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How will we travel the world in 2050?

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If the aviation industry was a country, it would rank among the world’s top ten emitters of carbon dioxide (CO₂). Aviation emissions have risen by 70% since 2005 and as demand increases in rich and poorer countries, they’re forecast to increase by between 300% and 700% by 2050.

Arresting this incline will be the first step towards a sustainable system of international travel – but how could it be done? A frequent flyer tax would be relatively easy to implement but it could mean the richest can still afford to fly while the poorest are priced out.

Most plane passengers are already relatively wealthy. Only 18% of the world’s population have ever flown and in any given year, an elite 3% of the world flies. That’s about 230m people, but flights carried four billion passengers in 2017. So the average flyer takes eight return flights and aeroplanes rack up seven trillion air miles each year.

Rationing might be a fairer and more effective alternative.

Flight rationing

Every person could be allocated a maximum number of “flight kilometres” each year. This allowance would increase the longer a person abstained from flying. The first year allocation would be 500km, then the following year it would be 1,000km and would double every year. It would take seven years to accumulate enough to fly from the UK to Australia and back.

Buying a ticket for a flight of any distance would reset the allocation rate to year one, but the kilometres saved in a “flight bank” could still be used. Anyone not travelling could exchange their flight kilometres for money, but anyone exceeding their ration could be fined or banned from flying for some time.

Passports could be linked to a credit system which would prevent people from flying if they had exceeded their allowance. Pressmaster/Shutterstock

Expanded and improved high-speed rail lines could also replace many flights. These journeys could be as fast as aeroplanes in some instances and emit 90% less CO₂. Solar-powered train journeys are already a reality in Australia. The Byron Bay Company uses solar panels on trains and platforms to power onboard batteries and exported 60,000kWh to the grid last year.

Coupling low-carbon train travel with flight rationing would limit emissions in the short term, but people are accustomed to travelling half the world in a matter of hours, often at relatively low cost. The demand won’t go away, so what could replace carbon-intensive air travel?

Electric aeroplanes

Most electric plane designs are grounded on the drawing board, but there are some flight-ready aircraft. The world’s first all-electric commercial airliner was unveiled in Paris in June 2019. The craft is called Alice and it carries nine passengers for up to 650 miles (1,040km) at 10,000ft (3,000 metres) at 276mph (440km/h) on a single charged battery. It’s expected to enter service in 2022.

The fossil fuel costs of small aircraft are about US$400 per 100 miles. For Alice, the costs are projected to be as little as US$8 for the same distance, and if the electricity is from renewable energy – perhaps generated by solar panels at the airport – then the plane could be zero-carbon.

The Alice Electric Aircraft by Israeli aeronautic company Eviation is unveiled at the International Paris Air Show, June 18 2019. EPA-EFE/IAN LANGSDON

How much energy each battery can store is increasing rapidly. But there are also strategies which can make electric planes more efficient. Capacitors are lightweight batteries that can hold a huge charge but only for short periods. They could be used for takeoff – the largest energy requirement of a flight – then more traditional batteries could power the majority of the flight.

Innovation could deliver mass electric flight in the next few decades, but an alternative to fossil fuelled flight exists right now.

Bring back the zeppelin?

For as long as humans have taken to the skies we’ve had a low carbon alternative to burning vast amounts of fossil fuels to keep us up there – balloons. The Hindenburg disaster may have condemned the industry to relative obscurity for almost a century, but it has never really gone away.

The balloons of most modern airships are filled with helium rather than the explosive hydrogen used in the Hindenburg. Concentrated helium is lighter than air and when divided into gas sacks, the vessel can stay aloft if any are breached while propellers powered by flexible solar panels can help navigation.

Airships travel slowly, but they could allow holidaymakers a beautiful view. Iurii/Shutterstock

Extracting enough helium fuel will be energy-intensive and there’s a looming global shortage. Luckily, advances made since the Hindenburg now allow airships to fly on cylinders packed with hydrogen jet fuel, which is cheaper, lighter, and relatively abundant.

Using hydrogen for fuel has become a lot safer since the 1930s – so much so that it’s now being considered for use in the home. Unlike jet aircraft, once airships are aloft they don’t need lots of energy to keep them there. At that point, the energy costs become comparable with rail travel.

Airships won’t get passengers to their destinations very fast – the Hindenburg set the current record for a transatlantic crossing at just under 44 hours – but they do allow time to enjoy stunning vistas. Think of them instead as air cruises. In the romantic era of early commercial flight, airships were expected to become “flying hotels” that could accommodate dining rooms and ballroom dances.

