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Urban Underground Farming

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According to the U.N., the world population is more than seven billion and is expected to reach more than nine billion by 2050. With a vast majority of the population migrating to urban areas, cities are forced to expand. This puts a strain on rural land space and food production; urban underground farming is being seen as the solution.

Steven Dring, a co-founder of Growing Underground believes poor topsoil management and the percentage of freshwater used in industrial agriculture are compounding matters.

Dring feels that unless farmers start replenishing the soil’s nutrients, the lifespan of the world’s topsoil is only 80 to 120 years. Urban underground farming — a solution to the aforementioned problems — utilizes existing underground structures and hydroponics to yield large crops using minimal water.

Hydroponics and Urban Underground Farming

Hydroponic technology uses porous material in place of soil as well as low-energy LEDs instead of natural light. Plants can even sit in nutrient-rich waterbeds where the water is captured and recycled.

LEDs mimic photosynthesis, a process by which plants convert light of certain wavelengths into chemical energy that is stored for future use. The LED light’s low heat creates an ideal temperature for growth in the absence of sunlight.

Additionally, growing beds are stacked vertically to maximize the space of underground farms.

Underground Farming Around the World

Worldwide, growers are cultivating food beneath the soil. Underground farms already exist in England, France and Bolivia. Sweden and Wales have undergound farms that are in development.

England

A World War II air-raid shelter 100 feet below the streets of London was transformed into an urban underground farm by Growing Underground’s Steven Dring and his business partner Richard Ballard.

The farm provides two and a half acres of space for plant growth. Its depth regulates ambient temperature and its filters free the air of pests while hydroponics ensure the growth of crops.

This business model is more cost-effective than the U.K.’s traditional greenhouse farming. The only consistent expense is for the LEDs. Greenhouse farmers use two heat sources: natural light and LEDs due to short summers. They also use importation to keep a steady supply.

Dring believes his company is not replacing traditional farming and instead it’s just complementing it.

France

In Paris, the startup, Cycloponics, uses a once abandoned parking garage measuring 37,700-square-feet to grow crops. It is located beneath an affordable housing complex.

They use hydroponic farming to harvest microgreens and bricks of composted manure to grow mushrooms.

Cycloponics produces four and a half pounds of greens each month and even harvests chicory, which requires no natural light. The team produces 660 pounds of the crop each month via urban underground farming.

Sweden

Plantagon CityFarm is building an underground farm in an old newspaper archive underneath an office tower in Stockholm.

The company will not only grow food in vertical towers under LEDs but also heat the building. Instead of capturing the light’s heat and venting it out of the room, it will be sent into a heat storage system to heat offices.

It also plans to sell its food locally, which will eliminate shipping costs and pesticide use as well as reduce fossil fuel emissions.

The company’s innovative approach to urban underground farming is attracting Singapore and Malaysia; both of the countries have a shortage of farmable land.

Wales

Abandoned coal mines across Wales are being scouted as new sites for underground farms in the U.K. The country’s coal industry went down in the 1980s, leaving mine shafts and tunnels unoccupied. These coal mines are now being revived via urban underground farming.

The project is seen as a cost-effective way of supplying largescale crops for the growing global population. Advocates say these farms can yield up to ten times more food than regular farms.

Coal mine farms can grow plants in nutrient-rich water or suspend them in midair and mist them with water and nutrients. LEDs or fiber-optic technology can tunnel sunlight deep into the ground — both inexpensive methods — while the carbon-capture technology can take advantage of natural carbon dioxide.

If coal mines are to become underground farms, there will be technical, legal and financial hurdles to overcome before beginning construction. This project can generate income and minimize remediation costs. In fact, many hill farmers in Wales are living paycheck to paycheck, so the income from underground farming can benefit them greatly.

Bolivia

The idea of urban underground farming can be applied to an arid environment like Bolivia’s Andean Plateau. This area contends with frequent drought, frost, high winds and increasing temperatures.

Bolivian underground farms are known as Walipinis. Only their roofs are visible for they blend into the plateau’s arid landscape. Internally, bricks absorb the sun’s heat and act as conductors to create warm and humid conditions all through the year. These farms protect crops from nature’s elements and ensure food security for farmers’ families.

Walipinis help farmer and llama breeder, Gabriel Condo Apaza, improve his family’s diet and save money as they no longer have to purchase food from markets. Businessman, Michael Gemio, refurbished abandoned Walipinis and turned them into an eco-farm. He hires local families to develop the Walipini technology.

