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Dance Until the Music Stops

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This is the view from Kennedy airport 18,000 years ago: a two-mile high wall of ice (called the Laurentide Ice Sheet) extends across Canada and the northern part of the U.S. If you look south towards Jamaica Bay, there is only frozen tundra for as far as the eye can see. It is the exposed continental shelf. The seashore is 60 miles away because the oceans are 360 feet lower than they are today.

Forcings and Feedbacks

The Earth’s climate remains stable as long as the planet gives off as much energy as it absorbs. When this equilibrium is thrown out of balance, the Earth will either warm or cool until it comes back into equilibrium. Two factors are responsible for the balancing act: forcings and feedbacks.

A forcing is a trigger that throws the Earth’s energy balance out of equilibrium. Once that happens, various feedbacks (reactions to the forcing) kick in. Most of these reinforce the forcing. Feedbacks keep going until the Earth reaches energy equilibrium again.

Why did the Laurentide ice sheet melt? First, there was a forcing. In this case it was a slight change in the inclination of the Earth’s axis of rotation which caused a small increase in the amount of sunlight reaching the northern hemisphere. It wasn’t enough to melt the ice sheet, but it got the ball rolling.

Then there were three feedbacks. The first feedback was an increase in carbon dioxide (CO2). The oceans hold 50 times more CO2 than the atmosphere. Warm water can’t hold as much CO2 as colder water, so as the Earth got warmer, CO2 started coming out of the oceans and into the atmosphere. This made the Earth retain more heat, which made the oceans even warmer, which made them release more CO2 and so on in a self-reinforcing cycle.

The second feedback was an increase of water vapor in the air. As the air warms, it can hold more water vapor. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas. The more water vapor, the more greenhouse gas. The more greenhouse gas, the warmer the planet. The warmer the planet, the more water vapor and so in another self-reinforcing cycle.

The third feedback occurred when the glaciers began to melt. The ocean and the land are less reflective than ice. As the glaciers melted, less sunlight was reflected back into space. This made the Earth warmer, which melted more ice, which reduced the Earth’s reflectivity, which made it warmer and so on. Another self-reinforcing cycle. There are many other forcings and feedbacks that control the climate of the planet, which explains why climate science is so complicated.

Climate change is happening today because manmade CO2 and other greenhouse gases (gases that trap heat) are forcing the Earth’s energy equilibrium out of balance. The Earth must then adjust to this forcing by emitting more heat, and it can only do this by warming up. This process triggers feedbacks that accelerate this warming. The warming continues until energy equilibrium is reached. As long as we burn fossil fuels, energy equilibrium cannot be reached.

CO2 Emissions – 1751 to 2018

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Data obtained from CDIAC, the DOE’s CO2 Information Analysis Center. Gts = billions of tons.

This graph is divided into four periods as the legend indicates. The numbers represent the annual amount of CO2 emitted at the beginning and end of each period. As you can see, the emission rate accelerated considerably around 1960. Today, annual CO2 emissions are close to 40 billion tons.

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This graph shows the cumulative manmade CO2 emissions in each of the four periods shown in the previous graph. Cumulative emissions are important because CO2 stays in the air for thousands of years.

Nearly 80% of all man-made CO2 emissions have occurred since 1960, and half since 1990. These cumulative emissions have increased the CO2 concentration from 280 ppm to 411 ppm – a jump of 131 ppm. At the same time, the average global temperature has increased by 1°C (1 degree Celsius). For comparison, when the Earth emerged from the last glacial period 10,000 years ago, CO2 concentration increased by only 100 ppm and the global temperature increased by 5C. This was enough to melt the two-mile high glaciers, raise the level of the oceans by 360 feet, and vastly change the ecosystems of the world.

CO2 Emissions – 2020 to 2050

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Energy data obtained from the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). Emission calculations may be found at the end of this document.

Global energy consumption is forecast to increase by 43% between 2020 and 2050. As energy consumption increases, so do emissions. Some of this demand will be met by a growing renewable energy industry. The rest will still require burning fossil fuels. The upshot is that annual CO2 emissions will increase by 23% by 2050, reaching 46.6 billion tons.

Based on this forecast, over the next 30 years an additional 1,250 billion tons of carbon dioxide will be emitted. The following chart shows the cumulative totals for each period.

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The additional 1,250 billion tons of CO2 will raise the concentration of CO2 by 89 ppm from 411 ppm to 500 ppm – 1 ¾ times the pre-industrial concentration.

How will this affect global temperature? A precise forecast is impossible to make because so many factors are involved, but as the following two graphs show, the correlation between global temperature and CO2 concentration is very tight.

