Orlov: Ukrainians on the verge of a nervous breakdown

40 Comments on "Orlov: Ukrainians on the verge of a nervous breakdown"

islander on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 7:34 pm 



Why is this website publishing pro-Russian propaganda?

Northwest Resident on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 7:48 pm 



“Poland quickly responded that it has no interest in annexing former Eastern Poland.”

Yeah. Sure. Play hard to get if you want, but you’re not fooling anybody.

DC on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 7:49 pm 



Whats your problem islander, this website provides links to all sorts of viewpoints. A lot of it, is uS,corporate, zionist propaganda, and much of it comes from the lamestream corporate media, but you’re ok with that I am guessing.

Btw, this website does not ‘publish’ anything, that it is to say, it has no original ‘in-house’ content, at least not in the news section. Some of the members posts may be considered ‘publishing’ I suppose. If you dont like Club Orlov, pop over to his website and tell him yourself you think hes a Russian Propagandist who should just keep quiet. I am pretty sure hes been called\ told worse.

Arthur on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 7:53 pm 



You have to admit that the Russian secret service delivers a lot of bang for no doubt modest buck. Where the NSA has decided to store every conversation of anyone on earth with a phone, and perhaps discovers that some clown in Islamabad is contemplating to perhaps place a car bomb, the Russians managed to cause major league embarrassment *twice* within a matter of weeks.

– “F*** the EU”
– “Blow Putin’s brains out”

Btw, where are the good old days when angelic women baked apple pies rather than barking obscenities into a phone?

The best article I read in weeks about the Crimea/Ukraine situation was from Israel Shamir:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimea-putins-triumph-now-the-confrontation-moves-east-to-new-russia/5374710

Orlov is making a mistake if he thinks that the Ukrainian nationalists/Russophobes will merely get 5%. More likely it will be something like 50/50. But at the same time it remains to be seen if the mutual aversion is so strong that a separation would be preferred. According to Shamir, the Ukraine could be back in one piece in the Russian sphere of influence entirely in a few months time, just like in 2010. I hope he is right. One thing is certain, the people in power in Kiev do not represent the majority of the Ukrainian population.

rollin on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 8:20 pm 



Islander is right, this is definitely Russian propaganda. This site seems to be getting overwhelmed with anti-US, anti-western, pro-Russian propaganda.

J-Gav on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 8:34 pm 



Northwest – I’m not so sure they’re playing hard to get. Poland has enough problems of its own without having to take on the quasi-disaster area that is western Ukraine. But, strictly territorily speaking, you have a point – used to be part of Poland … And if they go all out with the fracking, apparently there’s some to be done there too. Who knows?

J-Gav on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 8:52 pm 



As for the video, they are are speaking good Russian (yeah, I studied that too), not Ukrainian. Whatever propaganda value you may attribute to this out-take, Tymoshenko does clearly demonstrate here that she has zero potential to emerge as a credible leader. While I understand her bitterness after the imprisonment ‘n all (at the hands of her fellow Ukrainian, Yanukovitch, not the Russians, I hope you noticed), she should not be allowed to return to the forefront of events in the region. She was almost as corrupt as Yanuko.

Arthur – I agree it would be more than 5% but certainly nowhere near 50%! More like 5-10% in the eastern provinces and 20-40% in the west. No majority in the Ukraine wants Nazi thugs in power

Arthur on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 9:01 pm 



J-Gav, when I said 50/50, I meant to say that ca. 50% would like to have closer ties with Europe and the other 50% would like to keep strong relations with Russia. A clear majority probably does NOT want a split in the country over this issue, just like the people in Syria do not want a split.

Hardcore nationalism is mostly concentrated around Lvov and absolutely does not represent the majority. But where in Syria 70,000 armed and determined Jihadis are enough to set that country on fire, similar numbers achieved the overthrow of the government in Kiev. So you can’t draw conclusions on pure numbers only. Determination is very important. But the ballot-box will reveal the true sentiment, not paid protesters at ‘Euro-Maidan’.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 9:06 pm 



Gave said – Poland has enough problems of its own without having to take on the quasi-disaster area that is western Ukraine

