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Is Natural Gas a Fossil Fuel?

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The shift to a clean energy economy is on – and accelerating by the day.

Year after year, the cost of wind, solar, and other renewable energy technologies continues to fall. In more and more regions of the US and around the world, energy from renewables is as cheap or cheaper than dirty fossil fuel energy.

Which brings us straight to an increasingly popular fuel that many are putting a lot of faith in: natural gas. A fuel often praised for its affordability. A fuel some go so far as to call clean – or at the very least, cleaner.

A fuel that inspires a lot of wishful thinking.  

According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), “Coal, crude oil, and natural gas are all considered fossil fuels because they were formed from the buried remains of plants and animals that lived millions of years ago.”

So, to answer the headline question – yes, natural gas is a fossil fuel.

But now, let’s dig just a bit deeper so we’re all on the same page about exactly what that means as well as the reality of what we’re dealing with when it comes to natural gas, its extraction, processing, and use.

WHERE NATURAL GAS COMES FROM

Natural gas, like all fossil fuels, is a non-renewable source of energy formed in the earth over approximately the past 550 million years, typically from the remains of marine microorganisms and plants.

Over time, these organic remains decompose and become buried under more and more dirt, rock, and other decaying materials. This process seals off oxygen and puts this organic matter under ever-increasing amounts of heat and pressure, leading to a thermal breakdown process that ultimately converts it to hydrocarbons.

The lightest of these hydrocarbons occur in a gaseous state known collectively as “natural gas,” which in its pure form is a colorless, odorless gas composed primarily of methane.

Natural gas is found in underground rocks called reservoirs. These rocks have tiny spaces, called pores, which allow them to hold the natural gas, as well as water and sometimes oil. An impermeable rock – appropriately called a “cap rock” – traps the natural gas underground, where it stays until it’s extracted.

Conventional natural gas can be extracted by drilling wells. However, there are also “unconventional” forms of natural gas – like shale gas, tight gas, and coal bed methane – and these have extraction techniques all their own.

One, in particular, we feel confident you’ve heard of – hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking.”

Fracking is “the process of drilling down into the earth before a high-pressure water mixture is directed at the rock to release the gas inside. … The process can be carried out vertically or, more commonly, by drilling horizontally to the rock layer, which can create new pathways to release gas or used to extend existing channels.”

Fracking is used primarily to extract natural gas from shale, and its development has played a big role in the increased production of natural gas in recent years.

In the US, Texas and Pennsylvania tower over all other states in terms of natural gas production. The Lone Star state produced around 23 percent of US natural gas in 2017, while the Keystone State produced about 20 percent. Oklahoma and Louisiana follow with 8 percent each.

HOW DOES IT GET FROM THE GROUND TO MY LIGHT SWITCH?

Natural gas is largely used for domestic or industrial heating and to generate electricity. It’s also used in industrial chemical processes that we will get into pretty directly. And the journey it takes from rocks underground to your home, office, or school is rife with potential problems.

Once extracted, natural gas is typically sent through small pipelines to plants for processing. There, the various hydrocarbons and fluids are separated from the pure natural gas to produce what is known as “pipeline quality dry natural gas.”

This higher-quality, processed gas is then transported through feeder pipelines to distribution centers for use – or it’s sometimes stored in underground reservoirs to be used later.

At many stages of this process, the methane – which is a powerful heat-trapping greenhouse gas (see below) – can leak through faulty pipes and other infrastructure into the atmosphere. These leaks can be substantial, and significantly accelerate global warming.

Proponents like to shout about natural gas as a “bridge fuel” to a low-carbon economy, but these leaks and all the extra heat they help trap likely eliminate any of the alleged benefits.

But that’s not quite the full picture, either. Because there are actually two types of natural gas – dry and wet – and the story of the latter has as much to do with refrigerants ,and plastic production as it does the electrical outlets in your home.

Dry natural gas is mostly methane, while wet gas also contains compounds like ethane and butane. These natural gas liquids (NGLs) are separated from the pipeline quality gas described above. Then, they’re utilized at sites like ethane cracker plants to manufacture products like plastics.

The bad news is that cracker plants and other parts of gas infrastructure produce all kinds of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) like benzene, which can cause cancer in humans. And these chemicals have a way of getting into the air and water that workers and local communities breathe and drink every day. The result is often a ticking time bomb for public health.

>> Learn more about the dangers of petrochemical facilities here. <<

IS NATURAL GAS A CLEAN FORM OF ENERGY?

No.

See, that was easy.