Walipinis require only a small amount of water to operate. Despite droughts and high temperatures, the existing small streams are able to supply the required amount of water.

Conclusion

Due to rapid urbanization, global cities face problems such as unemployment, an inability to meet growing food demands, poor health and pollution. Urban underground farming is the solution to these problems. As long as cities implement appropriate policies, underground farms can operate at an optimal level.

– Julianne Russo

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34 Comments on "Urban Underground Farming"

  1. makati1 on Sun, 30th Dec 2018 6:29 pm 

    Dreamers! Where is all of the energy to come from?

  2. Antius on Sun, 30th Dec 2018 7:10 pm 

    LEDs can be very efficient, especially in the red parts of the spectrum, which tend to be most photosynthetically available to the plant.

    If food crops are so valuable that we can afford to grow them with artificial light, why do so many of them get fed to livestock? Or converted into biofuels? If we were to stop doing such stupid things, there would be ample land in even the most densely populated countries to feed everyone. Using intensive horticulture, it is possible to grow a sparse but sufficient vegetarian diet for one person on 100 square metres of land. By that standard, even the most densely populated European country (Netherlands) could feed it’s entire population using 1700 square km of land. That is about 5% of land area.

    We don’t need artificially lit food factories. We need to get real about what we really need.

  3. makati1 on Sun, 30th Dec 2018 10:28 pm 

    Antius, you put your finger on the reason we claim to be out of food space. Waste and misuse of what we have.

  4. anon on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 2:26 am 

    those absurdly small estimates of space needed to sustain a human, like the 100 m2 mentioned above, never take into account the inputs required from _somewhere else_ to pump up the productivity of that little patch of land. Try doing that on a random average-fertility average-rainfall average-soil patch of 100m2 somewhere _without inputs from elsewhere_ and see how much you grow there… and then watch the yields decline dramatically after the first year or two.
    You cannot ignore the mixing and recycling of nutrients needed for a healthy ecosystem.
    Even if you camp out next to your 100m2 patch and mix all your own waste back into the soil there, you still arent going to keep it all on site and available. Some will migrate into deeper soil, some will run off in a heavy rain, some will fly away with birds or insects (you werent going to kill them all off were you?) and so on and so forth. If you want to keep that all in circulation, well, youll need some trees nearby (and some more space because now some of your 100m2 is in shade) , youll need some other plants to complement the trees, and so on and so forth. you’ll need… a healthy ecosystem! no escaping it! once you understand that, you might _maybe_ in some region with generally a very good climate, soils not destroyed by industrial farming, enough water, etc, maybe you might be able to sustain a person on a
    patch 100m square – that is, 10 thousand m2!

    there is no feel-good magic that will allow us to ignore the fact that 90%, maybe 99% , of the current population is only alive and eating because of industrial production, the very same industrial production that is killing the earth. it was never going to last and it’s the worst trap humans have ever stepped in. now no matter how it stops, the fact that it will stop is absolutely assured, and it will result in an enormous crash in population. nature doesnt care _how_ that happens either. so far it looks like the industrial culture is busy killing ourselves off by other means , though its entirely possible some of the ruling elite in the industrial culture understand that they can prolong their own power by drastically reducing the population at large, and think they can succeed with indirect means. not entirely sure theyre actively working on it or that it’s just a side effect of BAU.
    anyway. for anyone who believes this fell-good magic thinking , go get yourself a patch of land and start gardening it. try all the best things- all the permaculture stuff, all the companion planting, all the no-till soil conservation, all the waste/nutrient recycling you can manage, and see how much land you need to feed yourself.
    and in any case youd better get started now because , a, youll need a lot more than 100m2, b, its a lot of work, and c, most of us in the modern age dont even know the basics of it anymore. i sure didnt and ive got a long way to go in learning. if i had to live from my first real garden this year, i’d be boiling acorns right now to survive. luckily i can get enough of those to live. when everybody else figures out you can eat them, dont count on finding enough of those either!

  5. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 3:57 am 

    “Dreamers! Where is all of the energy to come from?”

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/?s=solar+influx#jp-carousel-61294

    Wake up, makati, from your slumber!

