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How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled

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Note: An audio version of this story aired on NPR’s Planet Money. Listen to the episode here.

Laura Leebrick, a manager at Rogue Disposal & Recycling in southern Oregon, is standing on the end of its landfill watching an avalanche of plastic trash pour out of a semitrailer: containers, bags, packaging, strawberry containers, yogurt cups.

None of this plastic will be turned into new plastic things. All of it is buried.

“To me that felt like it was a betrayal of the public trust,” she said. “I had been lying to people … unwittingly.”

Rogue, like most recycling companies, had been sending plastic trash to China, but when China shut its doors two years ago, Leebrick scoured the U.S. for buyers. She could find only someone who wanted white milk jugs. She sends the soda bottles to the state.

But when Leebrick tried to tell people the truth about burying all the other plastic, she says people didn’t want to hear it.

“I remember the first meeting where I actually told a city council that it was costing more to recycle than it was to dispose of the same material as garbage,” she says, “and it was like heresy had been spoken in the room: You’re lying. This is gold. We take the time to clean it, take the labels off, separate it and put it here. It’s gold. This is valuable.”

But it’s not valuable, and it never has been. And what’s more, the makers of plastic — the nation’s largest oil and gas companies — have known this all along, even as they spent millions of dollars telling the American public the opposite.

This story is part of a joint investigation with the PBS series Frontline that includes the documentary Plastic Wars, which aired March 31 on PBS. Watch it online now.

NPR and PBS Frontline spent months digging into internal industry documents and interviewing top former officials. We found that the industry sold the public on an idea it knew wouldn’t work — that the majority of plastic could be, and would be, recycled — all while making billions of dollars selling the world new plastic.

The industry’s awareness that recycling wouldn’t keep plastic out of landfills and the environment dates to the program’s earliest days, we found. “There is serious doubt that [recycling plastic] can ever be made viable on an economic basis,” one industry insider wrote in a 1974 speech.

Yet the industry spent millions telling people to recycle, because, as one former top industry insider told NPR, selling recycling sold plastic, even if it wasn’t true.

“If the public thinks that recycling is working, then they are not going to be as concerned about the environment,” Larry Thomas, former president of the Society of the Plastics Industry, known today as the Plastics Industry Association and one of the industry’s most powerful trade groups in Washington, D.C., told NPR.

In response, industry representative Steve Russell, until recently the vice president of plastics for the trade group the American Chemistry Council, said the industry has never intentionally misled the public about recycling and is committed to ensuring all plastic is recycled.

“The proof is the dramatic amount of investment that is happening right now,” Russell said. “I do understand the skepticism, because it hasn’t happened in the past, but I think the pressure, the public commitments and, most important, the availability of technology is going to give us a different outcome.”

Here’s the basic problem: All used plastic can be turned into new things, but picking it up, sorting it out and melting it down is expensive. Plastic also degrades each time it is reused, meaning it can’t be reused more than once or twice.

On the other hand, new plastic is cheap. It’s made from oil and gas, and it’s almost always less expensive and of better quality to just start fresh.

All of these problems have existed for decades, no matter what new recycling technology or expensive machinery has been developed. In all that time, less than 10 percent of plastic has ever been recycled. But the public has known little about these difficulties.

It could be because that’s not what they were told.

Starting in the 1990s, the public saw an increasing number of commercials and messaging about recycling plastic.

“The bottle may look empty, yet it’s anything but trash,” says one ad from 1990 showing a plastic bottle bouncing out of a garbage truck. “It’s full of potential. … We’ve pioneered the country’s largest, most comprehensive plastic recycling program to help plastic fill valuable uses and roles.”

These commercials carried a distinct message: Plastic is special, and the consumer should recycle it.

It may have sounded like an environmentalist’s message, but the ads were paid for by the plastics industry, made up of companies like Exxon, Chevron, Dow, DuPont and their lobbying and trade organizations in Washington.

Industry companies spent tens of millions of dollars on these ads and ran them for years, promoting the benefits of a product that, for the most part, was buried, was burned or, in some cases, wound up in the ocean.

Documents show industry officials knew this reality about recycling plastic as far back as the 1970s.

Many of the industry’s old documents are housed in libraries, such as the one on the grounds of the first DuPont family home in Delaware. Others are with universities, where former industry leaders sent their records.

At Syracuse University, there are boxes of files from a former industry consultant. And inside one of them is a report written in April 1973 by scientists tasked with forecasting possible issues for top industry executives.

Recycling plastic, it told the executives, was unlikely to happen on a broad scale.

