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Donald Trump versus the Club of Rome

With Trump’s threats to dismantle the EPA and trash the Endangered Species Act, Norm Sanders reminds us of the Club of Rome’s warning that Planet Earth was finite.

JUST ABOUT everybody on earth knows who Donald Trump is, but many have never heard of the Club of Rome and its forecasts for the future of life on Planet Earth. The Club of Rome was formed in 1968 in Italy as a global think tank to deal with international issues such as the state of the environment, including climate change and the world economic system. Its basic premise was that the earth was finite. Members were high-powered individuals from international politics, science and business.

In 1972, the Club issued a report entitledThe Limits to Growth. The book sold 30 million copies in many translations and became a bible for environmentalists. The book was based on the work of husband and wife team, Donella and Dennis Meadows, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. They developed a cutting-edge computer model called “World 3” to track the global economy and the environment.

The team modelled industrialization, population, food, use of resources and pollution. They entered data up to 1970, and then projected a set of scenarios which extended to 2100. Their modelling showed that humanity urgently needed to take serious and immediate action on all levels.

‘Limits to Growth’ and Paul Erlich’s Population Bomb‘ were instrumental in raising awareness and the political clout necessary to bring in the extensive environmental legislation of the 1970s now being targeted by President Trump.

Sceptics from the big end of town rubbished the findings for years in the face of common sense and obvious planetary degradation, but the forecasts have turned out to be frighteningly accurate. In 2009, Paul Ehrlich said:

“Perhaps the most serious flaw in The Bomb was that it was much too optimistic about the future.”

As Limits to Growth concluded in 1972:

‘If the present growth trends in world population, industrialisation, pollution, food production, and resource depletion continue unchanged, the limits to growth on this planet will be reached sometime within the next one hundred years. The most probable result will be a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline in both population and industrial capacity.

In other words, there would be “overshoot and collapse” in the environment, population and economy if it was business as usual. Original author Dennis Meadows speaking at the ‘Limits to Growth conference’ in 2014 shortened the overshoot-collapse time-frame down to 2015-2020.

The Limits to Growth — is the prediction of 1972 going to happen?

Extreme weather events, coral bleaching, drought, famine, accelerating species extinction and oceanic acidification are all indicators that he may be right. Last month, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists set the doomsday clock to 2.5 minutes to midnight, the closest in 30 years. Other indications are the “survivalists.” No longer are they just the eccentric camo-clad gun-toting subjects of TV shows. Now they include much richer people from big business including hedge-fund managers and technology CEOs.

These high-fliers are used to looking into the future and don’t like what they see. Many are buying “holiday homes” in New Zealand. In the first seven days after Donald Trump’s election, 13,401 Americans registered with New Zealand’s immigration authorities, more than seventeen times the usual rate. The influx has prompted the formation of “The Campaign Against Foreign Control of Aotearoa.” They say:

“Yanks, get this in your heads. Aotearoa NZ is not your little last resort safe haven.”

Enter Donald Trump. No longer is it even business as usual, but business as it was conducted in the 19th Century — the era of the American Robber Barons. He fancies himself as a later day Rockefeller, Astor or Stanford, men who made fortunes by laissez-faire exploitation of America’s resources. There were no pesky environmental regulations or native land rights. (In fact, if the natives got in the way, they were shot.)

In order to “Make America Great” in those days, the government gave away huge tracts of land on both sides of railway right-of-ways as an incentive to the railway tycoons. (Who mostly used immigrant Chinese for construction workers.) This formerly public land was funnelled into private pockets and became the source of many huge fortunes.

Of course, there were protests from the public, which came to a head over Yellowstone Park in 1886. The park, the first in the world, was established in Ulysses S. Grant in 1872. It was mismanaged for years, with mining and forestry activities scarring the landscape. In 1886, the U.S. Government yielded to the many voices of concern and called in the U.S. Calvary to sort things out. The Calvary defended the park for 30 years which is the kind of commitment National Parks SHOULD have.

Donald Trump has already shown interest in reducing protection for public lands by handing them over the States who are more prone to influence by resource exploiters. In addition, he has put a moratorium on hiring, which is hampering already understaffed National Park Service operations.