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This graph shows CO2 and temperature over the past 800,000 years. During this time the Earth went through repeated glacial periods separated by brief interglacial periods (like the one we are in today). The graph shows that CO2 and temperature went up and down hand-in-hand. When it was warm, they went up, and when it was cold, they went down. Note the spike in CO2 levels (the dotted line on the right side of the graph). You can see that CO2 is now much higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years and that it is on a near-vertical trajectory. This is because it takes nature thousands of years to change the level of CO2 by the amount that we are changing it in just decades.

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This graph shows the same correlation between CO2 and global temperature since 1880.  As I noted previously, the global temperature is now 1C higher than the preindustrial average and increasing at an ever-faster pace.

Climate scientists who study the sensitivity of the global temperature to changes in CO2 concentration have determined that a doubling of CO2 will raise the global temperature by 3C.  AT 500 ppm, CO2 concentration will be almost 80% of doubling the pre-industrial concentration.  Prorating, this would result in a global temperature increase of 2.4C.  This is well above both the 1.5C and 2C thresholds that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has declared will produce (1) very serious climate consequences and (2) catastrophic climate consequences.

Consequences

A 3°C rise in global temperature will irrevocably disrupt the stable climate that has sustained civilization for the past 5,000 years. An unstable climate will wreak havoc with global civilization. As sea levels rise, coastal cities will become flooded. Millions will flee to higher ground, leaving homes and businesses behind. The cost in terms of infrastructure and lost business will be trillions of dollars. Coastal ports will also be flooded. This will impede international commerce and could essentially shut down the global economy.

As weather patterns worsen, more frequent and severe floods and droughts will reduce agricultural production. According to a 2017 abstract from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, every 1°C increase in global temperature will, on average, reduce global yields of wheat by 6.0%, rice by 3.2%, maize by 7.4%, and soybeans by 3.1%. A 3°C temperature increase would reduce global production of these crops by between 10% and 20%, depending on the crop. The UN predicts that, by 2050, the world population will increase from 8 billion to 10 billion. This combination of reducing crop yields and increasing population will make global famine a certainty.

Heat, flooding, disease, famine, increasing poverty, and the loss of government services will force tens to hundreds of millions of people to migrate from equatorial areas in the Asia-Pacific area, Africa, the Middle East, and Central and South America to cooler climates. Most of the world population lives in the northern hemisphere, so the bulk of the migration will be northward towards Europe, the US, and central Asia. The countries in these areas will be overwhelmed by these migrations and will resist it. The resulting conflicts could escalate to wars around the world – a world which still harbors 3,750 active nuclear warheads and another 10,000 inactive warheads. Millions will die from starvation, disease, or violence. At first, the tropics will bear the brunt of these effects, but as global temperature relentlessly rises, temperate zones will face the same consequences.

As apocalyptic as this scenario is, if we fail to end our fossil fuel emissions it will soon become a reality. We are already seeing unprecedented wildfires, flooding, and storms that are exacting billions in damages. These events will continue to increase in frequency and severity. At some point humanity will be forced to accept the reality that it has permanently altered the climate and made it more hostile to life, but by then it will be too late to avoid the worst-case scenarios. Even if the world started in earnest today to phase out fossil fuels, we are so dependent on them that it would take decades to do it.

And even if we do manage to phase out fossil fuels, we still have to reckon with past emissions. The planet will continue to warm to achieve energy equilibrium, and unless we remove these emissions, the equilibrium temperature will be unacceptably high. The technology exists, but it would take trillions of dollars to get back to 350 ppm, the level that the world’s foremost scientist on climate change says is the maximum that we can tolerate while avoiding catastrophic warming. And it will take energy – lots of it. If we cannot produce that energy with clean fuel sources, then we will need to burn more fossil fuels to remove the emissions, which would be like bailing water from the front to the back of the boat.

The environmental and social chaos that climate change will bring has already started. Just to take two examples, wildfires in California have been unprecedented in size and frequency over the past several years, and, as this is being written, the Australian navy is helping people evacuate from the mainland in order to flee wildfires on a scale never before seen. There will be no single event or date which will signal a change from the normal, stable climate we are familiar with to the unstable and hostile one we are creating. It will continue to get worse at an ever-increasing pace until we find ourselves in the midst of it.

Climate scientists have consistently underestimated the speed at which the crisis is developing, in part because it is in the DNA of scientists to be cautious, and in part because alarming predictions are labeled “alarmist” by skeptics. And since we have never seen an apocalypse, except in the movies, society tends to accept this label. But the word “alarmist” means that the threat is being overstated. If the facts support the predictions, then, although they may be alarming, they are not alarmist.

