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Rethinking Malthus

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Of history’s great thinkers, the one most relevant to farmers and ranchers is probably the English demographer Thomas Robert Malthus. He’s famous for doubting that farmers could increase food production fast enough to feed a rapidly rising population. He thought the resulting food shortages would beget famines, diseases and wars, which would eventually reduce population back to sustainable levels.

A lot has happened since Malthus first published “An Essay on the Principle of Population” in 1798 and much of it undermines his thesis. When Malthus wrote, 800 million people called planet earth home. Today 7.7 billion do. Most have enough to eat. Hunger has not been eliminated, to be sure, but that’s arguably a distribution problem. Farmers produce enough to feed everyone, or close to enough; the world just doesn’t get the food to everyone who needs it.

During the 15 years I’ve been inflicting my opinions on DTN readers, I’ve more than once taken a swipe at Malthus, or, to be more precise, at those who continue to advocate his theory, the neo-Malthusians. As recently as last February, I headlined a post, “Do Calls for Radical Diet Changes Repeat the Malthusian Mistake?” (


I don’t apologize for this. I continue to think the neo-Malthusians underestimate the power of technology to keep up with the rapidly increasing demand for food, energy and other essentials of life. Nonetheless, I have come to a more nuanced view of Malthus thanks to a Teaching Company course titled “Big History: The Big Bang, Life on Earth and the Rise of Humanity.” (


As a history major, I took a lot of history courses during my four years in Ann Arbor 50 years ago — but never one quite like this. “Big History” is multidisciplinary. The lecturer, David Christian, is a historian but what he’s teaching blends astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, anthropology, archaeology and economics with traditional history. And talk about Big! The course begins with the universe’s beginning 13 billion years ago and covers everything since in 48 lectures.

Christian changed my view of Malthus by the way he defined historical periods. What he calls the Agrarian Era began roughly 10,000 years ago with the rise of agriculture and ended in 1700. One of this period’s key characteristics, Christian says, was the slow pace of technological change.

Because it was slow, the era was marked by repeated Malthusian cycles, which Christian defines as “Long cycles of economic, demographic, cultural and even political expansion, generally followed by periods of crisis; warfare; and demographic, cultural and political decline. These cycles, generally lasting several centuries, are apparent throughout the Agrarian era and were probably generated by the fact that, though there was innovation (which produced the upward swings), rates of innovation could not keep pace with rates of growth (which explains the eventual crashes).”

Christian backs this contention with population statistics showing a very long-term uptrend during the Agrarian Era but lots of crashes along the way.

By contrast, the distinguishing feature of Christian’s Modern Era, the time since 1700, has been a sharp acceleration in the pace of innovation. According to Christian, between 1900 and 2000 world population quadrupled but global grain production rose by five times and global industrial output by 40 times.

By Christian’s definition of the historical periods, Malthus was actually right as far as the Agrarian Era was concerned. What he failed to foresee was that in the Modern Era, which was just getting started when he wrote, the pace of technological innovation was accelerating. Not only accelerating, but accelerating so quickly that food supply would be able to keep up with population growth from 800 million to 7.7 billion.

Malthus did not live to see the sharp increase in the pace of technological innovation that took place in the 19th and 20th centuries. You have to wonder if he would have concocted his gloomy theory had he lived a century later.

It is possible, to be sure, that however fast the pace of innovation, population growth might yet eventually outpace it. This is why the neo-Malthusians haven’t conceded the debate.

When the Big History course hit the market in 2008, the world’s population was 6 billion something. It’s already risen to 7.7 billion and some demographers think it will be 10 billion in 2050. Not only is population rising, but incomes are rising in China, India and other developing countries, generating demand for not only more food but more goods of all kinds.

“Each of the more than 6 billion humans on Earth today consumes approximately 60 times as much energy as humans of the Paleolithic era,” Christian writes. “These figures suggest that the total energy consumption of our species has increased by about 60,000 times in 10,000 years.”

To Christian, then, there’s a “real threat” of a Malthusian crisis in our future. But there’s also increasing awareness of the dangers and some encouraging trends. Population growth rates are actually slowing. Ecological awareness is increasing.

“And of course,” he writes, “we should not forget ‘collective learning.’ The collective brain of modern humanity, magnified by billions of networked computers, is the most powerful problem-solving entity we know of. If there’s a solution to the problems that face us and the biosphere, 6 billion networked humans are surely likely to find it.”

