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How to Survive When, NOT IF, Catastrophic Climate Change Makes Earth’s Climate Unsuitable For Humans

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During many periods in human history, some were doing just fine and others lived on the edge of starvation in a constant state of collapse. Abrupt changes in climate, such as that caused in France by a massive Laki volcanic eruption in Iceland in 1783, have resulted in famine induced starvation. In that case, starvation was followed by social upheaval and revolution, instead of collapse. Civilization in Iceland was nearly wiped out with that eruption (over one third of the population was killed), but did not collapse.

For a collapse to occur, the society destroying pressure must last longer than a decade or so. For example, natural climate alterations that produced lengthy droughts caused some ancient starving civilizations to eventually collapse.

SNIPPET From the March 21, 2016 article, “Ten Civilizations or Nations That Collapsed From Drought”, by Jeff Masters:

Drought is the great enemy of human civilization. Drought deprives us of the two things necessary to sustain life–food and water. When the rains stop and the soil dries up, cities die and civilizations collapse, as people abandon lands no longer able to supply them with the food and water they need to live. While the fall of a great empire is usually due to a complex set of causes, drought has often been identified as the primary culprit or a significant contributing factor in a surprising number of such collapses. Drought experts Justin Sheffield and Eric Wood of Princeton, in their 2011 book, Drought, identify more than ten civilizations, cultures and nations that probably collapsed, in part, because of drought. As we mark World Water Day on March 22, we should not grow overconfident that our current global civilization is immune from our old nemesis–particularly in light of the fact that a hotter climate due to global warming will make droughts more intense and impacts more severe. So, presented here is a “top ten” list of drought’s great power over some of the mightiest civilizations in world history–presented chronologically.

Collapse #1. The Akkadian Empire in Syria, 2334 BC – 2193 BC.

Collapse #2. The Old Kingdom of ancient Egypt, 4200 years ago.

Collapse #3. The Late Bronze Age (LBA) civilization in the Eastern Mediterranean. About 3200 years ago, the Eastern Mediterranean hosted some of the world’s most advanced civilizations.

Collapse #4. The Maya civilization of 250 – 900 AD in Mexico. Severe drought killed millions of Maya people due to famine and lack of water, and initiated a cascade of internal collapses that destroyed their civilization at the peak of their cultural development, between 750 – 900 AD.

Collapse #5. The Tang Dynasty in China, 700 – 907 AD. At the same time as the Mayan collapse, China was also experiencing the collapse of its ruling empire, the Tang Dynasty. Dynastic changes in China often occurred because of popular uprisings during crop failure and famine associated with drought.

Collapse #6. The Tiwanaku Empire of Bolivia’s Lake Titicaca region, 300 – 1000 AD. The Tiwanaku Empire was one of the most important South American civilizations prior to the Inca Empire. After dominating the region for 500 years, the Tiwanaku Empire ended abruptly between 1000 – 1100 AD, following a drying of the region, as measured by ice accumulation in the Quelccaya Ice Cap, Peru.

Collapse #7. The Ancestral Puebloan (Anasazi) culture in the Southwest U.S. in the 11th – 12th centuries AD. Beginning in 1150 AD, North America experienced a 300-year drought called the Great Drought.

Collapse #8. The Khmer Empire based in Angkor, Cambodia, 802 – 1431 AD. The Khmer Empire ruled Southeast Asia for over 600 years, but was done in by a series of intense decades-long droughts interspersed with intense monsoons in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries that, in combination with other factors, contributed to the empire’s demise.

Collapse #9. The Ming Dynasty in China, 1368 – 1644 AD. China’s Ming Dynasty–one of the greatest eras of orderly government and social stability in human history–collapsed at a time when the most severe drought in the region in over 4000 years was occurring, according to sediments from Lake Huguang Maar analyzed in a 2007 article in Nature by Yancheva et al.

In this image, we see Kurdish Syrian girls among destroyed buildings in the Syrian Kurdish town of Kobane on March 22, 2015. Image credit: Yasin Akgul/AFP/Getty Images.

Collapse #10. Modern Syria. Syria’s devastating civil war that began in March 2011 has killed over 300,000 people, displaced at least 7.6 million, and created an additional 4.2 million refugees. While the causes of the war are complex, a key contributing factor was the nation’s devastating drought that began in 1998. The drought brought Syria’s most severe set of crop failures in recorded history, which forced millions of people to migrate from rural areas into cities, where conflict erupted. This drought was almost certainly Syria’s worst in the past 500 years (98% chance), and likely the worst for at least the past 900 years (89% chance), according to a 2016 tree ring study by Cook et al., “Spatiotemporal drought variability in the Mediterranean over the last 900 years.” Human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases were “a key attributable factor” in the drying up of wintertime precipitation in the Mediterranean region, including Syria, in recent decades, as discussed in a NOAA press release that accompanied a 2011 paper by Hoerling et al., On the Increased Frequency of Mediterranean Drought.