He is quickly dragging the U.S. back to the open-slather days of the past when cartoons showing black smoke belching from chimneys was a sign of prosperity. One of his first executive orders was to force ALL government agencies to rescind two regulations for each new one. Trump also wants to increase business profits by drastically cutting company taxes

He has vowed to get rid of the Environmental Protection Agency and has appointed climate change sceptic Scott Pruitt as Secretary to oversee the dismantling. Moves are also afoot to trash the Endangered Species Act and anything else that gets in the way of “Making America Great Again.” And don’t forget that Trump picked the former Exxon Mobil CEO as Secretary of State. 1890s laissez-faire is back.

Donald Trump is the quintessential denizen of the big end of town. He doesn’t believe in climate change and has probably never heard of the Club of Rome. His appreciation of the environment extends only as far as the manicured grass of his golf courses. Trump’s typical reaction to any obstruction is bullying, bluster and threats.

Donald, it won’t work this time. As scientist and economist Robert K. Watson said:

“Mother nature is just chemistry, biology and physics. That’s all she is. You cannot sweet-talk her. You cannot spin her. You cannot tell her that the oil companies say climate change is a hoax. No, Mother Nature is going to do whatever chemistry, biology and physics dictate. Mother nature always bats last, and she always bats 1,000.”

Norm Sanders is a former University of California professor and retired Australian Federal senator.

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58 Comments on "Donald Trump versus the Club of Rome"

  1. joe on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 7:27 am 

    Maybe Trump is just being real. The world is fu**ked, the America that voted for Trump is jobless and still pissed off classless bunch of dirty white trash. Pity the falseflag racism identity politics of liberalism and so called alt right stops all poor people coming together to do somthing really good like hang the 1%. Its still divide and rule and even when collapse comes people will only become more divided not less. We will be fish in a drying out pond, nothing more.

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 7:35 am 

    And now Trump wants more nukes than Russia too:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-exclusive-idUSKBN1622IF

    Picture this. Arizona, High Noon. Two Wild West types, named Russia and America facing each other, with both hands near the guns. Apart from both these guns at the hips, both have their entire bodies, front and back, decorated with more guns.

    And now the America type wants to carry even more guns. That will make the difference, sure thing!

    Ah well, as long as he blows up the liberal Soros One World establishment, he has my blessing.

  3. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 7:37 am 

    Pity the falseflag racism identity politics of liberalism and so called alt right stops all poor people coming together to do somthing really good like hang the 1%.

    Joe, the closet anti-semite.lol

  4. Davy on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 7:46 am 

    More friggen Anglosphere anti-American drivel and leftist Trump Butt Hurt. Come on, Trump is your legacy of failure. You are failures on every and all levels and you deserve the consequences. Trying to project your cognitive dissonance of failure on to Trump just allows you to play the continual self-deception game. Modern life cannot be reformed and its stink denied.

    You liberal elite all played the game of wealth transfer and fake news during you position of power. You took from others to enhance your privileged and elitism. The many examples are blatant and grotesque. Just witness student debt and academia. One of the largest US Government liability on its books is student debt. How about that wealth transfer to the liberal academic establishment. What about the 6 news conglomerates talking about the evils of corporate Trumpism when they themselves are a mirror image? How about the green hypocrites and rich west coasters talking social justice and environmentalism only not in my backyard or don’t screw with my lifestyle. They make themselves appear green and righteous when in reality it is just a camouflage of more of the same of exploitation.

    The horrible and disgusting Anglosphere of hate, blame, and complain. Talk about failures. Blaming the Americans for their sins is the epitome of hypocrisy. You all grew rich and affluent on the same swill. Canadians are the worst for this. No one in the world has a higher standard of living and bitches the most.

    I am so glad for Trump because I detest lies. Yea, Trump is a lie but he also represents judgment for bad behavior. Bad behavior rewarding bad behavior. Wow what poetic justice for a dumbasses. You opened the door to real destructive change by ignoring it. You don’t think hollow talk when you were in power would make it better? Reality does not work that way. I thought you guys were so smart. I mean that is how you act. We are killing ourselves and you can’t blame others for this. The blame is all of us and none of us but not them. So go fuck yourselves and do it regularly because that is all you are doing and all you have left to do.

