. boney joe on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:02 am 

    Davy the agreement was you would always swallow and never gag. Are you now trying to back out of the deal? And don’t even think about putting in your falsies- the deal is you would always gum it do to your constant biting. Not surprised considering your track record.

    Be a man (or should I say a lady) and live up to your promises.

  17. Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:27 am 

    “Central Banks Are Driving Us Toward A Stagnant Global Zombie Economy”
    http://tinyurl.com/y23wqrnw
    Authored by Daniel Lacalle via DLacalle.com via zero hedge

    “This risk could not be more evident today. Not only have we seen large downgrades to consensus growth estimates and central banks’ expectations of GDP and inflation, leading indicators also point to a much weaker economy ahead. There are similarities with 2008 that we should not ignore. A massive China stimulus inflates risky assets and commodities. Poor macro and earnings data is ignored by markets assuming that all will improve in the second half of the year. Yield curves invert. 15 economies now have 30-year yields lower than LIBOR overnight rates. The figure of negative yield debt rises to $11 trillion. Financial repression is at all-time highs while leading indicators point to a growing risk of recession.”

    “So, if risk is hidden under a perennial money supply-growth carpet, why should we worry? Because the endgame is not likely to be a 2008-style bang, but a slow, painful and unstoppable zombification of the global economy.”

  18. Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:28 am 

    The above article is interesting for us doomers. Since many of us started dooming a decade or more ago we have been looking for a snap or a break. It appears increasingly likely that as far as the global economy, peak oil, and climate our civilization is going to be squeezed and smacked instead. Yes, I included peak oil because longer term it is relevant and a factor in decline. Some think peak oil is dead I say rubbish. Renewables will transform our energy systems but not transition us. Climate is slowly causing more issues with disaster loses and increasingly with food production. These loses are adding up and must be paid for. The 6th great extinction likewise is killing the planet and the web of life but like climate seems to be a longer term death for humans. The economy appears to be managed now but the management is more akin to a survivor in a leaking dingy bailing water. The other issues are social instability, trade wars, and geopolitical instability. The threat of war has to be at this point the greatest risk. I see social instability and trade wars as slower decline eating away at our civilization.

    As a doomer I am now seeing a slow death of life as we know it with the possibility of a massive breakdown because of a great powers war. The rest of the issues will bleed us to death. I was at one time a 3-5 year doomer. I saw peak oil and the financial situation leading to a Minsky moment of loss of confidence and economic paralysis. You know the Ponzi scheme would end in tears and the bubbles pop. Now I am more optimistic because renewables are giving us hope with the energy situation and unconventionals have proven themselves as alternatives to high quality oil. I say that with the understanding that peak oil dynamics of the decline in quality means less affordability further attacking the strength of our global civilization. After 10 years of following the financial and economics of this situation it appears we are not going to explode in crisis but instead slowly die in atrophy.

    There appears no way out from the debt trap. A debt holiday is not a solution except around the edges. MMT just leads to hyperinflation eventually. Socialistic policies will lower productivity even more smothering an already comatose economy. The issue then comes down to a systematic discussion of when will thresholds of stability bifurcate into a new stasis? I don’t know anymore but I am more optimistic in my overall pessimism. We are slowly dying so it may be the young who see the great collapse rapture not me.

  19. JuanP sock on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:29 am 

    JuanP posted this

    boney joe on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:02 am

  20. Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:31 am 

    Antius – didn’t bother to read all of your lies, but the truth is that the current manifestations of Global Warming – you know, the really fucked-up weather all over the world which is getting worse – are far worse and much sooner than anyone predicted. Al Gore said, ten years ago, that we only had about ten years left to get it right. He was correct. Now he says there is still time. He is lying now.

    Here’s reality – We started the warming with the CO2 by burning fossil fuels. It is now out of our hands from passing tipping points and kicking in feedbacks. If you don’t know what that means, look it up yourself, lazy bitch! When the Arctic Ocean melts completely, which could easily happen this fall, this is likely to release vast quantities of methane from the Arctic seabed. Look that up too! But don’t expect Al Gore to tell you about it, if he told you the truth, that the situation is now hopeless, then nobody would listen to him anymore, would they?

