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The title for this series of posts started out as “Preparing for collapse”, but in my last post I immediately went into a rant about how I see a hard, fast, world-crippling collapse as pretty improbable. What I’m observing instead is a slow collapse that has already been happening for several decades and will continue for several more, albeit with much the same end result as a fast collapse. KMO, one of my favourite podcasters and a follower of this blog, suggested a better title would be Responding to Collapse, and that’s what I’ll be using from now on. Thanks, KMO.
Of course, I expect that the degree of collapse will become more intense as time passes, and it is that which we should try to prepare for (or respond to). Times will become gradually harder and occasionally bad things will happen that make things quite a bit worse all at once. But things will be much worse in some areas than others and if you are clever you can arrange to be where you’ll miss the worst of it. Though if you think you can arrange to miss all of it, you’re kidding yourself.
Over the next few posts I’ll be offering some rules of thumb for surviving collapse. But always remember not to follow any rule off a cliff. Look at your own current circumstances and adjust my ideas fit.
All of what I am suggesting here only works if the great majority of people ignore my advice or, more likely, never hear it in the first place. One of our biggest problems, now and for quite a while yet, is that there are too many people living on this planet. If a great many people where to head in the direction I am pointing, the advantage of being there would immediately go away.
This is already starting to play out in some parts of the world where things are getting bad enough politically, economically and/or climate-wise that many are leaving in desperation. I am talking about places like the Middle East, North Africa, Venezuela and to some extent even Puerto Rico, where people are leaving for the mainland U.S. in droves. As the numbers of refugees mount the welcome they receive gets less enthusiastic. But bear in mind that the only real choice you will have in this situation is to be part of the influx of refugees or to be among of those who are welcoming it. I would say that the latter role is very much preferable. A timely move, before things get serious, can put you on the right side of things.
And those of you who applaud their government for clamping down on immigrants and immigration, consider this: if your government is so ready to mistreat “those people”, how long will they hesitate to treat you similarly when it becomes convenient? Better to take part in the political process (vote, as a minimum) and work towards a government with more humane and progressive policies.
Some of those bad things that might make you want to move will be caused by climate change and today I’d like to focus on the negative effects of climate change, specifically higher temperatures and changing rainfall patterns.
I should say in advance that if you are in denial about climate change, please go somewhere else where you’ll be more welcome. I simply don’t have the energy or inclination to engage with you. As far as I am concerned it’s happening, we’re causing it by adding CO2 and other greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, and it’s going to get worse for quite a while yet. Especially since it doesn’t seem like we are going to do anything about reducing green house gas emissions until collapse forces us to drastically reduce our use of fossil fuels and our level of consumption in general. At the same time, I give very little credence to those who talk about near term extinction of the human race. That’s way too much of an easy way out, and little more than an excuse for inaction.
Much of how we have come to live over the last few thousand years was determined by the climate, which has been fairly stable and accommodating to the way we practice agriculture. Based on this, we have been a very successful species, at least if you judge by how we have spread over the planet and how our population has grown. During the last couple of centuries energy from fossil fuels has enabled us to become even more “successful”. We have overcome some challenges that had previously been insurmountable and managed to feed an ever growing population.
The Green Revolution involved some “improved” plant varieties that give startlingly better yields in response to optimized irrigation, fertilization and pest control, all of which have been facilitated by the ready availability of cheap energy. Unfortunately, this has involved the use of non-renewable resources such as fossil fuels, the water in fossil aquifers, and deposits of potash and phosphorous.
We’ve managed to live and even farm in areas that were previously deserts. and we’ve been able to ship food from all over the world to areas where the population couldn’t even remotely be supported by local agriculture. But the days of cheap fossil fuels, fertilizers and pesticides, abundant fossil water, and low cost worldwide shipping (with refrigeration as needed) are coming to an end at the same time as the climate is going crazy. We’re are going to have to adapt as best we can.
So, let’s have a closer a look at the consequences of climate change.