  5. joe on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 7:55 am 

    Nice try clogger but Soooooo very wide of the the mark, lols though, thanx. Xxxx

  6. Apneaman on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:21 am 

    Donald Trump VS entropy

    America’s Aging Dams Are in Need of Repair

    “Nearly 2,000 state-regulated high-hazard dams in the United States were listed as being in need of repair in 2015, according to the Association of State Dam Safety Officials. A dam is considered “high hazard” based on the potential for the loss of life as a result of failure.

    By 2020, 70 percent of the dams in the United States will be more than 50 years old, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers.

    “It’s not like an expiration date for your milk, but the components that make up that dam do have a lifespan.” said Mark Ogden, a project manager with the Association of State Dam Safety Officials.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/23/us/americas-aging-dams-are-in-need-of-repair.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=2

  7. onlooker on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:44 am 

    Yes, the absolutely universal. Only now some and accepting that and accepting their part, which is accepting we are human and flawed. The blame game and hypocrisy is is nothing but pathetically childish games

  8. onlooker on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:45 am 

    the blame is absolutely universal

  9. paulo1 on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:34 am 

    Geez Davy, when I read your rant I thought I was reading about some court case.

    Headline: Beautiful woman raped by gang of entitled rich kids.

    “Well, damin it you Liberal American hating libtards, she asked for it. If she goes out in public looking like that, what does she expect”?

    We are all victims of this electoral vote selection. It is just starting to play out. Don’t blame the victims, Davy.

  10. penury on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:51 am 

    It appears that the losers of the last election have that everything prior to Nov 16 has been forgiven and all will be the fault of ‘Trump”, After 34 days he has failed to correct the problems of the last 45 years, why Obama had done more that that in the first two days,Right? Out of the last 25 years how many have been led by your wonderful Ds? Clinton 8, Obama 8 and Bush 8,where were your protests, complaints and accusations then? It is entirely possible that this will be a disaster of major proportions just remember the warning was 45 years ago and most people still refuse to accept it.

  11. Davy on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:55 am 

    Paulo, please practice what you preach but if it makes you feel more groovy I agree.

  12. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:58 am 

    Nice try clogger but Soooooo very wide of the the mark, lols though, thanx. Xxxx

    I know joe, was just trolling you. You know very well who your real masters are.

  13. Sissyfuss on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 10:07 am 

    Joe, if Cloggedbuns couldn’t label us according to his superior mind he would cease to exist.

  14. ________ on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 10:31 am 

    The only way to fix the country is to only elect hardcore high iq scientists who invented something useful. Right now politics is a competition of retarded psychopaths.

  15. Apneaman on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 11:22 am 

    More temperature records as Hamilton basks in extended February heat wave

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/more-temperature-records-as-hamilton-basks-in-extended-february-heat-wave-1.3996892

  16. Apneaman on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 11:24 am 

    February Heat Wave Hits Philadelphia

    http://templeupdate.com/february-heat-wave-hits-philadelphia/

  17. Cloud9 on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 11:52 am 

    Me and mine threw a hand grenade and voted for Trump. We did not see him as a savior. We saw him as a wrecking ball. When Pelosi trotted out universal subjugation to health insurance companies and told us that we had to pass a law before we knew what was in it I choked. When Obama decided that a teenage boy could put on some lipstick and walk into the girl’s bathroom I puked. When one of the privileged walked intone of our local middle school classrooms and told all of the white children they should be ashamed of being white I was enraged.
    Government has reached peak complexity. As evidenced by all of the infighting within the deep state government is now eating itself. If the lights stay on one more day it is a blessing. Entropy has an exponential function. It may go ignored for a while longer, but one moment you have a little wiggle room and the next moment you are peak yeast.

  18. Davy on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 12:03 pm 

    Right, ______, science got us to where we are so you are saying elect more of the same even when this status quo is enforced insanity. Let’s dig deeper than that. We need a council of wise men with the power to say yes or no but they are not the ones to propose law or enforce the laws. These wise men would be required to withdraw from society to avoid corruption much like monks. Just sayin becuase in the end Nature rules anyway.

