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Fast-Melting Greenland Glacier Starts Growing Again In Massive U-Turn

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A large and fast-melting glacier in Greenland is growing again, according to a new NASA study. The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier on Greenland’s west coast had reportedly been retreating by around 1.8 miles and thinning by nearly 130 feet annually in 2012.

May 30, 2012, photo shows an iceberg in or just outside the Ilulissat fjord that likely calved from the Jakobshavn glacier in west Greenland. (Ian Joughin/Associated Press)

According to a study published in Monday’s peer-reviewed Nature Geoscience, however, the glacier began growing at about the same rate over the past two years. That said, the authors of the study swear it’s temporary.

“At first we didn’t believe it,” said lead author Ala Khazendar who works at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). “We had pretty much assumed that Jakobshavn would just keep going on as it had over the last 20 years.”

Jakobshavn glacier (photo: Google Earth)

Co-author Josh Willis said that while this is “good news” on a temporary basis, it’s still “bad news” over the long term because it means that ocean temperatures are a larger factor in the growth and melting of glaciers than previously thought.

“In the long run we’ll probably have to raise our predictions of sea level rise again,” says Willis, pointing to inevitable doom from man-made global warming.

“That was kind of a surprise. We kind of got used to a runaway system,” said Jason Box, a Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland ice and climate scientist who was not involved in the study.

Think of the ocean temperatures near Greenland like an escalator that’s rising slowly from global warming, Khazendar said. But the natural North Atlantic Oscillation sometimes is like jumping down a few steps or jumping up a few steps. The water can get cooler and have effects, but in the long run it is getting warmer and the melting will be worse, he said.

Four outside scientists said the study and results make sense.

University of Washington ice scientist Ian Joughin, who wasn’t part of the study and predicted such a change seven years ago, said it would be a “grave mistake” to interpret the latest data as contradicting climate change science.

What’s happening, Joughin said, is “to a large extent, a temporary blip. Downturns do occur in the stock market, but overall the long term trajectory is up. This is really the same thing.” –AP

Of course, what will they say if and when the sun enters a Maunder Minimum in 2020? The last time there was a prolonged solar minimum, it lead to a mini ice-age which was scientifically known as the Maunder minimum

SHTFplan.com’s Mac Slavo wrote last November that sunspots have been absent for most of 2018 and Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding, says Phillips, the editor of spaceweather.com.

Data from NASA’s TIMED (Thermosphere Ionosphere Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics) satellite shows that the thermosphere (the uppermost layer of air around our planet) is cooling and shrinking, literally decreasing the radius of the atmosphere. This reduction of solar activity could result in a global cooling phase.

“The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways the solar cycle affects our planet,” said Mlynczak, according to The New American

The new NASA findings are in line with studies released by UC-San Diego and Northumbria University in Great Britain last year, both of which predict a Grand Solar Minimum in coming decades due to low sunspot activity.

Both studies predicted sun activity similar to the Maunder Minimum of the mid-17th to early 18th centuries, which coincided to a time known as the Little Ice Age, during which temperatures were much lower than those of today.

zerohedge


50 Comments on "Fast-Melting Greenland Glacier Starts Growing Again In Massive U-Turn"

  1. JuanP on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 6:05 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I forgot the link again

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-28/first-we-didnt-believe-it-fast-melting-greenland-glacier-starts-growing-again

  2. makati1 on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 6:23 pm 

    Global warming is the total of ALL temperatures around the world, not just one spot. And all 365 days, not just a cold spell or a hot spell. It is the total ongoing melt all over the globe that counts and points the way.

    While the US was having its winter vortex, Australia was sweltering in record heat. We have moved into “summer” here and it gets into the low 90s most days.

  3. twocats on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 7:15 pm 

    if you’ve been studying this issue closely the rise in cold/ice in Greenland is not a shock – as the arctic warms up, the polar vortex is going to shift to the coldest spot – which is going to tend to be Greenland because the glaciers keep the area cold (for now). the north pole/arctic will be ice free long before Greenland.

  4. Joe B on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 8:31 pm 

    The Globull Warming computer models predicted this …

  5. makati1 on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 9:07 pm 

    twocats, yes, you are correct. The old “balance” of predictable weather is over. The future will be more “vortex”, mid-US hurricanes, hotter hots, colder colds and a changing mix that will make farming a real gamble in the US, China and Australia. Large countries with a tendency of hot, dry interiors.

