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The Extinction of Humanity

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As the temperatures swelter in the once-crisply cool climates of the world and water levels rise to mercifully meet our sun-burnt feet in violent wave after wave, we still do nothing.

Nothing significant enough is being done, or is even being discussed, to adequately combat this new global crisis that we not only face but are, in fact, already well in the midst of.

This crisis is alarmingly raising pertinent and (what should be more immediate) questions similar to those asked in Nadia Drake’s June 23 National Geographic article titled “Will Humans Survive the Sixth Great Extinction?” Drake raises questions with Pulitzer Prize-winning author and journalist Elizabeth Kolbert, who addressed how humans are driving this incredible rise in extinction rate that we’re experiencing. Kolbert said that there are many factors, such as “simply hunting. We brought in invasive species. We are now changing the climate, very, very rapidly, by geological standards.”

Kolbert was also asked if she thought we humans could be a victim of their own mass extinction. She mentioned that she wouldn’t claim that we necessarily couldn’t, in part because “we’re very adaptable. But I think the bottom line is, you wouldn’t want to find out.”

But then Kolbert went on to ask another interesting question, “Even if we can survive, is that the world you want to live in? Is that the world you want all future generations of humans to live in?”

We are allowing this extinction we’re driving, allowing ourselves to continue ignoring man-made climate change, allowing ourselves to go on living the same life with the same concerns we have gotten accustomed to. It’s far too easy, at least when we in large part ignore the terrifying truths of the matter, to be consumed with worry for finances, ourselves and our immediate children than to use our energy to worry about the variety of animal species that are disappearing, or our children’s grandchildren.

This tension of our attention is reflected in pieces like the New York Times’ June 22 article, titled “E.P.A. Warns of High Cost of Climate Change,” in which monetary concern is brought to the forefront of our climate change crisis. The article references the Environmental Protection Agency’s recent estimate that “In the absence of global action to curb greenhouse gas emissions, the United States by the end of the century may face up to $180 billion in economic losses because of drought and water shortages.”

It is also reflected in economic exercises like Anna Lieb’s June 18 article, “Putting a Price on Nature,” published on the PBS website, in which the author calculated through mathematical calculations based on economic and conservation studies, to create a sort of “natural capital,” which is exactly what the title of the article suggests.

Even in academia, there is a disconnect between what we hold as important, and what we should be shifting our attention to. Professor Timothy Mitchell, of Columbia University, looked at the connection between modern democracy and man-made climate change in his April 16, 2008 article “Carbon Democracy.” In it, he argues that “faced with the threats of oil depletion and catastrophic climate change, the democratic machineries that emerged to govern the age of carbon energy seem to be unable to address the processes that may end it.”

Ultimately, humanity is having to face extinction, because of the extinction of the ultimate trait of humanity: our adaptability. We are not adapting anywhere close to quickly enough to properly combat this self-created crisis. If it is our intellect and ability to change that we pride ourselves on, that not only enabled us to survive, but thrive in this world of ours, and in this area, climate change, we seem to be abandoning these our greatest strengths.

43 Comments on "The Extinction of Humanity"

  1. Davy on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 8:40 am 

    Hoping not to sound cocky and grandiose but some of the best doom is from from the various contributors we have on the Wild West blog board. Many other articles and academic papers have weaknesses of being behind the reality we have ventured to and our ability to call it like it is. Too much of the published data and especially from the main stream is massaged to avoid spreading fear and panic. Imagine if a main stream media site was daily referencing and talking about what we talk about complete with a blond bimbo talking head in a tight skirt.

  2. Hello on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 8:59 am 

    Doom is much slower in arrival than anticipated by the generic doomer.

  3. penury on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 9:31 am 

    I suppose that no one on this board will ever know whether or not humans go extinct. So I suppose worrying about extinction is useless. Perhaps if we were not burdened with the myth of exception we (humans) would care more about the prevention of extinction of other speciex.

  4. Rodster on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 10:01 am 

    When the world is more fixated on building and selling crap that last NO more than a year just to keep the economies running all the while using up precious resources (fracking), it doesn’t give one much hope for a better future.