“There is no recovery from obsolete products,” it says.

It says pointedly: Plastic degrades with each turnover.

“A degradation of resin properties and performance occurs during the initial fabrication, through aging, and in any reclamation process,” the report told executives.

Recycling plastic is “costly,” it says, and sorting it, the report concludes, is “infeasible.”

And there are more documents, echoing decades of this knowledge, including one analysis from a top official at the industry’s most powerful trade group. “The costs of separating plastics … are high,” he tells colleagues, before noting that the cost of using oil to make plastic is so low that recycling plastic waste “can’t yet be justified economically.”

Larry Thomas, the former president of the Society of the Plastics Industry, worked side by side with top oil and plastics executives.

He’s retired now, on the coast of Florida where he likes to bike, and feels conflicted about the time he worked with the plastics industry.

“I did what the industry wanted me to do, that’s for sure,” he says. “But my personal views didn’t always jibe with the views I had to take as part of my job.”

Thomas took over back in the late 1980s, and back then, plastic was in a crisis. There was too much plastic trash. The public was getting upset.

Garten Services, a recycling facility in Oregon, where paper and metals still have markets but most plastic is thrown away. All plastic must first go through a recycling facility like this one, but only a fraction of the plastic produced actually winds up getting recycled.

Laura Sullivan/NPR

In one document from 1989, Thomas calls executives at Exxon, Chevron, Amoco, Dow, DuPont, Procter & Gamble and others to a private meeting at the Ritz-Carlton in Washington.

“The image of plastics is deteriorating at an alarming rate,” he wrote. “We are approaching a point of no return.”

He told the executives they needed to act.

The “viability of the industry and the profitability of your company” are at stake.

Thomas remembers now.

“The feeling was the plastics industry was under fire — we got to do what it takes to take the heat off, because we want to continue to make plastic products,” he says.

At this time, Thomas had a co-worker named Lew Freeman. He was a vice president of the lobbying group. He remembers many of the meetings like the one in Washington.

“The basic question on the table was, You guys as our trade association in the plastics industry aren’t doing enough — we need to do more,” Freeman says. “I remember this is one of those exchanges that sticks with me 35 years later or however long it’s been … and it was what we need to do is … advertise our way out of it. That was the idea thrown out.”

So began the plastics industry’s $50 million-a-year ad campaign promoting the benefits of plastic.

“Presenting the possibilities of plastic!” one iconic ad blared, showing kids in bike helmets and plastic bags floating in the air.

“This advertising was motivated first and foremost by legislation and other initiatives that were being introduced in state legislatures and sometimes in Congress,” Freeman says, “to ban or curb the use of plastics because of its performance in the waste stream.”

At the same time, the industry launched a number of feel-good projects, telling the public to recycle plastic. It funded sorting machines, recycling centers, nonprofits, even expensive benches outside grocery stores made out of plastic bags.

Few of these projects actually turned much plastic into new things.

NPR tracked down almost a dozen projects the industry publicized starting in 1989. All of them shuttered or failed by the mid-1990s. Mobil’s Massachusetts recycling facility lasted three years, for example. Amoco’s project to recycle plastic in New York schools lasted two. Dow and Huntsman’s highly publicized plan to recycle plastic in national parks made it to seven out of 419 parks before the companies cut funding.

None of them was able to get past the economics: Making new plastic out of oil is cheaper and easier than making it out of plastic trash.

Both Freeman and Thomas, the head of the lobbying group, say the executives all knew that.

“There was a lot of discussion about how difficult it was to recycle,” Thomas remembers. “They knew that the infrastructure wasn’t there to really have recycling amount to a whole lot.”

Even as the ads played and the projects got underway, Thomas and Freeman say industry officials wanted to get recycling plastic into people’s homes and outside on their curbs with blue bins.

The industry created a special group called the Council for Solid Waste Solutions and brought a man from DuPont, Ron Liesemer, over to run it.

Liesemer’s job was to at least try to make recycling work — because there was some hope, he said, however unlikely, that maybe if they could get recycling started, somehow the economics of it all would work itself out.

“I had no staff, but I had money,” Liesemer says. “Millions of dollars.”

Liesemer took those millions out to Minnesota and other places to start local plastic recycling programs.

But then he ran into the same problem all the industry documents found. Recycling plastic wasn’t making economic sense: There were too many different kinds of plastic, hundreds of them, and they can’t be melted down together. They have to be sorted out.

“Yes, it can be done,” Liesemer says, “but who’s going to pay for it? Because it goes into too many applications, it goes into too many structures that just would not be practical to recycle.”