A 2016 paper by drought expert Colin Kelley showed that the influence of human greenhouse gas emissions had made recent drought in the region 2 – 3 times more likely.

Full article with lots of great pictures:

As Dr. Jeff Masters evidenced above, extended drought, sometimes alternating with other harsh climate conditions like intense rains, can lead to starvation. Long wars exacerbate the situation, leading directly to collapse.

In addition to the above, there is another climate change based collapse level attack on human civilization, one that is 100% unavoidable now, that has wreaked havoc in the past.

SNIPPET from the March 23, 2018 article, “Humanity has contended with rising seas before — and it didn’t go well for us”, by Alxandru Micu:

The Neolithic revolution was the first major transformation humanity had paused — the transition foraging to farming. Spreading out from the Middle East, this wave of change took peoples used to hunt and forage wherever they pleased and tied them down, hoe in hand, to sedentary — but oh so lucrative — farms and fields.

Around 7,600 years ago, however, the revolution paused — no new agricultural settlements seemed to pop up in Southeastern Europe around the time, existing communities declined, and the progress of civilization as a whole came to a standstill. Up until now, we didn’t have any inkling as to why this happened, but new research from the Senckenberg Biodiversity and Climate Research Centre, the Goethe University in Frankfurt, and the University of Toronto sheds some light on this mysterious period.

According to their findings, this lull in progress was due to an abrupt rise in sea levels in the northern Aegean Sea. Evidence of this event was calcified in the fossils of tiny marine algae preserved in seafloor sediments.

The impact this event had on societal dynamics and overall development during the time highlights the potential economic and social threats posed by sea level rise in the future, the team says. Given that climate-change-associated changes in sea level are virtually unavoidable, the team hopes their findings will help us better prepare for the flooding ahead.

“Approximately 7,600 years ago, the sea level must have risen abruptly in the Mediterranean regions bordering Southeastern Europe. The northern Aegean, the Marmara Sea and the Black Sea recorded an increase of more than one meter. This led to the flooding of low-lying coastal areas that would have been ideal areas for settlement,” says lead author Professor Dr. Jens Herrle.

The evidence supports a link between the two timeouts in the Neolithic revolution and the flooding events. The event 8,400 years ago coincides with archaeological findings suggesting that settlements in low-lying areas were under significant hardship from encroaching seas and other associated climatic changes. The renewed rise just 800 years later likely amplified these communities’ woes, keeping them from making the transition to agriculture.

“The source of this may have been Lake Agassiz in North America. This glacial meltwater lake was enclosed in ice and experienced a massive breach during this period, which emptied an enormous volume of water into the ocean.”

Past fluctuations in sea levels have already had a significant effect on human history during the early days of agriculture, the authors note, warning that it would be unwise to dismiss the challenges it will place in our path in the future.

The article goes on to repeat the overly conservative estimate from the IPCC of a rise by up to “one meter over the next 100 years”. That is the same IPCC that predicted the amount of ice depletion we have at present at the poles would not occur until 2070. That is the same IPCC that has NOT figured in the contribution of ice loss from Greenland to global sea level rise in any of the models.

So, if you are a logical person, I recommend you count on 3 to 6 meters, at least, of sea level rise several decades before the end of the century. As Peter Ward says (The Flooded Earth: Our Future In a World Without Ice Caps by Peter D. Ward]) ,over 25% of the world’s arable land is near sea level and will be flooded. Most major airports along coastlines will be flooded. Every harbor facility in the world will require a staggering amount of land fill to raise them as the sea level goes up. Most coastal real estate, currently highly assessed in value, will be flooded and become worthless.

By the way, the latest science indicates that rapid sea level rise will be accompanied by a large increase in volcanic eruptions (which might slow down the heating due to a temporary increase in aerosols), and and increase in earthquaqe activity. The volcanic aerosols, at most, will be a minor speed bump on the way to intolerable climate caos. So, please don’t count on volcanic eruptions to ‘save us’ from global warming hell. That is wishful thinking.

I am not a voice “crying in the wilderness” on this issue. I will provide you some screenshots from the video of a scientist who recently wrote the book, “Waking the Climate Giant”. He predicts a continued increase in volcanic activity, now observed in the data, due to terrain bounce from melting land ice and increased pressure on the surrounding seabed, as the the global average temperature increases. It’s not the volcanoes that are increasing the heat, it’s the greenhouse gases that are causing massive ice melt that, in turn, triggers earthquages and volcanic eruptions. Read his book if you disagree. I just watched the video but I think he is spot on.

On Earth, destructive climate change was not catastrophic before. The difference now it that the entire globe will be impacted. Humans have never lived on a planet with an average temperature of 3° C above pre-industrial. We will pass that mark up a half century before 2100 and continue towards PLUS 4° C and beyond, with no available technological or natural negative feedback mechanism to stop the continued acceleration, not slowing, of the rate of increase in temperature.