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118 Comments on "Rethinking Malthus"

  1. Richard Guenette on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 6:53 pm 

    Overpopulation is a myth.

  2. Richard Guenette on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 8:32 pm 

    People have been talking about this garbage for years.

  3. asg70 on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 8:52 pm 

    “Overpopulation is a myth.”

    Man, how has fallen.

  4. makati1 on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 9:57 pm 

    asg70, it is obvious by the bullshit comments from sock puppets that is allowed. Few intelligent, educated comments or rebuttals, just goatshit.

  5. DerHundistLos on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 11:10 pm 

    Whether they admit it publicly or not, everybody knows this is going to end badly and well before mid-century.

    What, Me Worry? Humans Are Blind to Imminent Environmental Collapse

    by Professor William E. Rees, University of British Columbia

    A curious thing about H. sapiens is that we are clever enough to document — in exquisite detail — various trends that portend the collapse of modern civilization, yet not nearly smart enough to extricate ourselves from our self-induced predicament.

    This was underscored once again in October when scientists reported that flying insect populations in Germany have declined by an alarming 75 percent in the past three decades accompanied, in the past dozen years, by a 15 percent drop in bird populations. Trends are similar in other parts of Europe where data are available. Even in Canada, everything from casual windshield “surveys” to formal scientific assessments show a drop in insect numbers. Meanwhile, domestic populations of many insect-eating birds are in freefall. Ontario has lost half its whip-poor-wills in the past 20 years; across the nation, such species as nighthawks, swallows, martins, and fly-catchers are down by up to 75 percent; Greater Vancouver’s barn and bank swallows have plummeted by 98 percent since 1970. Heard much about these things in the mainstream news?

    Too bad. Biodiversity loss may turn out to be the sleeper issue of the century. It is caused by many individual but interacting factors — habitat loss, climate change, intensive pesticide use and various forms of industrial pollution, for example, suppress both insect and bird populations. But the overall driver is what an ecologist might call the “competitive displacement” of non-human life by the inexorable growth of the human enterprise.

    On a finite planet where millions of species share the same space and depend on the same finite products of photosynthesis, the continuous expansion of one species necessarily drives the contraction and extinction of others. (Politicians take note — there is always a conflict between human population/economic expansion and “protection of the environment.”)

    Remember the 40 to 60 million bison that used to roam the great plains of North America? They — along with the millions of deer, pronghorns, wolves and lesser beasts that once animated prairie ecosystems — have been “competitively displaced,” their habitats taken over by a much greater biomass of humans, cattle, pigs and sheep. And not just North Americans — Great Plains sunshine also supports millions of other people-with-livestock around the world who depend, in part on North American grain, oil-seed, pulse, and meat exports.

    Competitive displacement has been going on for a long time. Scientists estimate that at the dawn of agriculture 10,000 years ago, H. sapiens comprised less than one percent of the total weight of mammals on the planet. (There were probably only two to four million people on Earth at the time.) Since then, humans have grown to represent 35 percent of a much larger total biomass; toss in domestic pets and livestock, and human domination of the world’s mammalian biomass rises to 98.5 percent!

    One needs look no further to explain why wildlife populations globally have plunged by nearly 60 percent in the past half-century. Wild tigers have been driven from 93 percent of their historic range and are down to fewer than 4,000 individuals globally; the population of African elephants has imploded by as much as 95 percent[list=][/list] to only 500,000 today; poaching drove black rhino numbers from an already much reduced 70,000 in 1960 to only 2,500 individuals in the early 1990s. (With intense conservation effort, they have since rebounded to about 5,000). And those who still think Canada is still a mostly pristine and under-populated wilderness should think again — half the wildlife species regularly monitored in this country are in decline, with an average population drop of 83 percent since 1970. Did I mention that B.C.’s southern resident killer whale population is down to only 76 animals? That’s in part because human fishers have displaced the orcas from their favoured food, Chinook salmon, even as we simultaneously displace the salmon from their spawning streams through hydro dams, pollution, and urbanization.

    The story is similar for familiar species everywhere and likely worse for non-charismatic fauna. Scientists estimate that the “modern” species extinction rate is 1,000 to as much as 10,000 times the natural background rate. The global economy is busily converting living nature into human bodies and domestic livestock largely unnoticed by our increasingly urban populations. Urbanization distances people psychologically as well as spatially from the ecosystems that support them.