Naw, You guys remember the cost of the German reunification? Germany did that during a time of relative prosperity and cheap oil. Poland right now has serious financial issues. They are struggling with the whole EU thing and have no money for what Gav rightly called a quasi-disaster area of western Ukraine. Ideally the world would realize what is best for the Ukrainian people is a closer union with Russia. Russia has what it takes to support Ukraine and Ukraine has something to offer Russia security. The problem is this is no longer subjective and now has become personal and emotional. Things will happen that will cause lasting hatred. A civil conflict grows by the day if the game is not quieted. All those historical hatreds that lurk everywhere in Europe will bubble up and real localized violence is possible. I am sure the militaries will not be interested in a fight but may be forced into one. It would be a mess for both sides with a huge cost of treasure and blood. Both Ukraine and Russian have big problems ahead. If you propagandist ideologues here on this board are right the US may have given Russia a splinter to deal with by interfering in the Ukraine. It will be a long term preoccupation for Russia. The up side for Russia is the sacred Crimea. I am all for Russia to have that historical part of here motherland or do the Russians say fatherland????

george on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 9:42 pm 



I hope she does not eat with that mouth.

dissident on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 10:21 pm 



Hey, rollin, you clearly believe in freedom of thought only as long as it conforms to some subset of opinions you adhere to. You are truly a totalitarian at heart.

It is highly annoying to people like myself who have family in Ukraine, how f*cking ignorant western meddlers are essentially instigating a civil war in Ukraine. Your BS Mickey Mouse “facts” about Ukraine are beyond ludicrous. Stop projecting your infantile insecurities around the globe.

ghung on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 11:38 pm 



Propaganda is not presenting all viewpoints (AKA: censorship), sort of like the US MSM. Of course, some folks don’t want their prejudices challenged. Too much cognitive dissonance involved.

Grow a pair, islander, and challenge the content, not the fact that it’s being presented here. Nothing to be gained from shooting the messenger. At least tell us what it is that you fear.

rollin on Tue, 25th Mar 2014 11:58 pm 



Hey dissy, you clearly cannot read and definitely cannot tolerate any other view than your own.

Yeti on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:10 am 



Well, I for one just love the cover of the latest Economist; bare-chested Vlad riding a tank.

A man’s man who only has the best interest of the Russian people on his mind.

Not to mention a savvy investor/business person!

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:21 am 



Vive gladio peri gladio

kervennic on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:35 am 



I think ukrainians do have nuclear weapons:they have still functioning nuclear plants and i am sure they do not withstand the blast of a missile or aircraft.

kervennic on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 2:01 am 



I guess siting in jail so long makes you a bit aggressive.
Poutine will get his ass beatten up sooner or later. If his own people are unable to wake up, he will discover what means resistance to imperialism. That will probably wake up russian too.

It is a good news for all of us if gaz and oil does not flow, it is better to adapt now to future shortage.It will have huge pedagogical benefit for all of us.

bobinget on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 2:47 am 



Putin is clearly using right wing nationalism, his base. If Tea Baggers could get over hating ‘anything foreign’ they could really love Mr Decisive.

While Russia and Iran make strong military headway in Syria, Putin does this distraction, misdirection if you will, around Ukraine. It’s true there’s a grand probability of Crimean off-shore gas and oil grab.
(makes reasoned aggression believable)
That’s peanuts compared to isolating Saudi Arabia.
Soon, the world wakes up and Putin has cornered
Mideast , African, South American crude oil while we
wasted months looking in the wrong direction.

The NEXT oil cartel, successor to OPEC, will see Russia
flipping double birds at liberal democracies.

That phone call BTW is pure adgiprop. I’m shocked so many smart people fell for it. (intercepted indeed!)
Those two Ukrainians were speaking accented Russian
to each other. Why? So phone trappers could better understand? If you were highly emotional, would YOU be speaking in your second (hated) language, to a fellow friend and countrymen?

Makati1 on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 2:55 am 



Obvious who is still brainwashed by the Ministry of Propaganda in the USA.

Be careful, an open mind is a dangerous thing. It can get show you the real world you inhabit and it is not the one you think you know, and probably not the one you want to live in.

I like this site, not only for the good articles, but the open discussion and multiple viewpoints of the commenters. I may not agree with all of their statements but they do make me look at topics from new directions.

Just as you can not tell the real flavor of a stew by tasting only a few of the ingredients, you cannot get a true picture of events by reading one or two articles from the same ‘news’ source.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 3:31 am 



Makati, there is something called selective hearing. Men often do it with women and children. I find myself doing it with my girlfriend. It is when you hear something and pretend you didn’t. You are engaged in selective news. If the source is from your poster girls Russia, China, or lately India then it is real unadulterated truth given as news. You know the “real” stuff that has not been manipulated or distorted, or cleared by the ministry of information. “BUT” anything from the US by your definition is obvious a distortion, a lie, and or propaganda. Makati, you give yourself away when you choose sides and claim your side speaks the truth and the other side speaks only distortions and lies or when your side is righteous and the other a pariah nation. Sorry, that is the definition of a propaganda ideologue plain and simple.