Already our atmosphere is being distorted by global warming to the point of pushing the dry subtropical bands on either side of the tropics towards their respective pole, thereby increasind drought conditions in highly populated areas and a large percentage of hitherto arable terrain.

SNIPPET from the February 2, 2016 article, “The mystery of the expanding tropics”, by Olive Heffernan

As Earth’s dry zones shift rapidly polewards, researchers are scrambling to figure out the cause — and consequences.

One spring day in 2004, Qiang Fu was poring over atmospheric data collected from satellites when he noticed an unusual and seemingly inexplicable pattern. In two belts on either side of the equator, the lower atmosphere was warming more than anywhere else on Earth. Fu, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Washington in Seattle, was puzzled.

It wasn’t until a year later that he realized what he had discovered: evidence of a rapid expansion of the tropics, the region that encircles Earth’s waist like a green belt. The heart of the tropics is lush, but the northern and southern edges are dry. And these parched borders are growing — expanding into the subtropics and pushing them towards the poles.

Tropical forest losses outpace UN estimates

Cities that currently sit just outside the tropics could soon be smack in the middle of the dry tropical edge. That’s bad news for places like San Diego, California. “A shift of just one degree of latitude in southern California — that’s enough to have a huge impact on those communities in terms of how much rain they will get,” explains climate modeller Thomas Reichler of the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

Elsewhere, there is evidence that tropical expansion is affecting the ocean. Where the Hadley cell descends, bringing cool air downward, it energizes the ocean and whips up currents to high speeds. This energy powers the upwelling of cold, nutrient-rich waters towards the surface, which feeds some of the world’s most productive fisheries. But there are hints that some of these regions are suffering because of shifts in the Hadley cell.

These upwelling zones could move south over time, or get weaker or stronger, depending on what happens to the Hadley cell, says Cook. In any case, it means that fishing communities that rely on these resources will not be able to count on traditional patterns.

On land, biodiversity is also potentially at risk. This is especially true for the climate zones just below the subtropics in South Africa and Australia, on the southern rim of both continents. In southwestern Australia, renowned as one of the world’s biodiversity hotspots, flowers bloom during September, when tourists come to marvel at some of the region’s 4,000 endemic plant species. But since the late 1970s, rainfall there has dropped by one-quarter. The same is true at South Africa’s Cape Floristic Province, another frontier known for its floral beauty. “This is the most concrete evidence we have of tropical expansion,” says Steve Turton, an environmental geographer at James Cook University in Cairns, Australia.

Turton worries that the rate of change will be too rapid for these ecosystems to adapt. “We’re talking about rapid expansion that’s within half or a third of a human lifetime,” he says. In the worst-case scenario, the subtropics will overtake these ecologically rich outposts and the hotter, drier conditions will take a major toll.

Vermont is already experiencing the economy harming effects of climate change. A Vermonter, concerned about this, wrote about it. He has a right to be.

Watching Nature Collapse March 24th, 2018 by George Harvey

Sometimes it seems the best of everything is passing away.


A few years ago, someone threw a peach pit into shrubbery on the front yard of the house where I live. The tree that sprouted from the peach pit is now bearing fruit. Neighbors have paw-paw trees growing in their yards. But Vermont’s maple sugar industry, and the apple orchards, and the blueberry fields are all suffering. Vermont is fast becoming a place unlike what it has ever been, and it is not an improvement.

Don’t look at what he wrote as the “new normal” and just think we can ‘adapt’ to climate change by growing different crops and so on. This is the leading edge of climate that will soon, much sooner than many think, become intolerable for crop growing. We are not just on a treadmill moving in the wrong direction; our velocity on that deadly treadmill is increasing. Please keep that in mind so you are not lulled into thinking it would be ‘nice’ to grow palm trees in Burlington. Yes, the fossil fuel industry does continue to try to pitch the ‘warmer weather good’ out of context propaganda happy talk. They’ll do anything to keep their profit over people and planet suicide machine going. Stupid is as stupid does.

All these deleterious effects of Catastrophic Climate Change will continually get worse, not for a decade or so, but for over a century.

Temperatures unsuitable for human life are baked in for at least a couple of centuries, even if we stopped the insanity of constantly making things even worse by going on a crash program to stop burning fossil fuels. Yeah, we have to do that. Yeah, if we don’t, we are all dead. But, regardless of what we do, it will take a while to catch up to all of us. I write this for those who, though sadly unable to stop the insane suicidal “business model” of the biosphere killing fossil fuel fascists, wish to survive as long as possible.

I wish to stress that, though many confused voices out there do not wish to face this, the one unifying aspect of the present threat to human civilization is Catastrophic Climate Change, NOT lack of fossil fuel based energy.

Have I got your attention? Good.