    The human band-wagon may really have started rolling 10 millennia ago but the past two centuries of exponential growth greatly have accelerated the pace of change. It took all of human history — let’s say 200,000 years — for our population to reach one billion in the early 1800s, but only 200 years, 1/1000th as much time, to hit today’s 7.6 billion! Meanwhile, material demand on the planet has ballooned even more — global GDP has increased by over 100-fold since 1800; average per capita incomes by a factor of 13. (rising to 25-fold in the richest countries). Consumption has exploded accordingly — half the fossil fuels and many other resources ever used by humans have been consumed in just the past 40 years. (See graphs in: Steffen, W et al. 2015. The trajectory of the Anthropocene: The Great Acceleration. The Anthropocene Review, Volume: 2 Issue: 1, page(s): 81-98.)

    Why does any of this matter, even to those who don’t really give a damn about nature per se? Apart from the moral stain associated with extinguishing thousands of other life-forms, there are purely selfish reasons to be concerned. For example, depending on climate zone, 78 percent to 94 percent of flowering plants, including many human food species, are pollinated by insects, birds and even bats. (Bats — also in trouble in many places — are the major or exclusive pollinators of 500 species in at least 67 families of plants.) As much as 35 percent of the world’s crop production is more or less dependent on animal pollination, which ensures or increases the production of 87 leading food crops worldwide.

    But there is a deeper reason to fear the depletion and depopulation of nature. Absent life, planet earth is just an inconsequential wet rock with a poisonous atmosphere revolving pointlessly around an ordinary star on the outer fringes of an undistinguished galaxy. It is life itself, beginning with countless species of microbes, that gradually created the “environment” suitable for life on Earth as we know it. Biological processes are responsible for the life-friendly chemical balance of the oceans; photosynthetic bacteria and green plants have stocked and maintain Earth’s atmosphere with the oxygen necessary for the evolution of animals; the same photosynthesis gradually extracted billions of tonnes of carbon from the atmosphere, storing it in chalk, limestone and fossil fuel deposits, so that Earth’s average temperature (currently about 15 C) has remained for geological ages in the narrow range that makes water-based life possible, even as the sun has been warming (i.e. stable climate is partially a biological phenomenon.); countless species of bacteria, fungi and a veritable menagerie of micro-fauna continuously regenerate the soils that grow our food. (Unfortunately, depletion-by-agriculture is even faster — by some accounts we have only just over a half-century’s worth of arable soils left).

    In short, H. sapiens depends utterly on a rich diversity of life-forms to provide various life-support functions essential to the existence and continued survival of human civilization. With an unprecedented human-induced great global die-off well underway, what are the chances the functional integrity of the ecosphere will survive the next doubling of material consumption that everyone expects before mid-century?

    Here’s the thing: climate change is not the only shadow darkening humanity’s doorstep. While you wouldn’t know it from the mainstream media, biodiversity loss arguably poses an equivalent existential threat to civilized existence. While we’re at it, let’s toss soil/landscape degradation, potential food or energy shortages and other resource limits into the mix. And if you think we’ll probably be able to “handle” four out of five such environmental problems, it doesn’t matter. The relevant version of Liebig’s Law states that any complex system dependent on several essential inputs can be taken down by that single factor in the least supply (and we haven’t yet touched upon the additional risks posed by the geopolitical turmoil that would inevitably follow ecological destabilization).

    Which raises questions of more than mere academic interest. Why are we not collectively terrified or at least alarmed? If our best science suggests we are en route to systems collapse, why are collapse — and collapse avoidance — not the primary subjects of international political discourse? Why is the world community not engaged in vigorous debate of available initiatives and trans-national institutional mechanisms that could help restore equilibrium to the relationship between humans and the rest of nature?

    There are many policy options, from simple full-cost pricing and consumption taxes; through population initiatives and comprehensive planning for a steady-state economy; to general education for voluntary (and beneficial) lifestyle changes, all of which would enhance global society’s prospects for long-term survival. Unique human qualities, from high intelligence (e.g., reasoning from the evidence), through the capacity to plan ahead to moral consciousness, may well be equal to the task but lie dormant — there is little hint of political willingness to acknowledge the problem let alone elaborate genuine solutions (which the Paris climate accord is not).