Liesemer says he started as many programs as he could and hoped for the best.

“They were trying to keep their products on the shelves,” Liesemer says. “That’s what they were focused on. They weren’t thinking what lesson should we learn for the next 20 years. No. Solve today’s problem.”

And Thomas, who led the trade group, says all of these efforts started to have an effect: The message that plastic could be recycled was sinking in.

“I can only say that after a while, the atmosphere seemed to change,” he says. “I don’t know whether it was because people thought recycling had solved the problem or whether they were so in love with plastic products that they were willing to overlook the environmental concerns that were mounting up.”

But as the industry pushed those public strategies to get past the crisis, officials were also quietly launching a broader plan.

In the early 1990s, at a small recycling facility near San Diego, a man named Coy Smith was one of the first to see the industry’s new initiative.

Back then, Smith ran a recycling business. His customers were watching the ads and wanted to recycle plastic. So Smith allowed people to put two plastic items in their bins: soda bottles and milk jugs. He lost money on them, he says, but the aluminum, paper and steel from his regular business helped offset the costs.

But then, one day, almost overnight, his customers started putting all kinds of plastic in their bins.

“The symbols start showing up on the containers,” he explains.

Smith went out to the piles of plastic and started flipping over the containers. All of them were now stamped with the triangle of arrows — known as the international recycling symbol — with a number in the middle. He knew right away what was happening.

“All of a sudden, the consumer is looking at what’s on their soda bottle and they’re looking at what’s on their yogurt tub, and they say, ‘Oh well, they both have a symbol. Oh well, I guess they both go in,’ ” he says.

Unwanted used plastic sits outside Garten Services, a recycling facility in Oregon.

Laura Sullivan/NPR

The bins were now full of trash he couldn’t sell. He called colleagues at recycling facilities all across the country. They reported having the same problem.

Industry documents from this time show that just a couple of years earlier, starting in 1989, oil and plastics executives began a quiet campaign to lobby almost 40 states to mandate that the symbol appear on all plastic — even if there was no way to economically recycle it. Some environmentalists also supported the symbol, thinking it would help separate plastic.

Smith said what it did was make all plastic look recyclable.

“The consumers were confused,” Smith says. “It totally undermined our credibility, undermined what we knew was the truth in our community, not the truth from a lobbying group out of D.C.”

But the lobbying group in D.C. knew the truth in Smith’s community too. A report given to top officials at the Society of the Plastics Industry in 1993 told them about the problems.

“The code is being misused,” it says bluntly. “Companies are using it as a ‘green’ marketing tool.”

The code is creating “unrealistic expectations” about how much plastic can actually be recycled, it told them.

Smith and his colleagues launched a national protest, started a working group and fought the industry for years to get the symbol removed or changed. They lost.

“We don’t have manpower to compete with this,” Smith says. “We just don’t. Even though we were all dedicated, it still was like, can we keep fighting a battle like this on and on and on from this massive industry that clearly has no end in sight of what they’re able to do and willing to do to keep their image the image they want.”

“It’s pure manipulation of the consumer,” he says.

In response, industry officials told NPR that the code was only ever meant to help recycling facilities sort plastic and was not intended to create any confusion.

Without question, plastic has been critical to the country’s success. It’s cheap and durable, and it’s a chemical marvel.

It’s also hugely profitable. The oil industry makes more than $400 billion a year making plastic, and as demand for oil for cars and trucks declines, the industry is telling shareholders that future profits will increasingly come from plastic.

And if there was a sign of this future, it’s a brand-new chemical plant that rises from the flat skyline outside Sweeny, Texas. It’s so new that it’s still shiny, and inside the facility, the concrete is free from stains.

Chevron Phillips Chemical’s new $6 billion plastic manufacturing plant rises from the skyline in Sweeny, Texas. Company officials say they see a bright future for their products as demand for plastic continues to rise.

Laura Sullivan/NPR

This plant is Chevron Phillips Chemical’s $6 billion investment in new plastic.

“We see a very bright future for our products,” says Jim Becker, the vice president of sustainability for Chevron Phillips, inside a pristine new warehouse next to the plant.

“These are products the world needs and continues to need,” he says. “We’re very optimistic about future growth.”

With that growth, though, comes ever more plastic trash. But Becker says Chevron Phillips has a plan: It will recycle 100% of the plastic it makes by 2040.

Becker seems earnest. He tells a story about vacationing with his wife and being devastated by the plastic trash they saw. When asked how Chevron Phillips will recycle 100% of the plastic it makes, he doesn’t hesitate.