There is no doubt that the climate is warming worldwide and will continue to do so. That warming is much more intense in the high latitudes, leading to melting of major ice shields in Greenland and Antarctica. Mountain glaciers are also melting and disappearing at an alarming rate. To make matters worse, the water and land exposed by melting ice is much less reflective that the ice was and retains more of the heat from the sun rather than reflecting it back into space, leading to even more warming.
Ice is only about 89.5% as dense as sea water. This is why about 10% of the mass of an iceberg sticks out of the water, and why when ice floating in sea water melts, it does not change the level of the water. So the ice covering the Arctic Ocean will have no effect on sea level as it melts. But ice sitting on land does increase sea level when it melts and runs into the sea. This is true of the ice in Greenland and in mountain glaciers, and of much of the ice in Antarctica.
The loss of mountain glaciers also effects the way in which precipitation is stored and flows into rivers and we’ll get to that in a moment, but for now, let’s concentrate on sea level rise.
Interestingly, sea level isn’t the same everywhere. When we speak of altitudes “above sea level” we are talking about “Mean Sea Level”, which is an average level of the surface of one or more of Earth’s oceans. But what we are concerned about here is the actual sea level at any particular location, and this can differ quite a bit from one location to another, and from one time to another, as the sea is in constant motion, affected by the tides, wind, atmospheric pressure, local gravitational differences, temperature, salinity and so forth. In addition to melting ice, sea level has been increasing during at least the last century as the oceans have heated up due to climate change. Further, many human settlements are built on river deltas, where subsidence of land contributes to a substantially increased effective sea level rise. This is caused by both unsustainable extraction of groundwater (in some places also by extraction of oil and gas), and by levees and other flood management practices that prevent accumulation of sediments from compensating for the natural settling of deltaic soils.
Here is an interactive map that illustrates what areas will be flooded as sea level rises. You can select the amount of rise and scroll around and zoom in to see the effect on the parts of the world that interest you most.
When I initially looking at that map, even with the sea level rise set to the highest level, it didn’t seem all that bad—there will be lots of dry land left. But, zooming in and giving it a little further thought, I realized that the missing piece of information is what currently occupies the relatively small areas that would be flooded—a whole lot of people, many of whom are living in the world’s largest and most economically important cities.
It’s hard to nail down how many people will get their feet wet for any particular increase in sea level, but I did find one article that discusses this in some detail.
The writer says,
“Current estimates for the absolute maximum sea level rise, if the glaciers at both poles melted, range from 225 to 365 feet, with the latter being more likely accurate. If sea levels rose that much, coastal lands would be depressed several meters and transgressive erosion would also occur. So, for instance, even though Long Island has many points that are above 300 feet or so, none of it would survive the transgressive erosion because it is all glacial till. It is hard to extrapolate from the numbers above to a 100+ meter rise, and improper to do so, but consider that if the human population is concentrated near the seas, and 10% live below the 10 meter line, then it is probably true that well more than half live below the 100 meter line, and many more within the area that would be claimed by the sea through erosion and depression.”
But while all that ice may well melt eventually, most sources predict that sea level will only go up a few feet during this century. That would be less destructive, but even moderate increases in sea level combined with more severe and more frequent storms, and with tides (if the timing of those storms is bad), will result in previously unheard of damage to seaside settlements. We’ve already seen some of this with Katrina, Sandy and several storms (Harvey, Irma, Maria) in the fall 2017, that hit the Gulf Coast, Puerto Rico and Florida. As I write this, Hurricane Florence is heading for the Carolinas. It promises to last longer and bring with it a lot of rain due to the unusually high temperatures associated with it
Clearly, you’ll want to be away from the seashore. But you don’t want to jump from the pan directly into the fire, so we need t look at what other climate change related problems you might face farther inland. In an attempt to increase the content value of this post, I found some more maps which illustrate the effect climate change is going to have over the coming decades.
- Projections of Future Changes in Climate, by The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
- Regional Maps on Migration, Environment and Climate Change, Environmental Migration Portal
- Visualizing a Warmer World: 10 Maps of Climate Vulnerability, by Stefanie Tye, Emily Nilson and Lauretta Burke, World Resources Institute
- Climate—How is climate changing? Partnership for Resilience and Preparedness
Climate change is a global problem, but in my search it became obvious that quite a lot more information is available for the U.S. and Canada, and since many of my readers are from North America, I’m including some of that information here.