When people make this argument, they’re (mostly) referring to one thing in particular that is indeed true of natural gas: a new, efficient natural gas power plant emits around 50 percent less carbon dioxide (CO2) during combustion when compared with a typical coal-based power plant, according to the National Energy Technology Laboratory (NETL).

To be sure, we should take seriously any source of energy that reduces our dependence on coal and oil, the primary sources of the carbon emissions that drive climate change. But let’s also engage in some real talk: 50 percent less CO2 isn’t zero CO2, and reaching net-zero greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions by the second half of this century is essential to the long-term health of our planet and ourselves.

Plus, CO2 isn’t the only harmful GHG emission generated by natural gas development. Which brings us back to methane.

Methane is a very, very powerful greenhouse gas. In the atmosphere, compared to carbon, it’s fairly short-lived: only about 20 percent of the methane emitted today will still be in the atmosphere after 20 years. However, when it first enters the atmosphere, it’s around 120 times more powerful than CO2 at trapping heat and 86 times stronger over a 20-year period.

“While methane doesn’t linger as long in the atmosphere as carbon dioxide, it is initially far more devastating to the climate because of how effectively it absorbs heat,” according to the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF).

Bottom line: We’re still talking about a fossil fuel here, one that still contributes to climate change when burned.

Period.

PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE IS PERSONAL POWER

So what do we do? We fight back.

Fossil fuels (all of them!) are the energy of the past. With new technologies like wind, solar, and advanced batteries in our hands, we can power today and tomorrow with clean, reliable energy that doesn’t harm our health or destroy our planet.

We know our fight can seem daunting, which is why working together to take action is so important. To get where we need to go, we need everyone.

That’s why programs like our own Climate Reality Leadership Corps and local chapters, as well as initiatives like the County Climate Coalition, are so important.

The County Climate Coalition is a nationwide community of counties that have signed on to uphold the Paris Agreement. Once your county signs up, you become part of a national network – offering real opportunities for progress on climate at a time when it matters most.

Whether you’re in California or Maryland or any state in between, within the County Climate Coalition, you’ll have allies who share your goals and want to work together to protect our future.

This is your opportunity to take a stand.

LEARN MORE SO YOU CAN FIGHT BACK

But to take a stand, you must be ready with the facts.

Download our free new fact sheet, Climate 101: Natural Gas, to get more detail on natural gas, fracking, the dangers of methane emissions, and why it’s so important that we act together to fight its expansion.

In it, we offer up the facts – and just the facts.

If natural gas expansion comes at the expense of renewables, the greenhouse gas emissions threat to our climate continues. That’s why it’s so vital to learn more about why natural gas is a bridge to nowhere now.

www.climaterealityproject.org



46 Comments on "Is Natural Gas a Fossil Fuel?"

  1. Lucifer on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 3:35 pm 

    It is to late for most of you, the damage to the earth will only get worse. Nothing can stop that now. I suppose you could try and build a bridge over the soon to be flood of souls making there way to hell. At least that kind of bridge might mean some of you can cling to life a little bit longer.

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 3:45 pm 

    It is to late for most of you, the damage to the earth will only get worse. Nothing can stop that now. I suppose you could try and build a bridge over the soon to be flood of souls making there way to hell. At least that kind of bridge might mean some of you can cling to life a little bit longer.

    “You”?

    Lucifer talks as if he is watching another film. As if somehow he is not part of it. Or found a shelter (in hell?).

  3. MethaneHydratesWillKillYou on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 5:27 pm 

    (…I think he really means “us”…)

  4. Free Speech Forum on Fri, 1st Mar 2019 9:44 pm 

    Does anyone get the feeling that anyone supporting the police state now is a paid NSA shill?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

  5. deadly on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 2:48 am 

    Who in God’s name writes such complete bullshit?

    Termites produce more methane than any other species on the planet.

    Termites are expanding their habitats.

    Termite populations are increasing thereby increasing methane emissions.

    Termites emit 20 million tonnes of methane into the atmosphere each year.

    https://phys.org/news/2018-11-termite-mound-filters-methaneand-greenhouse.html

    Hardly a fossil fuel, methane is produced by animals like cows, pigs, sheep, etc. So how can you stop methane from being emitted into the atmosphere? You can’t and you won’t.

    Methane escapes from the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico in massive quantities.

    Methane is an inexhaustible naturally occurring molecule generated by living organisms. You will never burn it all to nothing, it is impossible.