Then, look at this graphic from the Video, “Waking the Climate Giant”, and ask yourself if it reflects our current situation:

The above graphic is already correct in its prediciton. In 2017 (the emissions data was for the years 2014, 2015 and 2016) the greenhouse gas emissions INCREASED. Consequently, there is a very, very high probability that the collapse of our civilization will occur much sooner than we think.

Some humans in different parts of the globe are already well acquainted with living on the edge of collapse. I am absolutely certain that many jungle tribes in Brazil, Ecuador and Peru, RIGHT NOW, live on the edge of starvation in a constant state of collapse, while most of the city dwellers nearby live not much better, but still avoid starvation.

My point in this quixotic exercise in hard truth logic is that the lack of food in the past has eventually triggered revolutions, not collapse of the civilization. It is after the social upheaval, when no solution to the lack of food problem is found, such as is in LONG WARS of aggression or extended harsh climate conditions, that collapse ensues.

People tend to fear other people more than deleterious climate. People can certainly be a threat to your life and stuff, but Catastrophic Climate Change is a much greater threat to everything you hold dear, past, present and future.

Catastrophic Climate Change is worse than a long war of aggression because it will last much longer than a human lifetime.

The climate change problem is intractable, but I believe some WILL beat it for maybe a century or so. For example, there are places near the equator with very high mountains. A world heated plus 4° C by around 2060, despite happy talk by certain wishful thinkers, will kill off most humans. BUT, in high mountains, the tree line will move way up while the temperature becomes temperate, even at the Equator. I stress the equator, though RE will vigorously disagree, because human civilization in a low food environment with over acidified seas (no easy fish or whales or seals to catch = NO ESKIMOS) with poor available sunlight is not a recipe for long term survival, even if the temperature is mild enough to grow crops.

There is a mountain in Ecuador (Chimborazo) about 20,000 feet high that will, because of the horrendously altered atmosphere, get plenty of rain even at high altitudes. There are several other candidates in the HIGH tropics around the world. This will enable the folks living there to grow enough food, thanks to an ABUNDANCE of sunlight all year round, with low tech methods. They just might be able to ride out the fossil fuel burning stupidity that dooms most of human civilization.

The tree line, the highest point on a mountain that trees will grow, varies between 5,000 feet and up to 13,000 feet above sea level. It varies so much mainly because of wind chill, though the length of the summer growing season is important as well. A tree in relatively mild wind conditions can grow all the way up to the maximum recorded tree line altitude at temperature well below freezing (down to minus 40° F =- 40° C  ), provided its roots can get enough water.

Trees can have liquid water in their tracheal elements at such low temperatures because of a wonderful combination of two factors. The first is that the ‘pumping’ mechanism of a tree is more a sucking mechanism than a pumping mechanism. The transpiration of water vapor into the atmosphere at the branch leaf pores creates negative pressure on the water molecules inside the tree (as long as the tracheal elements vacuum is not breached by air intrusion).

Water molecules, as they travel up the inside of tree, aided by capillary action as well as transpiration, can be stretched by as much as negative 25 atmospheres! That is how those Giant Sequoias can move up to a 130 gallons of water a day over a 100 feet vertically.

The second factor is that the water in the tracheal elements, in addition to being thoroughly stretched, is extremely pure. This prevents the crystalization of water around non-water substances that would normally trigger freezing at 0° C. But, when the wind is howling during below freezing temperatures, the wind chill can cause the water in the tree to freeze and eventually kill the tree.

The closer to the equator a high mountain tree is located, the longer it’s growing season will be. If the growing season is too short, like in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, the tree line is only about 4,500 feet.

SNIPPET from an article about the Tree line:

The elevational limit of such suitable summer conditions varies by latitude. In Mexico, for example, treeline occurs somewhere around 13,000 feet, whereas farther north, in the Tetons, for instance, it occurs lower, at approximately 10,000 feet. Again, it’s a ragged line that may vary by hundreds of feet on any mountain, depending largely on shelter and exposure.

Because the elevational treeline is so closely tied to temperature, many suggest that it could be a particularly sensitive indicator of global climate change. Presumably, rising temperatures would increase the elevation of treeline in any locale, altering forest distribution and potentially ousting rare plant communities – and their inhabitants – that now exist above treeline. Although the specific physiological mechanism of treeline formation is not fully understood, there is growing photographic and other evidence of upward shifts in treelines worldwide.

A PLUS 4° C (and still going up) atmosphere by around 2060 will enable trees to grow at much higher altitudes. For every degree increase in average global temperature, a corresponding increase in humidity of at least 7% to 13% will take place. We will have an atmosphere expanding vertically, but also with increased humidity. This will accelerate warming because water vapor is a powerful greenhouse gas, but the good news is that high mountain areas will, in some areas, experience more rain higher up.

As noted at the beginning of this article, humans need water and other adequate growing conditions in order to have a viable civilization.