- Nine maps that show how climate change is already affecting the US, by Brad Plumer, Vox
- Future Climate, National Climate Assessment, U.S. Global Change Research Program
- New maps highlight changes coming to Canada’s climate, Prairie Climate Centre
- Monthly Temperature and Precipitation Delta Maps, Prairie Climate Centre
Looking at those maps and a lot of other study led me to the following conclusions:
Tropical storms can do quite a bit of damage fairly far inland—look at what Maria did to Puerto Rico—even the mountainous inland parts of the island. This is something to take into consideration if you currently live in the Caribbean, near the gulf coast of the U.S. or near the eastern board of the U.S. Tropical storms in the Pacific and Indian Oceans are not something we hear much about in the mass media in North America, but they do happen and have lots of potential for damage to human settlements. If you live where this happens you’re probably well aware of it and can take it into account in your plans.
People are often proud of the way they have managed to rebuild after storms, and this is fine if you’re talking about storms that only happen once a century or so. But as storms become more frequent the financial resources to rebuild every few years will dwindle away. The best time to move is when things have recovered nicely from the most recent storm, but well before the next one. Of course, if it looks like recovery isn’t going to happen, then it’s time to get out, regardless of the cost.
It always astonishes me the way people are willing, perhaps even eager, to build or move into accommodation on the floodplains of rivers. The story is always that the river floods only very rarely and hasn’t flooded in a long time. Now that sounds to me like a promise that flooding can be expected shortly even without climate change. But as climate change brings more violent storms even outside the tropics and changes in the pattern of precipitation and spring melting of the winter snow pack, more frequent floods are a certainty. So don’t be fooled when moving into a new area—stay away from floodplains and areas likely to be undercut by erosion.
Heat waves are becoming more common everywhere, but particularly in the tropics. Many areas will eventually get to the point where they will be uninhabitable for large parts of the year if you don’t have air conditioning or housing designed to cope. As always, the poor will be hardest hit.
The lack of water can be just as much of a problem as too much.
Already deserts are expanding and they will continue to do so, consuming the semi desert areas surrounding the desert where people have been living and are now forced to leave. This is already happening in North Africa and the Middle East and is the root cause of a lot of political unrest.
Droughts are becoming more common and are striking areas that traditionally have not suffered droughts. The Pacific Northwest, including California and British Columbia, is one such example. Even areas such as the one where I live, which is getting slightly more precipitation overall, are suffering from changes in when the precipitation happens. In the case of southern Ontario, we’re getting more precipitation in fall, winter and spring but less in the summer. This is a problem for agriculture hereabouts, which has traditionally relied on getting a sufficient rain in the summer.
There are areas in the southwest of the U.S. that have traditionally been seen as deserts, but during the twentieth century were made to bloom, using water from pump from fossil aquifers and rivers dammed and diverted. Unfortunately the aquifers are just about depleted and all the water in the rivers is being used while demand still grows. As precipitation decreases and temperatures increase even at higher altitudes, there is less accumulation of snow and glaciers melt away, meaning that rivers fed by melting snow and ice run dry earlier in the summer, if they run at all.
There is a great deal to be said about areas outside of North America, but this would require a lot more research on my part and delay the publication of this post even more. But I was reading recently that Spain and Portugal are experiencing a severe drought, and it is expected to get worse.
People have difficultly responding rationally to these sorts of problems. Slowly increasing temperatures, slowly rising sea levels and slowly spreading desertification are the kind of thing that we tend to let future generations worry about, thinking it’s not going to happen here, not just yet anyway. Then one day it does happen and many are caught unprepared.
Catastrophes that happen irregularly and unpredictably, like storms, heat waves, droughts and forest fires, are the kind of thing we live through and convince ourselves won’t be happening again anytime soon. But as climate change progresses, they will become ever more frequent and more difficult to recover from.
Don’t be caught in denial—where ever you are, you’ll be experiencing some negative effects from climate change. But in some places, those effects will be overwhelming and the only viable response is to move away. Better to be well ahead of the rush. If you own property, better to get it sold while there are still buyers who haven’t caught on to what’s happening.