“Recycling has to get more efficient, more economic,” he says. “We’ve got to do a better job, collecting the waste, sorting it. That’s going to be a huge effort.”

Fix recycling is the industry’s message too, says Steve Russell, the industry’s recent spokesman.

“Fixing recycling is an imperative, and we’ve got to get it right,” he says. “I understand there is doubt and cynicism. That’s going to exist. But check back in. We’re there.”

Larry Thomas, Lew Freeman and Ron Liesemer, former industry executives, helped oil companies out of the first plastic crisis by getting people to believe something the industry knew then wasn’t true: That most plastic could be and would be recycled.

Russell says this time will be different.

“It didn’t get recycled because the system wasn’t up to par,” he says. “We hadn’t invested in the ability to sort it and there hadn’t been market signals that companies were willing to buy it, and both of those things exist today.”

But plastic today is harder to sort than ever: There are more kinds of plastic, it’s cheaper to make plastic out of oil than plastic trash and there is exponentially more of it than 30 years ago.

And during those 30 years, oil and plastic companies made billions of dollars in profit as the public consumed ever more quantities of plastic.

Russell doesn’t dispute that.

“And during that time, our members have invested in developing the technologies that have brought us where we are today,” he says. “We are going to be able to make all of our new plastic out of existing municipal solid waste in plastic.”

Recently, an industry advocacy group funded by the nation’s largest oil and plastic companies launched its most expensive effort yet to promote recycling and cleanup of plastic waste. There’s even a new ad.

New plastic bottles come off the line at a plastic manufacturing facility in Maryland. Plastic production is expected to triple by 2050.

Laura Sullivan/NPR

“We have the people that can change the world,” it says to soaring music as people pick up plastic trash and as bottles get sorted in a recycling center.

Freeman, the former industry official, recently watched the ad.

“Déjà vu all over again,” he says as the ad finishes. “This is the same kind of thinking that ran in the ’90s. I don’t think this kind of advertising is, is helpful at all.”

Larry Thomas said the same.

“I don’t think anything has changed,” Thomas says. “Sounds exactly the same.”

These days as Thomas bikes down by the beach, he says he spends a lot of time thinking about the oceans and what will happen to them in 20 or 50 years, long after he is gone.

And as he thinks back to those years he spent in conference rooms with top executives from oil and plastic companies, what occurs to him now is something he says maybe should have been obvious all along.

He says what he saw was an industry that didn’t want recycling to work. Because if the job is to sell as much oil as you possibly can, any amount of recycled plastic is competition.

“You know, they were not interested in putting any real money or effort into recycling because they wanted to sell virgin material,” Thomas says. “Nobody that is producing a virgin product wants something to come along that is going to replace it. Produce more virgin material — that’s their business.”

And they are. Analysts now expect plastic production to triple by 2050.

NPR



88 Comments on "How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled"

  1. makati1 on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 5:30 pm 

    Americans over 40, Do you remember…?

    1. “Sometimes you fell like a nut,
    Sometimes you don’t.”
    2. “Where’s the beef?”
    3. “Let’s have another cup of coffee,
    Let’s have a cup of ________!”
    4. “Snap! Crackle! Pop! _________!”
    5. (For you really older kids)
    “Howdy Kids! What time is it?”

    Answers:
    1. Almond Joy and Mounds ad.
    2. Wendy’s ad.
    3. Nescafe ad.
    4. Rice Krispie’s ad.
    5. “It’s Howdy Doody Time!”

    And you think you cannot be brainwashed. LMAO!

  2. makati1 on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 5:40 pm 

    Odds of dying from:
    Heart disease 1 in 6
    Cancer 1 in 7
    Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
    Suicide 1 in 86
    Opiod Overdose 1 in 98
    Motor Vehicle Crash 1 in 106
    Fall 1 in 111
    Drowning 1 in 1,121
    Fire 1 in 1,399
    With Covid-19 1 in 1,500
    Choking on food 1 in 2,618
    Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
    Covid-19 Only 1 in 27,000

    I’ll take my chances with the flu, thank you. ^_^

  3. makati1 on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 5:50 pm 

    “Influencing people‟s behavior is nothing new to Government, which has often used tools such as legislation, regulation or taxation to achieve desired policy outcomes. But many of the biggest policy challenges we are now facing –such as the increase in people with chronic health conditions –will only be resolved if we are successful in persuading people to change their behaviour, their lifestyles or their existing habits. Fortunately, over the last decade, our understanding of influences on behaviour has increased significantly and this points the way to new approaches and new solutions.