    Bottom line? The world seems in denial of a looming disaster; the “C” word remains unvoiced. Governments everywhere dismissed the 1992 scientists’ Warning to Humanity that “…a great change in our stewardship of the Earth and the life on it is required if vast human misery is to be avoided” and will similarly ignore the scientists’ “second notice.” (Published on Nov. 13, this warning states that most negative trends identified 25 years earlier “are getting far worse.”) Despite cascading evidence and detailed analysis to the contrary, the world community trumpets “growth-is-us” as its contemporary holy grail. Even the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals are fixed on economic expansion as the only hammer for every problematic nail. Meanwhile, greenhouse gases reach an all-time high, marine dead-zones proliferate, tropical forests fall and extinctions accelerate.

    Just what is going on here? The full explanation of this potentially fatal human enigma is no doubt complicated, but Herman Melville summed it up well enough in Moby Dick: “There is no folly of the beasts of the earth which is not infinitely outdone by the madness of men.”

  6. makati1 on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 11:37 pm 

    Der, waste of time posting such long cut and paste comments as no one reads them.

    Besides, yes. most have no clue what is happening nor do they care. “I am concerned about me and mine, not you and yours.” The typical response if you ask someone and they are truthful. I’m prepping for the worse and hoping for the best, but it doesn’t look good.

  7. makati1 on Sat, 23rd Nov 2019 11:40 pm 

    “If there’s a solution to the problems that face us and the biosphere, 6 billion networked humans are surely likely to find it.”

    Pure fantasy thinking. Nuff said.

  8. Nuff Said on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 4:13 am

    Nuff said.

  9. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 4:22 am 

    “Overpopulation is a myth.”

    Only a Canadian can say such a thing (10 million km2, 33 million).LOL

    Go visit Holland and rethink you claim (40k km2, 17 million).

    Overpopulation would indeed be a myth if people would suffice to walk around in their naked b*tt.

    According to NASA, for every human there are 67 trees. Nobody ever complained that the planet is overpopulated with trees. On the contrary, many are concerned about the Amazon rain forest. If people would behave more like trees, there would be no problem:

    The problem begins with never ending “economic growth”, most of all travel.

    Here 17th century Haarlem in the Netherlands. Life was good, even without (motorized) travel:

    Or even as late as 1870 (again Haarlem):

    Forbidding private car ownership and replace it with on-demand autonomous driving and all-weather e-scooters would already make a big difference and enable the return to a more pastoral way of living, post “progress”, with much lower ecological and financial footprint.

  10. Theedrich on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 4:35 am 

    Anti-Whites want infinite growth and White death.  Whites believe in the Christian guilt myth and want to expunge their psychopathy by helping dark populations explode and extinguish planetary biology.

    The entire economic system of the planet — aside, perhaps, from North Korea — is programmed to annihilate all higher life.  Since in 1939-45 the Anglosphere destroyed the last chance the earth had to restrain untrammeled growth, there is no longer any hope of survival left.

  11. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 4:50 am 

    “there is no longer any hope of survival left.”

    That could be too pessimistic. Eastern Europe is not interested in its own demise and the mood is definitely changing in Western Europe as well, first of all Italy. And now Spain, in Holland, Germany and even Sweden (populists now largest in the polls).

    But the Big One will occur in the US. The US won’t survive, not in its present shape, but whitey world-wide has more than enough square miles to survive and thrive, that’s not the issue. The real issue is the value system. We need a Nietzschean “Umwertung Aller Werte”, read: thorougly de-Christianize ourselves. We need to close down the Vatican and turn it into a gym, like in Antiquity and deport the pope to Libya as a persona non grata. Alternatively he could be fed to the lions in the Colosseum. The possibilities are endless.

  12. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 4:54 am 

    “According to NASA, for every human there are 67 trees. Nobody ever complained that the planet is overpopulated with trees. On the contrary, many are concerned about the Amazon rain forest. If people would behave more like trees, there would be no problem:”

    Cloggo, lame response. LOL. Please, humans will not behave more like trees once they are in a civilization. They behave like the invasive species they are in such a setting. Semi-nomadic hunter gatherers in tribal or confederation of tribes is as good as it gets in regards to ecological integration in greater complex apex ecosystems. Now, this is not to say civilization is absolutely bad. It has been fun, huh? Double LOL. Probably short-lived fun but a wild experience of touching the stars. No, civilization has consequences and it is preprogramed to follow a process of succession. This process is natural and based on planetary processes we pretend we are not part of because you know we are intelligent. We think we can transcend planetary processes because we think intelligence is something divine. Who knows the truth of higher powers but I doubt we know them like we think we do with corrupted human intelligence? History and science prove societies have a cycle just like all ecosystems do. Some civilizations have been better than others. There may even be a proper mix in a different world for a best case but the cycling basis is nonnegotiable. I say different world because we have destroyed this one so options are now limited.