Keith_McClary on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 4:35 am 



Davy, Hermann

“You are engaged in selective news. If the source is from your poster girls Russia, China, or lately India then it is real unadulterated truth given as news. You know the “real” stuff that has not been manipulated or distorted, or cleared by the ministry of information.”

Have you read anything in your US corporate MSM about the Svoboda-Nazi connections? You can easily find that information on the internet from reputable sources.

Keith_McClary on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 4:40 am 



Link breakdown. Try this:

http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/03/ukrainians-on-verge-of-nervous-breakdown.html

DC on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 5:26 am 



If it makes you all feel any better, my own assessment of the current situation isnt made any better or worse by the contents of this call. If its true(likely) it is not a surprise. Princess Leia there and her cohorts are definitely Russophobes-comes with the territory. If its fake(less likely but cant be completely ruled out either), it makes little difference since I already know where the ‘blame’ for this sordid affair lies. As for the calls veracity? I wouldnt put much stock in Snow Whites alleged call, since it really doesn’t alter the ‘big picture’ in any real way.

Still a uS, NED, Zionist regime change op. Russias national interests and security are directly threatened by this latest bout of reckless uS aggression. No amount of Davys imploring those of us that understand this perfectly well to buy the Zionist MSM party line will alter that one iota. Sorry Davy, contrary to what you think, Im pretty sure ALL of us know exactly what the western propaganda position is, we just dont accept it. Being lied to all ones entire life does get old after a while. But were fully aware of what they are saying you know….

And bob, it sounds like you have President Putins plans for world conquest pretty well mapped out. An elaborate well-conceived plan on President Putins part-except for one minor detail-its a total fantasy. Neo-Nazis street thugs, CIA snipers on the streets of Kiev, the welcome mat being rolled out for the IMF and its ‘austerity’ program and the wests light speed embrace of this illegitimate coup in Kiev-thats reality.As we speak, western corporations and IMF are already busy dividing the spoils amount themselves.Something about counting chickens before they hatched comes to mind here-but well see how that plays out. Chevron cant wait to start fraking Ukraine. The IMF just wants to Frak Ukraine so hard they wont be able to sit down for the next 100 years at least. Also, there is no pot of oil and NG gold in the Crimea ok? Even if there is some, and its quite possible, so what? It doesn’t belong to you, or to the Us, or western oil corporations. So get over the (hypothetical) oil bonanza that President Putin (supposedly), just cant wait to get his grubby little hands on.

Really guys, Russias interests are primarily defending its sovereignty and territorial integrity. They also, have been known to assist their allies when there own sovereignty is under threat(I wont even mention whose doing all the threatening). Beyond that Russia’s foreign policy, even on a bad day, is downright benign compared to the United States of Israel. Suggest ye all stop blowing gaskets when Russia(finally) reacts to the ceaseless uS goading, subversion and provocation directed at them.

The last time the west did that, the uS\Israeli equipped and trained Georgian proxy army got its ass handed to them in a matter of weeks. This time around, the uS seems ready to run the same op, but with much higher stakes. That should be cause of great concern for all people, wingnuts, sheeple, everyone.

Arthur on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 8:17 am 



That phone call BTW is pure adgiprop. I’m shocked so many smart people fell for it. (intercepted indeed!) Those two Ukrainians were speaking accented Russian to each other. Why? So phone trappers could better understand?

The gas-princes herself admitted the intercepted phone call was real, but she claims that ‘certain parts were editted’:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/tymoshenko-admits-speaking-to-shufrych-says-her-words-about-russians-were-edited-340752.html

Sure.

Not that too much importance should be attached about what she says in a state of rage in what she thinks is private. Actually, the very fact that this Jewess is in rage pleases me, showing that everything is not going too well for the plotters in Kiev.

The Kyivpost rag and leading English-language daily btw is run by the American Zionist Jed Sunden, an offshoot of the 2004 Zionist coup 1.0, aka the “Orange Revolution”.

Putin is clearly using right wing nationalism, his base. If Tea Baggers could get over hating ‘anything foreign’ they could really love Mr Decisive.