  19. Ghung on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 12:08 pm 

    Trump vs The Club of Rome? Limits to Growth wins hands down. We all lose.
    Such has it always been. Such as it always will be. Discussion is moot in light of our collective predicament. Make your peace….

  20. Ghung on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 12:25 pm 

    Davy said; “We need a council of wise men with the power to say yes or no but they are not the ones to propose law or enforce the laws. These wise men would be required to withdraw from society to avoid corruption much like monks.”

    Echos of Asimov, eh? Sort of like Hari Seldon’s Foundation? Didn’t work out in the end.

    Maybe we need their final solution: R. Daneel Olivaw.

  21. Jerome Purtzer on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 1:12 pm 

    I Don’t know if anyone in this chit chat room notices but the politicians and the news media that cover them are just a giant smokescreen for the Military, Industrial, Banking complex that control/own The U.S. and the rest of the world. They have the populace(read us) running around blaming each other and screaming about this and that and in the mean time they have run off with all of the chickens and eggs. Eisenhower turned out to be absolutely correct. The U.S. and the rest of the world does not need Trump to be a catalyst-it does not matter who the President is or was because people in general are unwilling to change and unable in general to even conceive the incredible s-storm that is about to happen.

  22. BobInget on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 2:50 pm 

    Trump’s Dumps

    The White House blocked several news outlets from attending a closed-door briefing Friday afternoon with press secretary Sean Spicer, a decision that drew strong rebukes from news organizations and may only heighten tensions between the press corps and the administration.

    The New York Times and CNN, both of which have reported critically on the administration and are frequent targets of President Donald Trump, were prohibited from attending. The Huffington Post was also denied entry.

    Both the Associated Press and Time magazine, which were allowed to enter, boycotted out of solidarity with those news organizations kept out.

    Spicer said prior to the start of the administration that the White House may skip televised daily briefings in favor of an off-camera briefing or gaggle with reporters. But Spicer has continued doing televised daily briefings except when traveling, making Friday’s decision an unusual one that led to frustration among journalists kept out.

    “Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties,” Times executive editor Dean Baquet said in a statement. “We strongly protest the exclusion of The New York Times and the other news organizations. Free media access to a transparent government is obviously of crucial national interest.”

    CNN suggested in a statement the Trump White House was retaliating against certain news outlets over their coverage.

    CNN was blocked from WH @PressSec‘s media gaggle today. This is our response: pic.twitter.com/8SfY2uYKEI

    — CNN Communications (@CNNPR) February 24, 2017
    Jeff Mason, a Reuters correspondent and president of the White House Correspondents Association, said the organization’s board “is protesting strongly against how today’s gaggle is being handled by the White House.”

    “We encourage the organizations that were allowed in to share the material with others in the press corps who were not,” Mason said. “The board will be discussing this further with White House staff.”

    The gaggle included members of Friday’s White House press pool, which is a rotating group of journalists covering the president’s movements for the larger press corps. It also included journalists from major networks like NBC, ABC, CBS and Fox News.

    The White House also invited journalists from conservative outlets such as Breitbart News, The Washington Times and One American News Network, sparking concerns that the administration was playing favorites with certain politically aligned outlets.

    “We had invited the pool so everyone was represented,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders told HuffPost. “We decided to add a couple of additional people beyond the pool. Nothing more than that.”

    Trump’s presidential campaign blacklisted nearly a dozen outlets through part of the 2016 election. However, Spicer said in December the Trump White House would not kick news organizations out of the briefing room over critical coverage.

    Hours earlier, the president continued his attacks on the “fake news” media, which he dubbed an “enemy of the American people.”

  23. DerHundistlos on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:12 pm 

    @ The Destroyer of Worlds aka Trump & Republicans

    Some would have us believe there’s no difference between the Dems and the Repubcons. I assume this statement applies to environmental issues as well since I do not recall qualifications.

    Meanwhile, Monarch butterfly numbers continue to nose-dive according to an analysis by my beloved alma mater, the University of Missouri- Columbia. The analysis concludes that the iconic Monarch has reached or is close to reaching functional extinction due to a perfect storm of large habitat loss in the US, deforestation in Mexico, and pollution.