  13. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:12 am 

    “But the Big One will occur in the US. The US won’t survive, not in its present shape”

    We will be following you down, don’t worry cloggo, you will not be alone. You have the right stuff for a nice Balkanization just like so many times in your past. You have destiny for it. cloggo.

  14. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:22 am 

    “Ukraine, Trump, & Biden – The Real Story Behind “Ukrainegate” zero hedge

    “Authored by Eric Zuesse, Since this news-report is going to be especially harsh regarding today’s Democratic Party in the United States, readers should be aware that until that Party nominated Hillary Clinton in 2016, this writer was, and consistently voted as, a Democrat, and that I have never been, and never could be, a Republican. In no way does this article reflect a Republican viewpoint. It is not partisan — not favoring one person’s viewpoint over any other’s. (Though it does favor trustworthy evidence over untrustworthy hearsay and witnesses, etc.) This article is written by a consistent progressive, which means a person whose top value is truth, nothing else than 100% honesty and reflecting only personally verified sources, real facts. Intense care has therefore been taken in checking and cross-checking and validating information before accepting here anything as constituting information instead of as being disinformation (which is sadly rampant). The following article is written only because it reports what my own independent researches have found to be the actual case regarding what is now commonly called “Ukrainegate” (the focus of the impeachment-proceedings against U.S. President Donald Trump).”

  15. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:26 am 

    Sick and tired of this site, more memory holes 🙁

    Probably due to links:

    “Please, humans will not behave more like trees once they are in a civilization.”

    Perhaps in America. I think Europe could be ready for this in a decade or so:

    Here Google streetview of the St. Jansstraat in Haarlem, with about the same viewpoint as in the 1870 Springer painting, linked to above:

    Note the f* cars.

    Remove them from the city, all of them! No more parking.

    [part 1]

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:27 am 

    Next part 2:

    A city should be for pedestrians, bicycles, trams, slow-driving e-scooters and driver-less taxis, that can halt only to pick up waiting passengers:

    Here is a map with all major roads in the Netherlands:

    [part 2]

  17. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:27 am 

    And finally part 3:

    Technology is already so far advanced that at least on these roads autonomous driving could be introduced in a couple of years, with the government announcing that in a decade or so, private car ownership will be discouraged if not forbidden. I already received a letter from the municipality of Eindhoven that they no longer have the ambition to guarantee a parking space.

    Private companies could operate services of thousands of little autonomous or larger buses with driver on these roads, basically replacing existing railroads with a far more fine-grained travel-system. Congestions would be a thing of the past when an Ford-Transit-like vehicle with 5 passengers would replace 5 sedan’s. Not to mention transport fuel and embedded energy in the vehicle.

    The government should provide “station-like” platform infrastructure along these roads, so people can step in or change car.

    [part 3]

  18. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:29 am 

    Again 1870 Haarlem, St. Jansstraat:

    No cars

  19. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:58 am 

    WOW, just finished reading this article.
    Powerful shit that anyone who wants to understand US imperialism should read!

    “Ukraine, Trump, & Biden – The Real Story Behind “Ukrainegate” zero hedge

  20. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:11 am 

    This is a omen for the BRI too. Expect many uneconomic projects to grind to a hault.

    “China’s Skyscraper Boom Comes Crashing Down Amid Developer Default” zero hedge

    “Investors typically concentrate on GDP growth, leading indicators, and other forms of macro data to determine a turning point in the economy, and or to determine when the window of vulnerability opens up that could shock the economy into the next recession. For years, we’ve cited some fascinating alternative forms of data, such as the Skyscraper Index, which was first elaborated by Andrew Lawrence in January 1999. The index is simple; the world’s tallest buildings are often constructed or completed at economic turning points, right before or just as the downturn gets underway…Since the crisis, most of the world’s tallest buildings have been constructed across Asia. The Financial Times (FT) is reporting that a subsidiary of China’s largest construction company recently halted work on the nation’s tallest skyscraper after the developer defaulted on a payment. The default comes at a time when China’s economy is decelerating as Beijing conducts economic reforms to transition from an export-based economy to a more domestic, consumer-driven economy. Also, trade tensions and global debt saturation have been other leading causes for China’s slowdown. FT obtained a copy of a letter that specified China Construction Third Engineering Bureau Co would halt construction on a 1,558 feet skyscraper in the central city of Wuhan. Details within the letter specified how Greenland Group, China’s largest developer, had failed to make a “significant” payment to fund the project. “Unfinished super tall skyscrapers, which cost a huge amount of funds to build, are a typical sign of economic recession,” said Yan Yuejin, an analyst at Shanghai-based E-house China Research and Development Institution. “They are financed by credit and will run into trouble when lenders begin to scale back.” As China’s economic growth slumps to three-decade lows, credit for property developers has been turned off. FT also learned that construction of more than a dozen skyscrapers, some more than 900 feet tall, have been postponed or behind schedule in 2019.”