    I still find the most amazing thing about this, and so many other issues, is that people really think it matters what their opinion is. IT DOESN’T! If you care about what I think then you are an idiot. If you are smart, you will take the things I mentioned and learn about them yourself. Don’t care about what I think – I can assure, I don’t care what you think unless you are an expert. And nobody here is an expert in anything, except being a dipshit.

  21. JuanP sock on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:35 am 

    This is a JuanP posting

    Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:31 am

  22. Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:43 am 

    “China’s Multi-Billion Dollar Greece Investment Plunged In “Unprecedented Limbo” By Local Bureaucrats”
    http://tinyurl.com/y6gqu4p6 zero hedge

    “The challenges for Chinese enterprises to succeed in managing BRI projects is not showering the dollars and yuans, but winning hearts and minds,” a China research fellow at London-based think tank Chatham House told the South China Morning Post in a bombshell full report detailing how Beijing has entered an “unprecedented limbo” on a stalled expansion project on the famous and ancient Port of Piraeus in Greece. It illustrates an emerging trend in other Belt and Road Initiative countries: all the money in the world can’t overcome local and cultural realities, and if Beijing plans to ride roughshod over these in hunger of its broader ambitions, President Xi’s grand initiative is sure to die on the vine. Cosco Shipping — the China state-owned Shanghai based shipping and logistics services conglomerate — has been operating Piraeus port for the past decade, but local authorities have now banned the company from pursuing a planned expansion of port facilities due to archaeological concerns, halting a €1.5 billion (US$1.7 billion) long term expansion deal with the Greek government which included construction of a sprawling mall next to a new cruise ship terminal, as well as a five-star hotel in port’s southern section. The broader makeover was a planned first step in creating a so-called Athens Riviera — but which now faces endless bureaucratic obstacles amid local fears China is playing an outsized role in Greece.”

    “Moreover, the whole episode underscores Beijing’s overly optimistic approach to BRI-related expansion generally, given the tendency to operate on the assumption that a population’s deep cultural roots combined with local politics can ultimately be overcome with the lure of multi-billion dollar investment.”

  23. Sneaky Davy Sock Puppet on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 7:20 am 

    Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:31 am

  24. Sneaky Davy Sock Puppet on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 7:21 am 

    JuanP sock on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:35 am

    This is a JuanP posting

    Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 6:31 am

  25. Davy on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 7:25 am 

    “Global Solar PV Market To See 25% Growth, Reach 129 Gigawatts Of New Capacity In 2019”
    http://tinyurl.com/y4ta8rob clean technical
    http://tinyurl.com/y6so7l8j graph

    “The global solar PV market is expected to bounce back from slower growth in 2018 with a return to form in 2019 that will see double-digit growth in the range of 25% and total solar installations nearing 130 gigawatts (GW), according to analysts IHS Markit.”

  26. JuanP on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 7:30 am 

    Antius-

    Your commentary is total bullshit.

    For example, you say “Al Gore is a politician. Back in the early 2000s he attempted to use climate change as an opportunity to muster people and resources around him.”

    Your assertion that he’s some Johnny come lately who latched onto the topic to further his political career is utter nonsense. To begin, by the early 2000s Gore was retired from politics. Further, while you playing footsie in college back in the decade of Greed is Good, Gore was educating the public about the perils of climate change. He has been working on this issue for the past 40 years.

    I can go on if you like, but I don’t want to spoil my breakfast.

  27. FUCK JUANP on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 7:34 am 

    juanP shut the fuck up and go masturbate somewhere else. You are a complete disgrace to this forum. Your fucking shit has reduced the quality of this place so much we rarely have new visitors. I once had some respect for you even though I thought you were a loud obnoxious asshole. Now you are currently just a fucking lunatic that needs to check in somewhere.