  6. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 4:09 am 

    If food crops are so valuable that we can afford to grow them with artificial light, why do so many of them get fed to livestock? Or converted into biofuels? If we were to stop doing such stupid things, there would be ample land in even the most densely populated countries to feed everyone. Using intensive horticulture, it is possible to grow a sparse but sufficient vegetarian diet for one person on 100 square metres of land. By that standard

    USA:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/04/21/vertical-farming-taking-off/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/stacked-agriculture-in-singapore/

    Too much meat is bad for your health and unnecessary. Imagine a beautiful, large, steaming horse. Organism based entirely on grass.

    even the most densely populated European country (Netherlands) could feed it’s entire population using 1700 square km of land. That is about 5% of land area.

    And be the second largest agricultural exporter in the world, not too far behind the US. With only 44k km2 (slightly bigger than Maryland).

    Reason: flat land with lots of water, huge nearby “hinterland” (Germany, France, UK) and technology, technology, technology:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/geothermal-energy-in-the-netherlands/glazen-stad/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/04/24/asparagus-robot/

  7. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 4:14 am 

    You can build vertical warehouses for growing food crops for humans, next to every mega-city. Yes, you need additional (renewable) electricity for all these 5W lamps, but what you save is huge energy transport costs for far away lands with food that needs to be refrigerated all the way.

    You are no longer tied to seasons, and consumers live next to production, all year around.

  8. Davy on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 7:15 am 

    Anon, excellent summary of the very real challenges of growing food in small spaces. This is a sobering real look at the difficulties unlike other comments on ther article.

  9. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 7:50 am 

    Try doing that on a random average-fertility average-rainfall average-soil patch of 100m2 somewhere _without inputs from elsewhere_ and see how much you grow there… and then watch the yields decline dramatically after the first year or two.

    Absolute BS. In Eastern Europe and Russia huge numbers of poor people have a vegetable garden. Nice pastime for simple people.

    I did run a vegetable garden for 4 seasons on poor sandy Brabant soil, directly behind my house:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/not-in-my-backyard-2/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Brabant

    100m2 soil plus 30m2 terrace is enough to feed 2 persons. Mostly potatoes, beets, carrots, beans, onions, tomatoes.

    Throughout history farming has had low status, correctly, because it is so easy. Put your finger in the soil, put a seed in it, cover with soil, water. After a few weeks sprouts appear. Weed for 1-2 months until the crop is big enough to fence off competitors on its own and your good. Harvest, blanche for 2 minutes, put in freezer. Eat. Repeat cycle.

    I gave up on this farming because I no longer believe in peak oil supply or depletion-induced collapse. Waste of time. Engineering, programming, blogging is so much more interesting. I now know how to do it, that’s enough.

    Will probably return to my vegetable garden during my last years, to get some physical exercise, to slow down, get into contact with soil your are going to rest in anyway and perhaps because of financial collapse could have wiped out savings and state pension.

    I’m so utterly fed-up with “collapse” drama queens.

    Just made a post to make an inventory of Dutch power stations…

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/31/ave-caesar-morituri-te-salutant/

    …and realized once again that between 1970-2006 Dutch power consumption tripled. But in 1970 we were already happy. And 16 times as much as in the fifties, the years according to my mother that were the happiest in her life (when I was small and didn’t have a big mouth).

    So what is this big deal with a potential recession? Could be an opportunity for cultural, even religious rebirth.

  10. Antius on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 10:03 am 

    Some good posts. For about 3 years, my wife, father in law and I, maintained an allotment which measures about 4 by 20 metres. I would estimate that it provided about 10% of the food requirements of seven people; about one third in the summer but virtually none during winter.

    Anon is correct in noting that outside inputs are highly desirable. We added manure to the soil during winter and all our vegetable waste was composted, including wastes that were grown elsewhere. If manure were not available, then other means of recycling soil nutrients would need to be pursued. Getting the most out of it took a lot of hard work and planning. Things like cooking oil and wheat would be difficult to produce on a small scale.

    Would it have been enough to feed one person completely? I would say yes, with some caveats. It would need to be a significant hobby, at least 10 hours per week. A chest freezer would allow food to be stored year round and is essential if you intend to use a home plot as your main source of food. When trying to make the most out of a small space, it is important to make the most out of everything grown. Cauliflower leaves, potato and carrot peelings were used to make colcannon. This is an extra meal from things normally thrown away. We grew potatoes, carrots, beans, berries, onions, chard, kale, rhubarb, chillies, shallots and various herbs and spices. One thing I neglected to do was make the most of berries by making jams. This would have provided a lot of food for winter, albeit with sugar not grown on site.

