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The overpopulation debate
Overpopulation has been debated since British economist Thomas Malthus famously warned in 1798 that humans could reproduce far faster than they could increase their food supply.
But since Malthus’s time, world population has grown from 800 million to 7.5 billion today. Yet worries about overpopulation are back. In part that’s because lots more people are on the way, complicating efforts to deal with problems like climate change and water scarcity.
The UN forecasts that in the near future the world will add about 83 million people annually. By 2100, world population will grow to 11.2 billion.
On this edition of Global Journalist: a look at the growth of human population and the debate about its risks.
Joining the program:
- Pamela Chirwa Banda, a Zambian demographer who also works for Zambia’s Ministry of Education.
- Corey Bradshaw, senior fellow in global ecology at Flinders University in Australia.
- Alex Berezow, a senior fellow at the American Council on Science and Health
- Hassan Zaky, a demographer and professor of research methods in the psychology department at American University in Cairo.
27 Comments on "The overpopulation debate"
Sissyfuss on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 10:27 am
Overpopulation is not a debate. It is a matter of fact.
onlooker on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 11:01 am
Yep, overpopulation is a root cause of many of our limits to growth problems
Kenz300 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 11:38 am
Endless population growth is not sustainable. If you can not provide for yourself you can not provide for a child.
Apneaman on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 1:27 pm
OP is self solving. The ground work has already been laid. The inertia is going to be a real bitch.
Climate Change & Anthropocene Extinction 24: Insects Germany declined 76% in just 27 years(!)
http://www.bitsofscience.org/anthropocene-extinction-insects-germany-decline-7553/
Climate Change & Anthropocene Extinction 25: Congo rainforest shows drying trend – and degradation
http://www.bitsofscience.org/climate-change-congo-forest-degradation-drying-trend-7560/
Apneaman on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 2:18 pm
World pollution kills more people annually than wars, disasters, hunger
“Environmental pollution — from filthy air to contaminated water — is killing more people every year than all war and violence in the world. More than smoking, hunger or natural disasters. More than AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria combined.
Key points:
One out of every six premature deaths in 2015, about 9 million, was due to toxic exposure
The financial cost of pollution-related death, sickness and welfare is $5.9 trillion annually
The worst affected countries are in Asia and Africa, with India topping the list
One out of every six premature deaths in the world in 2015 — about 9 million — could be attributed to disease from toxic exposure, according to a major study released on Thursday in The Lancet medical journal.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-20/world-pollution-deadlier-than-wars-disasters-hunger/9069776
"Lucifer" on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 2:20 pm
Don’t worry the population will not even reach 10 billion.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:18 pm
Interesting article where ALL of the studies are US sponsored and yet no mention of the supposed “low” pollution found there or the US death stats. Typical American finger pointing. Not that I disagree that visible pollution is not a problem in Africa or Asia. It is, but no country is immune. Not even the US.
If the US has low deaths from pollution, why not brag about it? Answer: the deaths are just more subtle and just as bad. How do you distinguish a death from lead in the water? Or drug residue/chemicals in the drinking water? Or pesticides in the food? Or well water pollution by over use of chemical fertilizers? Or cancers caused by home cleaning products, insect sprays, etc.? And how do you know that smog was the killer? Maybe it was a bad diet? Or stress? Or a mis-perscribed med leaving no clue?
Stats are always under suspicion. Especially as one industry gains from pollution caused health problems. The deathcare industry that makes trillions from your bad health. Cause a problem and then offer to cure it … for a profit. The American way!
Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:28 pm
Mad katter, you are amazing how you manipulate data in your mind. You really are hilarious and so predictable.
onlooker on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:42 pm
I think we can agree pollution is a worldwide problem. i » Fri 20 Oct 2017, 17:25:33
The silent killer
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-20/w … er/9069776
World pollution kills more people annually than wars, disasters, hunger
Environmental pollution — from filthy air to contaminated water — is killing more people every year than all war and violence in the world. More than smoking, hunger or natural disasters. More than AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria combined.
Key points:
One out of every six premature deaths in 2015, about 9 million, was due to toxic exposure
The financial cost of pollution-related death, sickness and welfare is $5.9 trillion annually
The worst affected countries are in Asia and Africa, with India topping the list
One out of every six premature deaths in the world in 2015 — about 9 million — could be attributed to disease from toxic exposure, according to a major study released on Thursday in The Lancet medical journal.
The financial cost from pollution-related death, sickness and welfare is equally massive, the report said, costing some $5.9 trillion in annual losses, or about 6.2 per cent of the global economy.
“There’s been a lot of study of pollution, but it’s never received the resources or level of attention as, say, AIDS or climate change,” Dean of global health at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York, and the lead author on the report, Philip Landrigan said.
The report marks the first attempt to pull together data on disease and death caused by all forms of pollution combined.
