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Overpopulation and Its Effects
Overpopulation reigns as one of the most eminent dangers facing mankind today; and conveniently remains tremendously overlooked. Most people can acknowledge the threats of global warming, the lack of food and clean drinking water, the epidemic of nearly 6,000 new children being placed in orphanages each day in the United States alone; sadly, more than 14,000 of them will grow up never having been adopted (“Orphan statistics,” 2017). But, not nearly as many people recognize the root of the problem: the exponential growth in the population of human beings (“Effects of overpopulation,” 2013, Nov. 20).
The Earth’s resources are vastly limited and will reach a point of complete, total and utter depletion if a more sustainable global population and way of life is not achieved. The Earth currently supports nearly four times the sustainable human community (“Current population,” 2017). This optimum population, is measured and defined by the European standard of living (which annually consumes, by comparison, only half, that of a single American) (“Current population,” 2017) (Hantal, 2016).
The planet cannot, does not, and will not support a world community of 7.5 billion individuals-the current global population (“Current world population,” 2017). Despite projections that the statistic of 9.5 billion people stands as the absolute maximum population that could exist on Earth, the lifespan of this existence would be short lived and is expected to be reached by the year 2050 (Wolchover, 2011, Oct. 11) (Kochhar, 2014, Feb. 3).
In America, energy is primarily consumed through products of nonrenewable sources; only 10 percent of the total energy consumed was through geothermal, wind, biomass, solar, hydro, tidal or other renewable energy outlets. Nearly 90 percent of the globe’s energy consumption is obtained through sources that take centuries, even millenniums to form. At the current rate of depletion, these resources will not exist for the next generation (“World energy use,” 2017).
A variety of reasons exist as to why an individual would even consider intentionally bearing offspring. Millennials, more than any other generation, consider the effects being had on the future of the planet as compared to blindly bringing children into the world. Certainly, ignorance has contributed to the exponential growth in population and unfortunately remains too relevant today. If one was educated and “conditioned” from birth that they as an individual should only have one child, and that their first option should be adopting an orphan, this would maintain and balance the population.
Clean water is yet another issue that causes detrimental effects to the people of the world. Water waste in America is rampant. From the 13 gallons of clean, drinkable water quite literally going down the drain to flush toilets to the 17 additional gallons wasted annually in the shower, we quite clearly are failing to make any efforts as to sustainability (“Toilet,” 2017) (“Showers,” 2017) (“FAQs,” 2017). Meanwhile, nearly 800 million individuals suffer consequences of dehydration, poisoning and other repercussions as a result of issues in the clean water supply; more than 16,000 of these individuals die daily (“Facts and figures,” 2013).
The resource of Land is also being depleted exponentially and will need to see a total overhaul and redesign of farming practices if it is to sustain any human population in the next century. Unfortunately, we are already living as if we have access to more land than we do; the earth cannot sustain a population any larger than what it is today. Already, one in 3 people do not have shelter and more than eighty percent of the total surface area of the earth is “unusable” for human purposes of housing or agriculture ( Shah, 2013, Jan. 7) (Pianka, 2017) (Sharp, 2012, Sept 17).
The connection between unemployment, a failing economy, and unavailability in shelter is evident-the cause: overpopulation. Certainly human reproduction is natural and necessary to some extent, for the species to survive; and ironically so, provided the fact that reproduction may be the thing that wipes humankind off the face of the planet forever.
The government has a liability to look out for its people. Through education, great advancements can be made to saving and ensuring the progression of society. Certainly more benefits would follow, such as a potential for world peace one day, eliminating national strains and bonds over nonrenewable energy, shifting human ideologies to highlight the power of its resourcefulness and not its accumulation of materialistic items, instilling a desire to give back and be rich in life and experiences rather than dollared wealth. While a sensitive topic this issue requires advocation.