    So whilst behavioural theory has already been deployed to good effect in some areas, it has much greater potential to help us. To realise that potential, we have to build our capacity and ensure that we have a sophisticated understanding of what does influence behaviour. This report is an important step in that direction because it shows how behavioural theory could help achieve better outcomes for citizens, either by complementing more established policy tools, or by suggesting more innovative interventions. In doing so, it draws on the most recent academic evidence, as well as exploring the wide range of existing good work in applying behavioural theory across the public sector. Finally, it shows how these insights could be put to practical use.

    This report tackles complex issues on which there are wide-ranging public views. We hope it will help stimulate debate amongst policy-makers and stakeholders and help us build our capability to use behaviour theory in an appropriate and effective way”

    https://www.bi.team/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/MINDSPACE.pdf

    A brainwashing tool, to be used on stupid Amerikans. LOL

  4. JuanP on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 5:58 pm 

    Mak, you have idea what you might die from?

  5. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 6:33 pm 

    “Republican officials have been inundated with calls from worried activists and donors who complain about constant Biden ads in their local media markets, with very few paid Trump responses, according to people familiar with the conversations. Some Republicans close to Trump have been baffled at the decision to sharply curb advertising and have told the president he should change course.”

    The Fat Boy short of cash?
    Never been a problem before, even with 6 bankruptcies

  6. JuanP on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 7:07 pm 

    Trump Blowout Coming, More Blacks for Trump, Economy Sinking
    All this talk about the November 2020 Election being close is pure lunacy. My prediction is it’s going to be a blowout for President Trump in November. Here’s why. The 80 million mail-in ballots and attempted voter fraud that is planned by Democrats is just too much to pull off on this short of notice. We all know the voter fraud is coming, and it is simply not going to work. Much of it is going be detected and thwarted. The violence is going to go on, but that is not going to work either and has already backfired on Democrats that let their cities burn down. Arrests are coming, and don’t think they are not. Biden is a wild card, but only bad performances are coming in his declining state until Election Day. The real question is how bad will he get, and will he even be able to debate President Trump? Get real people. Dems are desperate, and desperate people do stupid things that don’t usually work out well.
    https://usawatchdog.com/

  7. makati1 on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 7:09 pm 

    Sure! I’ll die from old age. I have had several close calls in my life, all accidents, but I am still here, in good health at age 76, shooting for my 100th birthday. Already survived over 27,700 days. Only 10,000 to go! ^_^

  8. JuanP on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 7:19 pm 

    Mak, I am so glad we have spent all these years together. I think you are my best friend! Don’t stop coming around.

  9. makati1 on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 7:40 pm 

    JuanP, You are one of the few here that is intelligent, mature, and civil. It would have been nice if we had met and maybe become friends in real life, not just on the internet. Ah well. Woulda, coulda, shoulda! Have a great day!

  10. DT on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 9:58 pm 

    Plastic is the perfect example of pure corporate capitalism. Sell products in plastic touting all the wonders of freshness and convenience to the public at large, hence internalizing profits. Push the responsibility of disposal onto the end user/consumer by using recycling, that essentially is impossible, and or, printing do not litter dispose of properly on the single use products. The corporations, knowing full well that there is no way to do any such thing whereby externalizing costs onto the general public and environment.

  11. Go Speed Racer on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 10:31 pm 

    Plastic garbage is another perfect example
    where Liberals prove themselves to be idiots.

    Liberals are opposed to garbage incineration.
    They have 99% blocked garbage incineration
    in the USA. This is a shocking disgusting
    position which fouls the earth with garbage
    while also depriving us of valuable useful
    electricity generation.

    There is no basis whatsoever to oppose
    garbage incineration, other than the fact
    that liberals are wicked evil suicidal
    and destructive and want to destroy the
    planet.

    European countries (which are sacred to
    the Liberals) have huge amounts of
    garbage incineration. There is no problem
    with it and it makes the plastic garbage
    go away.

    But Liberals prefer to piss and moan and
    wring their hands together, and Liberals
    despise the solution to a problem, because
    they want to piss and moan and complain
    via their stupid treasonous Liberal Media.

    Go Trump 2020 !! Fuck Liberals !!

  12. Dick Toole on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 11:29 pm 

    Yes collecting and burning plastic, old tires, lazyboy chairs and any sort of roadside side castoffs is a great way to utilize clean green sustainable renewable non-liberal energy. I certainly hope Trump is listening.