If we continue with business as usual, by 2030, the handwriting that scientists have been reading for decades will be on the wall for all to see, and by 2050, the worldwide environmental, economic, and social impact of climate change will likely be measured in trillions of dollars and millions of lives lost.
But we should not get too focused on the precision-timing of these forecasts. It is the inexorable trend that matters. Will it be any consolation if these events take another decade or two to materialize? Not to those who must live with them.

Wildcards

There are two contingencies that all the forecasts have excluded. One is the release of methane and the other is the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Shelf. (The ice shelf is the part of a glacier that extends into the ocean.) If we continue burning fossil fuels, both are inevitable, and both will have profound effects. What is uncertain is when these events will occur. Given the rapid rate of melting that we are witnessing, they could occur within decades.

Permafrost and arctic continental shelves contain huge quantities of frozen methane. If they melt faster than expected (and so far, the permafrost is), they will release large amounts of methane which, during the first 20 years after its release, is 80 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. If this release is sudden and large (something which has happened in the geologic past in connection with mass extinctions), global warming will be dramatically accelerated.

The Antarctic Ice Shelf stabilizes the land-based glaciers in Antarctica and keeps them from flowing into the ocean. The West Antarctic Ice Shelf is being melted from beneath by warm water and is becoming unstable. If it should collapse, it will allow land-based glaciers to flow into the ocean, and if that happens, it will trigger an irreversible process that will accelerate the rise in sea level and ensure that it will continue for centuries.

Dance Until the Music Stops

In 2007, when asked by the Financial Times whether the investment risks his company was taking were too dangerous, Chuck Prince, CEO of Citibank, made the following statement:

“When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.”

He meant that, even if Citigroup’s executives were worried that private equity valuations had gotten too risky and loan terms too loose, it would make little sense for them to pull back and forego all those underwriting fees because they were not sure when the markets would crash. So, they kept dancing. The following year the bubble burst and the world financial markets nearly collapsed. Only government bailouts saved them. Millions of innocent victims lost their homes and their life’s savings. Today the fossil fuel industry is doing the dancing, but the stakes are incomparably higher. And this time, there will be no government bailout.


Appendix: Emissions Calculations Based on EIA Energy Forecast

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Note: CDIAC emissions and EIA calculated emissions overlap for the period 2010 to 2016. Average EIA emissions for this period are 5% higher than CDIAC emissions. Because CDIAC emissions are based on direct measurements and EIA emissions are calculated based on forecasted energy consumption, I reduced the EIA calculated emissions by 5% in order to provide a smooth transition. This gets us to the 1,250 billion tons shown in the graph. Since we are dealing with a forecast, this adjustment does not alter facts, and since the adjustment is minor, it does not affect the overall analysis.

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72 Comments on "Dance Until the Music Stops"

  1. SUM @ Mojahedin-e Khaliq on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 8:32 am 

    Friend Davy please I must encourage you strenuously to continue the good fight. Without your voice of moderation and sanity, this web site would be lost forever.

    Your Iranian friend,

    Sum

  2. Sissyfuss on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 8:33 am 

    Excellent article devoid of hopium. The view that alarming data is not alarmist if accurate relates to my view that our predicament is not depressing if it truly is our fate. It is just what it is, reality. And it is no wonder so many run from it even if that is impossible. We have it instilled in us from birth that humanity is a separate entity from Nature and not dependent upon its laws. The wake-up call from Gaia is ringing but we still refuse to answer it.

  3. Cloggie on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:24 am 

    Come on JuanP you have been discovered. We know all your most stupid socks. Go back to being Paultard. Everyone liked Paultard and nobody like what you have become and what you are doing to this forum

  4. JuanP on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:29 am 

    This is for Cloggie and MAK:

    USA USA USA TRUMP 2020

    Air Force Conducts Ground Test Of

    Hypersonic X-60A Missile
    President Trump revealed earlier this month that the US is currently developing hypersonic missiles and touted that the weapons were “big, powerful, lethal, and fast.” Trump’s mention of hypersonic missiles occurred during his national address last Wednesday as he spoke about escalating tensions with Iran. Key points from Trump’s address to the nation:
    *Backs down from taking military action against Iran
    *Production of hypersonic missiles underway
    *More sanctions on Iran
    *US “no longer needs Middle Eastern oil”
    *Reminds Americans that al-Baghdadi is dead https://t.co/gKGZKaLlpg
    — GlobalObserver (@GlobalObserver4) January 8, 2020
    “Our missiles are big, powerful, accurate, lethal, and fast, “Trump said.
    “Under construction are many hypersonic missiles. The fact that we have this great military and equipment, however, does not mean we have to use it. We do not want to use it. American strength, both military and economic, is the best deterrent,” he added. The hypersonic missile under development that President Trump was likely referencing is the US Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL) X-60A, an air-launched, single-stage rocket designed to reach speeds of Mach 5 to March 8, reported Flight Global. AFRL moved a step closer to initial flight tests after it recently conducted test firings of its engines while on the ground at Cecil Spaceport in Jacksonville, Florida. “This test series was a critical step in reducing risk and gathering necessary system integration data in preparation for our upcoming flight tests,” said Barry Hellman, AFRL X-60A program manager. The X-60A has been designed to be air-launched from the undercarriage of a NASA C-20A, a military version of the Gulfstream III. The initial flight test could take place in the second half of this year: “When we go to flight later this year, we hope to demonstrate the capability of the X-60A to provide affordable access to hypersonic flight conditions, which will position AFRL to deliver an innovative test capability for the Air Force and other [US Department of Defense] organizations,” Hellman said. The hypersonic race is well underway. It has been said the US is falling behind the curve in hypersonic development as Russia and China race ahead with test flights and deployments. The next global conflict will be fought with fifth-generation stealth fighters and hypersonic missiles.

  5. Anonymouse on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:32 am 

    Cloggenhiem try this some time. I think you would enjoy it I know I do.

    ‘Leave The Hijab On’: Germans Now ‘Obsessed’ With Refugee Porn

    After the mass migration into Germany of roughly a million refugees over the last several years, Germans have become ‘obsessed’ with refugee porn, according to The Sun, citing data from adult content platform “xhamster,” which reports roughly 800,000 monthly searches for the fetish.

    In fact, entire film companies are now specializing in refugee smut and so-called ‘hijab porn’ – in which Middle Eastern porn stars in subjugated roles wear their religious headgear while being sexually dominated by white males.

  6. Cloggie on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:44 am 

    Oh dear, mousy as the advocate of the people of color. Rest assured that the vast majority of the porn is produced in the US and nobody promoted this poison more than a certain minority, sold as “freedom of speech”.

    Original article:

    https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2018-05/sexisms-refugeeporn-refugees-pornography-germany-analysis/komplettansicht

    https://reason.com/2019/10/04/pornography-is-protected-by-the-first-amendment/

  7. Cloggie on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:53 am 

    But tell us mousy, when did you begin to notice that porn ruined your life? Watching too many “black-on-blond” only of course, losing appetite for the Big Mamas you can get.

  8. Cloggie on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 10:12 am 

    Come on Davy you have been discovered. We know all your most stupid socks. Go back to being Paultard. Everyone liked Paultard and nobody like what you have become and what you are doing to this forum

  9. Davy@REAL Fraud on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 10:15 am 

    The sad reality of what is happening is I have weaponized the bad behavior of taking people identities and using multiple fake handles. This then gets used against me and the result is a forum any normal person with a rational and intelligent mind will avoid. I don’t care because for me this is about a turf war and I have nothing better to do with my meaningless widdle life.

  10. shortonoil on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 10:45 am 

    More bad science on half a dozen points. It looks like we have climate change. The biggest snow job in history.

  11. Cloggie on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 11:22 am 

    JuanP you are projecting with your Davy@REAL Fraud:

    “The sad reality of what is happening is I have weaponized the bad behavior of taking people identities and using multiple fake handles.”
    JuanP, you started this 3 years ago because your widdle feeling were hurt. You expected Davy to follow your order that were in effect double standards. It was ok for you and your group of anti-Americans but Davy couldn’t do it. What kind of dumbass operates that way..LOL. you JuanP.

    “ This then gets used against me and the result is a forum any normal person with a rational and intelligent mind will avoid.”
    Exactly JuanP, you could give a shit about this. You are a self described psychopathic personality that hates people. This is documented JuanP and you readily admit to it. Youa re a disgusting pathetic person.

    “ I don’t care because for me this is about a turf war and I have nothing better to do with my meaningless widdle life.”
    Exactly stupid, you have made this a turf war and the reason is you can’t win a debate. Davy kicks your ass anytime you try so the only way to fight this is try to censor him with ID theft and hostile socks. Go FUCK YOURSELF JuanP!

  12. Shortend on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 12:08 pm 

    But the climate always changes and we can’t do anything about it…. hahahahah

  13. Antius on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 12:36 pm 

    Energy policy – another expression of the cultural division between Western and Eastern Europe.