43 Comments on "Overpopulation and Its Effects"
Here we go again on Fri, 21st Sep 2018 9:45 pm
Men like to screw and women enjoy having babies. Need I say more….
makati1 on Fri, 21st Sep 2018 10:08 pm
“The per capita PPP GWP in 2017 was approximately US$17,300 according to the World Factbook.”
That “fact” proves that it is distribution of resources, not over population, that is the problem.
2017 US federal poverty level was $15,060. putting the average world citizen above poverty, IF the world was not divided by the haves and the have-nots.
Western greed is the problem, not population. The US consumes FOUR times its fair share. Or, in other words, the same resources could support the entire population of China at world average PPP levels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_world_product
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp-per-capita-ppp
https://www.peoplekeep.com/blog/2017-federal-poverty-level-guidelines
China’s PPP GDP per capita was $15,300. in 2017. About $240 above the US poverty line.
I can say that I am living quite comfortably on less than that $15,060. average. Much less. You can too, if you didn’t live in a greedy, capitalist, profit oriented country.
Americans, can you get a very good haircut for $2? I can and do. Can you visit a specialist doctor and only pay $12 TOTAL, no insurance coverage to pay the balance? I can and do. My average total medical expenses (doctor/dentist/meds) are less than $70 per year and I am 74. What are yours? lol
makati1 on Fri, 21st Sep 2018 10:15 pm
BTW: Another 80 million mouths only reduces the average by about 1% each year. So, this year the PPP average would be about $180 less than in 2017. Yes, in a few decades that will add up but most of the world exists on a lot less and could do so even 50 years from now. Not that climate change is going to let us increase by 80M/yr for much longer. The world population is going to be significantly reduced by Mother Nature, or nukes.
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 1:06 am
Today’s wrap-up of green news:
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/21/china-seeks-to-achieve-grid-price-parity-for-wind-solar/
China Seeks To Achieve “Grid Price Parity” For Wind & Solar
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/21/ing-to-steer-e500-billion-portfolio-towards-paris-agreement-goals/
Dutch banking giant ING steers 500 billion into climate goals
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/21/new-jersey-makes-way-for-1-1-gigawatt-offshore-wind/
Now you’re talking: New Jersey to build 1.1 GW offshore wind park. Now 5 GW in the pipeline.
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/20/1600-volkswagen-electric-trucks-for-brazil/
1600 Volkswagen e-trucklets for Brazil.
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/20/chipmaker-renesas-makes-plans-for-autonomous-vehicles-with-6-7b-deal/
“it is never going to work” latest: Japanese company invest 7 billion in autonomous driving.
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 3:37 am
Gotta give the Repubicons an “A” for creativity. Have you heard the latest Republican explanation for what happened to Dr. Ford at the party where she was assaulted by Brent Kavanaugh? They now acknowledge she was attacked, but not by Kavanaugh. Instead she was assaulted by his doppleganger.
I guess the strategy is to throw as much shit as possible against the wall and see if something sticks. Unbelievable.
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 4:04 am
Dr. Ford wants an FBI investigation to determine the truth. Brent Kavanaugh stated that he does want an FBI investigation.
Gee, I wonder why?
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 4:26 am
So, Mak, are the Chinese and Asians satisfied with their current standard of living? Hell no, which is why 25.000 new/new vehicles hit the roads in China every 24 hours, which is why China is now the largest consumer of oil. The Chinese and Asians strive to reach US standards. To suggest Asians will retard growth so there’s more to go around for everyone else is pure fantasy.
You want us to believe “western greed” is the root cause since greed is nonexistent in Asia. You’re deceiving yourself, Mak.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 5:28 am
DerHundistLos
Just remember taking the moral high ground with Republicans is futile, because they are perfectly fine with being evil..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 5:36 am
Clogg
Your sources are “Astroturfing”..
makati1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 5:43 am
Der, how do you know what they think? BTW, the Chinese are not the largest consumer of oil, if you subtract what they are putting in storage, what they export as refined liquids, manufactured goods, etc. It depends on how you define “consume” After all, it takes 4 times the population of the Us to even come close to “consuming the amount of oil the US does.