So, you’re looking for a place that is, and will continue to be:
- well above sea level
- not at the top of a bluff overlooking the sea that is being gradually eroded away
- not situated so as to take the full brunt of tropical storms
- not in the floodplain of a river
- not in a desert or semi-desert that relies on water from fossil aquifers that are being depleted faster than they are replenished or rivers fed by glacial melt water
- not subject to hot season temperatures or heat waves that are not survivable if the power goes out or you can’t afford air conditioning
- receiving enough rain to allow for agriculture
- with a growing season and soil that will support agriculture
In addition to the problems caused by climate change, the other two main concerns of this blog (resource depletion and economic contraction) are going to see most of us becoming quite a bit poorer, and not relying on anything that uses much energy, including shipping things in from far away. Most of our own food will have to be grown locally and the smaller amount of “stuff” we consume will be made locally.
In a future post (coming soon) I’ll be talking about coping with the challenge of finding and fitting into a community that can survive under these conditions. For now I’ll just say don’t assume that collapse will relieve you of the necessity of earning a living in the growth based capitalist economy. It’s going to take a long time to switch over to a low energy, low consumption, non-growth economy and in the meantime, most of us will have to keep a foot in both worlds, and initially mainly in the currently existing world.
So any plan for a move will have to take into account the necessity of earning a living where ever you go. You may well find that the pressure of earning a living pushes you in the opposite direction from what collapse related planning would indicate is best.
Next time I’ll look at the socio-economic side of things—the problems caused when we are surrounded by too many people and by too few, often at the same time.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 11:40 am
A statement like that shows how agenda centric you are and how scientifically illiterate you are because of it.
The usual name-calling and no data. What is so difficult in understanding dividing GDP by energy consumption?
Well?
You are just jealous and can’t admit that you are a bunch of energy wasters and that Europe leads the way in all things related to energy, where you simply try to burn as much fossil fuel as you can.
Davy on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 12:05 pm
neder, my panels are on a post mount next to my outdoor wood boiler on the side of the house. They are easy to reach. They are attractive and cool looking. They are talking points with visitors. My batteries, inverter, charger and transfer switches are in the open in the house to see and talk about. I did this to teach others. I like my panels clean like numbnut auto aficionados like their cars washed. Maybe if you were not inside online so much you might find the time to clean your panels and squeeze out a little more power to make Europe great again.
Davy on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 12:12 pm
“The usual name-calling and no data. What is so difficult in understanding dividing GDP by energy consumption?”
Name calling??? Neder, this is like the 5th time you posted you goofy statement. Dividing GDP by energy consumption is only part of the story and it is not related to making a million bucks.
Well?
“You are just jealous and can’t admit that you are a bunch of energy wasters and that Europe leads the way in all things related to energy, where you simply try to burn as much fossil fuel as you can.”
Yes, Americans waste more energy than a Euro but there is more to it. One issue is we have a huge petrochemical complex that distorts our numbers. We have a huge farm economy so we are exporting energy that way. We have a huge military protecting you lazy Euros. Etc. You can’t just divide GDP by energy and say “see we are better than you”
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 12:15 pm
I’m happy for you Davy that you get so much attention for your panels, but in my town they are now so common that most would not bring them up in a conversation anymore:
https://tinyurl.com/yakqmjrv
In a couple of years everybody will have them, when the prices will have come down to blockboard level.
Sissyfuss on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 7:52 pm
You’re such an arrogant little cunt, Clitler. A person with with all the answers is usually a scared little twit. You reek of the Napoleon complex, a short little runt that has to scream for the intelligentsia to pay any attention. I’m shocked that the asylum gives the patients such easy access to the Internet.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 9:51 pm
“We have a huge military protecting you lazy Euros. Etc. You can’t just divide GDP by energy and say “see we are better than you””
No you liar, you have a huge military with which your owners destroyed and subjugated us and are busy 24/7 to try to conquer the rest of the world. We don’t need your Maffia protection, we need criminals like you, puss and millikike to fall flat on your ugly faces and if the signs are correct, that moment could be immanent. The only arrogant ones with Napolean complexes are you lot.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 10:16 pm
“You can’t just divide GDP by energy and say “see we are better than you”
You can very well say that we are more energy efficient. Don’t sneak in unqualified words like “better”.