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Austria-fails-to-turn-neighbours-against-nuclear-p

    Western Europe has never had to live under communism and the grinding poverty that it brought. Hence, the foolish obsession of their political classes with esoteric issues, like multiculturalism, green energy, gay marriage, trans-LGBT nonsense.

    Eastern Europe remains clear headed and deeply practical for the most part, aware of how precarious wealth and civilisation can be. Hence they have no appetite for Brussels’ beloved low-power density intermittent energy sources; which are favoured for emotional and ideological reasons rather than practical ones. And they have no problem treating Islamic immigrants as the dangerous invaders that they are. Brussels has threatened to sanction them for this.

    How long will eastern Europe put up with Brussels and all its bullshit? Time will tell. If the next recession wipes out Western European prosperity, the balance of power will likely shift to the east. And a fine thing it will be.

  14. cloggo ID theft on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 2:00 pm 

    cloggo on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 9:32 am

    Not Anonymouse obv.

  15. Chrome Mags on Sat, 18th Jan 2020 7:29 pm 

    “Forcings and Feedbacks The Earth’s climate remains stable as long as the planet gives off as much energy as it absorbs. When this equilibrium is thrown out of balance, the Earth will either warm or cool until it comes back into equilibrium.”

    Even people in denial should be able to understand that, one would hope.

  16. Theedrich on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 3:00 am 

    Adolf was ahead of his time.  He foresaw it all.  Alas, the absurd Anglosphere saw its own dominance and its “values” (another name for British-American rapacity) threatened and blocked him.

    But he was the agent of Gaia, the planetary inframind, which was attempting to forestall the planeticidal devastation we are now seeing.  Currently the sun is in quiet mode, not irradiating us with as much heat as usual.  But as it resumes its active, sunspot mode and starts blasting the earth with greater heat, it will greatly accelerate global calefaction.

    Meanwhile, the Yid-Christian types, the compassion industry, and the globalists — let alone the deranged Democrats — will scream and wail about the billions “of color” who are not yet being allowed to swamp Whiteland.  These genosuicidists will push for any measure that intensifies resource exhaustion and world pollution by darkies;  others (e.g., Republicans) will do their best to further predatory capitalism and accomplish the same end by different means.

    But even as this Imperial lunge for global power is proceeding, Russia has developed its hypersonic Кинжал and С–400 Триумф missiles and other defensive weapons to protect itself from the “indispensable” nation, whose piracy has already hollowed out the Ukraine through the CIA, the agency of Victoria “F the EU” Nuland, and various Sörös-led elements allied with both U.S. parties.

    In concert with all this, the American masses are degenerating, as can be seen in their preference for “grunge” entertainment, dress, and tatoos (never mind rings through the noses and elsewhere, etc.), plus lethal narcotics of all kinds.  Their grammar has deteriorated (e.g., “Me and him have went to the store.”) along with their educational level, as they descend to Negroid depths of intelligence.  And, of course, all of this is encouraged by Yid-led Hollywood and media, as well as by the political class.

    There is no doubt as to where this trajectory leads.

  17. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 4:33 am 

    Death-of-the-West latest:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902843/Ministers-secretly-restart-No-Deal-plans-amid-fears-trade-talks-Brussels-collapse.html

    “Ministers secretly restart No Deal plans amid fears trade talks with Brussels will collapse”

    Tragic situation developing.

    The EU has no interest in helping bring about a prosperous Britain before its door step, providing ammo to continental Euro-skeptics to leave as well; instead the EU will do anything it can to let the UK “bleed, bleed, bleed”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX1tYJBHNw8
    [1:24]
    (note, this is a leftist saying that)

    The UK in its turn cannot afford a Brexit-in-name-only and continue to follow EU rules, without shaping these rules. Expect no deal and falling back to WTO-rules-based trade.

    Once the M20 will have become a open air warehouse of UK lorries, filled with British produce, heading for the Channel, but in reality stuck and followed by a massive wave of layoffs, expect English anti-EU-hostility to become rampant and Europe will be thrown back to 1938, albeit with very different distributed geopolitical cards.

    Scenario for Scotland: faced with a dire economic situation, Scotland could opt for a no-deal Scexit (from Westminster that is), unilaterally declare independence. London will consider that illegal and send troops and occupy key Scottish locations. Expect a Scottish version of the IRA to be born.

  18. The Dude on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 8:11 am 

    Theedrich & Cloggie:

    Dude, it’s so convenient and comfortable now that I can wear my PJs and bathrobe 24/7 inside and outside the home.