  13. Go Speed Racer on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 2:11 am 

    OK make U a deal.
    If we can’t burn all that trash,
    turning it into electricity,

    how about we pile it all into
    your front yard.

    ALSO U pay the tab for the electricity
    we didn’t get to generate.
    Let’s see… at 30MW for a small
    trash incinerator, that will be
    $3000 / hr. And U have to keep
    paying it until U agree that we’re
    gonna burn all the fucking garbage.

  14. makati1 on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 4:00 am 

    If you tried to use trash for fueling power plants, it would all be gone in the first year or less. Even the mountains piled in landfills.

    Not to mention the filtering system needed for all the carcinogenic smoke and fumes. Loading hauling, unloading, etc. A net energy loss, I am sure. And then you have to bury the toxic ash. Green techie dreams. LOL

  15. The Board on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 5:50 am 

    The following posts were made by davyskum, ID thief, and sock puppet dumbass. They were not made by JuanP

    JuanP(davy) on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 5:58 pm

    JuanP(davy) on Sat, 12th Sep 2020 7:19 pm

  16. zero juan on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 6:25 am 

    the nightly fuck face lunatic JuanP:

    The Board said The following posts were made by davyskum, ID thie…

    Go Speed Racer said OK make U a deal. If we can’t burn all that…

    Dick Toole said Yes collecting and burning plastic, old tires, laz…

    Go Speed Racer said Plastic garbage is another perfect example where L…

    DT said Plastic is the perfect example of pure corporate c…

  17. Davy on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 6:30 am 

    “JuanP, You are one of the few here that is intelligent, mature, and civil. It would have been nice if we had met and maybe become friends in real life, not just on the internet.”

    My Gawd that was stupid and delusional. Wak, is completely situationally unaware. It mut be his declining mental faculties. Wak, JuanP is the forum lunatic and destroyer of intellectual activity. He dumps stupidity and hate daily like a stalking lunatic. He is a sociopathic narcissistic fool that has taken an intellectual common and dirtied it with his nasty behavior. The fuck needs to be cancelled becuase this is not free speech it is sewage.

  18. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 7:57 am 

    My postings will be light today because my chronic depression is elevated. This tropical storm sally did damage to my condo. My roof is leaking. I hope to be back at my trolling of the exceptionalist in a few days or so. Maybe Anonymouse can chip in an help stalk the exceptionalist. Thanks amigos

  19. Davy on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 8:00 am 

    “JuanP, You are one of the few here that is intelligent, mature, and civil. It would have been nice if we had met and maybe become friends in real life, not just on the internet.”

    You know what, I actually agree wak. JuanP is everything you say and more. And I am
    sorry about my stupidity at 6:30. I believe fairness and balance are #1, but sometimes, I just shoot off my stupid mouth without thinking things through. I read what I posted and its almost like someone else is doing typing out my hateful and stupid garbage.
    But enough of that wak. Here is the REAL story everyone.

    My Gawd that was stupid and delusional. I am completely situationally unaware. It mut be my declining mental faculties. I am the forum lunatic and destroyer of intellectual activity. I dump stupidity and hate daily like a stalking lunatic. I am a sociopathic narcissistic fool that has taken an intellectual common and dirtied it with my nasty behavior. I need to be cancelled becuase this is not free speech it is sewage.

    You know what, this bout of honest has been really refreshing. I should try it more often. Like, once a year or so.

  20. the board on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 8:25 am 

    JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 8:00 am

    “JuanP, You are one of the few here that is intelligent, mature, and civil. It would have been nice if we had met and maybe become friends in real life, not just on the internet.”

    juanPPee, why don’t you and wak get a room and comfort each other. You both are mentally ill. Sex might help.

    “You know what, I actually agree wak. JuanP is everything you say and more. And I am sorry about my stupidity at 6:30. I believe fairness and balance are #1, but sometimes, I just shoot off my stupid mouth without thinking things through. I read what I posted and its almost like someone else is doing typing out my hateful and stupid garbage. But enough of that wak. Here is the REAL story everyone.”

    Come on juanPPee, you agree with Wak because you two are in love. You do shoot off your mouth but maybe wak should put his limp dick in it and your nonsense might be reduced.

    “My Gawd that was stupid and delusional. I am completely situationally unaware. It mut be my declining mental faculties. I am the forum lunatic and destroyer of intellectual activity. I dump stupidity and hate daily like a stalking lunatic. I am a sociopathic narcissistic fool that has taken an intellectual common and dirtied it with my nasty behavior. I need to be cancelled becuase this is not free speech it is sewage.” “You know what, this bout of honest has been really refreshing. I should try it more often. Like, once a year or so.”