“Pollution is a massive problem that people aren’t seeing because they’re looking at scattered bits of it,” Mr Landrigan said
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makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:43 pm
Davy, you ignore data all the time. You ask for refs and then ignore them because they prove you wrong. Your arrogance blinds you to most truths. you profess to know that the US is going down but persist in defending it.
You should be in the streets trying to change its direction since you know it is failing. Oh, there is no way to save it? Then abandon the sinking ship and migrate to that Italian paradise you bragged about. Do it now while you can. Oh, you don’t want to give up your cushy life on the farm? Too bad.
Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:50 pm
What’s da matter mad katter, did I find your weak spot. Lol. You can’t deny pollution and overpopulation can you.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 7:59 pm
I never denied it. You just keep weaseling around the FACT that it is as bad in the US as anywhere else. Population will die off in the US faster than most places because it is a dependency nation. The serfs depend on the government and big corporations for most of their food, and necessities.
Few Americans are prepared for, or will survive, the first year. What is worse? Dying from drug overdose, suicide because the system is failing them, or the effects of obesity?
Death is death. No one can avoid it. Only the timing and means is uncertain.
Davy on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:04 pm
Sure mad katter, give some references. I am a doomer who sees global consequences. It is you who thinks you are in a refuge. You brag about it daily. I am realistic you are in denial.
fmr-paultard on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:16 pm
who fking cares about eruotrad SENTPs supremacist nazi tard extremist preachers and their conservatism. it’s boring, ruled by toxic males hassling women for sex like sally field trying to keep Forrest in school. the obvious indication is that they’re already collapsed to lower energy regime.
Let them fight for scraps …we’ll clean up the mess and take Siberia. ramp up the arms race accelerate their collapse
fmr-paultard on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:17 pm
phils already collapsed and in dictatorship scenario like Prof Heinberg said. He said it could work better, I doubt it. low energy regime dictatorships
fmr-paultard on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:22 pm
sis dear as long as yoru extreme doom doesn’t mean you consent to destruction by SENTPs then it’s ok. Even supertard said he moderated his doom. SENTPs are oportunistic parasites. they are beasts of instinct always taking advantage of modern conveniences (youtube, facebook, twitter) to spread their messages while having pure hatred for these “jewish” venues.
oh by the way, bumpski is going to be banned and that sucks but the flip side is there’re limits to 2A, it also limits to 1A and SENTPs ability to spread their toxic crap
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:30 pm
fmr, so you are a new inhabitant of Davy World? Good! I hope you stay in La La Land. Remember the required position: Fingers in your ears, eyes tight shut and singing “La La La I can’t hear you”! LMAO
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:38 pm
Reality is what it is. Not what you read in USMSM propaganda, Davy. I gave you hundreds of refs and you just ignore them. How do I know? You do not refute them or even refer to them in your reply rants.
You ignore any proof that disagrees with Davy’s version of the world. You profess to know when you could not possibly because you are not there/here. Then you resort to name calling or other ’12 year old’ reactions. Prove that the US is NOT what I claim. Real proof, not US sources. I know better. I lived there for 60+ years. I have constant contact with many there. I visit there and see the changes for myself. Just accept that the US is going down and ignore my posts.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:51 pm
BTW Davy, why are you so obsessed with a part of the world that should not be important to you? Asia is 10,000 miles from you, half way around the world. what happens there should not even be on your mind. Yet, you cannot let it go. Why?
I do have an interest in what is happening in the US as most of my family and friends still live there. I keep close contact and help them when I can, and advise them on preps. Even if I lived there, that would be all I could do. Money cannot change the direction the US is heading. Nothing can. It can only help to prepare for the coming chaos. So can seeing the negatives there as they occur. I do point out the most important ones here. Just ignore my posts.
fmr-paultard on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 8:54 pm
stupid phils they don’t do education only bullets to kill the addicted. why should anyone look to them for direction? you say propaganda can’t do anything? just look at how hitler used propaganda
how about stanley kubrick? he propelled america into space and launched the most successful technological drive for the us.
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 9:05 pm
WHO? Stanley? He was a movie producer. LOL
You are perfect example of the saying “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!”. You definitely have only a little knowledge. Your lack of real education is showing. All you spout is US propaganda. Propaganda in Hitler’s Germany was nothing compared to that used in the US to control the serfs like you. Goebbels would have been ecstatic if he had the same ability to do so in his Germany.
Apneaman on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 9:54 pm
‘Impossible To Save’: Scientists Are Watching China’s Glaciers Disappear
“The Tianshan No. 1 glacier is melting fast, receding by at least 30 feet each year. Scientists warn that the glacier — the source of the Urumqi River, which more than 4 million people depend on — may disappear in the next 50 years.”
“Xinjiang, a land of mountains, forests and deserts, is four times the size of California and is home to 20,000 glaciers — nearly half of all the glaciers in China. Since the 1950s, all of Xinjiang’s glaciers have retreated by between 21 percent to 27 percent.