    After doing some wake-ups (bong hits) the last thing I want to do is comb my hair and put on formal clothes. Pajamas are so much comfy!!!!!

    That’s called progress and reality, friend!!!!!!

  19. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 10:26 am 

    Meghan Markle-2024 latest:

    Royals no more:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904327/Royal-pundits-react-Queens-statement-Harry-Meghans-future-outside-Firm.html

    “‘Hardest possible Megxit’: Royal pundits react to Queen’s statement on Harry and Meghan’s future outside the Firm”

    Hanging out with the right people (left people rather):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7903403/Meghan-poses-pictures-Jessica-Mulroney-Canadian-Prime-Ministers-wife-Sophie-Trudeau.html

    “Meghan’s big night out with the girls: Duchess of Sussex poses for pictures with Jessica Mulroney and Canadian Prime Minister’s wife Sophie Trudeau at Soho House – four years before she returns to be closer to influential pals”

    I am counting the days, if not hours until I finally find an MSM, or even a “wacko conspiratorial internet blog like ZeroIQ”, that links Meghan to the presidency-2024 for the Dems.

    “You gotta row with the paddles you have”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904475/Prince-Andrew-makes-public-support-Queen.html

    “The Queen makes a VERY public show of support for a grinning Prince Andrew as he’s seen by her side at church for the first time since his car crash BBC interview – and less than 24 hours after Megxit deal was finalised”

    This UK “conservative” got it right, unfortunately:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904281/Politicians-Tory-James-Cleverley-Labour-Nadia-Whitmore-Meghan-racism-Andrew-Marr-Show.html

    “Tory party chairman James Cleverly is latest figure to rubbish Megixt racism claims saying Britain is one of the most ‘welcoming countries in the world'”

    Tory party is still like the US-Reps were, until Donnie came along. Globalist, pro-business and nothing else.

    Money won’t be the problem:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7904187/Netflix-chief-says-streaming-giant-work-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle.html

    “‘Who WOULDN’T be interested? Yes, sure’: Netflix chief says streaming giant would work with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle after royal split (so maybe she WILL appear in The Crown)”

  20. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 10:54 am 

    “wacko conspiratorial internet blog like ZeroIQ””

    LOL, the cloggo doesn’t like the truth so he cuts down Zero Hedge just like several other extremist here.

  21. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 11:07 am 

    “LOL, the cloggo doesn’t like the truth so he cuts down Zero Hedge just like several other extremist here.”

    Empire dave has yet to figure out the difference between:

    1. “wacko conspiratorial internet blog like ZeroIQ”
    2. wacko conspiratorial internet blog like ZeroIQ

    Irony is not his cup of tea.

  22. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 11:32 am 

    “German FM blasts US policy on Iran, says Europe wants to prevent ‘firestorm’ in Middle East without regime change”

    https://www.rt.com/news/478646-heiko-maas-iran-policy/

  23. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:19 pm 

    TU Delft finalizing scale model of a V-shaped wing plane, that promises 20% fuel reduction:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/01/19/scale-model-klm-flying-v/

    Expected to be air-born later this year.

  24. REAL Green on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:26 pm 

    We gots a cast irony fryin pan if that’s what you meen cloggo?

  25. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:37 pm 

    Dutch ASML global chip-machine monopolist used by Trump in trade-war US-China:

    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/01/11/trump-gebruikt-asmls-techniek-als-wisselgeld-in-china-a3986497

    In an obvious attempt to deprive China of Dutch microchip technology [*], US prez Trump has demanded that ASML stopt providing the Chinese with lithographic technology.

    https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0NqkIg32/chinese-ambassador-warns-dutch-government-against-restricting-asml-supplies
    “Chinese ambassador warns Dutch government against restricting ASML supplies”

    ASML is not concerned like Trump, the Dutch think that everybody is too stupid anyway to be able to copy this technology.

    [*] – the whole world has heard of Intel, Apple, Samsung, Huawei and what not, yet all these big names are entirely dependent on machines from ASML from my native Eindhoven. ASML is quasi-monopolist of this technology, world-wide. If for instance the Dutch government or EU commission would decide to deprive large countries of this technology, the US and China come to mind, it would mean that said countries simply would no longer be able to produce microprocessors and “step back a little” on the ladder of evolution.