The Catastrophic Climate Changed world of 2060 will be a stormy place. The over acidified, mostly dead oceans, will be full of giant waves. The winds during storms will be off the charts in comparison to what we experience now. High up in the mountains, some type of barrier will need to be erected to keep the fierce winds from destroying the crops.

Finally, those hardy folks who carve out a life in year-round sunny high mountains will have to deal with UV radiation. It is a fact that, at present, the UV levels at around 10,000 ft. and above are particularly hazardous to humans.

However, with the expanded atmosphere in an overheated planet, this is the one area I see as hopeful for humans and animals living on very high mountains. You see, in said expanded atmosphere of plus 4° C and above, the massive increase in humidity will inhibit UV radiaiton.

Nevertheless. Since the equator alpine areas are infamous for high UV radiation, it would be prudent to plan to plant crops that have high UV tolerant foliage, like tubers. Hopefully, the greatly increased humidity will help protect the High Mountain Human Heroes.


Everyone is exposed to UV radiation from the sun and an increasing number of people are exposed to artificial sources used in industry, commerce and recreation. Emissions from the sun include visible light, heat and UV radiation.

The UV region covers the wavelength range 100-400 nm and is divided into three bands:

UVA (315-400 nm)
UVB (280-315 nm)
UVC (100-280 nm).

As sunlight passes through the atmosphere, all UVC and approximately 90% of UVB radiation is absorbed by ozone, water vapour, oxygen and carbon dioxide. UVA radiation is less affected by the atmosphere. Therefore, the UV radiation reaching the Earth’s surface is largely composed of UVA with a small UVB component.

Environmental factors that influence the UV level

Sun height—the higher the sun in the sky, the higher the UV radiation level. Thus UV radiation varies with time of day and time of year, with maximum levels occurring when the sun is at its maximum elevation, at around midday (solar noon) during the summer months.

Latitude—the closer the equator, the higher the UV radiation levels.

Cloud cover— UV radiation levels are highest under cloudless skies. Even with cloud cover, UV radiation levels can be high due to the scattering of UV radiation by water molecules and fine particles in the atmosphere.

Altitude—at higher altitudes, a thinner atmosphere filters less UV radiation. With every 1000 metres increase in altitude, UV levels increase by 10% to 12%.

What do you think are the chances of human civilization achieving what the following graph says we HAVE TO DO?

There is NO WAY in God’s (formerly good) Earth that we can avoid a climate that is almost entirely unsuitable for human life. The above graphic illustrates that. Anyone who thinks that we can do what needs to be done to avoid a PLUS 4° C (and above!) climate that will kill most humans and cause the extinction of thousands of other vertebrate species is engaging in magical thinking.

ALL the people near the surface in the tropics will die as crispy critters, period. Those in temperate zones will perish too. Those near the poles who live near the surface will last as long as the food they have lasts. Unless they can maintain some geothermally heated and powered high tech greenhouse CITY that includes PLENTY of crop growing quality light and plenty of water, they will die too.

I might add that those greenhouse giant domes, both near the poles ond on high equatorial mountains, had better be MASSIVELY strong. The storms that will visit them and the wind speeds they will face in a PLUS 4 ° C planet  will make any recent hurricane look like a gentle breeze.

The giant greenhouse domes situated in the high equatorial mountains would have to be something like the U.K. Eden Project Domes, but way up high on a mountain. In England they have an enclosed rainforest in these domes. They need to be ten or twenty times bigger for an equatorial alpine community. If the post collapse alpine community could control the atmospheric pressure in the giant domes, more UV protection is guaranteed and more comfortable living for humans too.

For those still worried about fellow humans trying to kill you for your stuff, remember that high mountains are a natural defense against warlike humans during the initial phases of the Climate Change Caused Collapse. The heat lower down will eliminate any human threat after a couple of decades.

STOP thinking you are going to live on planet that has the remotest resemblance to the one you have lived in all your life. THAT is WISHFUL THINKING! The LEAST of your problems is going to be worrying about the “zombie” humans getting your stuff.

NOTE: I pose these issues for your discussion. I will not argue the merits of them beyond this comment. If you disagree with anything I said, then you are entitled to be as wrong as you like.     

Doomstead Diner


28 Comments on "How to Survive When, NOT IF, Catastrophic Climate Change Makes Earth’s Climate Unsuitable For Humans"

  1. Dredd on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 9:59 am 

    The historian A. Toynbee studied 26 civilizations that ceased to exist.

    His conclusion was: “In other words, a society does not ever die ‘from natural causes’, but always dies from suicide or murder — and nearly always from the former, as this chapter has shown.” – A Study of History, by Arnold J. Toynbee

    The DNA of collapse was elaborated on in an encyclopedia: “In the Study Toynbee examined the rise and fall of 26 civilizations in the course of human history, and he concluded that they rose by responding successfully to challenges under the leadership of creative minorities composed of elite leaders. Civilizations declined when their leaders stopped responding creatively, and the civilizations then sank owing to the sins of nationalism, militarism, and the tyranny of a despotic minority. Unlike Spengler in his The Decline of the West, Toynbee did not regard the death of a civilization as inevitable, for it may or may not continue to respond to successive challenges. Unlike Karl Marx, he saw history as shaped by spiritual, not economic forces” …

    (Hypothesis: The Cultural Amygdala – 5, quoting Encyclopedia Britannica).