  21. DerHundistLos on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 8:50 am 


    Your most insightful comment yet.

    Quite frankly, I can’t get a grip around “the force” that continues to perpetuate our suicidal drift. Nothing changes. Those in positions of power and influence nibble around the edges to fool everyone, and how easily is the public fooled.

    I am convinced of one thing. There is an escape plan in effect for a select number of people and their families. Otherwise, they would have raised the alarm long ago. I know some of this to be true based on my time in the military with a Top Secret security clearance.

    Or do you, the reader, honestly believe the ultra rich and powerful are simply obtuse and preoccupied with Trump’s idiotic tweets? That so few even consider this as a possibility adds further credence to my analysis.

  22. DerHundistLos on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 9:09 am 

    If you have to convince someone you’re telling the truth, you’re most likely not.

    I have to laugh. The author of the Zero article, “Ukrainegate” tries oh so very hard to make the reader believe he’s an honest to goodness Democrat. The writer spends half of the introductory paragraph explaining that he’s not just any old Democrat, but a PROGRESSIVE Democrat at that.

    Of course the purpose of all this hand wringing is to convince (there’s that word again) the reader that extra-ordinary credibility should be given to his claims.

    There’s no need to read any further. You know what’s coming next-lol

  23. Sissyfuss on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 9:38 am 

    Brother Derhund, Science Daily published a report stating that the Arctic is transforming from a carbon sink to a source. With the vast gigatons of methane ensconced within the not so permafrost and the clathrates on the rapidly warming sea floor this will be a trigger to runaway heating of the planet. Our greatest need is for carbon capture being implemented immediately and in quantity. All out technological endeavors should be laser focused on removing carbon from the atmosphere but the greed mongers are trying to take us down the road to self-destruction without concern or care.

  24. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 10:05 am 

    Electric vehicles will be another form of e-waste one day.

  25. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 10:05 am 

    Horse and buggy doesn’t waste resources or pollute the environment.

  26. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 10:19 am 

    Fertility rates are dropping. I think chemical and biological warfare is to blame.

  27. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 10:21 am 

    There are chemicals in our food, water, clothing, toiletries etc. As for diseases, they are becoming drug-resistant (because of the misuse of certain medication).

  28. peakyeast on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 11:26 am 

    People seems to forget just how many times there has been famine and starvation before Malthus wrote his book.

    Also – what does “food” help if it is poisonous or lack necessary nutrient?

    And that we are already seeing as a skyrocketing problem. Also remember the bioaccumulating toxins and where humans are in the food chain.

    Some people are stupid enough to worry about underpopulation at a time like this.. For example Elon Musk…

    He must be living in another simulation of the universe than I am to be sure.

  29. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 11:39 am 

    “Fertility rates are dropping. I think chemical and biological warfare is to blame.”

    How about hedonism and preservation?

    “Also – what does “food” help if it is poisonous or lack necessary nutrient?”

    Life expectancy is higher than ever before. People are longer fit than ever before.

  30. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 11:45 am 

    U.S. Life Expectancy Drops for Third Year in a Row

  31. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 11:52 am 

    More Democrats-bashing from James-Howard Kunstler, every bash richly deserved:

    “The Storms of December”

  32. Cloggie on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 11:54 am 

    Life expectancy in the EU still rising but at lower pace:

    EU: 81.0 year
    Netherlands: 81.73 year

  33. makati1 on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:11 pm 

    For your reading pleasure/education…

    “Germany Did Not Start World War II”

    The denials are already in the air and no one here has read the article, just the headline.

    Amerikans don’t want to know the truth. The lies are more comfortable. But, it is difficult to put down PCR.