He is not. Putin stands up for Russian Orthodox, Russian speaking civilization, embracing many ethnicities, not to be confused with hardcore ethnic Russian white nationalism. You can for instance be a successful Jewish entrepreneur, like Roman Abramovich, and operate without having to worry about anything as long as you pay taxes and stay clear from politics and as such function as an agent of Washington. But if you start to operate like Khodorkovsky or Berezovsky you end up where you belong: jail, US, UK or Israel. As Samuel Huntington already identified: Russia is not a real nation like European nations, it is a civilization, a culture circle, dominated by the largest tribe, the Russians. Israel Shamir correctly identified Russians as one of the least tribal people on the planet, which goes hand in hand with the Russians being the most Christian people of the white race. If Putin would behave like a white nationalist, he would blow up his Russian civilization. He does not want that. Putin is a giant. He understands what’s coming next and that is the multipolar world order of Great Civilizations: Europe (including North-America), China, Russia, India, Islam, Japan, Africa, totally in line with the emerging new reality, ramshackle defined as ‘peak-oil’, ending all notions of expansion, materialism and progress.

Russia and China are the last holdouts against the NWO and as such I will cheer for any victory they will score and I could not care less about being called ‘anti-American’. Not that I want to see a Russian or Chinese run world, but that’s not going to happen anyway. But to prepare for the only regime change that really matters for the continuation of European civilization in both Europe and North-America: the one in Washington and help the American Constitutionalists (Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan, Alex Jones, PCR, Jesse Ventura types) take their country back again from the Zionists and stop being the wannabee global imperialist. The last time the Americans needed a hand (from the French and Dutch) to get rid of a colonizer (the British) was in 1776. Now you need it again, this time from Europe and Russia, after the installation of the coming Paris-Berlin-Moscow alliance. If not, enjoy becoming the next Brazil.

Makati1 on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 8:49 am 



Davy, NOTHING I have read on MSN news has truth in it. EVERYTHING has a spin in the direction that is dictated from above. The six men who own all of the US news sources are all under the government’s thumb. ALL of them.

I read from all sources and most are outside the US band of influence. try it sometime, you might then see where I am coming from. Remember, I am a ‘cold war’ child who grew up under “duck and cover” drills. That I actually believed all the bullshit the government put out makes me the foll.

I used the internet to open my eyes and see the truth. That is why I am not in the US today and am trying to get my family to at least prepare for the coming events there if they will not join me here. So, you can call me names, put me into any classification you want. I quit worrying about what other people thought about me long ago.

meld on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 10:42 am 



Lets all just get naked and wrestle it out. Then go for a beer and a pub lunch. Sound good?

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 11:07 am 



Makati, get a grip and bury your neurosis and paranoia of the US MSM. If you have a brain you will pick right through the spin and distortions. Facts are facts. In most cases it is more what facts are presented and how they are spin. So what read between the lines. Saying everything is false is intellectual laziness. MSM is much like you selectively brandishing facts to soil your world enemy. In my mind US MSM is propagandist ideologues of the American corporate political infrastructure much like you bent on spin and a message. I get my news from all over the world and pick through all of it. I have not found a country yet that does not spin the truth to their advantage especially your poster girls China, Russia, and India. You are not much older than I and I too had the “duck and cover drills”. I lived in Germany for a year and worked on the cold war front lines for several months in the town of Fulda. I felt the constant threat of a Soviet invasion when it was thought Russia was a t its peak militarily in early mid 80’s.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 11:08 am 



Yea, meld, I bet you are tiring of this so like Makati says “NUF said”

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 11:42 am 



Kieth mention what I said – “You are engaged in selective news. If the source is from your poster girls Russia, China, or lately India then it is real unadulterated truth given as news. You know the “real” stuff that has not been manipulated or distorted, or cleared by the ministry of information.”

Kieth being sarcastic with the above of course!

DC said Davy, contrary to what you think, I’m pretty sure ALL of us know exactly what the western propaganda position is, we just don’t accept it. Being lied to all ones entire life does get old after a while. But were fully aware of what they are saying you know….

What country does not spin and lie??? DC get a grip that the world when it comes to you and Arthur’s NWO is all about lies, manipulation, and corruption bar none. Please spare me your propaganda ideologue spiels on the US which gets redundant and stale.

Arthur said – He is not. Putin stands up for Russian Orthodox, Russian speaking civilization, embracing many ethnicities, not to be confused with hardcore ethnic Russian white nationalism

Gezzzz, Arthur, Putin is the poster child of hardcore Russian white nationalism and delivers it like a blue eyed devil with sophistication and deceit. Do you think he learned to sing Kumbaya in the KGB?????

antiwarforever on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 12:19 pm 



@ islander : no propaganda here my friend, but FACTS. BUT YOU wESTERN IDEOLOGUES seem to have an issue with factual discussion, dubbing “propaganda” a loud and clear telephone conversation, ironically, is a method reminiscent of Soviet methods.
@ Davy Hermann : there is no contradiction in my book between white/ all ethnicities embracing Russian patriotism. Look yourself in the mirror, YOU are the racist.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 12:43 pm 



Antiwar, we are all racist my friend just some more than others. You obviously are another propagandist ideologue that visit this site regularly bitching about factual discussion but choosing sided in battle for your emotional bend of the day….usually anti-American because America is the whipping boy of choice here!