  11. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 10:39 am 

    @Antius – found a very interesting 2017 master thesis here:

    https://repository.tudelft.nl/islandora/object/uuid:0c70253e-7c32-4c5e-b259-5b756ab2f49c?collection=education

    Large scale pumped hydro storage at Doggerbank, a shalow water table, owned partially by both Dutch and British.

    Hence interesting for British as well!

    (You can order your dike in Holland.lol)

    Busy writing a post about it. You can download pdf via link.

  12. Sissyfuss on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 10:52 am 

    The coming climate disruption and concomitant harvest cycle dismembering will render all of the incipient solutions for feeding the 8 billion null. Our mammalian brains are wired to gravitate towards solutions while the lizard base revels in our godlike abilities. Bandaids are proffered as the victim bleeds out. The time for corrective action was called for 30 years ago when we were at the height of abundance and useful technology. This is a time of entropy and limits as we sail over the flattened Earths edge.

  13. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 11:25 am 

    @Antius – the promised post:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/31/doggerbank-pumped-hydropower-storage/

  14. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 11:32 am 

    The coming climate disruption and concomitant harvest cycle dismembering will render all of the incipient solutions for feeding the 8 billion null. Our mammalian brains are wired to gravitate towards solutions while the lizard base revels in our godlike abilities. Bandaids are proffered as the victim bleeds out. The time for corrective action was called for 30 years ago when we were at the height of abundance and useful technology. This is a time of entropy and limits as we sail over the flattened Earths edge.

    Well put, Siss.

    You can now compete with Barbara Bush as to who has the most beautiful mind.

    /facepalm

  15. Sissyfuss on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 11:35 am 

    The bandaid Kaiser speaketh. More like braying.

  16. Antius on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 12:11 pm 

    “@Antius – the promised post”

    Wow, that is undeniably cool. I haven’t read the thesis yet, but will download it.

    Much of the material used for construction could be gathered from the sea floor using dredging. The tourist benefits could be significant, given that most of the reclaimed land is beach. The inner lake should be relatively becalmed, making it possible to house floating structures and houseboats.

    I notice from your post that costs appear to be non-linear. One gets more value for money by building a bigger lake than smaller one. It would make sense for a coalition of governments and private companies to put up funding and build the largest store possible.

    The wind turbines used for pumping could be entirely mechanical, eliminating the cost associated with electrical systems.

  17. Cloggie on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 12:47 pm 

    The Netherlands could have 4 of those 25 GW storage basins and be covered for 55% renewable electricity penetration:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/25/how-much-storage-is-needed/

    Everybody with energy expertise in the Netherlands is pushing that building mass storage should begin NOW!

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/31/large-scale-energy-storage-in-the-netherlands/

  18. Anonymouse on Mon, 31st Dec 2018 2:40 pm 

    Cloggendumbass, here is a suggestion for you. How about waiting until the ‘netherlands’, the place you keep claiming you are from, actually HAS those ‘storage’ basins installed? You know what, they dont even have to be built (yet). Or even breaking ground. Just an announcement in the local paper that permits are being applied for. Even that would be something. You know dumbass, something, tangible, that EXISTS, from you for a change.

    I bet the hovel you live in, is coal-powered. All you ever do is yammer on endlessly about what ‘could’, ‘might’, ‘possibly’ etc, ‘someday’,exist.

    Oh, and fucking World War 2.

    How about you find something, anything, for once, in your shitbox neighborhood that ACTUALLY FUCKING EXISTS, now, today, you fucking moron. Take a picture with your rat-like hook-nosed visage standing next to it, and post it here. (wear one of those yid beanies so we know its really you).

    Lets start with a real easy one, even for you. Post us a picture of one of the following.(any of the following will do)

    CloggenYids

    Hydrogen car
    Electric car
    Electric bicycle?
    Autonomous car
    Velomoible
    Solar-powered car
    Anti-Grav
    Zero-Pointer Energy Car
    Teleporter.

    If those are in the ‘shop’, or getting repaired, getting a dent removed, new dilitulum crystals installed, whatever, then how about just a picture of you on a fucking bicycle? Or if that is a stretch, then one of you sitting in your wheel-chair waiting for an autonomous robo-shuttle bus to haul your ass to synagogue.