    Thankfully, Trump and the Republican congress are responding to the mass extinction emergency. The Trump White House and congress are proposing legislation that will repeal the highly successful Endangered Species Act (don’t let success get in the way). Trump refuses to grant endangered status to any newly proposed species. Most recently, the critically endangered Rusty Patched bumblebee was told to go extinct by Trump.

  24. DerHundistlos on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:17 pm 

    Davy, how can you claim with a straight face, “I am so glad for Trump because I detest lies.”?

    Your logic does not compute. Error in programming.

  25. DerHundistlos on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 8:24 pm 

    Davy, who are the individuals that comprise the liberal elite, green hypocrites, rich west coasters talking social justice and environmentalism only not in my backyard or don’t screw with my lifestyle? Can you provide me with the names and their crimes?

    I remember you mentioning Soros. Soros is the opposite end of the spectrum of the Koch Bros. Wjo are all the others? i really would like to know.

  26. makati1 on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:34 pm 

    Ghung, I just finished reading the entire Foundation series for the third or forth time. So many similarities there that mirror the current world we live in. Even the techie religion. I wonder what it would be like to love 20,000 years without aging?

    Too bad all of the best SF authors are mostly gone now. The junk written today is for the mass market that doesn’t want to (cannot) think for themselves. So sad.

  27. makati1 on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 9:35 pm 

    ooops… live …. not love. But 20,000 years of love would be nice, I think.

  28. joe on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 10:24 pm 

    Speaking of limits to growth. The Hashimite Kingdom of Jordan (how many know what a Hasimite is) is likely to be the next stop on the road of middle east collapse. How many Jordanians can Umm Merkel take in?

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/02/jordan-worsening-economy-sparks-wave-protest-170221055031620.html

    When will this sorry tale of IMF life support end. Banksters need to hang.

  29. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 11:19 pm 

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/02/fred-reed/empires-nightmare/

  30. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Feb 2017 11:23 pm 

    “Banksters need to hang.”

    No longer the 1%, joe is getting more concrete by the hour.

    http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2012/04/lloyd-blankfein.jpg

  31. peakyeast on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 1:18 am 

    @Mak: “I wonder what it would be like to love 20,000 years without aging? “.

    Eventually I suspect it will be quite dull doing the same all the time. Even if broadening the view to include anything with a hole .hmmm – and everything else…

  32. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 1:34 am 

    “I wonder what it would be like to love 20,000 years without aging? “.

    One thing is sure, you are going to need a lot of Viagra for such an ambitious undertaking.

  33. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 1:57 am 

    Wow, CNN, New Amsterdam Times and other MSM gutters banned from WH presser:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-24/white-house-bans-cnn-nyt-participating-media-briefing

    What’s next: Twitter banning D.J. Trump?

  34. makati1 on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 3:39 am 

    peaky, I am sure you are correct. It was getting boring long before my marriage ended. Sex is something for the procreation years, not forever. That is one reason I moved to a different part of the world and culture. Something new, requiring a lot of learning and adjustment. Change is good and prolongs life.

  35. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 5:09 am 

    Sex is something for the procreation years, not forever.

    But the Sigmund Fraud bunch corrupted marriage by pushing the idea that sex should be for ever and pathologize the marriage if that is not the case.

    In reality the “pot and beans rule” applies in most cases: “if you put a bean in the pot every time you have sex during the first year of the relationship” and after that year remove a bean from the pot every time you have sex… the pot will never be emptied.

  36. Davy on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 6:20 am 

    “Davy, how can you claim with a straight face, “I am so glad for Trump” Der Hund and your buddy Bob, get a friggen grip and get your shit together. Get some bioptics and see what DC politics is and has become. Are you not sifting through the fake news about the media? They are not objective and they have taken sides. They are an arm of the Trump opposition. They are an arm preaching and enforcing a message not reporting in objectivity. In a country such as ours it is the mixing and debating of multiply messages that better policy is achieved. When one side says they are right and they dominate the development of the message bad things happen.

