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The end of economic growth:
the recession that will not end in our lifetime

 

We are past limits to growth, this is not a cyclical recession

Some of the media, government elites, and the financial world knew the 2008 financial crash was imminent but feigned surprise in public while planning their exit strategies and wargaming how to manage and manipulate the crisis to protect their power (not just more profits). The financial meltdown is not a cyclical recession, it is a permanent economic shift. The End of Growth transcends ideologies and partisan politics.

Now that we are at Peak Everything we need to move beyond Peak Denial and Peak Blame to equitably share the shrinking economic pie. Even if transnational corporations were converted into democratic, locally owned cooperatives, we have still overshot Earth’s carrying capacity.

 

Steady state economics for an ecological society

The dominant paradigm teaches money is the most important value, energy conservation and ecological sanity are nice if we can afford them.

Most of the environmental movement has embraced the concept of the Triple Bottom Line, which suggests that the economy needs to consider ecology and social justice issues. While it is good to factor these into economic decisions, the deeper truth is the environment makes the economy possible. Energy creates money, not the other way around. No jobs on a dead planet.

It is probably not a coincidence that many of the political voices calling attention to the problems of fiat currency, the Federal Reserve and other structural problems rarely mention the underlying ecological limits – and worse, some of them seem fixated on Jewish bankers who allegedly run the world.

We need to weave together social justice advocates with understanding of how fiat money is created and that we have reached the limits to infinite growth on a finite planet.

Monty Python - the very big corporation of America
The Very Big Corporation of America from Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life

www.peakchoice.org/peak-electricity.html
Renewables for a Steady State Economy by Mark Robinowitz

Using solar energy for twenty years (and wind power for ten) taught me that renewable energy could only run a smaller, steady state economy. Our exponential growth economy requires ever increasing consumption of concentrated resources (fossil fuels are more energy dense than renewables). A solar energy society would require moving beyond growth-and-debt based money.

After fossil fuel we will only have solar power, but that won’t replace what we use now. We need to abandon the myth of endless growth on a round, and therefore, finite planet to have a planet on which to live. Will we use the remaining fossil fuels to make lots of solar panels and relocalize food production instead of waging Peak Oil Wars?

 

from Extraenvironmentalist.com – interview conducted at Northwest Permaculture gathering, October 2012
permaculture design, steady state economics, peak money, solar energy, limits to growth
www.peakchoice.org/audio/interview-mark-robinowitz.mp3
15 minutes, 33 megabytes

 


 

The thermodynamic value of money:

money to burn


 

economic experts

understanding links between energy and money

 

ASPO USA: Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas, USA

from the ASPO-USA Peak Oil Notes, October 29, 2009
Association for the Study of Peak Oil
www.aspousa.org
Quote of the day:

“(Steven Chu, US Secretary of Energy) was my boss. He knows all about peak oil, but he can’t talk about it. If the government announced that peak oil was threatening our economy, Wall Street would crash. He just can’t say anything about it.”
— David Fridley, scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory,
quoted in an article by Lionel Badal (see Peak Oil News, 10/28, item #23)

 

Automatic Earth

Nicole Foss

 

 

Center for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy

www.steadystate.org

“A steady state economy can be compared to a mature forest ecosystem. The forest does not grow in aerial extent, but it is a complex, dynamic, and evolving system.”

 

Colin Campbell, petroleum geologist, founder of ASPO, invented “Peak Oil” term

“Once you realize that this cheap, abundant, easy oil isn’t there, that tells you that virtually every company quoted on the stock market is now overvalued.”

 

www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/newsletter95_200811.pdf
“future historians will probably look back and see this as one of the great turning points for mankind. In short, debt has been premised on eternal economic growth based on flat-earth economic principles, without recognising that the growth depends on cheap energy that will no longer be available after the peak of oil production as imposed by Nature.”

 

“as we move beyond the age of oil and beyond the economy that is driven by the age of oil, we enter an entirely new world – there really are frankly no experts anywhere who can come forward and say exactly what we do in this situation – it is entirely new to everybody’s experience – there are no investors who can say this is a good investment in this situation, there are no politicians who can say this is how we should behave in this situation, even in a humble business way there is no business that can plan its future because every single aspect of its future is going to change and so we are left with a sort of vacuum”
— Colin Campbell, founder of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil www.peakoil.net
quoted in “Peak Oil: Imposed by Nature”

 

John Michael Greer

www.resilience.org/stories/2015-06-03/the-era-of-breakdown

John Michael Greer

….