    The only ones who are happy are the Banksters because they fatten their wallets from the system they created long ago. And last I checked, they have NO plans to give up their control, wealth and power.

  5. Kenz300 on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 10:14 am 

    Climate Change is real….. we need to deal with the cause (fossil fuels)

    Listen Up: Pope Calls for the Replacement of Fossil Fuels, Renewable Energy and Solar Subsidies – Renewable Energy World

  6. BobInget on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 10:29 am 

    We can ignore plights of millions of climate refugees till we become one. Until that day,
    party-on bro.

  7. MSN Fanboy on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 10:47 am 

    we can ignore there plight lol

    No BOBINGET the plan is to let the refugees into your community haha

    I hope you enjoy it

  8. HARM on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 11:27 am 

    “Putting a Price on Nature,” published on the PBS website, in which the author calculated through mathematical calculations based on economic and conservation studies, to create a sort of “natural capital,”

    Because if you can’t monetize something, it has no value in our hyper-capitalist system. Yet another blindingly obvious market failure, aka, Tragedy of the Commons.

    And yet all my Libertarian/conservative friends keep telling me, “Capitalism is a perfect system. There is no such thing as a “market failure. That’s just a liberal myth, like AGW or ‘evolution’. If we just liberate banks and financial markets from the last vestiges of New Deal regulation and cut away the final dregs of socialism (Medicare/Obamacare, Social Security, unemployment insurance, etc.) we’ll have a Free Market Paradise on earth. It’s not religion, it’s science.”

  9. Rodster on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 11:35 am 

    “And yet all my Libertarian/conservative friends keep telling me, “Capitalism is a perfect system.”

    The next time your Rush Limbaugh/Conservative friends spew that crap, remind them Crapitalism died a long, long time ago.

    We are now ruled by Bank-ism which replaced Crapitalism.

  10. HARM on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 11:57 am 


    Honestly, I don’t think there’s really any difference between capitalism and ‘bank-ism’ (a.k.a, cronyism, fascism, plutocracy, mafia state-ism) or whatever else you want to call it. Most Americans *still* don’t get that what we are experiencing is late-stage capitalism, not some aberrant/corrupted version of capitalism.

    I live in NCAL, which is *very* liberal by American standards, and you would be surprised to know how many Ds and independents think this way. They’ve completely internalized the whole socialism (or any alternative economic system) = evil/un-American, while capitalism = democracy and is the best possible system.

    Most Americans –many liberals included– still believe that *we* are failing capitalism, not the other way around. Most Americans still believe if we could only somehow become even more ruthlessly capitalistic and eliminate all the burdensome regulation from “job creators” that everything will just naturally right itself and the country will back on the “right course”.

    Hence, you have the immense popularity of Citizen Trump, the billionaire and inverse populist who is gaining huge ground with middle and lower income voters.

  11. tahoe1780 on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 11:57 am 

    Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and he’ll decimate fisheries.

  12. HARM on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 11:58 am 

    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”
    –John Maynard Keynes

  13. jedrider on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 12:08 pm 

    Why does anyone think they are calling it a ‘Great’ extinction? Because of some polar bears? I doubt it.

  14. BC on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 1:04 pm 

    tahoe, 😀

    HARM, Amen, brother. I refer to the current late-stage evolution of the system “militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist corporate-statism”, which is arguably a kind of quasi-fascism but with a friendly face (unless you’re on the receiving end of drone strikes) via PR, advertising, etc.

    We have elements of “Rollerball”, Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, Huxley’s “Brave New World”, and “Clockwork Orange”, and no doubt many others I’m leaving out.

    I foresee the system evolving further towards a kind of privatized corporate-state, i.e., “Elysium”, in which the top 0.001-1% own virtually everything of economic value, including water, land, forests, major thoroughfares, ports, the largest corporations, the gov’t, etc.

    The private corporate-state will concentrate further resources, income, wealth, and political power by centralizing political power to the executive branch and steadily defunding social-welfare programs per capita until they are no longer viable or self-sustaining.