  6. Cloggie on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 9:33 pm 

    We will all be flooded by water from melting ice soon, just like in 2019 we are all waiting in queues for days on end for gasoline, because of peak oil, as predicted by Richard H.

    Seriously, the real immanent doom will be social and geopolitical, peak oil and cc can wait.

  7. dissident on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 11:11 pm 

    Queue all the moron deniers, trained like Pavlov’s dogs to drool over any delusional scrap that “proves” global warming is a “hoax”. You morons don’t even know whether the whole Greenland ice sheet is growing or not. Also, morons, no scientist in the field ever claimed that every year requires a net ice loss. There are decadal variations in ocean-atmosphere heat exchange and ocean currents do shift on time scales as short as one year.

    When the Greenland ice sheet recovers the mass it has lost in the last 30 years, come back and let us informed people know that we were all wrong. LOL.

  8. Joe B on Thu, 28th Mar 2019 11:44 pm 

    Memo to you ‘informed’ people …
    You are all wrong.
    Funny thing is, all us dumbasses are starting to outnumber your dwindling cohort of deranged alarmists by at least 5 to 1.

  9. makati1 on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:01 am 

    Joe, your ignorance and lack of education is showing….(Are you Delusional Davy by any chance? lol)

  10. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:11 am 

    makati1, stop the childing bullying and put downs and try to act like an adult

    “Joe, your ignorance and lack of education is showing….(Are you Delusional Davy by any chance? lol)”

  11. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:15 am 

    ‘Mother of all caravans’ is forming up in Honduras: interior secretary

    https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mother-of-all-caravans-gathering-in-honduras/

    Keep em coming!

    Well need em all to start a new proliferate!

  12. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:28 am 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I meant to say ‘childish’ bullying.

    I hate this stupid cellphone

  13. Dredd on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:43 am 

    As in financial net worth, the bottom line is the one to sing about.

    The bottom line with this paper is:

    But, as mentioned, the glacier [Jakobshavn] is still contributing to ocean level rise worldwide, as it’s still losing more ice to the ocean than it is gaining from snow accumulation, the researchers said.

    (Live Science).

    Ice sheet mass balance is the subject those who can’t fathom this issue need to study.

    Lot’s of comments with little value by those who also can’t balance their own check books is telling.

  14. Darrell Cloud on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 7:56 am 

    It’s called weather for a reason. Nothing said or posted will cause Asia to shut down their factories and coal fired plants. Prepare for the collapse. All else is hopium.

  15. shortonoil on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 9:04 am 

    So, what they are telling us is they don’t have a clue as to how glaciers are formed! They need another $trillion grant. We can’t be sure that GW will wipe all life off the planet without it. The reassurance that would come from that would be worth every dime?

  16. shortonoil on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 10:19 am 

    “We will all be flooded by water from melting ice soon, just like in 2019 we are all waiting in queues for days on end for gasoline, because of peak oil, as predicted by Richard H.”

    Another one of cloggy’s completely unrelated associations. The oil situation can’t be a problem because someone saw a polar bear in Greenland? Which proves the Saudi won’t stop pumping oil until icebergs become a problem in the Persian Gulf. Thanks for clearing up 2019 for us. The rest of us must have missed it? Let’s just hope that his Space Herpes aren’t contagions.

  17. Dredd on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 10:23 am 

    AG Barr says this proves Trump did not cahwoood on global warming (Mysterious Zones of The Arctic – 6).

  18. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 10:31 am 

    Pelosi and McConnell Are Inching Us Closer to Nuclear War Against Russia

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/pelosi-and-mcconnell-are-inching-us-closer-nuclear-war/

  19. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 11:30 am 

    The “New Energy Economy”: An Exercise in Magical Thinking

    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible

  20. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 12:17 pm 

    There may be no way we can do a 100% renewable economy but I feel we can do an over 50% renewable economy with some effort.
    This is what should matter at this point because over 50% will make us much more resilient and greener. Lets get there and then worry about getting closer to 100%.

  21. Dredd on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 12:21 pm 

    Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 12:17 pm

    Yep, for sure we gotta try.

  22. Cloggie on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 1:12 pm 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0fokt5Nfo

    Dutch MSM documentary with English language snippets (Bloomberg Energy). Only fools deny the developments in renewable energy. Several countries are now passed the tipping point, where solar-PV electricity is cheaper than electricity from fossil. In 5 years time, 80% of the countries worldwide will have passed that tipping point. In India, building of new coal plants is abandoned because of price development in solar.