The problem we face today, in the United States and more broadly throughout the world’s industrial societies, is that all the institutions of industrial civilization presuppose limitless economic growth, but the conditions that provided the basis for continued economic growth simply aren’t there any more. The 300-year joyride of industrialism was made possible by vast and cheaply extractable reserves of highly concentrated fossil fuels and other natural resources, on the one hand, and a biosphere sufficiently undamaged that it could soak up the wastes of human industry without imposing burdens on the economy, on the other. We no longer have either of those requirements.
With every passing year, more and more of the world’s total economic output has to be diverted from other activities to keep fossil fuels and other resources flowing into the industrial world’s power plants, factories, and fuel tanks; with every passing year, in turn, more and more of the world’s total economic output has to be diverted from other activities to deal with the rising costs of climate change and other ecological disruptions. These are the two jaws of the trap sketched out more than forty years ago in the pages of The Limits to Growth, still the most accurate (and thus inevitably the most savagely denounced) map of the predicament we face. The consequences of that trap can be summed up neatly: on a finite planet, after a certain point—the point of diminishing returns, which we’ve already passed—the costs of growth rise faster than the benefits, and finally force the global economy to its knees.
The task ahead of us is thus in some ways the opposite of the one that France faced in the aftermath of 1789. Instead of replacing a sclerotic and failing medieval economy with one better suited to a new era of industrial expansion, we need to replace a sclerotic and failing industrial economy with one better suited to a new era of deindustrial contraction.

 

Growth Busters

“it’s a cold political reality that today no candidate can win election on a platform that respects the laws of physics on a finite planet.”
— Dave Gardner, “Who Will Get This Economy Moving? No One,” Nov 05, 2012
www.growthbusters.org/2012/11/who-will-get-this-economy-moving-no-one/

 

Charles Hall

 

 

Richard Heinberg, Post Carbon Institute

“The End of Growth”
www.postcarbon.org

from The End of Suburbia (2004) DVD
Chapter 8
Richard Heinberg, author, “The Party’s Over”

the consequences of global oil peak for the average family may not be immediately apparent
because energy prices and the economy are so closely intertwined, that would probably result in an economic recession.
the underlying direction of events would be toward decreased economic activity because there would be less energy available to fuel economic activity
people would be wondering why we’re in recession after recession and why every recession seems to be a little bit worse than the last one
it takes longer to get out of it and then we never quite get out of the recession
until finally it would come to the point after a few years where the recession would turn into an economic depression
and in this case it will be one that never ends

 

David Holmgren, co-originator of permaculture

David Holmgren, the co-orginator of permaculture, is author of Future Scenarios: How Communities can adapt to Peak Oil and Climate Change.

“Economic recession is the only proven mechanism for a rapid reduction of greenhouse gas emissions
… most of the proposals for mitigation from Kyoto to the feverish efforts to construct post Kyoto solutions have been framed in ignorance of Peak Oil. As Richard Heinberg has argued recently, proposals to cap carbon emissions annually, and allowing them to be traded, rely on the rights to pollute being scarce relative to the availability of the fuel. Actual scarcity of fuel may make such schemes irrelevant.”
www.futurescenarios.org

“Awareness of Climate Change by the media and general public is obviously running well ahead of awareness about Peak Oil, but there are interesting differences in this general pattern when we look more closely at those involved in the money and energy industries. Many of those involved in money and markets have begun to rally around Climate Change as an urgent problem that can be turned into another opportunity for economic growth (of a green economy). These same people have tended to resist even using the term Peak Oil, let alone acknowledging its imminent occurrence. Perhaps this denial comes from an intuitive understanding that once markets understand that future growth is not possible, then it’s game over for our fiat system of debt-based money.”
— David Holmgren, co-originator of permaculture
“Money vs. Fossil energy: the battle to control the world”
www.holmgren.com.au

David Holmgren (co-originator of permaculture) has some of the best understanding of energy issues.
podcast February 12, 2014
http://c-realm.com/podcasts/crealm/401-psycho-social-debt-jubilee/
401: Psycho-social Debt Jubilee
KMO welcomes permaculture co-originator David Holmgren to the C-Realm Podcast to discuss two of his essays: Money Vs Fossil Energy: the Battle for Control of the World and Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future. David has been tracking the onset of climate change and peak oil for many years, but he says that in recent years, largely due to the work of Steve Keen and Nicole Foss, he has come to see financial systems as the fastest moving and most volatile element in emerging global crisis. He describes why he considers the Bush administration to have been guided by a certain energy realism lacking in too many social and climate activists. Finally, he describes why he thinks that multiple generations of mass affluence has left us saddled with a psycho-social debt that will be very difficult for us to discharge.

“The dip in global emissions created by the 2008 global financial crisis was ignored by the climate activist community as an inconvenient truth.”
“Crash on Demand: Welcome to the Brown Tech Future,” by David Holmgren (co-originator of permaculture)
http://holmgren.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Crash-on-demand.pdf

 

M. King Hubbert

excerpt from Richard Heinberg, “The Party’s Over,” pp. 91-92, discussing M. King Hubbert, the geologist who first figured out the math behind Peak Oil. Hubbert predicted in 1956 that the USA would peak around 1970, he was pilloried for this but the USA did peak in 1970. Hubbert later predicted that the world would peak in the mid 1990s, but then cautioned this might get pushed back a decade due to the oil shock of 1973, which is what happened. Hubbert initially thought nuclear power would be the post-fossil fuel solution but changed his mind and said solar energy was the answer, but this would require giving up exponential growth and learning to live within natural limits on a finite planet. — Mark

 

Hubbert immediately grasped the vast economic and social implications of this information [Peak Oil]. He understood the role of fossil fuels in the creation of the modern industrial world, and thus foresaw the wrenching transition that would likely occur following the peak in global extraction rates. …