  28. Shortend on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 8:19 am 

    I get my Science from Al Gore….because he made a lot of money accepting money from the camel jockeys from his network cable channel.
    Sarcasm

  29. Antius on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 8:20 am 

    “Antius – didn’t bother to read all of your lies”

    Then why bother replying, if you cannot be motivated to even read what I wrote? I think it says more about you than it does about me.

  30. Antius on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 8:39 am 

    Al Gore was a politician. He used climate change to rally support for his political cause. There is nothing contentious about what I am saying; it is what politicians do. In itself that doesn’t make him a bad man; it merely makes him human.

    My point is that one needs to understand peoples motivations as part of the decision on whether to follow them or not. Also, just because an issue is being exploited, does not make it fake.

  31. Shortend on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 8:46 am 

    My point is one should get their science from Al Gore because he is a politician and ignore the scientific body of evidence….
    It makes a good press!

  32. Antius on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 8:49 am 

    “I can go on if you like, but I don’t want to spoil my breakfast.”

    Wouldn’t want to disrupt your routine. You have a busy day ahead of you, sitting on your ass, pissing off Davy and generally racking up US unemployment statistics.

  33. Robert Inget on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 9:04 am 

    Will Sub-Auto (SUV’s PU trucks) Loans Spark the Next Financial Crisis?
    WE are going to see $3, $4, even higher gasoline prices. (soon as this month)

    Most here know 60 month sub prime 60 month
    no down auto financing was going to spell disaster. Lard on high gasoline prices
    and folks will leave keys, walk away.
    Keep track of world oil below;
    http://www.livecharts.co.uk/MarketCharts/brent.php

    If today’s EIA Report shows crude oil tightening
    we will see that chart linked above wiz past
    current $71 like Spring Pollen.

    I’m not going to post that report (due 10:30 East
    Wednesdays) but You can here;
    http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/wpsrsummary.pdf

    The US is the ONLY nation that makes public a WEEKLY inventory and consumption
    report. Sometimes, not often, mistakes are made.

    If you are really interested in how the oil bidness
    functions, EIA is the only unbiased, free, resource.

  34. Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 9:47 am 

    Antius – I didn’t post for your benefit. Moron deniers like you are no longer worth the effort. I don’t care what you think because you are WRONG. And probably just a troll anyway. But other people do still read comments here, those that can stomach scrolling through the drivel from the children at the kid’s table. So feel free to post anything you want. I won’t read it. I will continue to occasionally post the truth about Global Warming. You’re welcome.

  35. Sunspot on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 10:32 am 

    “Sneaky Davy Sock Puppet” – what is the point of those two postings? They reference me. Is it an insult? Is there any meaning there? Am I supposed to care somehow? Amazing…

    I don’t know how many of you shape-shifting jerks are posting here, but with every post you prove what small minds you have. You want to drive everyone away so you can sit and giggle at how stupid you are. Really pathetic. Your mother should take away your dessert.

  36. Dredd on Wed, 10th Apr 2019 10:35 am 

    I am always suspicious of writers that do not cite to any sources.

    The claptrap in this abqjournal post would make the author of the book “Propaganda” envious (The Ways of Bernays).

  37. Outcast_Searcher on Thu, 11th Apr 2019 3:45 pm 

    Denialists are so silly.

    Meanwhile in the real world, when there is an ACTUAL move to eliminate fossil fuels (vs. slow their growth a little or gradually replace them), the denialists should be SURE to get back to us.

    In about 50 years, they might actually have a point — although by then, we will need few fossil fuels to BURN. We’ll still likely need LOTS of oil for things like the petro-chemicals industry.

  38. Gaia on Sun, 21st Apr 2019 12:28 pm 

    JuanP and Davy, both of you are a blight to humanity.

  39. Lying JuanP sock on Sun, 21st Apr 2019 12:31 pm 

    JuanP posted this

    Gaia on Sun, 21st Apr 2019 12:28 pm

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