    The owners of the corporate-state will not need “the economy” to grow for the bottom 90-99%, as they will continue to disengage from productive activities and be even more disinterested in, and desensitized to, the plight of the bottom 90%+.

    “Security” and “corrections” will be increasingly privatized by the corporate-state to surveil the masses and anticipate and contain social unrest. This could become a society in which, because of economic dislocation and hardship, most of us are deemed “undesirables”, “criminals”, “dissidents”, “insurgents”, and “enemy (of the imperial corporate-state) combatants”.

    Of course, many of these elements are already well on their way to developing.

  15. BC on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 1:10 pm 

    I don’t anticipate human ape extinction but mass die-off of billions, which will leave a remnant in the hundreds of millions or a billion or two by late century. This is what the rentier Anglo-American and European Power Elite Rockefeller-Rothschild gang have anticipated since as long ago as “Limits to Growth”, if not before.

    So, the mass die-off of most of us is just a part of “The Plan”.

    No worries, mates. “They” have it all under control, and we’re not invited to the post-die-off celebration.

  16. HARM on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 1:53 pm 

    @BC, And don’t forget “The Running Man” on your list of dystopian rentier-corporate state science ‘fiction’. I just can’t wait until reality TV fully evolves and we have actual gladiatorial games.

    “I choose… Ben Richards. That boy is one mean motherf**ker.”

  17. Pennsyguy on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:00 pm 

    The bad news: we live in the Matrix.
    The good news: we can join Fight Clubs.

  18. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:02 pm 

    BC, that may very well be their dream, but I think it’s all it will ever be. Currently the tax payer funded budget to fight forest fires is at a 150 million a weak in the US and it’s completely mental in Canada and Russia as well. There is no way anyone is going to save those forests no matter how much money and resources are thrown at it. Ports? Just a matter of time before they need to throw money at those as sea level rise changes the parameters and that will only be a short term band-aide – they will all be abandoned in the end. One can go through the, already shaky, infrastructure list and see how it is going to continue to take a shit kicking from increased temperatures and extreme weather – most of it was not engineered for. All the US government can do is keep passing a temporary extension for the national highways – the so called back bone of Americas infrastructure. No techno industrial civilization needs a large tax base to maintain it and it’s just not there anymore. In addition, I have a strong feeling that the “dissidents”, “insurgents” and such that you speak of may help the collapse of the infrastructure along. I still believe there will be elites/rulers but just not the highly techno dependent ones we have now.

    Forest Service burning through budget fighting fires
    Fire suppression siphoning money from other services

    “The U.S Forest Service has spent over $800 million this year fighting fires. Just last week alone nearly $150 million went into fighting dozens of fires all across the west. Yet with several weeks more to go until this fiscal year ends on September 30, it’s looking more and more likely that the Forest Service will have to pull funds from other programs.

    “As we spend more on fire fighting,” said Wes Stumbo, a forest engineer with the U.S. Forest Service. “It pulls away from the programs we normally manage such as grazing, recreation, roads.”

    Infrastructure Report Card

    Grade D+ Estimated Investment Needed by 2020: $3.6Trillion

    Aging US Power Grid Blacks Out More Than Any Other Developed Nation

    I just don’t see the Koch Bros and friends whipping out their wallets to pay for it all – do you?

  19. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:03 pm 

    Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Infrastructure (HBO)

  20. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:06 pm 

    Sea Level Rise Brings Added Risks to Coastal Nuclear Plants

    U.S. electricity facilities less than 4′ above local high tide

    Nearly 100 electricity facilities in the contiguous United States, including power plants and substations, are within four feet of high tide — and are therefore vulnerable to rising sea levels.

  21. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:17 pm 

    jedrider, polar bears are but one of many on their way out. About 100 species go extinct a day now. The regular background rate is 25. Large mammals (99lbs>) along with their offspring will be among the first to disappear.

    Humans could be among the victims of sixth ‘mass extinction’, scientists warn

    “If it is allowed to continue, life would take many millions of years to recover and our species itself would likely disappear early on,” lead author Gerardo Ceballos of the Universidad Autonoma de Mexico said.”