The world’s present industrial civilization is handicapped by the coexistence of two universal, overlapping, and incompatible intellectual systems: the accumulated knowledge of the last four centuries of the properties and interrelationships of matter and energy; and the associated monetary culture which has evolved from folkways of prehistoric origin.
The first of these two systems has been responsible for the spectacular rise, principally during the last two centuries, of the present industrial system and is essentially for its continuance. The second, an inheritance from the prescientific past, operates by rules of its own having little in common with those of the matter-energy system. Nevertheless, the monetary system, by means of a loose coupling, exercises a general control over the matter-energy system upon which it is superimposed.
Despite their inherent incompatibilities, these two systems during the last two centuries have had one fundamental characteristic in common, namely exponential growth, which has made a reasonably stable coexistence possible. But, for various reasons, it is impossible for the matter-energy system to sustain exponential growh for more than a few tens of doublings, and this phase is by now almost over. The monetary system has no such constraints, and, according to one of its most fundamental rules, it must continue to grow by compound interest.

Hubbert thus believed that society, if it is to avoid chaos during the energy decline, must give up its antiquated, debt-and-interest-based monetary system and adopt a system of accounts based on matter-energy — an inherently ecological system that would acknowledge the finite nature of essential resources.
Hubbert was quoted as saying we are in a “crisis in the evolution of human society. It’s unique to both human and geologic history. It has never happened before and it can’t possibly happen again. You can only use oil once. You can only use metals once. Soon all the oil is going to be burned and all the metals mined and scattered.”
Statements like this one gave Hubbert the popular image of a doomsayer. Yet he was not a pessimist, indeed, on occasion he could assume the role of utopian seer. We have, he believed, the necessary know-how, all we need do is overhaul our culture and find an alternative to money. If society were to develop solar-energy technologies, reduce its population and its demands on resources, and develop a steady-state economy to replace the present one based on unending growth, our species’ future could be rosy indeed. “We are not starting from zero,” he emphasized. “We have an enormous amount of existing technical knowledge. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. We still have great flexibility but our maneuverability will diminish with time.”

 

www.hubbertpeak.com/hubbert/monetary.htm

“Two Intellectual Systems: Matter-energy and the Monetary Culture”

(summary, by M. King Hubbert)

During a 4-hour interview with Stephen B Andrews, SbAndrews at worldnet.att.net, on March 8, 1988, Dr. Hubbert handed over a copy of the following, which was the subject of a seminar he taught, or participated in, at MIT Energy Laboratory on Sept 30, 1981.

“The world’s present industrial civilization is handicapped by the coexistence of two universal, overlapping, and incompatible intellectual systems: the accumulated knowledge of the last four centuries of the properties and interrelationships of matter and energy; and the associated monetary culture which has evloved from folkways of prehistoric origin.

“The first of these two systems has been responsible for the spectacular rise, principally during the last two centuries, of the present industrial system and is essential for its continuance. The second, an inheritance from the prescientific past, operates by rules of its own having little in common with those of the matter-energy system. Nevertheless, the monetary system, by means of a loose coupling, exercises a general control over the matter-energy system upon which it is super[im]posed.

“Despite their inherent incompatibilities, these two systems during the last two centuries have had one fundamental characteristic in common, namely, exponential growth, which has made a reasonably stable coexistence possible. But, for various reasons, it is impossible for the matter-energy system to sustain exponential growth for more than a few tens of doublings, and this phase is by now almost over. The monetary system has no such constraints, and, according to one of its most fundamental rules, it must continue to grow by compound interest. This disparity between a monetary system which continues to grow exponentially and a physical system which is unable to do so leads to an increase with time in the ratio of money to the output of the physical system. This manifests itself as price inflation. A monetary alternative corresponding to a zero physical growth rate would be a zero interest rate. The result in either case would be large-scale financial instability.”

“With such relationships in mind, a review will be made of the evolution of the world’s matter-energy system culminating in the present industrial society. Questions will then be considered regarding the future:

  • What are the constraints and possibilities imposed by the matter-energy system? human society sustained at near optimum conditions?
  • Will it be possible to so reform the monetary system that it can serve as a control system to achieve these results?
  • If not, can an accounting and control system of a non-monetary nature be devised that would be approptirate for the management of an advanced industrial system?

“It appears that the stage is now set for a critical examination of this problem, and that out of such inquries, if a catastrophic solution can be avoided, there can hardly fail to emerge what the historian of science, Thomas S. Kuhn, has called a major scientific and intellectual revolution.”

 

The following is from an article entitled “King Hubbert: Science’s Don Quixote,” in the February 1983 issue of Geophysics magazine, by Robert Dean Clark, assistant editor:

“Hubbert has had serious health problems for several years. Both his eyesight and hearing now give him problems. But neither the ailments nor the recent adulation have eroded his zest for intellectual combat. In recent years, he has assaulted a target–which he labels the culture of money–that is gigantic even by Hubbert standards. His thesis is that society is seriously handicapped because its two most important intellectual underpinnings, the science of matter-energy and the historic system of finance, are incompatible. A reasonable co-existance is possible when both are growing at approximately the same rate. That, Hubbert says, has been happening since the start of the industrial revolution but it is soon going to end because the amount of [that the?] matter-energy system can grow is limited while money’s growth is not.