After years of carefully studying the “American mind”, I have gained valuable insight in how you people tick, how demoralized you really are and how incredably intellectually weak your positions are, especially regarding history, geopolitical outlook, skeptical views how to deal with the energy, resource and climate crisis and not a beginning of an understanding who is running the show in your tax farm. It is instinctive nihilism, despair, denial and cluelessness whereever you look. And to paper over your insecurity, you resort to repeating the propaganda lines your owners have minted for you to “make sense of the world”, read: to brainwash you into carrying out their globalist agenda and get your kind destroyed in the process:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc
It is bizar.
Cloggie on Sun, 4th Nov 2018 10:31 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6352949/Boris-slams-Mays-Brussels-fudge-urges-cabinet-colleagues-REJECT-deal.html#comments
Brexit could still blow up the West. Imagine the new perspective: the US no longer will have to protect “lazy Euros” and you can protect your own border for a change. Advantages as far as the eye can see!
No?
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 4:37 am
“We don’t need your Maffia protection, we need criminals like you”
Then get off your fat lazy asses and do something about it instead of putting it in committee. You are going down the drain and you know it nedernazi.
“You can’t just divide GDP by energy and say “see we are better than you” “You can very well say that we are more energy efficient. Don’t sneak in unqualified words like “better”.
How much more energy efficient? In the bigger picture not near enough to matter. Your Euro delusional agenda is just more failure. You live beyond your means and with a much higher population in higher density. You have no choice but to be more efficient. Don’t brag about it because it is still very dirty and wasteful you hypocrite.
“After years of carefully studying the “American mind”, I have gained valuable insight in how you people tick, how demoralized you really are and how incredably intellectually weak your positions are, especially regarding history, geopolitical outlook, skeptical views how to deal with the energy, resource and climate crisis and not a beginning of an understanding who is running the show in your tax farm.”
More BS from the board Nazi. You have spent your time isolated on the internet constructing a vast fantasy of what is American. You have never been here except maybe years ago to NY. Now you play the expert revising history and preaching a fantasy future that is solely for the selfish purpose of your own delusional empire motivations. You want to become the worst of what America is added to that a Nazi flavor. You hate that I neuter your lies and exaggerations daily. It is very easy with extremist like you. It does not take much effort because you are not balanced and reality based. Your fantasy has holes a mile wide. The harder you try to reinvent reality the crazier you become.
Brother Nathan of the lord! on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 7:48 am
My bunker is almost finished. In the corner is a years supply of goat and midget porn and in the other corner a still for moonshine!
Yesiree it’ll be just me and the roaches when all you bastards have died.
The peak is here!, behold the end is nigh!
oh the sweet jebus!
I AM THE MOB on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 7:51 am
Wow moonshine! , I’ll come over and share goat conquest stories sometime.
Those little white goats never see me coming!
Sissyfuss on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 7:57 am
Actually you might be right Clog. All peoples have the right to self determination and the indigenous white Europeans are not happy.
I totally sympathise with your cause.
I am joining my new boyfriend Brother Nathanin his ‘fuhrer’ bunker. There we can wait the imminent downfall of Germaine Greer and those other really important relics of the past : “the antifas bum boys!”
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:00 am
MOB, cute is not a response It is an expression of failure.
Cloggie on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:01 am
My bunker is finished and it runs on 100% green energy! I have no way of defending it though. I hope those brave American boys can come and save me when I need them.
I have hardly any goat and midget porn here, its actually illegal here in the Nederlands!
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:04 am
What goats or porn? Lol. You have Amsterdam where anything goes.
The Americans are there now protecting you so you can say bad things about America.
The bastard of the North on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:09 am
in my bunker I have real goats and real midgets!
Not all of them are cooperating but I am teaching them the new ways!
Cloggie on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:11 am
That is davy steeling my nick and next commenting himself three minutes later. He has no patience letting pass some time. He is just as much as a forum corrupter as Mob.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:16 am
If Sissyfuss ain’t in blue, it ain’t true.