  2. Sissyfuss on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 10:10 am 

    One would hope that this is a worst case scenario of humanitys fate and not an actual portending of what awaits all. In a temporary existence what we are accomplishing is making it ever more temporary and brief. What we are doing to ourselves and our fellow creatures is a pity and not much more. Eternal life exists only in the minds of the religious. We have today and a perception of tomorrow which is as feeble as our memory of yesterday. Finding meaning in life is an individual endeavor that is as finite as ones breath. Our dust will fill the deserts to surfeit and the universe will be untouched.

  3. dave thompson on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 10:43 am 

    Once the food goes away I do not care what your plan is, all of us will be gone.

  4. GregT on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 11:31 am 

    “There are several other candidates in the HIGH tropics around the world. This will enable the folks living there to grow enough food, thanks to an ABUNDANCE of sunlight all year round, with low tech methods. They just might be able to ride out the fossil fuel burning stupidity that dooms most of human civilization. ”

    As the oceans become more acidified, the phytoplankton will die off. Phytoplankton are responsible for half of the oxygen generated on the planet. As oxygen levels decrease, high altitudes will become uninhabitable. The Earth’s habitable zone will be squeezed from the bottom up due to sea level rise, and the top down due to decreasing levels of oxygen. There will be no survivors.

  5. Duncan Idaho on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 11:45 am 

    What a optimist!
    Te 6th mass extinction is upon us——

  6. BobInget on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 12:29 pm 

    Slight correction dave;
    When easy to mine oil is gone, affordable food follows. The good news, natural gas is indeed affordable. So called shale ‘oil’ gets ‘lighter’ as we speak. So, transition becomes natural.

    If humans manage this resource well enough
    we could get to a more renewable, stable economies.

    “See those coal trains?’ When Obama was president, we didn’t see no coal trains”

  7. Plantagenet on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 12:38 pm 

    The Paris Accords were a fraud and a farce. They were signed so Obama and the other world “leaders” could PRETEND they were doing something about climate change, while they actually did nothing.

    The MSM praised them to skies for committing a fraud on the world.

    And most people fell for it.


  8. Shortend on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 1:02 pm 

    And the good news?….none of us live forever anyway

  9. Steve on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 2:18 pm 

    Arctic Ice

    McPherson Ehrlich

  10. Anonymouse1 on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 3:56 pm 

    Do you see ‘obama’s face on your toast, banana peels, grilled cheese sandwiches and whatnot as well? planetetard? That dude is ancient history moron. You have a new dumbass-in-chief to amuse and entertain retards such as yourself. Get with the times, or get out.

    Cheerio, retard!

  11. onlooker on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 5:20 pm 

    Hard to imagine the long term survival of our species given the the conditions set to prevail on this planet because of humanities STUPIDITY

  12. Boat on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 5:53 pm 

    So with no Eskimos the dog races are over? I liked the idea of the dog races. Man conquering nature.

  13. Boat on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 5:57 pm 

    So up the side of the mountains we go. I somehow knew that crazy fool Mak was wrong to go to the Philippines.

  14. Bloomer on Fri, 30th Mar 2018 6:34 pm 

    I live up on a hill side. Good most of the year cept when we get buried in snow during the winter. Then it’s not fun and no one wants to visit you.

  15. JH Wyoming on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 1:56 am 

    People in other locations than the example provided, will have to live underground with some kind of modified greenhouse. People will just have to spend most of their time subteraneously. If enough tech. survives they’ll have remote sensing of the weather up top. If not, then someone will have to pop their head up to ck.

  16. deadly on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 3:21 am 

    We’re all diamonds in the rough, but still dumber than dirt. Nobody can change that.

    21 years ago today the temperature outside my door was about 70 degrees F for the high of the day. Comet Hale-Bopp was streaking towards the sun in the early morning hours.

    It was a nice day, doors and windows open in the house.

    There is eight inches of the snow on the ground this early morning and the temp outside is 6 degrees Fahrenheit heading for minus one at 6 am.

    How I miss the good old days of warm spring weather.

    Pokes a hole in anthropogenic global warming. Cold weather will do that.

    Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody can do anything about it.

    Everybody talks about the collapse, but nobody is going to do anything about it.

  17. Aidan on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 3:41 am 

    Sorry deadly – it doesn’t ‘poke a hole’. The extreme warming of the Arctic is destabilising the Jetstream. That is why some regions (Western Europe, Eastern N America have had/are having exceptionally cold spells this Winter/Spring as the wavering Jetstream allows great swoops of cold Arctic air to penetrate far South. Global AVERAGE temperatures are rising relentlessly – what you are experiencing is a local side-effect.