“‘I was in New York in the 30s. I had a box seat at the depression,’ Hubbert says. ‘I can assure you it was a very educational experience. We shut the country down because of monetary reasons. We had manpower and abundant raw materials. Yet we shut the country down. We’re doing the same kind of thing now but with a different material outlook. We are not in the position we were in 1929-30 with regard to the future. Then the physical system was ready to roll. This time it’s not. We are in a crisis in the evolution of human socienty. It’s unique to both human and geologic history. It has never happened before and it can’t possibly happen again. You can only use oil once. You can only use metals once. Soon all the oil is going to be burned and all the metals mined and scattered.’

“That is obviously a scenario of catastrophe, a possibility Hubbert concedes. But it is not one he forecasts. The man known to many as a pessimist is, in this case, quite hopeful. In fact, he could be the ultimate utopian. We have, he says, the necessary technology. All we have to do is completely overhaul our culture and find an alternative to money.

“‘We are not starting from zero,’ he emphasizes. ‘We have an enormous amount of existing technical knowledge. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. We still have great flexibility but our maneuverability will diminish with time.’

“A non-catastrophic solution is impossible, Hubbert feels, unless society is made stable. This means abandoning two axioms of our culture…the work ethic and the idea that growth is the normal state of life….”

During his interview with Dr. Hubbert, Mr. Andrews asked him for his updated perspective, five years later, about his comments as quoted in the article above. He said:

“our window of opportunity is slowly closing…at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better. The most important thing is to get a clear picture of the situation we’re in, and the outlook for the future–exhaustion of oil and gas, that kind of thing…and an appraisal of where we are and what the time scale is. And the time scale is not centuries, it’s decades.”

 

Martin Luther King

I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about “Where do we go from here,” that we honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, “Why are there forty million poor people in America?” And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life’s marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask the question, “Who owns the iron ore?” You begin to ask the question, “Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?” These are questions that must be asked.
Now, don’t think that you have me in a “bind” today. I’m not talking about communism.
What I’m saying to you this morning is that communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problems of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together.
— Martin Luther King, “Where do we go from here?” August 16, 1967

 

James Howard Kunstler

“This is not so much financial bad weather as financial climate change”
— James Howard Kunstler

 

http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/02/next.html

All forms of government in recent times find themselves in the same predicament: the mismanagement of contraction. Too many people and too many enterprises are competing for a contracting resource base. In many poor countries it expresses itself plainly as expensive food, or no food at all for some. The expensive food part of the story is already being felt in the wealthier countries, too, but the contraction expresses itself more in terms of money – many people do not have enough, or else much less than they were used to having, and at the same time the money that does circulate seems increasingly worthless. So we have the great debate over whether the contraction is deflationary or inflationary.
That debate could not happen if money retained its essential meaning as a reliable medium of exchange, but the idea of what exactly money is, is becoming increasingly clouded everywhere as compound interest fails in the face of contraction. And as compound interest fails – in the form of loans that can’t be repaid – the banking system implodes. This implosion has been artfully papered over with enough accounting tricks so that many citizens do not even perceive it as being underway.

 

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158 Comments on "Peak Money: a permanent change"

  1. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 4:07 pm 

    Mark’s site oilempire.com is a must read! Tons of esoteric knowledge!

  2. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 4:11 pm 

    And lets not forget how the government used Matthew Simmons than murdered him in cold blood to cover up their tracks!

  3. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 4:17 pm 

    “(Steven Chu, US Secretary of Energy) was my boss. He knows all about peak oil, but he can’t talk about it. If the government announced that peak oil was threatening our economy, Wall Street would crash. He just can’t say anything about it.”

    — David Fridley, scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory

  4. Mad Kat on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 5:02 pm 

    “the recession that will not end in our lifetime” Should read: “the DEPRESSION that will not end in our lifetime.” Well, in the West anyway.

    The US is in a depression, not a recession and only the lies and faux numbers keep the serfs from rising up and having their own version of the French Revolution. But it is getting more and more difficult to hide. Soon 3rd world* America will be obvious to the even the most denialist of the peasants. THEN the real fun begins. The Great Leveling is moving forward and the peasants are moving on down.

    * “Third World countries are largely characterized as poor and underdeveloped. In these countries, low levels of education, poor infrastructure, improper sanitation and poor access to health care mean living conditions are seen as inferior to those in the world’s more developed nations.” Investopedia.com

    Low level of education (See MM above) – CHECK!
    Poor (crumbling) infrastructure – CHECK!
    Improper sanitation (see below) – CHECK!
    poor access to (un-affordable) healthcare – CHECK!

    “every year there are 75,000 over flows in the U.S., discharging approximately 900 billion gallons of untreated sewage into lakes, rivers, and streams.”

    https://www.mbtmag.com/blog/2014/04/just-how-bad-are-america%E2%80%99s-infrastructure-problems

    “…then we never quite get out of the recession until finally it would come to the point after a few years where the recession would turn into an economic depression and in this case it will be one that never ends” R.H.