    Accelerated modern human–induced species losses: Entering the sixth mass extinction

  22. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:29 pm 

    Lol, Harm. I was in my peak testosterone/stupidest years when The Running Man came out. I’m hoping Aubrey de Grey will soon complete his mad scientist eternal youth research and can turn back the clock for María Conchita Alonso. That girl gave me some major wood back then. Anything is possible with technology if you only believe strong enough.

  23. Rodster on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 2:30 pm 


    Honestly, I don’t think there’s really any difference between capitalism and ‘bank-ism’ ”

    There is a big difference my friend. In capitalism you succeed or fail on your own accord, you get no help from others. In Bank-ism, you never fail, as you are always given a new lifeline to continue on your path of wealth, greed, power and control. The term “Too Big Too Fail” was when the US Govt admitted it was being run by the Banks.

    In Bank-ism you control the Govt’s, the Govt’s don’t control you and the Govt helps you in generating more wealth and power. And with Bank-ism you control the economies.

  24. Dredd on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 3:00 pm 

    Historically, civilization has gone down over and over again, but humanity has not (Civilization Is Now On Suicide Watch).

    We should focus on what it is that takes civilization down so often, because we are here (You Are Here – 5).

  25. onlooker on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 3:06 pm 

    Yes, Dredd but this time is different because our civilization is world-wide and the forces we have unleashed in terms of environmental devastation and global warming threaten a Mass Extinction Event which will cause many more extinctions and quite probably our own.

  26. BC on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 3:26 pm 

    HARM: Right about “Running Man”. 🙂 One could also toss in “This Perfect Day”, “Logan’s Run”, “Soylent Green” (of course), “Z.P.G.”, “Silent Running”, and “Phase IV” for the sci-fi fans.

    apnea and his wood. 😀

    apnea: As for the Koch Bros paying, they and their peers WILL PAY for the private infrastructure, paramilitary security, and private compounds and ground, air, and water transport, leaving the public transport to crumble for the rest of us.

    Of course, it will be our fault for being mouth-breathing, low-information, lazy, cretin takers. 😀

    They will own the corporate-state that will be the only entity that has the concentrated resources to maintain the PRIVATE infrastructure and buy the services and loyalty of the warriors, techno-geeks, and managers to keep what’s left running.

  27. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 4:28 pm 

    BC, so they will be rulers of a large gated compound? Are they going to recreate the entire global supply chain within their little fiefdom? A miniature version of everything eh? Mini pharmaceutical factories, mini chip, motherboard, hard drive factories, little limousine and private jet plants, and on and on? How will they protect all this yet to be built high tech high energy infrastructure from the ever growing ravages of climate disruption when we can barley manage now? Can you imagine what all those people locked up together will do to each other? I mean if most of us will be gone they will only have each other left to exploit. Do you have a historical comparable where the elite were able to make a self sustaining miniature version of their civilization while all the plebs went quietly into the night? Yeah I know – this time it’s different.

  28. BC on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 5:12 pm 

    apnea, good points and questions. They can buy (have bought) the next 9.9% below the top 0.001-0.1% as the technocratic, managerial, and techno-scientific types to built out an increasingly automated, self-contained, highly efficient, self-sustaining, private division of labor and production and distribution system that can be done at cost with no need for profit but merely upgrades and replacement at the same or better efficiency. They don’t need it to grow.

    Once they act collectively and decisively to render the rest of us no more than at low-entropy subsistence, or preferably non-existent, the successors will not have to worry about social unrest, elections, placating the rabble masses, large-scale economic and social effects of climate change, and the like.

    Forests, grasslands, topsoil, watersheds/riparian zones, aquifers, and fisheries can be restored naturally with time.

    It’s evolution: survival of the most adaptably fit among the elites and their techno-scientific, managerial, and warrior types.

    They win. We lose (eventually).

  29. Energy Investor on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 5:42 pm 

    Jedrider, IIRC the human population in 1AD was about 270 million humans and together with our livestock made up about 4-6% of all land mammals. Today we are about 7.29billion and together with our livestock we make up more than 97% of all land mammals. When folk refer to the sixth mass extinction, they are referring to all the populations and species on land and sea that have disappeared to make room for us folks and our resource requirements (and rcreational desires).