    Can you not see what you party politics has become? Can’t you see the corruption, lies, and manipulation that is beyond people and embodied in a soup of victimization talk? This is then exploited to achieve corrupt goals of privilege? Do you not acknowledge the wealth transfer of this privilege? Is the hypocrisy not evident? The “We believe” but the actions of “not in my backyard” and “it should not mess with my life style”.

    These people pushing this message are the wealthy and educated who are now the problem in our world. The belief that there is sustainable development through globalism is a failure and now a tool for pushing an agenda of increased affluence for a small group of elites. The free movement of a global people in overshoot is being promoted. The free movement of people in itself is not bad until the world is at limits and beyond systematic carrying capacity. Then it is slow suicide. When you allow behaviors no borders then bad behavior wins.

    The bad policy of the neocons that destroyed a final opportunity for the US to give the world leadership to a world into a new century was embraced in compromise by the democrats. Obama’s 8 years saw a continuation of the war and nation wrecking. It saw an enhancement of the security agencies of the deep state. Obama lied for them and gave them a ticket to snoop everywhere without meaningful restrictions.

    Environmental policy is a joke. The democrats do just enough to satisfy “blind gullible” green sheeple people so they have their daily hopium. In the meantime fossil fuel use continued to climb. Their one success of battering coal is a joke. Coal was dying anyway with high extraction costs and competition from gas and Alt’s. Environmentally they add some window dressing of regulation but did absolutely nothing to address what is really killing us and that is growth based policies of progress. They are environmental liars as most greens are. Real greens turn away from industrialization and cars not promote them. Alternatives become nothing more than extenders of the status quo of more growth and development which means more carbon.

    Socially, politically, and environmentally the democrats are a failure. The liberalism and progressive thinking of the people on both coast is disgusting. It is based upon privilege and elitism. It is saying I am smart and our life style righteous. Academia where the scientific process and social policy needs to be developed in an environment of balance and honesty is now an arm of an opposition party deep into political agenda and supported by a wealth transfer of debt. That debt is now 1TRILLION and growing in student debt. Much of that went into bloated bureaucracy and new buildings.

    The republicans and the neocons are deplorably and always have been. I am not going to regurgitate what is wrong with them because that is done obsessively daily on this board. Trumpism and conservatives are also a lie based and represent the flip side of the coin to what I described above. The progressives and liberals are people I described above that should be those who are the givers of societal wisdom that gives us the risk management tools to navigate a dangerous century instead they are part of it.

    Trump is a status quo gone mad that is a destroyer of the status quo. He is slicing through the lies for his own narrow agenda. He is a lie himself saying “make American great again”. Anyone hated by the deep state is someone of importance. Anyone who is challenging globalism is on to something. Trump is the best I can have to destroy corruption, lies, and hypocrisy then so be it. I am calling in airstrikes on my position saying this is the last option and that is destructive change because all alternatives have been exhausted. The final nail in the coffin was the death of honesty and enlightenment with the liberal progressive forces of our civilization. We are now dead as a global people I equate to a walking dead because we are in a process of decline, decay, depletion, and deflation at all levels of civilization. Not only has our modern ways destroyed the planet with no end in sight we now have lost any hope of sapience. Our wisdom to find a way to adapt and mitigate the collapse of our civilization is now done.

    Maybe the progressive and liberal arm will be resurrected from the tomb they are in of total failure. Yet, what I am seeing now is grotesque and disgusting. I am seeing a doubling down on the same behavior instead of reconciliation and a rebirth from failure. If I am so angry with these people it is because they were our last and only hope. There is zero hope with what conservatives and the republicans represent. Now paradoxically it is the republicans who are a lost cause that are less corrupt. They are just being themselves as they always have been. That means they will likely leap frog the opposition as is always eventually the case with a group that is built upon lies like modern democrats. That means the status quo is without challenge and will ensure an end game.

  37. Davy on Sat, 25th Feb 2017 6:23 am 

    “Sex is something for the procreation years, not forever.” If you are shallow and narcissistic and live in your ego then you will turn away from sex or use it like a drug. Sex is more than the physical so as one gets old there can be less physical sex but more union of two beings.