  34. makati1 on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:15 pm 

    Cloggie, the freak show called ‘Amerikan Politics’ is a waste of time. The oligarchs control the government. The “elected” reps represent the same oligarchs. If they wore jackets with the logos of their corporate sponsors, they would be more honest. but honesty is a lost art in Amerika. Hypocrisy and lies are the norm.

  35. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:19 pm 

    “Cloggie, the freak show called ‘Amerikan Politics’ is a waste of time.”

    Better than anything coming out of China.

  36. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:26 pm 

    Whose is responsible for all of the world’s problems? Every single one of us (there is no “They”). I’m done with P.O.

  37. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:31 pm 

    I want my mommy

  38. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 5:43 pm 

    Say whatever you want! I’m not worried one bit.

  39. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoa it begins to look like a triple rainbow omg what does it mean WDIM omg on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:00 pm 

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  40. Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:06 pm 

    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk sucks cock

  41. makati1 on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:23 pm 

    Davy’s Sinophobia is getting to the critical stage! Try to get an education on the real China, Davy.

    “How Does China Evaluate and Choose its Leaders? Understanding China’s University System”

    If that one didn’t blow your brain, try this one, by the same author.

    “Understanding China”

    Both authored by an Amerikan who has actually lived and worked in China for the last 15 years. But you will not even bother as it would show just how brainwashed you really are Delusional Davy. Totally brainwashed.

  42. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:38 pm 

    Please, makato, spare us your nutter reference sites. You are enough of a fraud as it is with you rabid agenda of hate and resentment.

  43. makati1 on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 6:51 pm 

    The river of denial runs deep in your twisted, deluded mind doesn’t it Davy. You have not had time to read those since I posted them as it would total over an hour of reading.

    I just point out facts about the real world and how a certain rabid country needs to be put down. That you live there and want to pretend all is well is ok with me. You will be the one to feel the pain, not myself.

  44. DMyers on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 7:20 pm 

    “Horse and buggy doesn’t waste resources or pollute the environment.”
    Richard Guenette on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 10:05 am

    I don’t disagree with this, to the extent it is a general position statement. But it does require a deeper examination of horse pollution. We have observed that horses tend to leave large piles and puddles in their wakes. These deposits are water soluble and will be dispersed by subsequent rains. Horses also have to eat, which leads to arguable diversion of arable land from human food production.

    An interesting thing about horse and buggy culture is that we have access to an ongoing, real-life laboratory to observe and study the actual byproducts of that lifestyle. Many of the Amish sect in northern Indiana limit themselves to horse and buggy transport to this day.

    I know little about the Amish, other than their obvious penchant for non-conformity. But anyone advocating a return to literal horse power in the modern era could study the Amish, in order to draw tried and true conclusions about the efficacy of horse and buggy transport in 2019.

  45. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 7:34 pm 

    BTW makato. WhenI say us or we. I’m talkin about the trilogy. Me Myself and I.

    The 3 dumbasses.

  46. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 7:43 pm 

    Oops, sorry makato. I meant the trinity. As in the **Holy** Me Myself and I.

    The stupidest dumbasses any were

  47. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum newspeak I knew some wrong when a pretty little white girl ran to a black man arms dead giveaway deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeereered giveaway on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 8:08 pm 

    Im here to break up conlib supremacist whitey jerk and supremacist muzzies jerk coalition. If I draw intense fire im doing it right

  48. Davy on Sun, 24th Nov 2019 8:25 pm 

    For anyone that cares. I’m gonna cry my widdle dumbass self to sleep again to nite. I’m not sure why I keep hanging out on this lame unmoderated forum all the time.

    stupid me

  49. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum newspeak double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoah it begins to look like a triple rainbow what does it mean WDIM on Mon, 25th Nov 2019 12:31 am 

    Muzzie destroyed liquor store in Germany
    Muzzie FGM NASTY taught muzzies FGM NASTY HOW TO EAT AND drink while bagged. FGM NASY ate croissant shaped crescent moon commemorating whitey supertard sobieski defeated muzzies all victory to (((supremetard)))

  50. kervennic on Mon, 25th Nov 2019 1:40 pm 

    The problem is that human has shifted toward a rat-like species with time. This is why Malthus wxas wrong: human adapt and change. Tomorrow they will go from rat to simple machine and will find that there as never been a problem with resources since a machine needs less energy to perform better mental tasks.
    It does not fall in love and skip the sexual life… But are those feelings really necessary to have a decent life ?

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