The collapse is going to limit their ‘growth’ to levels similar to today, or lower. The world consumption will equalize after. And the US will be at their level, not anywhere near that of today. Wait and see.
BTW: Greed is a human trait taken to the highest extreme by Americans. Yes, they want a better life, but it will not happen. But, you can be sure that YOUR lifestyle is in for a huge deflation soon. I hope you are preparing or it. Can YOU live on $10,000 per year?
Jaz on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 6:20 am
Makati1
Global wealth distribution is very bad and is the cause of many problems.
However even if wealth was equally distributed the world could not feed, house and provide power to 7.6 billion and counting.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
In China wealth has increased to average global PPP in the last 15 years. The consequence has been terrible.
http://www.beijing1980.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/160904-bruce6.jpg
It has gone from consuming 2 million barrels of oil per day to consuming 13.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1501705/beijing-sees-55km-long-stretch-traffic-amid-may-day-holiday
Most importantly we are losing 24 billion tonnes of soil each year.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/12/third-of-earths-soil-acutely-degraded-due-to-agriculture-study
The more people there are the more land goes under the plough.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 7:20 am
“I guess the strategy is to throw as much shit as possible against the wall and see if something sticks. Unbelievable.”
“Kunstler: “The Line Between Truth & Untruth Has Turned All Squishy”
https://tinyurl.com/y9d4daga
“My own sense of the situation is that Christine Blasey Ford’s accusations are going exactly nowhere, no matter how carefully and elaborately conditions are set for her to lay out her case. It couldn’t be more firmly established that she doesn’t remember what year or what place the alleged necking happened in. Is she going to change that part of the story now? Surely lawyers, gumshoes, and phrenologists on the Democratic Party payroll would like to engineer some magic memory retrieval so she’ll be supplied with dates and addresses when her turn at the microphone comes. By the way, the boundary between truth and untruth is one of the lines that has turned all squishy on them. Because they can’t tell anymore, they must assume nobody else can either.”
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 7:40 am
I AM THE MOB
Evil, greedy, selfish about sums up the party and its supporters.
Come now, Fair and Balanced Davy, surely you can do better than the thoroughly debunked faux-prognosticator Kunstler. History has proven the polar opposite position of Kunt will be the correct outcome.
Maybe you can tell us why your political party is demanding a vote NOW on Kavanaugh despite the fact that your party sat on Obama’s nominee for more than one year? Why is your party opposed to an FBI investigation? Why is Brent Kavanaugh unwilling to provide sworn testimony before the FBI? Why is Dr. Ford asking for a FBI investigation to determine the truth?
Yep, fair and balanced and neutral as always.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 7:59 am
Not my party der dumb but I will vote their way until the liberal left gets their head out of their asses. You people are intellectual maggots and an embarrassment to the truth. I want to support real liberalism with honesty and meaning. I am looking for honest leadership not hypocritical liars like Obama. I don’t care for science denying bible thumping conservatives but they are not as bad as what I am seeing out of your cabal. Trump is horrible but he is exposing your lies. The games you people are playing these days disgusts me. You, der dumb, are as blind as they come probably because you are pushing 90. Old men are bad about getting stuck in ruts of dementia and senility.
“Maybe you can tell us why your political party is demanding a vote NOW on Kavanaugh despite the fact that your party sat on Obama’s nominee for more than one year?”
Der dumb, why did your party wait until the 11 hours to drop these accusations?? Maybe for political effect!!
“Why is your party opposed to an FBI investigation?”
Why did the FBI decline to investigate?
“Why is Brent Kavanaugh unwilling to provide sworn testimony before the FBI?”
Do you have documentation of that? He was vetted by the FBI.
“ Why is Dr. Ford asking for a FBI investigation to determine the truth?”
Ford is playing games with a democratic advisor telling her what to do.