  18. makati1 on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 3:43 am 

    There was a time not long ago when the Jet Stream was a roughly circular flow with an occasional dip. Look at it today…,32.08,258

    I think you can see the effects of a warm polar ocean. It’s warmer on the north slopes of Alaska than it is in Vancouver.,59.10,258/loc=-124.079,48.099

    But, the J.S. has not dipped down into the Ps … yet.,10.19,258/loc=-124.079,48.099

  19. Cloggie on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 4:29 am 

    The historian A. Toynbee studied 26 civilizations that ceased to exist.

    Yet we are still around to discuss all 26 of them.

    We have today and a perception of tomorrow which is as feeble as our memory of yesterday. Finding meaning in life is an individual endeavor that is as finite as ones breath. Our dust will fill the deserts to surfeit and the universe will be untouched.

    That’s straight from Nietzsche right? It is just that you “forgot” to properly source the quote, just like Robert Pirsig did with that entire book of his.

    Everybody talks about the collapse, but nobody is going to do anything about it.

    Not in Amurrica, they don’t.

  20. Kat C on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 4:51 am 

    Cloggie, none of the 26 previous collapsed civilizations had 400+ nuclear power plants fixed to go Fukushima on steroids when civilization collapses (we have only seen a few meltdowns and they were followed by massive remediation, we have not seen a meltdown with no remediation). None of the previous collapsed civilizations had nuclear weapons stockpiled. None of the previous 26 collapsed civilization had poisoned the oceans with heat, acidification, radiation and plastics. None of the previous 26 civilizations had waste dumps with all manner of toxic stuff just waiting to be run over by fires we will no longer be able to put out. None of the previous 26 civilizations had pumped out huge underground aquifers, created acid rain, extincted millions of other species, killed off pollinating insects. No comparison.

  21. Cloggie on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 5:33 am 

    none of the 26 previous collapsed civilizations had 400+ nuclear power plants fixed to go Fukushima on steroids when civilization collapses

    Mwoah, you can simply switch them off in case of “civilizational collapse” (whatever that might be). Three Miles Island (unexpected use of candles), Chernobyl (failed test), Fukushima (tsunami) were all accidents. I don’t think 400+ nuclear power plants will blow up, but instead be simply closed down and replaced by renewable electricity and hydrogen.

    None of the previous 26 collapsed civilization had poisoned the oceans with heat, acidification, radiation and plastics.

    That may be all true, but you should not forget to mention that for the first time in history there is a global awareness of the problems you mention. It is too early to admit defeat.

  22. Davy on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 5:52 am 

    “But, the J.S. has not dipped down into the Ps … yet.”

    Billy typhoon, just wait until you get some monster typhoons coming your way then the next day a monster earthquake. You have your hands full old man.

  23. Davy on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 5:55 am 

    Not in Amurrica, they don’t.

    neder, the EU is at 7% renewables. That is nothing to crow about yet.

  24. deadly on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 6:18 am 

    Here’s my heaping pile of steaming crap, some words to ponder:

    “Stop quoting your laws, we have swords.” – General Pompey

    Stop using anthropogenic global warming purports, you’re banging pots and pans in Thanatopolis.

    Wasn’t the Arctic Ocean supposed to be ice free by now according to the predictions based on the models? Did not happen. Just more stupidity from the AGWers. Will wonders ever cease?

    The earth and the sun will determine how it all happens, the swords, not puny pea-brained humans who don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground quoting their continued non-stop stupidity.

    Stop quoting your anthropogenic global warming stupidity, Mother Nature’s sword will swing the final blow, do the talking.

    Global Warming Alarmists versus Climate Change Deniers clay cartoon animation Celebrity Death Match to The Death to death.

    The Atlantic and Pacific Decadal Oscillations will keep on trucking and the sun will be the driver. Doesn’t matter where they go, they’ll be there. They have been around a long time, the earth just keeps on keeping on. If we’re here, that’s great, the earth doesn’t care.

    From 280 to 400 has greened the earth. Green Propagandists should be happy. Look on the bright side, look at all of the good fossil fuels have done for the earth and especially for humanity. Green Propagandists should be wholly satisfied.

    They’re not though, it is always doom, the end is nigh, you would think they would see the analogy between Armageddon nonsense, the prophecy, and their ‘humans have done it all and fucked it all up, we’re doomed because of these dumb fucking humans doing their dumbfuckery, it’s gonna be Armageddon because of them we told you this was gonna happen because we predicted it’ mantra ad nauseum ad infinitum. Everything is an outrage. It is propaganda when it is cut to the chase.

    Never satisfied until it is fucked up beyond all recognition and humans are to blame every goddamned time. Do as I say, not as I do bullshit reigns, when the truth be told.

    It’s that way now, and there is no changing it. Nature just has natural limits, it is the nature of nature.