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:36 am
Sorry neder why would I need to steel your identity over something so stupid? BTW, I don’t appreciate the accusation after what I have been through over a month.
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:38 am
Probably JuanPee again playing his games. The last
Comment from neder does not look legit either
JuanP on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:40 am
Bastard “in my bunker I have real goats and real midgets!”
YOU DA MAN!
JuanP on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:43 am
I think there are at least three different people posting as JuanP lately. I am the new JuanP! Should I change my name to Davy?
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:45 am
JuanPee and his multiple personalities conversing. Lol. Can’t you discuss ideas? Give us some RT links or something.
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:47 am
JuanPee you have been outed so play all the games you like. They just paint the same picture of mental illness parading around ruining discussions here.
JuanP on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 8:53 am
I, for one, have no idea who posted the comments above, but this has been happening a lot lately; someone claims They are me, and then they post another comment in my name denying that they posted the previous post. ROFLMFAO! This is so fucking insane. I think it is hilarious and I want to congratulate the person doing it.
I haven’t been around much because I am very busy. I am starting a new urban farm project built on three extremely urban plots totaling more than three acres. I am very happy about it. Unfortunately, this forum was ruined by Davy.
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 9:05 am
“This is so fucking insane.”
classic JuanP insanity
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 10:49 am
Sorry about thefting your identity again nedernazi, dumbass pussy. I get jealous sometimes of you’re stupid eurotard Amsterdam red light places. Goat sex is not legal in the Ozarks but I’m one of the more lucky ones. The local sheriff is my grandfather- half brother, ( it’s complacated ) and he likes to watch me and my goats. Sometimes we bring a goat into my living room so we can watch all the lights flashing on the solar system at the same time. The goats can get all tangled in the wires sometimes. That makes it extra exciting.
Davy on Mon, 5th Nov 2018 12:18 pm
“NUTTER ALERT” JUANP IDENTITY THEFT
claes on Tue, 6th Nov 2018 9:58 pm
Please Davy, Pukeoil has hit a new low, and it doesn’t deserve that.
Why not focus on the fact that Homo sapiens has become a mortal pest in its own environment.
Solution: Let Donald break down the world economy and with it the american and chinese over consumerism.
I’m a great fan of MAGA as long as it slows down world wide consumption, with hopefully less CO2, toxins and destruction of biotopes.
Sleep tight
Makati1 on Tue, 6th Nov 2018 10:09 pm
Davy is reaching a new level of insanity. Soon he will not be able to do anything but drool, mumble incoherent bullshit (he does that now), and try to get it up to fuck his goats. It’s fun watching him disintegrate, just like his beloved empire. The sooner the better.
claes on Tue, 6th Nov 2018 11:03 pm
While we should respond to all kinds of global collapse, instead we see two elderly men collapsing into their own mental whirlpools.
I’ll probably be there in due time my self.
But not yet.
claes on Tue, 6th Nov 2018 11:12 pm
I guess that’s why apnea had to change into a mob… just to save his own sanity, but alas, he couldn’t escape him self.
Cloggie on Tue, 6th Nov 2018 11:57 pm
I guess that’s why apnea had to change into a mob…
Indeed.
just to save his own sanity, but alas, he couldn’t escape him self.
He doesn’t want to escape from himself, he just wants to hide his true identity, after having been called “TalmudTurk” a little too often. These people thrive on deception. They love to wage war (against us) as snipers, from a cover.
Next time we are going to skip the railway session.
Makati1 on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 1:42 am
“…we see two elderly men collapsing into their own mental whirlpools.” claes, maybe you are already there? You assume too much about others. look in the mirror.
And whom are you referring to? There are a number of intelligent, mature, rational adults here who see the world in different ways. Unless you live in their location, have their education and experience, you have zero idea what it is like there or why they say what they do. Zero.
We get viewpoints from all over the world here. Most of us agree that the US is in the shutter and heading down the drain. What do you think? After all you are just one of 7.5+ billion viewpoints in the world today.
Makati1 on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 1:50 am
“We have a huge military protecting you lazy Euros.”