“Was Kavanaugh Accusation An Orchestrated Hit Involving Fmr Anita Hill Adviser?”
https://tinyurl.com/yaer2lje
“The recording features Ricki Seidman – a former Clinton and Obama White House official and Democratic operative who advised Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings, and who was revealed on Thursday as an adviser to Ford by Politico. Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were both teenagers, is being advised by Democratic operative Ricki Seidman. Seidman, a senior principal at TSD Communications, in the past worked as an investigator for Sen. Ted Kennedy, and was involved with Anita Hill’s decision to testify against Supreme Court Nominee Clarence Thomas. –Politico”
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:02 am
Mak-
I live most of the year at my 1.897 hectare wildlife reserve in Colombia. We produce all of our own food- fruits and vegetables and nuts of such variety it boggles the mind. The lakes and some streams are populated with invasive yet delicious trout. We have tremendous pristine water resources that also serve as a mini-hydro electrical plant. We are isolated from the masses and we can defend ourselves if necessary, although I doubt it will be since the country is sparsely populated and the people are kind, friendly, and considerate. The Andes mountain range areas, which include Medellin and Bogota, are primarily populated with descendants from the Basque mountains of Spain (border area between France and Spain) and Germans. I am fluent in Spanish and German. And Colombia is in the Southern hemisphere. It’s no surprise rich Americans are buying up properties and building personal retreats for when the shit hits the fan.
No need for AC. No need for window screens. Perfectly balanced ecosystem. Temps. range from a high of 75 to 80 F daytime to 50 nightime. Abundant rainfall during the PM hours.
Anontarded1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:48 am
dertard, any reason why witholding evidence of probing? stand by alien theory and prove it or shut up
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:52 am
“It’s no surprise rich Americans are buying up properties and building personal retreats for when the shit hits the fan.”
right der hund, a rich American running for the hills instead of doing something local that makes a difference then speaking bad about his own country like a hypocrite.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:55 am
There are four very failure cures for overpopulation. They ride horses..
Anontarded1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:57 am
mobthetard this article is a commercial for islam. muslims gain is all about birth. it’s a tarded article and you bought into it.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 8:58 am
DerHundistLos
You can’t argue with davy..He a religious nut job and inheritance class..
Don’t worry he will be gulaged in a few years..
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 9:02 am
MM, you and der hund can’t because neither of you talk intelligently and backup what you say with facts. You are too far gone into preaching a lost agenda to dare include facts.
BTW, what is the deal with your new ignorant handle? Just another example of how short of intellectual content you are. I am the mob…LOL
Anonymouse1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 9:02 am
supertard (pbuh) are several levels above dertard. anyone who is a liar about cattle mutilation and refused to provide evidence of anal probing is mentally defective. sick!
onlooker on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 9:47 am
Population is the root manner we are in overshoot as it makes every other limits to growth problem worse
onlooker on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 9:48 am
Sorry Overpopulation
Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 10:04 am
“Don’t worry he will be gulaged in a few years..”
Indeed, if it were up to you, millimind.
But then these 300 million firearms. Dunno.
And them Europe, Russia and China standing by, dividing the imperial loot outside the US amongst themselves.
Bring it one, millimind and see what happens next.lol
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 10:12 am
Davy-
On the bright side, you’re located exactly where you belong.
If climate change does not get you first, then for sure your “neighbors” will.
Enjoy.
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 10:29 am
Mak-
Forgot to add that we have more biodiversity in Colombia than any other country. As an example, Colombia is indigenous to an amazing 1.877 bird species and more than 4.000 different orchid species!!!! Between 10 and 15% of all the world’s species are native to Colombia.
The Garden of Eden for sure.
Davy on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 11:13 am
Der hund, on the bright side it is called being there for your family and not running like a cowards to a fake paradise. You and billy are fake and cowards. Both of you are near the ends of your pathetic lives and could give a shit about family.