    You are not honest, juanPPee, even when you think you are it is just honesty to your sociopathic deranged ego. You are a sociopath and cannot be reformed. Hopefully you will be jailed one of these days. You belong in prison.

  21. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 8:34 am 

    JuanP on Tue, 25th Jun 2019 9:55 pm
    For the record. I am the real JuanP and I haven’t posted a single comment here since before 9/13. I’ve moved on to greener pastures. I would recommend you all do the same. Reading the comments here or posting something is a complete waste of your lives. This website is fucked beyond redemption. Move on, guys!

  22. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 9:12 am 

    Darwin is sorting things out:

    Dakotas Lead US In Virus Growth As Both Reject Mask Rules

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dakota-coronavirus-masks-virus-surge_n_5f5d6952c5b62874bc1de817

  23. hair plugs in search of a brain on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 9:15 am 

    Time to burn my couches and take the evil spirits away.
    The rats are in the walls.

  24. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 9:17 am 

    His Nazi Pals Are Now Cops

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/he-was-the-neo-nazi-who-inspired-american-history-x-his-nazi-pals-are-now-cops?ref=home?ref=home

    Who would of thought? (sarc)

  25. Davy on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 9:19 am 

    For the record. I am the real JuanP (sock) and I haven’t posted a single sane comment here since before 9/13 or anytime really. I’ve moved on to REAL GREENER pastures. I would recommend you all do the same. Reading my stupid comments here or posting something is a complete waste of your lives. I have fucked this website beyond redemption.

    Victory!!!!

  26. The archives of a lunatic on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:03 am 

    JuanP on Mon, 23rd May 2016 8:53 am
    I was just telling my wife yesterday that I would very willingly give my arms, legs, tongue, eyes, ears, nuts, and dick to experience life like normal people do for just one hour to know what it feels like. I have been a seriously depressed realist since I have a memory. My first memory of my life is of leaning against a tree alone in my kindergarten’s playground looking at all the other kids playing, thinking how stupid their behavior was, and wondering why I wasn’t like them. I basically don’t interact with normal people anymore. They have nothing to offer me and I don’t want to give them anything.

  27. Fake on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:07 am 

    “Darwin is sorting things out: Dakotas Lead US In Virus Growth As Both Reject Mask Rules https://www.huffpost.com

  28. The archives of a lunatic on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:11 am 

    JuanP on Fri, 15th May 2015 11:21 am
    I did therapy for over a decade and most of it was a waste, but I had one therapist for a year who understood my issues and that helped, though I am still thoroughly screwed up.

  29. Dumbcan on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:12 am 

    My friends are hard at work:
    Protesters show up at LA hospital treating ambushed cops, yell ‘I hope they f—— die’
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-hospital-los-angeles-sheriffs-deputies-ambushed

  30. REAL Green on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:23 am 

    We need to see the docter Davy. REAL Bad like. Are mentle trubbles is getting wurse and wurse.

  31. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:25 am 

    Grotesque, Bigoted, illiterate Game Show Host and Real Estate Grifter

    Late stage capitalism was never going to be fun

  32. Code Orange! Covid 20 sharts! on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:50 am 

    Sadly I too have the covid sharts.

    Luckily I stocked up on 3 years of face masks and toilet paper when I was panicking.

  33. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:51 am 

    It’s the start of the war on terror of covid !!
    The government wants to keep us safe!

  34. Go Speed Racer on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:54 am 

    When I feel things are getting me down I turn that frown upside down!

    I burn my old sofas to the ground!

    Happy Martian public holidays to everyone !

  35. Lee Harvey Oswalds spotter on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:56 am 

    I’ve run out of toilet paper, Goodbye cruel world!

  36. Got the rona' sharts big time on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:57 am 

    Me too! The movement is coming!

  37. Germaine Greer on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:57 am 

    Me too!

  38. Davy on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:02 am 

    We is JuanP. N JuanP is us. Nutters were tellin y’all.

    NUTTERS!

  39. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:04 am 

    Look y’all sufferin’ with covid sharts. Just squeeze your cheeks together and hope for the best. That’s what I do when I’m in prison.