Orbital rings

There’s one more option, but you might struggle to believe it’s possible within the next thirty years. Still, the materials needed to build it already exist. An orbital ring is a strong steel cable in orbit just above the atmosphere – 80km above Earth. It rotates, creating forces which try to make the ring fly apart into space, while gravity tries to pull it down to Earth.

If the ring is spun at the correct speed, the two forces balance one another, allowing it to rotate seemingly weightlessly. A “cuff” can be built around the cable which would hold itself in place, unmoving, by magnetic repulsion. The structure would be connected to the ground by cables, with an elevator giving access to the ring in less than an hour.

Once installed, the orbital ring could transport people across the world in under an hour. 3000ad/Shutterstock

Two Maglev train tracks – which use magnets to move trains along without friction – on the underside of the ring and another on the outside could transport passengers at incredible speeds, reaching the other side of the world in 45 minutes.

If these options sound unrealistic, then remember that our current course of expanding carbon-intensive air travel is unrealistic for avoiding catastrophic climate change. Bold ideas are one thing, we need radical action to revolutionise how we travel the world.

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82 Comments on "How will we travel the world in 2050?"

  1. Sissyfuss on Wed, 14th Aug 2019 8:50 pm 

    “If these options sound unrealistic.” Well, duh.

  2. Duncan Idaho on Wed, 14th Aug 2019 9:06 pm 

    The yield on the 30-year Treasury bond dropped to a record low in the morning of Asian trading hours on Thursday.

    We shall see.
    Maybe the 6 times bankrupt TV host is putting this in the ditch?

  3. DerHundistLos on Wed, 14th Aug 2019 9:30 pm 

    Great ideas that will never happen in the US.

    Republican philosophy is I want my personal car or jet and I will do whatever the fuck I want, whenever I want and wherever I want. Take your faggoty trains and hot air balloons and shove them up some liberals ass.

    Bottom line: I do what I want, when I want and nobody is gonna tell me otherwise.

  4. makati1 on Wed, 14th Aug 2019 10:02 pm 

    WOW! And I thought science fiction was only in books and magazines!

    2050, IF humans survive that long, will be back to sailing vessels to travel to distant lands or maybe not even that. Zeppelins? Only for the super rich which will NOT be you. Travel will not be possible for 99.999% of humanity unless it is by foot.

    What happens when the next solar storm takes out all of the electronics, including frying the satellites and all moving vehicles that have computer chip brains? A big one is well overdue. Your car will become a statue in your driveway or a permanent piece of the landscape if you are on the road when it happens. Just hope you are not in an airplane at 40,000 feet… LOL

    I would like to know what these techiholics are drinking…

  5. Cloggie on Wed, 14th Aug 2019 11:36 pm 

    “How will we travel the world in 2050?”

    As Global Homo:

    https://www.infowars.com/volkswagen-commercial-banned-in-uk-because-it-shows-woman-caring-for-a-baby/

    “VOLKSWAGEN COMMERCIAL BANNED IN UK BECAUSE IT SHOWS WOMAN CARING FOR A BABY”

    We’re outta here.
    It was nice knowing you all.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/08/13/salvini-my-only-purpose-is-to-save-europe/

  6. Anonymouse on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 12:05 am 

    “but it could mean the richest can still afford to fly while the poorest are priced out.”

    Maybe the writer could explain why the ‘poor’ need to fly at all? Not dumping on the poor here, but flying could only with a few exceptions be considered a ‘need’, specifically for the poor. If you are poor, you likely have far more pressing concerns than getting a seat sale so you can go visit Disneyworld.

    A great deal of the emissions this article claims it so worried about, are rising because governments have spent decades subsidizing casual and discretionary air-travel to the point where a lot of people who ordinarily would never fly, or very seldom, do so a lot more than would otherwise be the case. The same susbsidies for casual air-travel, have also had the effect of pretty much destroying far more efficient alternatives, ie trains and passenger ships, as viable alternatives.

    So what if only the ‘rich’ can afford to fly? If that is the case, emissions will drop dramatically on their own as the pool of ‘rich’ people is somewhat limited.

    A little less thean 1/5 of the world flies on a given year, but wow, do they ever generate a crap ton of pollution doing it. End subsidies for mass discretionary air travel, anything else is a waste of time and energy. ‘Rationing’ air travel wont do much if the idea is to keep the current system in place now, more or less intact.

    Buy hey, its a dumb article, what else can one say? Electric planes and orbital rings. Okayyy….