    Some kind of tangible example, that cloggenkike can point to, that exists outside his door, as definitive proof that future has actually arrived on your doorstep. If you dont have anything like that cloggedsphincter that you can find, then how about you STFU until you do? I mean, the ‘future’ should be along any day now, so, we shouldn’t have long to wait till you get back to us with the news right?

    Retard

  19. anon on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 3:19 am 

    for the folks gardening small plots, sure you got some nice vegetables, as do i from my small garden. What percentage of the total calories you need do you think came from that garden? Again, did you bring inputs from anywhere else not on that 100m2 plot? even from right next door, that is an external input and one must be honest and include that other area in the measurement. I see for example a mention of bringing in 15 m3 of compost from somewhere. Sorry, that’s not gardening 100m2 , but gardening whatever produced all that compost, plus the 100m2!
    Also i notice there was artificial watering in that patch. that’s also a huge external input. where i garden it’s a very dry climate, also sandy soil, no rain at all for 8-9 months straight and strong sun, luckily there is a well not too far with a huge external input of a diesel-powered pump, which might lift some water once a week to keep the garden from wilting.. but water is generally very limited in this area. Being able to water every day a little bit is a huge matter for a garden, and unless one is in scotland or somewhere like that it is uncommon to find such a place outside of the tropics where there is frequent rain _and_ sunshine!
    we just need to be honest about these things.

  20. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 5:32 am 

    I have a garden, orchard, and grapes that is 3700 sq meters in central Missouri. There is no way I could live on that. I don’t intensively garden it so I can leave parts fallow. It is on a slope so parts of it are grass to prevent erosion. Fruits and vegetables only provide a portion of what a person needs. I am not saying you can’t be vegan but a true vegan is a whole foods vegan. You need a variety of specialized vegetables to get all the necessary nutrients. You can do it yourself but it is a laborious difficult endeavor that requires special locations. Not all locations offer prime garden spots. Our diets need meat, dairy, nuts, and grains too. These foods need big areas, no way around this. My garden is plagued yearly by pest. There are animals that attack what I grow. Field rats eat on my melons. Raccoons wait for the choicest fruits to ripen. Crows and black birds attack sweet corn and grapes. Then there are all those blights and that attack plants. I have losses from this but there is also storms, droughts, and too much rain. Let’s say you get food out of your garden you then need to preserve it to get you through the year. Freezing food for me is a kind of cheating from the point of view of survival. With power down you lose everything. Yea, OK, maybe you have solar like I do but the point is there are so many weak links in the gardening process that one cannot offer the average joe hope of a small garden feeding them.

    That said I am preaching to everyone who can to produce something. Everyone that can should have a garden instead of a lawn. Yard trees should be fruit trees. Grapes and berries should be around. There is so much you can plant that can help the effort at feeding yourself. Those with natural areas around can forage as an alternative. Animals should be part of the effort too. Small animals like rabbits and chickens or even bigger like goats are recommended. If you are in the right area and can do aquaculture as an alternative. There are so many ways you can assist the process of feeding yourself but don’t expect to do it all yourself. I am in a position to do this but barely. I have lots of acreage and lots of animals. It would still be a struggle for me. Sure some years it might not be a problem at all. I may even have surplus but what about the bad years when things fail. I do this day in day out and it is a struggle. I am semi-retired with money from investments. I have amazon and lowes to get special tools and inputs.

    I can’t imagine being poor with no resources and trying to do this. It takes community and it takes land that provides. It takes different lifestyles and attitudes from what most are willing are able to do. “Real” green says don’t pretend to be self-sufficient because you are a good permaculture gardener. You live in a world that allows you to be a permaculture specialist if you are one. “Real” green says do something that helps you and your community be more sustainable. I remember the stories of old people in a collapsed USSR that supplemented their meager diets with a garden plots. These stories are the real deal and what it is about. Unfortunately so many of us are delocalized communities living out of season and dependent on huge industrial monocultures distributed by vast transport networks fueled by oil IOW globalized. We have little ability to leave this. What we can do is something. If many of us turn to this way of life we can make a difference for when SHTF as it will. SHTF has always happened we have just been spoiled in recent history.

  21. Anonymouse on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 7:56 am 

    Davyturd you lying dumbass. It wasn’t a month or so ago when you were claiming to be the lord and master of a 500 ACRE farm. Remember that howler dipshit? I see, it has been downgraded to a much more realistic, 1 acre lol. Though I see fail to see how a serial sock puppeteer that is permanently glued to his discount cell-phone, has time for even that much. Maybe its doable?