  38. DerHundistlos on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 1:02 am 

    @ Davy

    To understand my comment, you must look at the entirety of your quote, “I am so glad for Trump BECAUSE I DETEST LIES.”

  39. DerHundistlos on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 1:08 am 

    “….the republicans who are a lost cause that are less corrupt.”

    The Republicans are less corrupt? I suggest you watch the shocking Discovery Chanel/BBC documentary posted to YouTube titled, “Conspiracy of Silence” about the widespread sexual abuse of the boys at Boys’ Town by numerous national Republican politicians and wealthy financial donors (Note: my cousin was sexually abused by these perverts when he was 14/15 and was so disturbed that he committed suicide at age 17- he was bright, athletic, kind, and good looking kid with his whole life in front of him). You will hear former Republican Nebraska State Senator and Chairman of the state committee charged with investigating the affair, Loran Schmit, state that the pedophilia reached the highest levels of the Republican Party (to Mr. Schmit’s credit, he was so disgusted that he resigned from the state senate/Republican Party and returned to farming).

    The Republican’s attempted to whitewash the entire event by purchasing the documentary’s publication rights for a monumental sum, but fortunately a few copies were leaked before the evidence could be destroyed. Unfortunately, the Republicans have been mostly successful in erasing the truth, which is why I am doing everything possible to make people aware of the facts.

    Here is the YouTube address for the documentary, “Conspiracy of Silence” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DquLnRycZms

  40. Davy on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 7:39 am 

    This is my point der hund, you are defending your people and attacking the opposition. That is agenda and subjective. That is why you like going to makatiland. I like neither. I used to have hope in liberal values and still do. But today it is only theoretical because I see no real values anymore only relativity and victimization whine. It is now the case I have no hope in the carriers of your message. Your people are now corrupted by affluence and privilege. They are a victimization soup that hypocritically want to fight politically and morally incorrect with the same. You have become what you hate.

    If I like Trump it is because this experiment we call modern man is a failure and a lie. I have chosen to try to leave it as best I can. Trump is the destroyer of the status quo as is the whole nationalistic movement. I am acting marginal so I can escape the insanity of what you and yours stand for. The republicans have nothing to offer a future. They are pure status quo and represent all those forces that are allied with empire, skydaddy lore, science denial, and privilege. They have always had these positions and they are honest about it. Your menagerie of victims are liars now. They preach one thing and do another. The republicans offer me nothing.

    I am looking for a door to walk through to leave this denial modern man is living. Your people at one time offered something. Your core principals do not deny science and the basis understands the importance of social justice. That was lost over the last many years in a corruption of affluence and privilege. There was a chance with Obama 1 to go a different direction but instead your people chose compromise and corruption for privileges and affluence. Now I find the honesty of the republicans refreshing and your people disgusting and grotesque. I am about honesty first. The republicans may represent many things I am against but they are honest about what and why they stand for what they do. Your radical lefties are liars and fakes.

    So my message to you is get a grip on failure. Pull your head out of your ass. Reinvent yourself into a party of honesty and truth. Until you do that I will be happy to see both groups battle away and destroy this house of cards we call globalism. I want to see the Ponzi of lies fail so we all embrace the reality of a collapse in progress and we begin building hospices and lifeboats. I am calling in the B52’s to give us an “archlight strike of sanity” that will be an existential crisis that will force behavior change or it might kill us. This is a gamble but I cannot in my right mind support either part or any party currently. I cannot live a lie of dishonesty. The reality is I am just a crazy old man howling in the wilderness. No one will ever listen to my harsh remedy so howl I will.

    I am a doomer and prepper and find nothing about the status quo as logical in respect to a civilization self-destructing. With that said since I am using the status quo to leave it. So, what I do is sit back and watch the comedy show that is your people and the republicans as I build my doomstead. Trump is a hoot. I love watching how hot and bothered your people get over Trump. I have never enjoyed politics so much as today. It used to be so stupid and fake but now it is real comedy. The best comedy is also tragedy and that is what modern life is today. It is lovely in a sad way. Your whining about environmental issues is laughable. There are no greens that are modern. Real greens withdraw from modernism not embrace more of it. There is no social justice with promoting more of the same. So fuck the whole boat load of clowns. I chose to die in the harsh cold wind of the truth. I will be crazy to leave the crazy.