    Methane is also at the top of a salt dome along with wet gas and crude oil underneath it all, which originated from organic content from millions of years ago, living organisms from long ago now stuffed in one spot a thousand feet deep to ten thousand feet and more.

    Some people just are totally braindead and you won’t fix it, never, ever, never.

    When you burn a fossil fuel, it does not produce carbon dioxide, there is carbon monoxide emitted after burning a fossil fuel.

    Start your car in the garage, let it run for 30 minutes of so, stand inside the garage and ask yourself if it is safe to breathe the air inside the garage.

    Give it a try, it will fix stupid.

  6. makati1 on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 3:51 am 

    But gasoline is NOT methane…stupid.

  7. Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 4:13 am 

    Methane in the atmosphere has a lifespan of ca. 10 years, after which it will morph in to CO2 and water.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_methane

    However…

    The most effective sink of atmospheric methane is the hydroxyl radical in the troposphere, or the lowest portion of Earth’s atmosphere. As methane rises into the air, it reacts with the hydroxyl radical to create water vapor and carbon dioxide. The lifespan of methane in the atmosphere was estimated at 9.6 years as of 2001; however, increasing emissions of methane over time reduce the concentration of the hydroxyl radical in the atmosphere. With less OH˚ to react with, the lifespan of methane could also increase, resulting in greater concentrations of atmospheric methane.

  8. Cloggie on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 5:38 am 

    The EU now counts the huge ITER-fusion project as “fighting climate change”:

    http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/eu-kommission-erklaert-fusionsreaktor-mit-rechentrick-zum-klimaschutz-projekt-a-1255885.html

    Real reason: accounting.
    Climate change fighting should be 25% of the EU budget, but that is not the case. Now ITER should come to the rescue.

  9. Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 8:10 am 

    First China, second Europe, and now the US sees auto sales drops.

    “US Auto Sales Tumble To 18 Month Low As SUV Demand Hits A Brick Wall”
    http://tinyurl.com/y26fqloj Zero Hedge

    “February U.S. auto sales data. Fiat Chrysler posted its first monthly sales decline in a year, according to Bloomberg. The kicker? Jeep, the company’s driving force for the past several years, showed a rare back-to-back drop in deliveries. Charlie Chesbrough, senior economist of Cox Automotive said: “The results today suggest a much bigger story: The sales pace has finally shifted into a lower gear.” The fact that Jeep sales have slowed is a warning indicator that the SUV “boom” in the U.S. could be coming to an end. Mired by higher interest rates and continued tightening of credit, buyers are forcing once record high SUV sales and prices back down again. As a result, Fiat’s Jeep Wrangler sales fell 5.9% in the month, as inventory continued to pile up at dealerships. Fiat joined companies like Toyota, Honda and Nissan, as virtually every OEM both missed analyst estimates for the month and posted an annual sales decline.”

    “In total, the annualized February sales rate slowed to 16.6 million, the worst reading in 18 months, according to researcher Autodata Corp., also missing expectations.”

  10. Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 8:16 am 

    “What Happens To Europe When Germany’s Economy Slows?”
    http://tinyurl.com/y3nplcm7 Authored by Claudio Grass via The Mises Institute

    “Until recently, Germany has been the seemingly unbreakable workhorse that has pulled the European economy back from the brink and kept it ticking along through a myriad of internal and external pressures, as well as political crises, over the last decade. As the undeniable leader of the bloc, the country has spearheaded and supported rescue plans for the Eurozone’s weaker links, as well as a number of controversial policies that work towards further centralization within the EU. However, with clouds now gathering over Germany’s economic outlook, concerns over potential knock-on effects on the entire monetary union are on the rise. Falling Below Expectations Trade tensions, the threat of a hard Brexit and weaker emerging markets growth have all played a part in dampening Germany’s nine-year-long economic upswing. 2018 was a trying year for the world’s third-largest exporter, as Germany saw its much-celebrated trade surplus shrink. With imports growing faster than exports, the impact of the trade disputes between the US and both China and the European Union has been widely felt by industry leaders. Recently released figures also cast large shadows over Germany’s formidable manufacturing sector, with industrial output much lower than expected. In November, industrial output fell by 1.9%, while the year-on-year decline was 4.7%. These figures, the worst since the end of the 2008 crisis, are understandably giving rise to fears among investors and analysts of a nearing recession.”

    “Overall, it would appear that Germany acts as the string that keeps the bloc together and should it break, multiple challenges could surface, threatening the future of the Eurozone and the cohesion of the EU. As a result of the growing political frictions and the projected economic slowdown, the outlook for European markets and for the Euro is far from encouraging.”