  30. Energy Investor on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 5:46 pm 

    This is why we live in the age of the Anthropocene. The best book for you to read to get a handle on what is coming is to review the book, “The collapse of Complex societies”. It shows societal complexity and resource depletion as the cause of past failings…and there is no reason to believe that will not also be our fate in the 21st century.

  31. apneaman on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 6:10 pm 

    BC even if techno industrial society were shut down at midnight we are still going to have to deal with an almost unfathomable amount of inertia in the earth system. Were talking tens of thousands of years at the bare minimum before you see significant ecosystem recovery that is beneficial to us and that can’t even happen until the system finishes shifting/killing. The thing is were not stopping nor will we ever. I’m not sure exactly where you get the idea that the system is a switch and if we just shut it off it will, with a little nudge, go back to being friendly, but it’s inaccurate. The fossil and Geo-chemical records tell us so. There are many unstoppable self reinforcing feedback loops in play and we have barley begun to feel the consequences and those consequences have already contributed greatly to turmoil all over the world. Did you not read the study I provided a few comments above with the accompanying quote?

    “If it is allowed to continue, life would take many millions of years to recover and our species itself would likely disappear early on,” lead author Gerardo Ceballos of the Universidad Autonoma de Mexico said.”

    He is saying this because “many millions of years” are the typical of the recovery times from the 14 previous extinction periods. Maybe the Kochs will have a descendant sneak through who will be a King of the apes in a couple million years, but it’s looking more and more like we are going bye bye.

    Here’s another take on it with an explainer article and the study.

    Humans face extinction if plant destruction continues: ‘Laws of thermodynamics have no mercy’ … ign=buffer

    Human domination of the biosphere: Rapid
    discharge of the earth-space battery foretells
    the future of humankind

    https://collapseofindustrialcivilizatio … 353112.pdf

  32. dubya on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 8:31 pm 

    “Today we are about 7.29billion and together with our livestock we make up more than 97% of all land mammals. ”

    Gasp . what a shocking conceit that little ol’humans could have any effect on the planet. Why it says right here in the Bible, on page, uh… let me get back to you… that Cellular telephones and Air Conditioning powered by Coal fired electricity is a Di-rect gift from YWH.

    Donald Trump is an honest, self-made man who will look after the little guy, you just watch.

  33. Makati1 on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 8:42 pm 

    Human Extinction is guaranteed by about 2100. Why?

    Nuclear waste sitting around the world today:

    ~75,000 Tons of spent fuel for the nuclear industry alone with ~2,000 tons being added every year.

    ~250,000 Tons of all kinds of radioactive waste added to the above.

    ~15,000 nuclear weapons plus an unknown amount of nuclear munitions in the world today.

    As of July 2015, 30 countries worldwide are operating 438 nuclear reactors for electricity generation and 67 new nuclear plants are under construction in 15 countries.

    Then there is climate change, that keeps accelerating daily. Sea and temperature rise is exceeding even the worst expectation of the scientists. A lot of the world’s forests are being destroys at an increasing rate. (Trees = Oxygen ~20% of what we need to live.)

    The oceans are turning into jelly fish heaven as all of the other species die off. (Again healthy oceans = Oxygen ~50% Got an oxygen mask and 100,000+ tanks to keep you alive?)

    Between lowering oxygen levels, rising temperatures and oceans, radioactivity, Toxic chemicals numbering in the thousands everywhere, and the declining net energy that powers ‘civilization’, I doubt we will be a surviving species by 2100. I could list article and sites to back up my claims, but they would fill a book.

  34. fat lady on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 8:55 pm 

    Why worry? we are currently in the midst of an oil GLUT! TRA LAAAAAAAA!

  35. GregT on Tue, 25th Aug 2015 9:35 pm 

    No need to lose what remains of your sanity Nony. There are other options.

  36. freak on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 2:00 am 

    BILLIONS of dead fish now washing up in Alaska from radiation-polluted Pacific Ocean.

    No where on planet earth will be safe.