    I know! I ask Juan or Mak if they think your dumbass could handle 1 acre, and your 20+ hour a day job posting rambling screeds no one pays any attention here at PO.WW2. They both have real experience in small scale, hands on ag, which, is more than we can say for you, dumbass.

    In case you didnt know, or thought 3700 m2 sounds impressive in your mind, it is less than one acre. Dumbass.

  22. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 8:16 am 

    Anonomouse, read my comment..wow…they grow some stupid ones in West coast BC…I have a small garden on 500 Acres dipshit. Ah. Yea, stupid do the math. 200ftx200ft and get back to me. The difference between you and I is I talk about issues. You beat your head against the wall in insane ranting. If anyone on this
    Forum has dropped into the dysfunctional it is you kid dumbass. I hope the worst for you this year and the way last year played out you are on track for more personal failure.

  23. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 8:51 am 

    Anony, the best way to understand who you are is by your actions. You have rarely ever talk about who you are. It has always been personal attacks or rabid biased anti-Americanism. It is clear you have no life to share. Your life must be horrible the way you rant hate and resentment daily. What a first class failure!

  24. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 8:58 am 

    Delusional Davy “If anyone on this Forum has dropped into the dysfunctional it is you …”

    You are projecting again, Exceptionalist! ROFLMFAO! Happy new year! This year my new year’s resolution is to fuck with you every day of the year! LOL! You are going to need to spend a lot of time in your imaginary garden to recover.

  25. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 9:02 am 

    Delusional Davy “Your life must be horrible the way you rant hate and resentment daily. What a first class failure!”

    And yet another projection, Exceptionalist! LOL! I can’t wait to see how much worse Davy will get this year! In a better country he would get help, but in the land of the fee and the home of the slaves he is left to rot alone and spew his venom. USA! USA! USA! LOL!

  26. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 9:03 am 

    You are just as bad as anonymouse, dirty Juan. What a waste

  27. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 9:35 am 

    Juan, maybe you will get deported this year for criminal behavior. That would be poetic justice

  28. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 10:34 am 

    Delusional Davy “Juan, maybe you will get deported this year for criminal behavior. That would be poetic justice.”

    I don’t engage in criminal behavior, Exceptionalist. I never have. I am not concerned about getting deported at all. Rich people like me can live anywhere we want. And, even if I were to willingly leave the USA, which I will probably do eventually, I can join the forum from anywhere in the world so it wouldn’t do you much good. You are stuck with me for as long as you remain here, Exceptionalist! Enjoy me! ROFLMFAO!

  29. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 10:36 am 

    Delusional Davy “You are just as bad as anonymouse, dirty Juan. What a waste.”

    You are projecting again, lunatic! ROFLMFAO!

  30. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 11:02 am 

    Juan, who knows with you. You live a lie through lies. You are mentally ill with personality dysfunctions. People in your condition say what they want people to believe IOW you manufacture your reality.

  31. Davy on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 11:24 am 

    Oh, dirty Juan, BTW I win if I remain. You are the dumbshit devoting so much effort to removing me. Now the gang is gone. Remember the old days when 6 of you deranged asshole would do the gangbang censorship effort.lol. Reallity is I have beaten you and this is why you are playing dirty. What more do you have but bad behavior which for me is you demonstrating a frustrating defeat. The more you obsess over me the greater my victory over ugliness.

  32. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 2:12 pm 

    Delusional Davy “Juan, who knows with you. You live a lie through lies. You are mentally ill with personality dysfunctions. People in your condition say what they want people to believe IOW you manufacture your reality.”

    Is projecting your main occupation, Exceptionalist? LOL!

  33. JuanP on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 2:19 pm 

    Delusional Davy “Oh, dirty Juan, BTW I win if I remain.”

    You win then! ROFLMFAO! Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? If the goal of your game was to destroy the forum completely, then I have to congratulate you on achieving your goal. There is only one intelligent, sane, educated person that still listens to your bullshit here, and that is Antius. Eveyone else has figured you out by now. Antius will stop backing you up sooner or later, too. You can only fool him for so long. Tiick, tock, tick, tock! Your life is running out, Exceptionalist, and your country is collapsing as its enemies rise, too.

  34. Anonymouse on Tue, 1st Jan 2019 2:25 pm 

    Hey dumbass, question for ya. Does that .9 acres of yours include the runway and hanger for the Lear Jet as well? Lol!

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