  11. Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:29 am 

    Y’all might be wondering what Europe and Germany have to do with the title of the above article, “Is Natural Gas a Fossil Fuel?”?

    Not a damn thing. That’s why y’all call me the intellectual nematode, or more appropriately, davy dumbass.

  12. JuanPee identity theft on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:43 am 

    Not Davy

    Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:29 am

  13. MethaneHydratesWillKillYou on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 10:59 am 

    “When you burn a fossil fuel, it does not produce carbon dioxide, there is carbon monoxide emitted after burning a fossil fuel.”

    Burning fossil fuels certainly does produce CO2. This is very basic chemistry and has been known for hundreds of years. Why does this site publish outright lies by liars like deadly? It doesn’t help the discussion any, and confuses people who might come here actually thinking this site provides accurate information.

  14. deadly on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 4:09 pm 

    MethaneHydratesWillKillYou, go to your garage, start the engine in your car, close all of the doors, no ventilation, stand there in the garage and see what happens.

    Just so you know, you’re going to be deader than a doornail, the carbon monoxide will kill you.

    Thems the facts, Jack.

    Ya dumbass

  15. deadly on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 4:28 pm 

    Here it is in spades for your information, just so you know again:

    Incomplete combustion is also a reaction
    between oxygen and fuel but the products are
    carbon monoxide, water and carbon.

    Eg: 4CH4 + 5O2  2CO + 8H2O + 2C

    https://lchs.lpsd.ca/eteacher_download/2112/34962

    What really happens.

    You need to know the truth. JFC Almighty

  16. Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 5:28 pm 

    “Arctic Air Mass To Blast US, Will Roil Power Markets Next Week”
    http://tinyurl.com/y3vs8f3p Zero Hedge

    “A persistent anomalous cold will continue across the plains over the next week. This cold comes after a record cold February across this region, extending into the Canadian prairies. Heating demand will continue to run much above normal for Early March in this portion of the country with additional heating demand potential across the entire northern tier of the United States. In addition to the cold, yet another winter storm is forecast to impact the Northeast I-95 corridor Sunday into Monday with moderate to heavy snowfall expected,” reported Meteorologist and owner of Empire Weather LLC., Ed Vallee. Weather models and energy demand forecasts have prompted an operator of a power grid network spanning from the Dakotas to Louisiana to issue a power-plant fuel restriction warning for Monday through Wednesday”

    “On Friday, spot gas at Northern Natural Gas’s Ventura hub in Iowa jumped 4x to $13.50 per million British thermal units in trading, according to David Hoy, an energy trader with Dynasty Power Inc. in Calgary. “This is unprecedented,” he said. Suppliers will have to draw natural gas out of storage to cope with next week’s insane demand spike, said Rick Margolin, a senior natural gas analyst at Genscape Inc. “Even though latest weather forecasts have revised ever so slightly warmer, they’re still showing enough cold to generate demand levels that could set new highs for the month of March,” Margolin said. Withdrawals could reach 120 billion cubic feet per day Monday. Demand may dip by the end of the week, but “we still see notably higher-than-normal levels running well into the middle of the month,”Margolin said. Wade Schauer, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie, said Midwest grid operators would need to import energy from neighbors to the East and West grids, and maybe even Canda, to meet the surge in demand.”

  17. makati1 on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 6:15 pm 

    Enjoy your winter, Davy. It’s a cool 74F here this am. Another day in the low 80s and sunny. Went swimming in the local river yesterday with friends and their kids. Enjoying my never ending vacation.

    BTW: The corn, tomatoes and bush beans are getting close to harvest. What are you harvesting this winter. LOL

  18. Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 6:25 pm 

    makato, winter is a challenge and keeps me strong. I can only imagine how lazy and weak you are getting these days with no challenges. Good place for an worn out old man.

    makato, I have 30 goat kids in the barn and cows will calve next week. I think I am doing far better than you. LOL I have plenty of wood and hay. I am not complaining but you wish I were.

  19. makati1 on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 7:03 pm 

    Bullshit Davy! Winter is nothing but work and expense after you stop enjoying skiing and the like. I had 64 winters to “enjoy”. I will tell you that older people do not move to Florida for the oranges.

    I can do more here than I ever could in PA. I’m not trapped in the house for days on end without electric because of snow and ice, like my sister in PA. I “work” my farm. I don’t use machines or sit on my fat ass and boss workers like you claim to do on that imaginary farm. I enjoy getting my hands dirty. I’m a very healthy 75 years old. You will never see that age.