  40. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:12 am 

    Trump supporters are freaking out and “baffled” as his campaign shows signs of weakness

    https://www.salon.com/2020/09/13/trump-supporters-are-freaking-out-and-baffled-as-his-campaign-shows-signs-of-weakness-report_partner/

    No worries– he will steal it, something he has some literacy in

  41. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:14 am 

    Hint:
    Stupid is cheap

  42. the board on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:59 am 

    JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 10:23 am

    We nee”d to see the docter Davy. REAL Bad like. Are mentle trubbles is getting wurse and wurse.”

    juanPPee, I have been telling you for years you are sick, GET HELP BEFORE YOU GO POSTAL!!

  43. the board on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:01 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:02 am

    We is JuanP. N JuanP is us. Nutters were tellin y’all. NUTTERS!”

    Stop babbling like a crazy fuck, GET HELP BEFORE YOU GO POSTAL!!

  44. zero juan on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:02 pm 

    Daily lunatic from juanPPee:

    Davy said We is JuanP. N JuanP is us. Nutters were tellin y’…

    Germaine Greer said Me too!

    Got the rona’ sharts big time said Me too! The movement is coming!

    Lee Harvey Oswalds spotter said I’ve run out of toilet paper, Goodbye cruel

    Go Speed Racer said When I feel things are getting me down I turn that…

    Code Orange! Covid 20 sharts! said Sadly I too have the covid sharts. Luckily I stock…

    REAL Green said We need to see the docter Davy. REAL Bad like. Are…

  45. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:05 pm 

    Duncan Idaho on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 11:14 am

    “Hint: Stupid is cheap”

    right dumbcan, that is why your comments are so cheap and worthless.

  46. Germany: Muslim screaming ‘Allahu akbar’ opens driver’s car door and stabs him, critically injuring him Sep 13, 2020 1:00 pm By Robert Spencer Leave a Comment Remember: any study of how the scream of “Allahu akbar” on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:08 pm 

    relates to the knife attack would be “Islamophobic,”

    china harvests all their muzzies
    we still don’t, when?

  47. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:10 pm 

    Rep. Jim Banks: Radical left has moved from ‘Defund the Police to Death to Police’

    “Obviously, a tragic story. And from Indiana, our thoughts and prayers go out to these police officers,” said Rep. Banks on Fox and Friends on Sunday morning. “But we’ve seen this coming. We’ve seen the radical left move from chanting defund the police to death to police. And what every Democrat should answer on every Sunday morning show this morning that they appear on, is whether or not they will support the police and call on this left-wing mob around the country to stand-ups and to support the police instead.” Rep. Banks called on Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and Nancy Pelosi to “call on their supporters to stop the madness, support our law enforcement officers, and quit engaging in violent activities like these.”

    https://saraacarter.com/rep-jim-banks-radical-left-has-moved-from-defund-the-police-to-death-to-police/

  48. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:15 pm 

    Can you believe these woke fucks canceling all these conservative things then promoting pedophilia!! Dumbcan, you should be ashamed of yourself!

    Nexflix’s ‘Cuties’ is Even Worse Than the Trailer

    He then reveals the details of other revolting scenes in the film, including the girls experimenting with webcam porn and a girl taking a photo of her vagina and posting it online. While Turkey’s media watchdog has ordered the film removed from Turkey’s Netflix portal, British newspaper the Independent described the movie as an “important contribution to the coming-of-age genre.” The New Yorker’s blasted a “scurrilous campaign against the film” waged by right-wingers, while Rolling Stone called the movie “a sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen.”

    https://summit.news/2020/09/10/nexflixs-cuties-is-even-worse-than-the-trailer/

  49. JuanP on Sun, 13th Sep 2020 12:29 pm 

    Apparently Omar Isn’t Fazed By Cops Being Shot at for No Reason

    On Saturday night, two Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department deputies were shot while sitting in their patrol car in Compton. Black Lives Matter rioters rushed to the hospital, shouting things like “I hope they f**king die,” “Death to the police,” and “Kill the police.” Despite that, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) went on MNSBC on Sunday to talk about “defunding” the police – or what she calls “reimagining” policing in America… This whole idea of “defunding” the police, “reimagining” the police – whatever you want to call it – is what got us into this mess. This anti-law enforcement sentiment is dangerous. Assuming that all officers are bad apples that are out to harm and even kill people of color is what has officers on edge. It’s why Amazon selling disgusting “blue lives murder” shirts are socially acceptable. It’s why the deputies in Compton were shot simply for sitting in a parked patrol car. It’s why the NYPD’s retirement applications increased by 400 percent, because officers are afraid of being targeted because of their profession.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/09/13/despite-two-officer-being-shot-at-point-blank-range-omars-still-advocating-for-defunding-the-police-n2576121

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