    Third world America is in a depression it will never get out of.

  5. onlooker on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 6:25 pm 

    I guess Mathew Simmons knew a little too much about the advanced state of depletion of Ghawar, the gem of the oil world!

  6. Davy on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 6:39 pm 

    Sure billy, show us just how business savvy you are with economics. You are about as dumb as they come. If you are going to howl your bogus agenda at least know
    when to do it or you look like an idiot. Today you look like an idiot.

  7. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 7:21 pm 

    We all know what happened with Ruppert! That is what accepting peak oil can do to a mind!

  8. Mad Kat on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 7:25 pm 

    “Contrary to what you might read or hear, President Donald Trump alone hasn’t surrendered U.S. strategic leadership in Asia to China. What he has done is accelerate long-term trends that have severely diminished America’s position in the Western Pacific…

    President Donald Trump alone hasn’t surrendered U.S. strategic leadership in Asia to China. What he has done is accelerate long-term trends that have severely diminished America’s position in the Western Pacific, an area where the U.S. had held sway largely unchallenged since World War II.

    That era of primacy is close to an end. In fact, the U.S. strategic position is eroding so quickly that even sharing the region with China isn’t really a valid option any longer, argues Hugh White, a professor at the Australian National University in Canberra. America’s allies in Southeast Asia and Australia say they don’t want to choose between the U.S. and China, but underneath those platitudes, nobody in the region wants to make an enemy of Beijing. All the more so because officials increasingly doubt the U.S. will be there in the end, according to White.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-03/what-happens-when-china-eclipses-the-u-s-in-asia

    Asia is the future. The West is the past. Moving on…

  9. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 7:41 pm 

    Madkat

    China isn’t going to pass the US..We are going to run out of oil soon and china is the worlds largest importer! So they will be fucked the most! LOL We are headed to a global collapse with China included!

  10. Davy on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 8:05 pm 

    “Carmot Capital: “The Next Crisis Won’t Be A Flash Crash; It Will Be A Flash Flood”
    https://tinyurl.com/y8y2dsv4

    “Let us start by posing some simple questions about potential catalysts. We believe that the risks in China are far greater than investors may realize. China’s banking system (total, including shadow) is a $40 trillion asset monster on top of a $2 trillion of equity in a $11 trillion economy and the level of non-performing loans in this asset base is extraordinarily high. Naturally, a question comes up, “Who will be the four horsemen of the Chinese financial apocalypse?” Who will be the AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman, and Countrywide of the next crash? The top candidates so far are Anbang, HNA, China Evergrande, and Dalian Wanda. These conglomerates are overloaded with bad debt and went on an acquisition binge in an attempt to escape from China with whatever assets they could. But now the government is cracking down on conglomerates’ acquisition sprees, creating the need for liquidity at whatever cost. There are enough rumors which indicate that big banks, such as HSBC and BofA, are explicitly stopping their lending business with HNA. Additionally, an HNA subsidiary is selling 1-year USD-denominated notes at a 9% rate. Any of these companies going under would be the Bear Stearns moment of the GFC II.”

    “Blockchain technology came to the rescue allowing Chinese investors to push billions of dollars through the cryptographically verified ledger. In our view, the cryptocurrency rush (BTC, LTC, Ripple, ETH) is an indication of the need for companies to “borrow mainland, hide offshore” and the exceptional need for ordinary investors to expatriate financially. It feels as if mainland investors are being pushed into cryptocurrencies on purpose. Blockchain exists as long as most nodes communicate with each other. How hard would it be to creatively apply The Great Firewall to temporarily disrupt the synchronization process on the mainland nodes to create panic and ‘de-anonymize’ or punish participants? The Indian demonetization scheme of 2016 is infinitely cruder in comparison. On January 2, 2018 the news about China’s desire to regulate mainland cryptocurrency miners was published. A coincidence? Not likely. We are no Sinologists, but one of us has lived in a communist country and this feels eerily similar to the undertones in the news flow in Soviet Russia. China’s President Xi has significantly strengthened his positions at the party during the last congress. Some say he has now become the next Great Leader. With so many problems objectively facing the Chinese political and economic system, the leadership may rely on the tried and tested Communist method—the Great Purge. As an eastern philosopher might have said, “When the ants that built the great Red house turned into termites, it’s time to cleanse the system.” Xi has at least five years to right his ship.”

  11. GregT on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 9:03 pm 

    “Carmot Capital: “The Next Crisis Won’t Be A Flash Crash; It Will Be A Flash Flood”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-04/carmot-capital-next-crisis-wont-be-flash-crash-it-will-be-flash-flood

    “Note that China might not necessarily be the culprit that sets things rolling. This straight flush draw can also be completed with a nine of spades. We don’t know which player has it or when she chooses to play it. We have some thoughts about who on the economic and geopolitical map could hold this card, but we are sure we would be fooled again. After all, these unknowns are in fact, unknown.”

  12. GregT on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 10:26 pm 

    Who Has the World’s No. 1 Economy? Not the U.S.