    You have nothing in that run down shack you call a barn. You cannot prove it. It is all in your warped imagination. You are constantly “complaining” on here, but you don’t recognize it. Others do. Every time someone points out the US failures you complain.

    Now, it is 9am here and I am going out to plant some cacao (chocolate) trees. We have about 100 to plant. They are a different variety from the others we planted last year. What are you planting today? LOL

  20. Anonymouse on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 9:16 pm 

    Right on mak, looking after that many animals, in addition to his orchards, his hundreds or thousands of acres depending on who is asking, his bee’s, his cows, his ‘Italian wife’, his solar power array, and servicing his lear-jet would be a very time-consuming proposition. Or so you would think.

    UNLESS, you are the exceptionalturd, well then, you can manage all that, and more! He can monitor every comment here@PO.com, run multiple sock puppets. Crank out unread self-congratulatory word salads extolling his endless array of virtues along with his home-spun musings on the nature of his world. All while maintaining his vast and, apparently, self-maintaining fantasy farmstead.

    You dont get the called the exceptionalturd just because your crap doesn’t stink, dumbass.

  21. makati1 on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 10:18 pm 

    “American Exceptionalism: The Naked Truth”
    “This basic belief in America’s good intentions is often linked to “American exceptionalism”. Let’s look at just how exceptional America has been. Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

    Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically elected.
    Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
    Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
    Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
    Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
    Led the world in torture; not only the torture performed directly by Americans upon foreigners, but providing torture equipment, torture manuals, lists of people to be tortured, and in-person guidance by American teachers, especially in Latin America.

    This is indeed exceptional. No other country in all of history comes anywhere close to such a record. But it certainly makes it very difficult to believe that America means well.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/american-exceptionalism-the-naked-truth/567023

    A good read for realists.

  22. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 10:22 pm 

    anontarded
    supertard moves water bins around to lead goats to new pasture
    hes pretty smart

  23. anontarded on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:12 am 

    paultarded,

    Your supertard is obviously ‘pretty smart’ in comparison to you, but that’s not saying very much about either one of you.

  24. intellectual nematode Alert! on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 2:34 am 

    Davy on Sat, 2nd Mar 2019 10:22 pm
    Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:12 am

  25. Truth Buster on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 2:59 am 

    MOST ASTUTE COMMENT OF THE DAY AWARD:

    “paultarded,

    Your supertard is obviously ‘pretty smart’ in comparison to you, but that’s not saying very much about either one of you.”

  26. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 5:27 am 

    “Bullshit Davy! Winter is nothing but work and expense after you stop enjoying skiing and the like. I had 64 winters to “enjoy”. I will tell you that older people do not move to Florida for the oranges.”
    Pussies need the warmth. I am thriving on a winter. It is tough for tough people. Besides spring is coming soon. All you have is the same boring shit month after month except for the Typhoons. LOL. Your time will come for the super typhoon season of Mother Nature’s mayhem and wrath. Enjoy

    “I “work” my farm. I don’t use machines or sit on my fat ass and boss workers like you claim to do on that imaginary farm. I enjoy getting my hands dirty. I’m a very healthy 75 years old. You will never see that age.”
    You don’t do shit makato. You never talk about your imaginary farm and you are here which mean indoors with a laptop most of your day. You are a worn out old man that watches others work. The only help I have for the most part is the wife and when plumbing, carpentry or mechanical work gets too specialized. Otherwise I do most everything.

    “You have nothing in that run down shack you call a barn. You cannot prove it. It is all in your warped imagination. You are constantly “complaining” on here, but you don’t recognize it. Others do. Every time someone points out the US failures you complain.”
    Now you are drifting into imaginary Davy hate. Not worth my time. I don’t have to prove anything to you moron.

    “Now, it is 9am here and I am going out to plant some cacao (chocolate) trees. We have about 100 to plant. They are a different variety from the others we planted last year. What are you planting today? LOL”
    Shure you are makato. You are planting a lot of shit these days on your 3 acre imaginary farm. Why don’t you prove it. LOL

  27. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 5:34 am 

    “Right on mak, looking after that many animals, in addition to his orchards, his hundreds or thousands of acres depending on who is asking, his bee’s, his cows, his ‘Italian wife’, his solar power array, and servicing his lear-jet would be a very time-consuming proposition. Or so you would think.”