  41. Fred on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 2:24 pm 

    @mak, no worries, you’ll need to live 20,000 years in order to be able love 20,000 years so you’re covered 😉

    @davy, ehm “wise man”? I’d prefer to see a council of wise men and wise women. Unfortunately, these wise people are unknown to many as they would most likely not have focussed on their career (egos) or money. Having lots of money is required to run for office in the Unsustainable States of America.

    @derhundistlos, “Soros is at the opposite of the spectrum of the Koch brothers”. I wonder from which point of view you’re observing that, would you care to elaborate a bit more?

    Regardless of what one thinks of Trump (for what it’s worth I think the fact he’s in power shows clearly what mainstream America is all about and preferable over sweet lipped spinsters albeit still bad news at the end of the day), one objective of the Trump card has clearly been achieved: it’s burning lot’s of people’s energy and wasting massive amounts of time. I wonder what is really going on…

  42. DerHundistlos on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 4:28 pm 

    Davy, the difference between you and me is specificity. My “attacks” are supported by facts. I don’t make generalizations without citing evidence whether it be the Republican’s record on the environment or Republican sexual perversion that led to the death of a my family member. Whereas you attack libertards, greenies, Obama, West Coast, etc. So what are you complaining about?

  43. Davy on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 5:52 pm 

    Der hund, you are incapable of digesting what I said. You insist on making it you against me. I like neither of them for different reasons. It is just I like Trump now because he makes you guys squirm. I despise the press and he is calling them out. If they had a doom party then I might have allegiances. I also don’t want to hear your one sided sex stories on the Republicans. You are aware of some of the dirt on the democrats right? Hillary, Bill, and Podesta rumors. So what are you complaining about?

  44. JuanP on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 8:05 pm 

    I think that Trump’s election is a sign of the times. For decades now I have been hearing ignorant optimists tell me that sooner or later, as things continue deteriorating, people will see the light and they will change and start doing what is necessary to save the biosphere. My understanding of human nature leads me to believe the exact opposite; as things get worse society will get more unhinged. Everything I’ve witnessed in my life so far has proven me right. I wish I was wrong, but it becomes clearer every day that I am not. We are fucked and Trump’s presidency is irrefutable proof.

  45. JuanP on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 8:15 pm 

    Derhund, I guess in your world Clinton didn’t attack Serbia or expand Nato and Obama didn’t attack Lybia or Syria, drone thousands, or fuck with the Russians in Ukraine or the Chinese in the South CHINA sea. And Hillary is not a narcissistic, murdering, sociopathic bitch. If you think that the Democrats are better than the Republicans or the other way round you are nothing more than a brainwashed fool who was sold a pack of lies and swallowed them hook, line and sinker. You should try to grow up and face the truth before you die. Accepting the truth is an amazing experience. A life lived in denial is not worth living. Remember that your prefrontal cortex is part of what makes you human.

  46. GregT on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 9:27 pm 

    “I think that Trump’s election is a sign of the times……..as things get worse society will get more unhinged.”

    Completely agree Juan.

  47. antaris on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 11:01 pm 

    So Davy, T doesn’t make you squirm a little bit ?

  48. GregT on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 11:07 pm 

    “T doesn’t make you squirm a little bit ?”

    America >>> <<< Great!

    What's not to like?

  49. Apneaman on Sun, 26th Feb 2017 11:41 pm 

    LMFAO

    Trump Gives Pen to Dow Chemical CEO After Signing Executive Order to Eliminate Regulations

    “The new order also directs agency heads to appoint “regulatory reform officers” to ensure that agencies are carrying out the president’s other executive orders, such as his recent 2-for-1 rule that requires federal agencies to repeal two old regulations for every new one.”

    ” Liveris praised the Trump administration for being “the most pro-business administration since the Founding Fathers.”

    http://www.ecowatch.com/trump-executive-order-regulations-2282814216.html

    “2-for-1 rule” LMFAO x 2

    What’s next, half price Tuesdays?

    Crazy regulation Fridays!!! Buy 1 get 1 free!!! Low monthly payments!!!

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