    “By the most measures, China has passed the U.S. and is pulling away.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-18/who-has-the-world-s-no-1-economy-not-the-u-s

  13. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 10:35 pm 

    Greg

    China is the worlds largest oil importer! When the oil supply shortages hit they are going to be fucked the most!

  14. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 10:38 pm 

    If you’re pessimistic about the state of world today, Bill Gates and Harvard psychology professor Steven Pinker have a message for you: “This bleak assessment of the state of the world is wrong. And not just a little wrong–wrong wrong, flat-earth wrong, couldn’t-be-more-wrong.”

    http://megacancer.com/2018/02/04/gates-and-pinker-things-are-getting-better/

  15. GregT on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 10:53 pm 

    “China is heavily investing in renewable energy sources, and became the largest renewable energy investment market in the past years, when the largest funding volumes were devoted to projects within the wind and solar energy industries.”

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/221765/chenese-oil-imports-by-country/

  16. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 11:09 pm 

    Greg

    Solar and wind are scams! Just look what happened with China’s solar highway! It lasted five days and was supposed to last 20 years. lol!

  17. MASTERMIND on Sun, 4th Feb 2018 11:51 pm 

    Deja vu? It’s looking like 1987 again for the US economy

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/04/is-this-the-1987-us-economy-or-just-deja-vu

  18. Cloggie on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:15 am 

    Solar and wind are scams! Just look what happened with China’s solar highway! It lasted five days and was supposed to last 20 years. lol!

    Because these panels were stolen, you fool.

    https://news.vattenfall.com/en/article/2017-record-year-wind-germany-and-denmark

    Renewable energy works, even if you don’t have hydro-power like in Canada, Norway and Sweden:

    2017 renewable electricity

    Denmark: 43% (wind alone)
    Germany: 38% (wind 20%)

    These numbers will only increase over the coming years.

    These numbers make a mockery of millimind’s idea that “renewable energy are a scam”. They are definitely not. But you do need a smart population that supports the efforts of their governments.

    In China renewable energy is also supported, it is just that additionally China aspires to greatly increase its per capita wealth level and to somehow approach western levels. That ambition obliges them to additionally install new fossil fuel power stations.

    Europe is in a luxury position in the wealth level it already has and can concentrate on replacement rather than expansion. Europe is the only political entity that passed peak oil (demand) in the seventies and managed to bring down CO2-levels.

  19. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 1:55 am 

    Tesla Model 3 Teardown By Engineering Firm Reveals Quality Flaws Like ‘A Kia In The ’90s’
    https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-teardown-by-engineering-firm-reveals-qual-1822678045

  20. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 2:02 am 

    Clogg

    Solar and wind are scams!

    UC Davis Study: It Will Take 131 Years to Replace Oil with Alternatives (Malyshkina, 2010)
    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es100730q

    University of Chicago Study: predicts world economy unlikely to stop relying on fossil fuels (Covert, 2016)
    https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.30.1.117

    Solar and Wind produced less than one percent of total world energy in 2016 – IEA WEO 2017
    https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld2017.pdf

    Fossil Fuel Share of Global Energy since 1990 – BP 2017
    https://imgur.com/k7VecMq

  21. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 2:10 am 

    Clogg

    And Denmark and German pay the highest electric prices in the entire world for that small percentage! LOL And Germany lost a BMw factory to the USA because of those high rates! And almost had a blackout! So keep the solar and wind coming! We could use more of your factories offshoring to us! LOL Dumbass! Talk about counter productive!

  22. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 2:11 am 

    Clogg

    And Germany damaged on their nuclear plants thanks to wind power…Oops! you didnt include that little fact in your numbers! LOL Like I said total scams for idiots!

  23. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 4:16 am 

    “Europe is in a luxury position in the wealth level it already has and can concentrate on replacement rather than expansion. Europe is the only political entity that passed peak oil (demand) in the seventies and managed to bring down CO2-levels.”

    By offshoring and economic reshaping more into services. This is typical of all major economic powers nothing special about Europe.

  24. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 4:17 am 

    “https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-18/who-has-the-world-s-no-1-economy-not-the-u-s”

    greggie, resorting to using Bloomberg as a reference after all the bad things you have said about them. LOL

  25. Mad Kat on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 4:46 am 

    In other news:

    “China’s biggest Philippine project will be this massive smart city in Manila Bay”

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1989162

    “UAA Kinming, a consortium of Filipino-Chinese developers, will begin this year an extensive reclamation project that will give rise to a utopian mixed-use development off the coast of Manila. Master-planned to be the Philippine capital’s most progressive integrated central business district, the New Manila Bay – City of Pearl will take up 407 hectares of reclaimed land and connect directly to Roxas Boulevard, a major thoroughfare in the Philippines.

    Reclamation works will take four years and begin in August, with an eye toward building the first residential tower in seven years, revealed Nicholas Ho, deputy managing director of Ho & Partners Architects, the Hong Kong-based lead designer of the project. ” Movin’ on up!

  26. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 4:55 am 

    “New Manila Bay”
    Sounds like another empty investment the Chinese have been making lately to get their capital out of China before the day of reckoning comes.