Arthur on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:08 pm 



Gezzzz, Arthur, Putin is the poster child of hardcore Russian white nationalism and delivers it like a blue eyed devil with sophistication and deceit. Do you think he learned to sing Kumbaya in the KGB?????

You are making that up, there is zero proof that he is pursuing a policy of persecution of non-Russians.

Why don’t you read this piece by Israel Shamir. It was an eye-opener for me. He is a Russian Jew, turned orthodox Christian. Jews are always sensitive against nationalism, but he denies that ethnic strife plays a big role in Russian life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shamir

usually anti-American because America is the whipping boy of choice here!

Only if articles are posted about Syria, Iran or the Ukraine. Again, anti-Washington is not anti-American. You can read exactly the same criticism from very patriotic American sites like Infowars or LewRockwell or RonPaul forums.

Arthur on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:10 pm 



Sorry, wrong link. Here is Shamir’s article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimea-putins-triumph-now-the-confrontation-moves-east-to-new-russia/5374710

Arthur on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 1:32 pm 



The German Chancellor I always respected the most of all, Helmut Schmidt, now says that he backs Putin!

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/helmut-schmidt-verteidigt-in-krim-krise-putins-ukraine-kurs-a-960834.html

Schmidt, who fought against Leningrad and had to hide the Jewish identity of one of his grandparents to escape deportation, totally opposes sanctions.

Gerhard Gazprom Schroeder, the one who said ‘Nein’ against German participation of the ill-fated Iraq-safari, earlier also said similar things.

Helmut Kohl also warned against antagonizing Russia:

t-online . de/nachrichten/specials/id_68436998/krim-krise-altkanzler-helmut-kohl-kritisiert-umgang-des-westens-mit-russland.html

The three heavy-weights of German politics know exactly what’s good for Germany and what not.

It is pretty obvious now that Germany will not participate in anything but token sanctions.

penury on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 2:51 pm 



Interesting discussion, it appears that people are cemented to their ideollogy and being an American site of course we get USA>USA> Does anyone remember that 90 per cent of the personnel and supplies for Afganistan and Pakistan re-education must go thru Ukraine” Anyone remember Victoria Nuland? How about missle bases in Poland? How about bases in 139 nations and building more in CAR? No Putin must be the bad guy. My personal opinion is they are all liars and not my friend.

radon1 on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 3:07 pm 



bob and others,

This record is not fake, Timoshenko and her friend have confirmed that they did have this call. She said that only one sentence at the end of the phone call was falsified (the sentence related to the use of nuclear weapons).

Arthur on Wed, 26th Mar 2014 4:21 pm 



She denied that she wanted to nuke 8 million Ukrainian Russians. A logical denial if you want to become the next president of the Ukraine in May 2014. She did not deny that she wanted to machine-gun Wlad.

antiwarforever on Thu, 27th Mar 2014 12:13 pm 



@ Arthur : unfortunately it’s not the “old wise man” Helmut Schmidt (he just turned 95) who is in power in Berlin but the Eurocrat tandem Merkel-Gauck who up to now has made all the right sounds to please the big ears (no pun intended) of the American President.

Arthur on Thu, 27th Mar 2014 12:44 pm 



If the three Grand Old Men of German politics, Schmidt, Kohl and Schroeder unisono warn against too much antagonizing the Russians, you can be rest assured that this has a big influence. On top of that, polls have shown that most Germans are not concerned about the Crimea returning to Russia.

Davy, Hermann, MO on Thu, 27th Mar 2014 12:53 pm 



Arthur said – If the three Grand Old Men of German politics, Schmidt, Kohl and Schroeder unisono warn against too much antagonizing the Russians, you can be rest assured that this has a big influence. On top of that, polls have shown that most Germans are not concerned about the Crimea returning to Russia.

Yea, I remember Regan, Thatcher, and others when they started to get old with nostalgia and dementia. These grand old men are stuck in the old world order. I might add these are the leaders that made the commitments that we are seeing now that will be the end of the world as we know it. These leaders from that era, bar none, are responsible for missing an opportunity to lead the global world to more sustainability, resilience, and reason. Instead we are where we are at locked in the same old battles and bad decisions. We are locked into greed, corruption, and endless pursuit of growth. No, you can keep that generation. They were in no way the “greatest generation”. I can’t say much for the current generation but they are a product of their parents, leaders, and community from that generation and mine.