    In itself it would not be the end of the world, after all both the US and China have a rich cultural foundation, who the f* needs Yuropeans:

    USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6B4UK4tNSc
    (“You go left, I go right, we’ll cut them of at the pass”)

    China:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG23ZIvgXkM
    (“Sum Ting Wong? Hu Yu Hai Ding? Yu Dum Gai! “)

  26. JuanP ID theft with REAL Green on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:48 pm 

    Obviously this is from stupid:

    “REAL Green said We gots a cast irony fryin pan if that’s what you…”

  27. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:50 pm 

    the cloggo is running out of material so he post old material to feel like he is keeping up with his message of a kick ass Europe.:

    old news:
    “TU Delft finalizing scale model of a V-shaped wing plane, that promises 20% fuel reduction:”

  28. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:57 pm 

    “IMF Chief Warns Global Economy Faces New “Great Depression”
    https://tinyurl.com/v7slwad zero hedge

  29. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 12:57 pm 

    “Not Just Hunter: Widespread Biden Family Profiteering Exposed”
    https://tinyurl.com/u8ob6eh zero hedge

    “Clinton Cash author Peter Schweizer is out with a new book, “Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America’s Progressive Elite,” in which he reveals that five members of the Biden family, including Hunter, got rich using former Vice President Joe Biden’s “largesse, favorable access and powerful position.”

  30. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 1:14 pm 

    “ the cloggo is running out of material so he post old material to feel like he is keeping up with his message of a kick ass Europe.”

    Come on empire dave, Europe IS kick-ass. Stop being so jealous.

    New is the scale model, built by students.

  31. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 2:29 pm 

    “US Military Jams GPS Across East Coast As FBI Seizes Night-Vision Devices”
    https://tinyurl.com/vkhoxsm zero hedge

    “In case you didn’t fully realize that something big is about to take place in America, file these two facts:”

    “#1: The U.S. military, Carrier Strike Group Four (CSG4), is jamming GPS signals from Jan 16th – 24th”

    “…which may overlap the planned deep state false flag event in Richmond, Virginia. Richmond is just at the margins of the range of the GPS jamming exercise map released by the military (see below). The epicenter of the so-called “exercise” is off the coast of Georgia. The official FAA announcement claims no jamming will take place on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday next week, but we don’t trust the FAA, so your mileage may vary. Remember, too, that 90% of the American population has never read a paper map and can’t use a compass.”

    “#2: FBI invokes “eminent domain” to seize high-end night vision tubes”

    “The FBI is now claiming “eminent domain” to essentially seize high-end night vision tubes (that power night vision goggles) from distributors in the United States. This indicates the FBI has an emergency effort under way to acquire large numbers of night vision devices in anticipation of some urgent event which will take place at night (possibly another FBI false flag operation like Oklahoma City or the 1993 attempted World Trade Center bombing which was entirely masterminded by the FBI).”

    “Here’s the relevant question: What is the FBI planning that would require hundreds of night vision devices?”

    “Answer: Probably another bombing, mass shooting, mass casualty event or some other terrorism flashpoint that the FBI is famous for causing. Just ask the church members of Waco, Texas… or not, since they’re all dead, thanks to the FBI and ATF.”

  32. supremacist muzzies jerk to show our appreciation [to (((supremetard)))] for so much power we keep heaven packed with fresh muzzies meat god was here before the marine corp so you can give your heart to jesus but your ass belongs to the corp on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 3:32 pm 

    above is supertard obv.

  33. Richard Guenette on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 3:37 pm 

    The whole world is sick of the US government (a bunch of career criminals).

  34. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 3:49 pm 

    “KEY ARCHITECT OF 2003 IRAQ WAR IS NOW A KEY ARCHITECT OF TRUMP IRAN POLICY”

    https://theintercept.com/2020/01/16/david-wurmser-iran-suleimani-iraq-war/

    Neocon David Wurmser

  35. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 4:20 pm 

    Did you know that Wurmer is Jewish cloggo?

  36. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 5:22 pm 

    Sorry JuanP, the above is you not Davy.

  37. Peak Yeast on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 5:29 pm 

    MY God, who is the idiot who posted all this?

    supremacist muzzies jerk to show our appreciation [to (((supremetard)))] for so much power we keep heaven packed with fresh muzzies meat god was here before the marine corp so you can give your heart to jesus but your ass belongs to the corp said above is supertard obv.
    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk to show our appreciation [ to (((supremetard))) ] for so much power we keep heaven packed with fresh muzzies god was here before the marine corp so you can give your heart to jesus but your ass belongs to the c said muzzie ilhan omar is investigated by FBI watch thi…
    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk to show our appreciation [ to (((supremetard))) ]for so much power we keep heaven packed with fresh souls god was here before the marine corp so you can give your heart to esus but your ass belongs to the corp said this place is full of muzzies and muzzies lover. i…
    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk hello aftar there this is kirpal i was just calling because your daughter came to my house and she kicked my dog pardon which dotterg said life was simpler and nicer without muzzies. the in…

  38. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:03 pm 

    “The whole world is sick of the US government”

    Not exactly the whole world Ricky. Less then half of the US thinks it’s ok.