In the past 50 years, says Li, the average global temperature has risen by 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit). As a result, these glaciers — split from the original Tianshan No. 1 glacier into No. 1 East and No. 1 West — are retreating by around 30 feet each year.”
“”You see that fog coming off the surface?” asks Li, pointing to the top of the glacier. “This glacier creates clouds, which in turn creates rain and snow elsewhere. Without this glacier, this region will start to dry up.””
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/10/21/554271726/impossible-to-save-scientists-are-watching-chinas-glaciers-disappear
makati1 on Sat, 21st Oct 2017 10:47 pm
Ap, I have been following those same events. There will be massive changes coming for a lot of down river people in that part of the world, and many others, as glaciers melt. Only the tome is unknown, but 50 years will see a lot fewer people in those regions. They will migrate. That is 2 1/2 generations from now. Much can happen in that time. I ignore timelines that far in the future. No one knows.
Theedrich on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 4:02 am
The Dem Party’s MSM ectoplasm is pure hatred. There is absolutely nothing the current American president can do or say which is not ridiculed, derogatorily commented on, or cursed. Any clown or undead ghoul (e.g., HRC) that emerges from under a rock is given the TV limelight and far more than 15 minutes of fame. The RINOs participate in this character assassination, since none of them care about the role of the nation in evolutionary history. All of this redounds to acceleration of mud growth everywhere, because of the sob stories used to advance the political position of one side or the other.
One instructive thing has come out of the Harvey Weinstein immorality play: it is the FACT that all of the “great” H-wood starlets are prostitutes of one form or another, penetrated or not. Given the rape-frenzy culture on the nation’s campuses, any accusation by any vixen claiming victim status is taken as justification for destroying whomever she will.
I am not in the habit of defending Yids and their innate perversity. Nonetheless, the claim that Tinseltown millionairesses who got their wealth due to a 150-IQ Jew are simply virginal schoolgirls whose innocence was impugned by him is laughable. They were one and all collaboratresses in the movie propaganda scene. Indeed, the only truthful filmmakers are the porno-flick masters in SoCal. There is no coverup involved in their activities. In contrast, the Leftist brainwashing machine pretends to be telling “the [Bolshevik-approved] truth, ma’am, just the truth,” as it uses every subliminal trick in the book to twist the unconsciouses of the masses. And to distract us from the fact that the earth is being submerged in a floodtide of ThirdWorld subhumans.
The decay of America is not in its sexual mores, but in its genosuicidism. The herd is cinematically taught that, by murdering all the nasty Nazis plus millions of civilian Germans (and nuking the Japs), it became entitled to eternal sloth and rejection of its obligation to further evolution. Nature, however, abhors a vacuum. Muds from every corner of the globe are taking over Euro-Americans’ former place, while the Western intelligentsia cheerleads White self-destruction. The White elites praise this takeover as “progress.” In their minds, overpopulation is not a problem, because it will produce more money and give us brilliant scientists who will wipe every tear from a maiden’s eye.
Extraterrestrial observers from a different corner of the Milky Way would view us with utter contempt and do their cosmic best to help even small but high-IQ nations find ways to eliminate this scourge of evolution from the galaxy. For natura vacuum abhorret.
makati1 on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 4:51 am
U.S. death rate increases for first time in two decades, as overdoses, car crashes, gun deaths rise”
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/10/us-death-rate-increases-for-first-time-in-two-decades.html
” Life expectancy in the United States fell last year for the first time since 1993, as a record high was seen in deaths from drug overdoses, along with disturbing spikes in car crash fatalities, and gun-related homicides and suicides.
From 2014 to 2015, the age-adjusted death rate for the total population increased 1.2 percent….
The total number of fatal drug overdoses increased by 11 percent last year to a record of 52,404, fueled by what is an epidemic of opioid use, both of prescription painkillers and heroin.
Fatal ODs’s surpassed the number of car crash fatalities, which increased 12 percent to nearly 38,000. Deaths from car crashes, which had been declining for four decades, in 2015 saw the biggest increase in 50 years.
Deaths from gunshot, self-inflicted or otherwise, were close behind car-related deaths, increasing 7 percent to more than 36,000.”
3rd world America is growing.
deadlykillerbeaz on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 4:52 am
Lots of glaciers in Alaska have retreated because it is warmer now than it was in 1895.
Plenty of photo evidence out there.
http://www.snowaddiction.org/2014/06/photos-from-alaska-then-and-now-this-is-a-get-ready-to-be-shocked-when-you-see-what-it-looks-like-now.html
There they were, gone.
One thing about the North, not a lot of people live there. When you look into the expanse of forest and wilderness, you know nobody is out there.
TheNationalist on Sun, 22nd Oct 2017 6:46 am
The attempted genosuicidism in parts of the west is already causing massive feedback loops and unrest.
My money is on a multi polar world and the mass deportations and split of the union is coming for places like EU and the U.S.