    “is an indication of the need for companies to “borrow mainland, hide offshore” and the exceptional need for ordinary investors to expatriate financially.”
    https://tinyurl.com/y8y2dsv4

  27. Norman Pagett on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 6:09 am 

    our elected or unelected rulers function in the same way as we mortals

    we navigate the future through history.

    we do that because we don’t know what else to do—therefore we are promised ”infinite growth” for no better reason than there has always been growth.

    and we vote for those promises because we have nothing else to vote for—in other words we vote for prosperity

  28. onlooker on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 8:07 am 

    As money has lost any connection to real physical assets and their worth, it no longer serves a useful function and is simply a source of obfuscation now

  29. MrBill44 on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 9:10 am 

    Mad Kat, my hats off to you in the respect you actually “walked the walk”, relocating to the P’s. Definitely took kahunas.

    I try to surf into this site to follow dialog of four or five of the regular posters, even though they each have greatly conflicting viewpoints. Next time I’m in Asia, if I make to the P’s I’ll buy you a cup.

    Hell, next time I’m in Hermann, Missouri for certian ethnic festivals in May and in October, I will buy a beverage for Davy as well!

  30. Jef on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 9:31 am 

    The world has spent the last 10 years attempting to separate money from the real/resource economy. Everyone believed the Tech and finance industries would take over for an economy based on resource extraction, production, distribution, and disposal. All that it accomplished was a transference and concentration of wealth into the hands of a few but that wealth just gives that few a greater claim on dwindling resources taking them away from someone else.

    Bottom line it is no longer ok to be rich.

  31. Darrell Cloud on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 9:55 am 

    The petro dollar and the Federal Reserve notes are both political constructs. The Federal Reserve was an ingenious contrivance that allowed central bankers to construct an exponential money supply with an accounting gimmick. This chicanery financed imperialism, never ending wars and the exponential growth of dependent populations and government. All fiat money systems collapse. The Federal Reserve note has lost 97% of its value in its hundred year run.

    The petro dollar captured Saudi oil with Federal Reserve notes. It forced the world into selling real products to the United States for conjured money so that the world could in turn use those Federal Reserve notes to buy oil. Saudi Arabia is in decline as is the rest of OPEC. The resulting chaos is destabilizing the petro dollar arrangement. The American occupation of Western Europe and the Pacific will end when the dollar collapses. That collapse may be underway as we speak.

  32. Sissyfuss on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 10:23 am 

    What I learned from this article was that Hubbert not only understood peak oil but LTG as well. He layed out its trajectory quite succinctly and gave cogent responses to what we should be doing other than promoting growth above all else. A pity we didn’t listen. A pity that has grown into a monster.

  33. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 10:37 am 

    Thanks mr bill, I moved out of Hermann, MO back in 2013. I am now in The Missouri Ozarks doing permaculture cattle and goats using rotational grazing management. I am also prepping the farm for hard times that are likely on the way at some point. Where abouts are you in this crazy world?

  34. GregT on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 10:42 am 

    “greggie, resorting to using Bloomberg as a reference after all the bad things you have said about them.”

    Bloomborg is the epitome of US MSM propaganda. If they’re reporting that China has surpassed the U.S., you can bet they’re downplaying the full reality of the situation.

  35. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 10:50 am 

    Davy

    You turned into a permie? LOL Just face dude when society collapses you are fucked just like everyone else! your farm will be the easy target all the goons head for! You are outnumbered by a billion to one!

  36. GregT on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:00 am 

    “Where abouts are you in this crazy world?”

    Be careful of loaded questions from the board polarizer mr bill. He has a self proclaimed agenda of attacking others based entirely on their nationalities.

  37. MrBill44 on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:14 am 

    Hi Davy, I recently relocated to the Northern Colorado front range from Nebraska. Some of my kids and my grandkids farm there.My fam also has some land in OK and near Cole Camp, MO.

    I prepare as well, choosing mainly rural areas to reside.

    Hats off to you as well for preparing best you can for the future as you see it.

    Greetings GregT. Davy and I have disagreed a time or two but no worries there.

  38. deadly on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:16 am 

    The Dow Jones Industrials are off by ~895 points in two days.

    The old liquidity trap.

    It will take less than thirty days to go to zero. lol

    In a short enough timeline, everything can go to zero.

    A 40 to 50 percent correction is predicted.

    You won’t have as much money, but it will be worth more!

    1 Troy ounce of gold was worth 20 dollars in 1910. In 2018, you can buy an ounce of Au for 1335 USD , the spot price today.

    If you multiply 1335 times 0.0149812734, it will equal 20.

    The value of one US dollar today? It will be 0.0149812734 times 1, or one dollar equals about 1.5 cents in 2018 dollars.

    Not one railroad is on the Dow Jones Index of 30 industrials.

    Union Pacific is at 129 today, down from the 52 week high of 143.

    Merck and Pfizer are components, along with United Health. Go figure.

    0.0149812734 times 25,442 (the Dow today) equals 381.168539326.

    The value of the Dow in 1910 money will be close to the ‘value’ of the Dow in 1929 before the crash.