    This board can be a little backwards at times.

    There is no energy problem.

  23. Cloggie on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 1:28 pm 

    City Group: renewable energy is no longer chasing capital, capital is chasing renewable energy. 130-150 TRILLION $ are becoming available from the large funds. There is more money than projects.

    Renewable energy has long won the energy battle.

    We are going to have a “solar economy” by 2050. End of story.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0fokt5Nfo

    Generating cheap renewable energy is no longer the challenge, the challenge is storage. Dutch project where solar energy from roof panels is stored in large car batteries, which are used in the evening to power the neighborhood.

    Renewable energy that is locally produced enhances the chances for peace. No more fighting over (energy) resources or pipeline battles.

  24. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 3:29 pm 

    Former NASA scientist and climate advocate James Hansen said “suggesting that renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the United States, China, India, or the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.”

    Solar and Wind produced less than two percent of total world energy in 2016 — IEA WEO 2017
    https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf

  25. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 3:33 pm 

    Clogg

    The world has already blown a trillion dollars since 2000..And solar and wind only make up 2 percent of total world energy..

    And the more solar and wind you add the higher your power bills will climb..Denmark and Germany pay nearly double what the US does for electricity..And its causing their factories to move offshore..And in Australia wind power caused rolling blackouts..

    So if you want to destroy jobs, double your power bills, and have black outs..Keep supporting renewables..

    And they aren’t renewable, they are derivatives..

    Clogg knows FF are going to start running out soon and he is scared of collapse..Because he is a no dick loser coward..

    Who has more to lose from being wrong? Me or clogg?

    I rest my case..

  26. Cloggie on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 3:57 pm 

    Who has more to lose from being wrong? Me or clogg?

    Who should we trust… Bloomberg Energy/City Group or our resident rapist wannabee?

    Asking the question is answering it.

  27. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:04 pm 

    “There is no energy problem.”

    That is about as stupid as your wild PBM fantasies

  28. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:09 pm 

    Clogg

    Its not about the money.. Its about the Intermittency..We have already proven that you can spend a fortune for very tiny results..

    And it doesn’t matter how much the cost come down..They could be free and they still couldn’t replace fossil fuels

    Here is a university of Chicago study..

    Study predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels
    https://phys.org/news/2016-02-world-economy-fossil-fuels.html

    Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers

    Windmills, solar, tidal – all a ‘false hope’, say Stanford PhDs

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/

  29. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:16 pm 

    30-year-old spy Maria Butina will be sentenced in April for conspiring to infiltrate the NRA on behalf of Russia

    https://www.businessinsider.com/maria-butina-russian-spy-sentencing-in-april-nra-2019-3

    HAHA! Putin we got your girl!

  30. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:19 pm 

    Poll: Trump Trails Every Top 2020 Dem In Pennsylvania

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/poll-trump-trails-every-top-2020-dem-in-pennsylvania

  31. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:28 pm 

    Oops, sorry Cloggmeister Sir.

    What I meant to say was I respectfully disagree with your opinion, and I admire your optimism on both the PBM front, as well as your take on renewable energy.

    The simple reality of the matter is, neither one of us really knows for sure.

  32. Cloggie on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:44 pm 

    And it doesn’t matter how much the cost come down..They could be free and they still couldn’t replace fossil fuels
    Here is a university of Chicago study..
    Study predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels
    https://phys.org/news/2016-02-world-economy-fossil-fuels.html
    Renewable energy ‘simply won’t work’: Top Google engineers
    Windmills, solar, tidal – all a ‘false hope’, say Stanford PhDs
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/21/renewable_energy_simply_wont_work_google_renewables_engineers/

    I can fully sympathise with your despair, considering the quality of the human material you are forced to live with these days in formerly first world country USofA. Leave it to the Mother Civilization, they know best.

    http://marchofthetitans.com

  33. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:45 pm 

    Charlottesville Jury Fines Man $1 for Punching White Nationalist

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/charlottesville-jury-dollar-fine-jason-kessler-white-nationalist-719985/

    Well worth it..Too bad clogg will never his keyboard or he would get his clock cleaned by antifa like Richard Spencer did..

    LOL

  34. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:47 pm 

    Clogg

    Solar and wind have been around over 50 years..And they have been an epic fail..