Correction, “we have an antique military trying to promote a war with Russia against the EU.”
The US cannot even build any modern military equipment with out fuck-ups, like the newest aircraft carrier without elevators to lift bombs up to the deck. $13,000,000,000.00+ and it is still worthless. Then there is the T35 that may never meet its original promises after $1,000,000,000,000.00+ spent over 14+ years. And some of the parts come from… CHINA! The US is a paper tiger. LMAO
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 3:33 am
“Davy is reaching a new level of insanity.”
Billy you are worn out and irrelevant anymore. You gang is disbanded. JuanP is so bad that he is stealing identities and playing puppeteer games with sock puppets. You two are taking this board down with your won irrelevance. It won’t be long you and Juan will be gone too and this board will find some stability. You are here less and less. Just a matter of time.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 3:38 am
“The US cannot even build any modern military equipment with out fuck-ups, like the newest aircraft carrier without elevators to lift bombs up to the deck.”
Not a big deal billy. You act like you even understand the elevator issue because you read it was an issue on ZH. Nothingburger
“Then there is the T35”
“T”35? You don’t even know what you are talking about. There is no “T”35 stupid
“And some of the parts come from… CHINA! The US is a paper tiger. LMAO”
AAh, that called globalism. China sources parts globally too stupid.
Billy quit talking military issue it makes you look dumb.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 3:41 am
claes we don’t really know who you are and if you are talking like “I guess that’s why apnea had to change into a mob…” I tend to think you are a nedersock. Between the identity theft and the sock puppeteering this forum has sunk to new lows.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 3:48 am
“…we see two elderly men collapsing into their own mental whirlpools.” claes, maybe you are already there? You assume too much about others. look in the mirror.”
LMFAO, sock or not you got that right claes! Billy is pushing 80 and cloggie is pushing 70 so yea, these guys are on the down hill.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 4:55 am
Do you people have any understanding of how much I love the cock?
It’s a very straight forward question, lame brains.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 4:59 am
The big beautiful ebony cock thrusting and releasing, thrusting and releasing.
Give me a big black cock any time and any where.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 5:06 am
“NUTTER ALERT” JUANP IS UP AND ABOUT PLAYING WITH SOCKS AND STEALING IDENTITIES
boney joe on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 4:49 am
Poor Piss. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Go have a good cry, then return with a better attitude.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 5:01 am Cock anyone? Imagine a big, beautiful ebony cock thrusting and releasing, thrusting and releasing. Give me a big black cock any time and any where.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 4:55 am Do you people have any understanding of how much I love the cock? It’s a very straight forward question, lame brains.
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 4:59 am The big beautiful ebony cock thrusting and releasing, thrusting and releasing. Give me a big black cock any time and any where.
claes on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 5:32 am
I’m stunned. This site really has deteriorated if we are not talking some kind of ID-theft or sabotage here.
What ever it be, my opinion isn’t that important, so I think I’ll just back out and wish you all good luck in the future.
Sleep tight
Makati1 on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 5:59 am
Davy stop pretending to know it all. You don’t. Not even close. Yes, I made a typo and wrote T35 instead of F35. But you understood that I meant the failure called the F35. You could not refute it so you resorted to putdowns, as usual.
The US is in the shitter and swirling down the drain. A ‘has been’ country being destroyed so the One World Government can evolve. That change is being supported by your ‘partners’ China and Russia and the IMF/SWIFT systems. The dollar is going down. It’s only a matter of time and the time is getting short.
The Us is a joke. It outsources it’s components for its military systems and has to buy rocket engines from Russia because it cannot build reliable ones itself. In fact, it cannot build anything reliable anymore. China, however, and Russia, CAN build their own advanced systems from scratch because they still have factories and intelligent people, both lacking in the Us today.
Tough luck being born about 25 years too late. America was great when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s. Not so great now. Third world in fact, if the government’s lies were exposed. LOL
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 6:13 am
“Davy stop pretending to know it all. You don’t. Not even close. Yes, I made a typo and wrote T35 instead of F35. But you understood that I meant the failure called the F35. You could not refute it so you resorted to putdowns, as usual.”