  37. apneaman on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 2:11 am 

    Horseshit freak the blob is caused by AGW. Highly speculative article.

  38. Boat on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 2:52 am 

    Yes, billions of fish dead and the pic shows less than 50. The world has ended as we know it.

  39. Davy on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 3:22 am 

    Boat economic and environmental collapse is a process. This process is well on its way but you refuse to acknowledge it. Now that the markets are crashing the economic wellbeing you seem to be in will come under pressure because society at large will be under pressure. The markets were the last bright spot at least of the rich. They kept much of the economic growth activity going. IMA, much of the mal-investment growth. There has been little real productivity gains or proper investments per what is needed for what is ahead. Mostly allot of investment in leisure and inflated assets of little use in a collapsed world. I know I have a connection to the 1% through a wealthy family.

    From here on out it is going to be bad news on all fronts. The talking heads on their goofy Hollywood news room sets are going to have difficulty finding good news to crow about. That fun happy upbeat music they always play will look odd and out of place. Boat I accept that we are not at the end of the world but we are at the beginning of the end of the world as we know it. That is definitely undeniable especially now that the markets are deflating. The more you crow everything is fine you more you look the fool.

    This is especially true on the environmental and climate front that is collapsing as we speak. Abrupt climate change is appearing and multiple failing ecosystems are popping up. These are still localized but just as ice starts to freeze locally in a water body as it progresses the ice moves together quite quickly. We are at the beginnings of ecosystem wide failures where localized failures combine. The oceans are the canary in the coal mine and they are extremely sick.

  40. Boat on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 3:45 am 

    Boat economic and environmental collapse is a process. This process is well on its way but you refuse to acknowledge it.

    Thats not true. Your always trying to put words in my mouth.

    There are problems with the environment but will still take decades to deteriorate at minimum.

    The financial system is fine. Just another hiccup among dozens. Even if there is a crash like 2007 it only affected 20% or so and most of that took just a few years to recover.

    Your life style of doom has just overtaken you. Not a bad thing cause you are harmless but I am glad I don’t take financial advice from you.

    I have a multi millionair brother who is a partner in an investment firm. I did better then he did and his investors before and after the crash because he is very conservative. But that is what he advertises and the firm gets theirs no matter what.

    My biggest worry is geopolitical events in the Asian region only because those folks are crazy. They still trade barbs over WWII. Not to mention N Korea with nukes. But for the most part these are the best of times for the world. That is what you can’t see.

  41. freak on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 4:05 am 

    Narcissism is alive and well in the world. You know Zombies do not know they are a Zombie.

  42. Davy on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 4:09 am 

    Boat you are a black kettle talking to a black pot. We both put words in each other’s mouth.

    You are in denial on environmental issues. You are a decade behind the times where many of us doomers were 10 or 15 years ago. At that time many of us thought these issues were going to be our grandkid’s problems. They are now our problems.

    You are so out of it Boat. You can’t tell me the financial system is fine. I don’t even need to comment on that because there is ample evidence of instability currently. You look the fool on that subject.

    I am not giving you financial advice Boat because that is not my art. I am a doomer and prepper. I will comment on the dynamics of a financial system. I will express the need for risk management in this regards. Anyone like you Boat that is crowing about his investments being fine and safe going forward is in for a rude awakening.

    My dad is in the market big. He made some good money shorting this downturn. He is listening to me even though he is conservative and not buying into the doom. He does remember 08 when for the two years leading up to 08 I was preaching doom that happened. Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your current position there was a defibrillator called debt that was employed to save the global economy. That macro debt tool has run its course as all tools do that are used as debt was. It was meant to be a short term drug but it turned into a maintenance drug.

    The geopolitical was bad, is bad, and always will be bad. What is new is we now have economic, environmental, and climate instabilities making that geopolitical instability far worse. You are in denial Boat so there is not much that can be said to you. My eyes are wide open. Hopefully you corns will pull a rabbit out of your ass and save the day but I will side with nature. She is in charge and she is pissed.

  43. apneaman on Wed, 26th Aug 2015 11:10 pm 

    Davy does your old man have a charitable trust? I need a grant!

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