    Enjoy the oil shortage coming your way..And remember it took only two years for the USSR to collapse from an oil shortage..And 90 percent of their population lost everything they had in their banks..

    Enjoy your fast collapse!

  35. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:52 pm 

    First time voter for Trump

    https://i.redd.it/3kxmcyb6t2p21.jpg

    That lil puke needs to get his ass kicked..

  36. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:53 pm 

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez receives so many death threats her staff performs visitor risk assessments

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ocasio-cortez-death-threats-democrat-risk-assessment-security-staff-aoc-green-new-deal-trump-a8833751.html

  37. Not Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:54 pm 

    Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 4:28 pm

  38. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 5:00 pm 

    More hypocritical democraps:

    What In The Actual F*ck?”: Biden 2020 Odds Drop After Accusation Of Creepy Hair Smelling And “Big Slow Kiss
    Former Democratic nominee for Nevada lieutenant governor Lucy Flores has accused former Vice-President Joe Biden of smelling her hair before planting a “big slow kiss” on her head in what has become somewhat of a predatory trademark maneuver.

  39. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 5:20 pm 

    JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 5:00 pm

  40. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 5:21 pm 

    MSNBC Editor ‘Bullies’ Journalist On Behalf Of DNC During ‘Highly Unethical’ Call
    Profile picture for user Tyler Durden
    by Tyler Durden
    Fri, 03/29/2019 – 14:56
    Left-leaning journalist Yashar Ali was pressured by MSNBC/NBC’s managing politics editor Dafna Linzer, “on behalf of the DNC,” to delay a scoop on dates for the 2020 Democratic primary debates so that they could scramble to notify state parties before the story was published in his newsletter, according to Ali.

  41. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 5:24 pm 

    Rand Paul Rages “Officials Must Be Asked Under Oath What Obama Knew, And When?”
    Citing a ‘high-level source,’ Rand Paul says former CIA Director John Brennan grew frustrated that no one was giving credence to the Clinton-funded dossier, so he attached it to an intelligence report, ensuring that it would be seen by President Obama and President-elect Trump.
    When asked specifically if former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former CIA Director John Brennan, and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice should be called to testify about their role in the matter – and be subpoenaed to force their testimony if they refuse to voluntarily comply.
    Paul said: “Absolutely. We have John Brennan, who lied to us, who spied on the Senate and tapped into Senate computers,” Paul said.
    “We have James Clapper who came before the Intelligence Committee and said they weren’t collecting all of our phone data. So both Brennan and Clapper have been known to lie in official testimony. They should be brought forward and asked what was their part? What was their role in ginning up this dossier? Amazingly, most media outlets wouldn’t even print the dossier because they thought it was so unsubstantiated. And then all of a sudden, the FBI gives it credence. There’s one interesting story out today that says still no one would print it, so then Comey gives it to President Trump and that’s when it’s been leaked and then we have a news story saying that this dossier had been given to the president and that became the hook or the story.”
    “I think it’s a terrible tragedy,” Paul said of the investigation. “It cost us $30 million, two years to go through all of this, the media has been so consumed by all of this that they have barely had time to report on any of the real news of the day. I think we shouldn’t allow this to happen again to a Republican or a Democrat.”

  42. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 6:19 pm 

    Shut-up, DavySkum. I know it’s you who is stealing my handle, pervert.

  43. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 6:42 pm 

    I am really losing it today but that is because boney joe and I are not getting along and we have been days together on our sailing adventure in close quarters.

  44. iceage on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 9:28 pm 

    How many years of cooling do you fact deniers have to experience before you acknowledge that your CO2 theory is false? Good thing is most of you liars will starve and die a horrible death. In the end everyone gets what they deserve.

  45. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 11:00 pm 

    All posts by JuanP are really me, but everyone here knows that already.

    Maybe it’s about time for me to talk with my psychiatrist again?

  46. Davy on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 11:05 pm 

    Hey y’all. Did I mention that i’m lurning disabled?

  47. JuanP on Fri, 29th Mar 2019 11:24 pm 

    OK dumbasses.

    I’m going to bed now. If I don’t get my widdle pussy sleepybyes I get even more obnoxious then usual.

  48. Davy on Sat, 30th Mar 2019 2:21 am 

    Message to President Pumpkinhead:

    I would rather be a pencil neck than a mushroom dick.

  49. Juan mental illness activity on Sat, 30th Mar 2019 3:33 am 

    JuanP drinking and drugging posts

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