  39. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:20 pm 

    Sorry JuanP, the above comment is yours not Davy

  40. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:22 pm 

    me too, sign me up for lemon party

  41. makati1 on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:24 pm 

    Lemon parties sound gay to me so sign me up too

  42. REAL Green on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:26 pm 

    What’s lemon party meen Davy?

  43. JuanP on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:29 pm 

    Eric Peters: Peter Navarro Was Right – Tariffs Have Spurred Growth, Not Hampered It
    “Conventional economic models ignore how Trump’s tariffs boost investment and national security,” wrote Peter Navarro, the President’s Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. His Jan 13th WSJ opinion piece, like most things Navarro publishes, provide real insight into Trump policy/thinking. But Navarro is an annoying hothead, so most people dismiss him. I’ve condensed his piece: “Critics of Trump’s transformational trade policies continue to insist that the tariffs are hindering rather than helping the boom. Yet with each new tariff the economy remains robust, wages continue to rise, and inflation stays muted (while the economic losses for China continue to grow). Tariffs have spurred growth, not hampered it. Why have the gloom-and-doom forecasters been so wrong? The errors come from flaws in traditional economic models. Anti-tariff analysts typically rely on static “partial equilibrium” models. While a tariff on steel might boost employment in that industry, for example, the price of steel would rise for car makers downstream, which would then suffer lower production and fewer jobs. Each tariff shrinks total employment, depresses wages, and increases inflation—or at least that’s how these forecasts typically go. Yet what is missing from these forecasts is a ‘general equilibrium’ analysis of tariffs, which would assess the whole economy, with a concomitant ‘dynamic scoring’ of their effects, to account for the new investment tariffs induce. Over time this tariff-induced investment, along with lower taxes and sensible deregulation, will boost growth and job creation. Higher domestic production will also help offset any price hikes from the tariffs. Trump’s imposition of actual tariffs has made the threat of tariffs more credible, and a variety of tariff threats have borne robust results. In addition to missing the upside of supporting American industries, critics overlook the ways the US has suffered under open trade. Expanded trade with China in the 2000s contributed to the loss of tens of thousands of American factories and millions of manufacturing jobs and the hollowing out of many communities. What followed was an associated rise in the rates of divorce, drug addiction, crime, depression and death, particularly among blue-collar men no longer able to support their families at a decent wage. The national-security externalities associated with Trump trade policy may be even more consequential. A case in point is the tariffs being used as leverage to defend America’s technological crown jewels from being forcibly transferred to Chinese companies—from artificial intelligence, robotics and autonomous vehicles to quantum computing and blockchain. These industries comprise the core of the next generation of weapons systems needed to repel threats from rivals like China, Russia and Iran. One must ask the anti-tariff forecasters: Where are the benefits of a freer and more secure American homeland counted in your models? An honest, modern analysis of the Trump tariffs would acknowledge the widespread market distortions that currently disadvantage American workers, parse the complex ways tariffs affect trade partners’ behavior, appropriately discount short-term price impacts, and dynamically score the many long-term positive effects.

  44. Davy on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:31 pm 

    Lemon party’s another name for the Republican Party REAL Green.

  45. Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:33 pm 

    Come on JuanP, the above is you not Davy. It is pretty obvious.

  46. makati1 on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 7:49 pm 

    Many more signs of the decline of the West. Davy and Cloggie make a good pair. Both delusional and brainwashed. At least the two brain cells that still function, that is.

    I enjoy watching the West go down. Far better than any Hollywood movie or TV series. Keep the war in the ME and the mass migration of millions in the EU and Amerika.

    I hope all of the sane readers here are prepared for this decade. It is going to be a doozy! Buckle up and stock up on your favorite beverages. They may not be available soon.

  47. REAL Green on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 8:49 pm 

    Come on Davy, the above is us not Cloggie. It is absolutely obvious. We need to see the docter. REAL Bad like.

  48. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk hello aftar there this is kirpal i was just calling because your daughter came to my house and she kicked my dog pardon which dotterg on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 8:57 pm 

    Lemon party, when, where?
    I’m in.

  49. OBVIOUS DAVYSKUM ID THEFT on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 9:02 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:29 pm

    Cloggie on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 6:33 pm

  50. makati1 on Sun, 19th Jan 2020 9:41 pm 

    Very horny. Need to attend lemon party soon.

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