    Anon, we don’t know anything about you because you are anonymouse. Why are you anonymouse? You are because you have no life. You come here daily with the sole purpose to attack me or sometimes clogged. What kind of purpose is that? Go be a fool and hate on some low life Canadian anti-American site. LOL. Anon is the last of the dumbass Canadian anti-American regulars here, thank god. I like to think I ran most of them off. LMFAO. It used to be dominated by our hateful northern neighbors. We need to get back to intelligent conversation. That means you and juanpee need to be banned. Makato is alright. He does say something even if it is warped and redundant hate. You and juanpee need to be nixed for disagreeable noises.

  28. JuanPee Socks on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 5:39 am 

    This is Juanpee

    anontarded on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:12 am
    intellectual nematode Alert! on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 2:34 am
    Truth Buster on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 2:59 am

  29. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 6:09 am 

    “Pussies need the warmth. I am thriving on a winter. It is tough for tough people.” ~~~~~ DavySkum

    Yeah, you pussies, I’m a tough guy and founding member of the He Man Women Haters Club.

    After taking a few hours off site, I’m back to neutering and moderating any poster who dares challenge my omnipotence.

  30. JuanPee identity theft on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 6:13 am 

    Not Davy

    Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 6:09 am

  31. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 6:15 am 

    Truth Buster on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 2:59 am
    Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 6:09 am

    3 hours sleep??

    JuanPee, you are not getting much sleep lately. What kind of drugs are you doing? Hitting the cocain hard maybe?

    Get help juanpee

  32. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 10:57 am 

    Oops, sorry everyone. Sometimes I even surprise myself with how stupid I am.

  33. JuanPee identity theft on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 11:07 am 

    Not Davy

    Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 10:57 am

  34. Dumbass Davy Sock Puppetry on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 11:54 am 

    Not JuanP

    JuanPee identity theft on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 11:07 am

  35. JuanP is a prick on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:20 pm 

    Sure its you Mr. Mental illness. You are the board identity thief and lunatic sock puppeteer. Go fuck yourself.

  36. Davy is Delusional on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:28 pm 

    JuanP is everyone and everywhere.

    LOL at the dumbass.

  37. JuanP is a prick on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:39 pm 

    Juanpee, why don’t you go back to your failed South American and do something like get shot in a riot. Get the fuck out of the US. You are not welcome.

  38. Davy on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 7:48 pm 

    JuanP is a prick, you must be getting soft in your old age. Getting shot in a riot would be too good for JuanP. How about, crushing him under the tracks of a US built tank, provided to our freedom-loving paramilitaries? Or vaporized by a hell-fire missile from a reaper drone, programmed to home in JuanP’s salsa emissions? That kind of thing is what makes America great.

    That is how you’d get rid of a Mexican playboy like dirty JuanP. Getting shot by one of our school of the America’s trained-snipers or guardsman, is so 1980’s.

  39. makati1 on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 9:47 pm 

    “Shure you are makato. You are planting a lot of shit these days on your 3 acre imaginary farm. Why don’t you prove it. LOL”

    Davy. You don’t get harvests without planting. At least in the real world I inhabit. I don’t know about your imaginary one.

    Did you know that, when you harvest a pineapple, it provides the next pineapple plant? Just cut the spiky top off with some pineapple attached, let the base dry a few days and plant. It should root and grow a new plant and pineapple. IF you have the right climate. You see, it takes about a year from plant to fruit. A WARM year. We have those here. It won;’t work in Missouri. LOL

    BTW: The cacao trees we planted only need about 1,000 sqM.(~1/4 acre) And, they are not planted plantation style, but permaculture style, like in nature. 3-4 in groups scattered over the farm, not in rows. Inter-planted with corn beans, tomatoes, etc.

  40. We are ALL JuanP on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 9:50 pm 

    We are ALL JuanP.

  41. We are ALL JuanP on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 12:31 am 

    Davy, make love, not war.

  42. JuanPee sock on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 4:50 am 

    This is JuanPee

    We are ALL JuanP on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 12:31 am

  43. JuanPee sock on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 4:50 am 

    This is JuanPee

    Davy is Delusional on Sun, 3rd Mar 2019 1:28 pm

  44. Davy on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 4:54 am 

    “It won;’t work in Missouri. LOL”

    Come makato, we are talking different agricultural zones. For you everything is about I am better than you. You are a complete fraud with an inferiority complex and combined with a delusional narcissistic sense of greatness.

  45. Davy on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 7:21 am 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I was projecting again.

  46. JuanPee identity theft on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 7:52 am 

    Not Davy

    Davy on Mon, 4th Mar 2019 7:21 am

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