Billy, who is irrelevant now and left with only putdowns? LOL. Where is the gang that gave you so much comfort? Another LOL. You are drifting off into irrelevance it is almost over billy. On the F35 note. It is more than a typo billy, you don’t know wht you are talking about. The F35 is in production and it is being tweaked. It is working and effective. It cost too much but it is here and it is an effective platform. The F35 issues you bing up constantly will go away just like your preaching about the Bric bank.
“The US is in the shitter and swirling down the drain. A ‘has been’ country being destroyed so the One World Government can evolve. That change is being supported by your ‘partners’ China and Russia and the IMF/SWIFT systems. The dollar is going down. It’s only a matter of time and the time is getting short.”
Nonsense billy, China is falling apart and Russia is not achieving it goals. The US is falling apart too. The SWIFT system still stands and nobody is making a dent in it. The Russian system is irrelevant. Russia is not a big enough economic power to matter in the big picture. Kudos to Russia for coming up with an alternative but it is still nothing to preach about like your hilarious attempts.
“The Us is a joke. It outsources it’s components for its military systems and has to buy rocket engines from Russia because it cannot build reliable ones itself. In fact, it cannot build anything reliable anymore. China, however, and Russia, CAN build their own advanced systems from scratch because they still have factories and intelligent people, both lacking in the Us today.”
More nonsense from the board anti-American agendist. Everything in your mind is anti-American which makes your message so easy to sink with a reality missile. LOL.
“Tough luck being born about 25 years too late. America was great when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s. Not so great now. Third world in fact, if the government’s lies were exposed. LOL”
More nonsense out of the senile old man. I grew up in the 60-70-80’s and it was fine billy. Tough luck pushing 80 and getting ready for assisted care.
Makati1 on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 6:42 am
Sorry, Davy, but I am going to be around long after you are gone. Obviously my mental health is much better than yours, as I am normal and sane, and my physical health is very good also. I’ve got at least 15 to 20 more years. (74 is not “pushing 80”). You, on the other hand, live a very stressful life there in crazy land. It is only going to get much more stressful as time goes by. And more dangerous and restrictive in the police state.
BTW: You have NO idea what is was like in the 50s and 60s. You were still a snotty little kid by the 70s and the US was already disintegrating. By the time you understood what was happening, if you ever did, it was already slipping into the 3rd world. The dollar turned to Charmin in 71′. By the 80s it was already shrinking with double digit inflation and interest rates. It has been downhill ever since. Slip slidin’…
Davy on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 7:32 am
Sorry, Davy, but I am going to be around long after you are gone.
Yea, in assisted living in Philly. LOL
“I’ve got at least 15 to 20 more years. (74 is not “pushing 80”).
Maybe 10 and maybe in poor health. You don’t have health insurance and you are living with tropical disease and other nasty 3rd world things.
“You, on the other hand, live a very stressful life”
Billy, I have a wonderful life with more than a could have hoped for. Farm, great family, my animals. You are renting a little grandfather room from people who are not your family. One screw up and you are homeless. Living on a SS check in a country set to go into bad inflation.
“BTW: You have NO idea what is was like in the 50s and 60s.
I grew up in the 60’s billy and I remember it well. The 70’s weren’t that bad either. During the 80’s I lived in Europe. I can’t complain about any of those decades. Obviously things went downhill for you and the reason why you whine daily. You are irrelevant and your gang disbanded. You are all alone now except for crazy JuanPee.
Slipped and gone
JuanP on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 7:51 am
Delusional Davy “It won’t be long you and Juan will be gone …”
More delusions from the board’s craziest asshole. I won’t give Davy the pleasure of living. He has repeatedly said that he hates my being here and wants me to go; that just makes me want to stay longer. LOL! Davy ruined this board with his lies, insults, and abuse.
JuanP on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 7:53 am
Sorry, board, but Davy has been insulting me for days, so I feel highly motivated to insult him back. Things here will be very nasty until at least next year.
JuanP on Wed, 7th Nov 2018 7:55 am
That should have been leaving, not livng. He also makes me want to live longer, just to be able to fuck with him.