Anontarded1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 11:51 am
guys, i’m very disappointed in supertard eugen webber. they don’t make supertards like they used to. i’m disillusioned today as you see.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 11:51 am
Stop all that thugary Davy, you living in luxury..
Anontarded1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 12:11 pm
mobtard (swt) all i see is you attacking supertard (pbuh, swt)
makati1 on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 6:55 pm
Der, and how much of that “wildlife” will survive the first year of collapse? And, most of the year is not all year. Do you visit the US occasionally and actually live in Columbia?
True, south of the equator is better then north, but it will still suffer global warming and climate change. Your rich neighbors will have an army of security guards that may or may not stay loyal. To be wealthy in a poor country is only asking to be killed. Especially when the SHTF. Ask a Venezuelan.
It sounds like a great place to live … today, but after, when all of the edible “wildlife” has ended up in a stew pot? Just asking. Same problem here.
Yes, the Ps is in the same position as far as food goes, but I’ll take my chances here. The US is the last place I want to be when the SHTF. Too many guns, too much insanity, too many drugs and too many greedy, spoiled, brainwashed people. Not to mention that over 50% of the country is subject to sub freezing temps for a lot of the year. Brrrr!
BTW: “Some 4% of the world’s population has consumed cocaine in his or her life. That is almost 300 million people. Approximately half of this cocaine comes from Colombia.
In 2016, 18 million people used the illicit drug worldwide, consuming much of the hundreds of 1,400 tons of cocaine produced in the Andean region, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.
The demand for the drug comes primarily from the United States and Europe, but South America has also grown into a major consumption market.”
https://data.colombiareports.com/colombia-drug-trafficking/
That is going to bring huge problems to your country when the SHTF, I think.
DerHundistLos on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 10:27 pm
These are the fundamental differences between Colombia and the Philippines:
Colombia’s Population density equals to 40.6 capita per square kilometer with a global rank of 153 compared to Philippines’s Population density is almost nine times greater and equals to 358.9 capita per square kilometer with a global rank of 27.
The total land area of Colombia is approximately four times larger than the Philippines 428.380 square miles vs. 115.831 square miles.
Colombia’s Population Growth equals to 1.07 % (almost exactly on par with replacement) with a global rank of 109 compared to Philippines’s Population Growth which equals to 1.81 % with a global rank of 63. The population of the Philippines is on track to double in just 38 years.
Colombia’s Total Population equals to 42.2 million compared to Philippines’s Total Population which equals to 107.7 million.
I AM THE MOB on Sat, 22nd Sep 2018 11:43 pm
Total Systemic Failure? (Garnett, 2018) Science of the Total Environment
https://www.scribd.com/document/389230704/Total-Systemic-Failure-Garnett-2018-Science-of-the-Total-Environment
makati1 on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 12:44 am
Der, stats do not prove what will happen when the SHTF. They are mostly government bullshit, to promote whatever they are selling. Usually themselves. You have a huge drug problem, way outside every other country except the US and Afghanistan. You have the drug thug mafia big time.
As I mentioned, all the edible “wildlife” will not survive the first year. The pets will go next. THAT is how it works. If half the ‘news’ coming out of Venezuela is true, that is the future for most countries, even the US. Especially the US. Your “wildlife” preserve is just an unharvested food source waiting to be consumed.
BTW: 49,464 000+ plus people. About half the population of the Philippines (106,500+) without the fishing resources of two oceans. (2018 est.)
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/colombia-population/
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/philippines-population/
True, they have similar climates, but the Philippines is also surrounded by two oceans which moderate temps and climate better than a landlocked country. I guess only time will tell who is in the best place to ride out the storm, 7,000+ islands or the Andes. Good luck!
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 1:06 am
I am just here for the gangbang post collapse..
I AM THE MOB on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 1:33 am
Ministers warn hard Brexit may break up the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/22/hard-brexit-risks-breakup-uk-conservatives-warn
DerHundistLos on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 2:05 am
Mak-
“Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines are illegal executions – unlawful or felonious killings – and forced disappearances in the Philippines being carried out at the direction of the office of the president and has resulted in the deaths of thousands.”