    It might be déjà vu all over again.

    Even if it has 23,500 points to go, it still can happen.

    If it happened in 1929, it can happen in 2018 or some other time in the future.

    It will be permanent change. If it all happens, it will be bad.

    It would be a fall from grace into the abyss.

    We can pray we won’t go to hell, but it is going to happen no matter how hard you pray. See you there.

  39. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:16 am 

    Double standard greggie at his best using Bloomberg as he bashes it. Binary greggie thinks bigger is always better.

  40. MrBill44 on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:17 am 

    Davy, I meant some of my kids and grandkids still farm in central Nebraska. It’s not a prep type of operation there, more big Ag.

  41. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:21 am 

    Mr bill, great country out there on the front range. One of my best friends is a Dutch guy living in Trinidad, CO. I have been to Cole Camp several times. Glad you can be here. Don’t mind greggie he hates Americans.

  42. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:26 am 

    Mm, I enjoy prepping. Are you telling me I shouldn’t do what I enjoy? My prepping may or may not help me but it has been a wonderful lifestyle. I have learned many new things.

  43. GregT on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 11:52 am 

    “Don’t mind greggie he hates Americans.”

    Both of my wife’s parents were Americans, and I still have plenty of family members who live in the US, as well as many friends.

    With a couple of exceptions, all great people. You, on the other hand……..

  44. Cloggie on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:13 pm 

    And Denmark and German pay the highest electric prices in the entire world for that small percentage! LOL And Germany lost a BMw factory to the USA because of those high rates! And almost had a blackout! So keep the solar and wind coming! We could use more of your factories offshoring to us! LOL Dumbass! Talk about counter productive!

    Millimind, I’ll explain it to the forum village idiot and kindergarten drop-out once again, this time slowly…

    The reason why Denmark and Germany have higher electricity bills than for instance the US, has everything to do with taxation. Where you let 50 million or so rot under bridges or in tent cities and live on food stamps, in Europe we have a guaranteed minimum. It’s called a social-market economy. That costs money, to be collected via taxes. Among others on energy. Capice?

    Renenewable energy was expensive two decades ago, right now it is competitive with fossil fuel, witnessing that in Europe 90% new power generation capacity is meanwhile renewable.

    Denmark and Germany have the enormous advantage that they will own the industries of the future (Vestas, Ørsted/DONG, Siemens) who no doubt will grow out to become as big as ESSO and Texaco are/once were.

    Germany is the largest exporter in the world, the US in contrast the largest deficit importer. No higher electricity price can stop them.

    You in contrast must pray that the world will continue to accept your dollar free lunch, because if they don’t (and they are working on it), the US will fall below the level of the likes of Romania. Wonder what that will do to the social stability of the US.

  45. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:20 pm 

    Clogg

    Its not taxation! Their energy prices didn’t sky rocket until solar and wind came along! Look it up!

  46. MASTERMIND on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:23 pm 

    Clogg

    I hope Europe keeps wasting tax payers dollars on solar and wind! Keep those BMW factories coming to America! LOL Talk about counter productive! 40 years solar and wind have been around and last year produced less than 1 percent of total world energy-IEA…..What a scam! lol

  47. GregT on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:23 pm 

    “Double standard greggie at his best using Bloomberg as he bashes it.”

    Let’s try this again, shall we.

    Bloomborg is the epitome of US MSM propaganda. If they’re reporting that China has surpassed the U.S., you can bet they’re downplaying the full reality of the situation.

  48. Cloggie on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:30 pm 

    Its not taxation! Their energy prices didn’t sky rocket until solar and wind came along! Look it up!

    Are you sure you want me to look it up? Ok then:

    https://www.verivox.de/themen/strompreiszusammensetzung/

    Den größten Anteil bilden Steuern und Abgaben mit insgesamt 56,4 Prozent.

    56.5% taxation of electricity in Germany. Only 7.2% is offshore tariff. As always you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. High energy prices are good for efficiency. If you give energy away for free, they will only drive SUVs.

    Here a list of how much energy diverse nations need to make a million buck:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/energy-efficiency-country-ranking/

    ton/million $

    Italy 123
    Denmark 133
    Germany 164
    China 213
    USA 222
    Russia 519

    See, Europeans are the most energy efficient.

    Meanwhile in Italy, Berlusconi (81) and a decade the senior of Trump, has announced that if he will be reelected, he will deport 600,000 illegals.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5353441/Berlusconi-deport-600K-illegal-migrants-elected.html

    Berlusconi called illegal immigrants a “social time bomb”, which is what they are. I hope he gets reelected.

  49. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:33 pm 

    Who cares greggie if you have American relations so does silly billy. Be honest greggie, you hate Americans. This has been proven for 5 years now. You enable billy’s message of hatred. You guys are a gang who stalk and prick Americans. Why is it so hard to be a honest person?

  50. Davy on Mon, 5th Feb 2018 12:37 pm 

    Let’s try this again greggie, you are a double standard kind of guy. You can’t use sources as needed per your agenda then criticize them as flawed when someone else uses them. Your boyfriend billy does the same thing. More moral rot from the king of slime.

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