    And it is still colder than hell outside right now. Facts don’t budge. Mother Nature doing her thing, you can argue, but she makes the call.

    There will always be hell to pay when humans make sure there will be hell to pay. You can lead a bull to the whatchamacallit, but you can’t make him stampede.

    Don’t pay any attention to them thar humans. They’re nuts and freaked out these days every doggone day, obviously.

    Much like The Inquisition, the good old days of the Rack and Iron Maiden make a triumphant return to the human population thanks to these stupid AGW alarmists and their Bolshevistic tendencies. You will be found guilty of heresy and you will not be able to recant. We, the Global Warming Alarmist Green Schutzstaffel will say so, the Stasi of Greendom rule. You Climate Change Deniers will burn in hell. The Rack of Reason and the Iron Maiden of Facts that we, the holier-than-thou Climate Change Alarmists, will make sure you are condemned straight to hell with your lies and deception, your heresy. The Climate Change Alarmists know you are guilty as charged.

    Yeah, right. Go to hell.

    A reset of brains, everybody needs a new one, is what is really needed badly. Just stop doing the stupid shit. Not a difficult thing to do.

    Humans are not going to change a thing on this earth except burn up all of the fossil fuels until they are gone and then it will be time to deal with the consequences.

    Doesn’t matter anymore. Never mind.

    Good Lord and Good God Almighty.

    The unexamined brain is not worth having.

    But wait, there’s more:

    “A considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been, during the last two years, greatly abated.”

    “2000 square leagues [approximately 14,000 square miles or 36,000 square kilometers] of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes of 74 and 80 N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years entirely disappeared.”

    The paragraphs above come from a letter by the President of the Royal Society addressed to the British Admiralty, written in 1817 (Royal Society, London. Nov. 20, 1817. Minutes of Council, Vol. 8. pp.149-153). When this report was written, the planet was in the midst of the Little Ice Age. How could the ice disappear in a Little Ice Age if the melting was due to global warming?

    Crying Wolf

    Read it and weep.

    The climate is going to change regardless of human action.

    The Sun will have its day in the sun everyday, it will call the shots.

    Nothing humans can do about that.

    Now you can shoot the messenger.

    I will apologize for the expletives not deleted. All spellings are correct, though.

    Cheer up, everything you know is wrong and it is only going to get worse.

  25. Cloggie on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 8:24 am 

    neder, the EU is at 7% renewables. That is nothing to crow about yet.


    18% primary energy is renewable, 20% in 2020.

    Share renewable energy is rapidly increasing.

    The goal is 90% or so in 2050. I think that 2035-2040 is doable in case of an emergency (runaway climate change) or the death of the car after 2030.

    Here’s my heaping pile of steaming crap, some words to ponder:

    Animal/human life has gone through climate extremes over the past millions of years: from tropic to ice ages.

    A real man is not afraid of a 100 ppm CO2

  26. joe on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 8:31 am 

    People never factor out the true cost of goods. Cost of sales includes costs we realise and costs we can’t factor. Oil is priced per barrel and it fluctuates based on its availability/scarcity and current geopolitical events. If it were priced per unit of work delivered, we would see a truer cost. Such a system would immediately be reflected on the shelves of stores and most people would be shocked to realise just how much we get for free from oil. Just try pushing your car for 1 mile.

  27. Davy on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 9:44 am 

    Neder, I took the renewable number from your link. Maybe you should check your links better.

    Neder, kindly tell the audience how much of your 18% number is wind and solar.

  28. Kat C on Sat, 31st Mar 2018 5:13 pm 

    Cloggie, of course the three main nuclear accidents were accidents. “Following a major earthquake, a 15-metre tsunami disabled the power supply and cooling of three Fukushima Daiichi reactors, causing a nuclear accident on 11 March 2011. All three cores largely melted in the first three days.”
    Loss of cooling caused the meltdowns. What else might cause loss of cooling. Hmmm solar flares, EMPS and other grid failures along with dam failures, hurricanes etc.
    Must reads–a-disturbing-possibility.html
    So as civilization fails they will have the wisdom and will to shut down the nuclear power plants. “For nuclear power plants governed by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission, SAFSTOR (SAFe STORage) is one of the options for nuclear decommissioning of a shut down plant. During SAFSTOR the de-fuelled plant is monitored for up to sixty years before complete decontamination and dismantling of the site, to a condition where nuclear licensing is no longer required. During the storage interval, some of the radioactive contaminants of the reactor and power plant will decay, which will reduce the quantity of radioactive material to be removed during the final decontamination phase.”
    So with foresight of the coming civilization collapse, 40 to 60 years before the end, they will sacrifice the energy from the plants and expend the energy, money, resources to shut all the world’s nuclear plants? Meanwhile they will figure out what they have yet to figure out, how to safely store all the waste like that at WIPP and Hanover Yep you got me there Cloggie, nothing to worry about….

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