~~Wikipedia~~
“Stats do not prove what will happen when the SHTF. They are mostly government bullshit.”
Well, if you refuse to accept basic facts as presented by the United Nations and independent third parties, then why do you quote sources? Based on your reasoning, all facts are BS. It’s more likely you don’t like the way facts portray the Phils so you just deny.
So, according to your “facts”: What is the population density of the Phils? What is the population? What is the population growth rate? What is the total land area?
“You have a huge drug problem, way outside every other country except the US.”
How do you know this to be true since you don’t believe facts. By the way, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, drug addiction rates are far higher in the Phils than Colombia, which explains why the dictator president enacted a policy of murdering drug users.
“As I mentioned, all the edible “wildlife” will not survive the first year. The pets will go next.”
The reason I showed the comparative statistics of Colombia and the Phils. is to demonstrate the stark differences. Colombia has 1/3 of the population of Phils, is four times larger in land size, a large population growth rate that will double the population in 38 years, and a staggering drug problem that’s being dealt with by extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances.
DerHundistLos on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 2:11 am
Correction:
“Colombia has 1/3 of the population of Phils and is four times larger in land size. Phils. has a very large population growth rate of 1.81% that will double the population in 38 years, and a staggering drug problem that’s being dealt with by extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances.
DerHundistLos on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 4:32 am
Mak-
We do agree 100% that the last place in the world to be living when collapse arrives is the US. It will be a bloodbath without equal in human history. The level of hatred and anger that exists is off the charts.
The living will envy the dead.
DerHundistLos on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 4:58 am
Deforestation due to agriculture, urbanization, illegal logging, and human caused forest fires have eliminated 97% of the Philippines original forests with less than 3% REMAINING. Much of what remains is high-altitude mossy forest or designated loggable secondary forest scheduled for further degradation by Integrated Forest Management Agreements that replace old Timber License Agreements.
Free Speech Message Board on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 5:03 am
Clinton, Clapper, and Lerner are safe from the law because they are part of the Deep State.
Truth-tellers like Alex Jones, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Roosh, and Cody Wilson, however, are in danger because they are a threat to the elites.
makati1 on Sun, 23rd Sep 2018 5:16 am
Facts are always spun by the provider. Even the UN. I post refs because some here say that with out refs, I have no basis for my observations. I try to pick what I think are close to accurate. I usually look at a number of sources to get that feel.
Most things you read about the Ps comes from biased sources. The US still has a lot of pro US people in government here who do not want to see their cushy positions disappear. But that is for another discussion.
The War on drugs here is working. It does not work without severe punishment. The majority of Filipinos support the war and the method. All you have to support your assertion is US MSM propaganda. You do not live here. I do.
BTW: The US has had a “war on Drugs” for at least 20 years and yet, in those 20 years over 1,000,000 Americans have died of drug overdose. If killing a few thousand drug pushers cures the problem, isn’t it worth it? The US must have at least 100,000 pushers who should be killed, not protected by lawyers.
Oh, yes, population:
Columbia: 49,913,668+ https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcasa&type=D111US0G0&p=Population+of+Columbia
Philippines: 106,812,191+ https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcasa&type=D111US0G0&p=Population+of+the+Philippines
My math says that the Ps has 2.14 times that of Columbia, not 3 times? Land are is not reliant. It is how that area is used. There is a lot of unused land here that will be cultivated after the SHTF. It is not needed at this point. Tens of millions here will never notice the collapse.
BTW: We are not talking about some time in 20 years in the future which is only a guess, not fact. We are talking about now. The world will not even be close to what we have now in 20 years, or even 10 years. Collapse will not wait that long. Two to five years max.
Yes, we agree on the US situation. I hope you can get out when the SHTF or before. I hate to even visit as I might get trapped inside the US.