  7. Antius on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:37 am 

    Electric aeroplanes are unlikely to be affordable with currently foreseeable technology. Batteries have insufficient energy density for anything beyond short internal flights. And the time required to recharge negates any benefits of short tern around – a serious economic impediment.

    The biggest problem with using Zeppelins for passenger air travel is low speed – we are talking 100mph max; about 1/5th the speed of a 747. For flights up to 3000km that might be workable, but a flight across the Atlantic for example, would take two days. You then have to provide sleeping accommodation, washing and dining facilities, etc. That will absolutely slaughter the weight margins in a way that will push costs beyond affordability for most people.

    Another problem that most people writing about this tend to gloss over, is that helium will not be a practical lifting gas if airship travel scales up to mass market levels. A large rigid airship the size of the Hindenburg would need 250,000 cubic metres of lifting gas. This would need to be periodically topped up as helium escapes from envelopes. There is no possibility of global helium reserves stretching to a large global fleet of Zeppelins.

    On the plus side, zeppelins could use gaseous methane as fuel and would be about as energy efficient as rail. So in an energy starved world, they do have an advantage.

  8. forbin on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 3:49 am 

    how will we travel ?

    by Shanks’s pony I’ll bet, well for the proles that is.

  9. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 6:13 am 

    Well, as usual with these articles it is all about technology. There is not much on behavior except maybe a carbon voucher of sorts. Vouchers are just like Band-Aids that come off in the water of reality. They work a little but the real healing process comes from being careful with the wound. The tech ideas are nothing new. It is more like many of these examples mentioned will likely become a niche player. There is nothing affordable on the horizon to replace mass travel. All options suffer the same problems as all other tech that try to replace fossil fuels and that is net energy, on demand power, and storage issues. Nothing new with all this tech and with all the usual FAKE Green ideas of how we will keep the status quo going. Same FAKE Green wild forecasts of the situation in 2050. Same shit and no reality testing of actual situation of the boundary to human activity. We are in the neighborhood of peak everything but are in continued denial of this reality. You know limits are around 2050 or 2100 not in a few years for technophiles.

    What about behavior? Just say no. My wife is in Italy now seeing her mom. I stayed home. She is a little disappointed in me because I didn’t go. I hate travel anymore. I don’ like leaving the farm because so much I do needs daily attention. You can’t find good help and it is expensive to have someone watch the place. Jet lag sucks and going somewhere interferes with my routine that I feel makes me stronger and Greener. That is the selfish side of why I have said no to travel. It is easier for me than others and I acknowledge this. My REAL Green side says no because I am pursing localization in a relative way. I have family pressures that force me to travel or I would rarely fly. So I say no when I can to a point then I give in. To be fair to the young I have seen the world so the young should be given a chance at education travel but this should be structured to be Greener. Too many young just do joyrides today instead of being educated. A trip to China to learn a skill is something. I trip to backpack around not so much. One way to travel is VR with google earth. I tried that the other day on the kids VR and it was amazing. Yea like the kids need all these electronics but that is another topic.

    Instead of a vacation every year go every 3rd year. If you are one of these FAKE Green academics or scientific activists then see the writing on the wall that all those trips to FAKE Green meetings are a waste of time. You are talking about the same things over and over with the same results. Sometimes that is called insanity. We know what works and what doesn’t already. What works best is lower consumption. These FAKE Greens think it is ok to do all this travel but it isn’t. They could do the every 3rd year travel effort to address lower consumption. To be fair these FAKE Greens are better than the rich elite who travel as a way of life on private jets. Yea, JuanP my family has one and they know my opinion of it. The solution to this issue is stop trying to make the status quo work by new ways and just adapt the status quo. There are many that represent vital travel people. There are many that have skills that translate into more efficiency and travel leverages this. Some travel actually makes life more sustainable and resilient. These people need to be recognized as high value skilled people that should fly.

    There is the systematic side of adapting travel. We could realize a lot of savings to our sustainability and resilience ledger but the consequences are unemployment and lower economic activity caused by reducing the travel and leisure industry. Going into an era of decline we have to be very careful about the pace of economic abandonment of degrowth both forced by circumstances and also managed behavior. Our system is a high performance and complicated machine in a complex human ecosystem. Bright ideas often don’t result in real life benefits.

    Degrowth is coming by forces of nature and hopefully our own realization that tech alone cannot make us sustainable. Degrowth also is taking us into a new paradigm that man has not been to in recent history. This means changes are ahead that we won’t understand fully by our status quo thinking. It is obvious the 300% to 700% forecast in the article is bogus. I see a meaningful decline coming soon how steep that may be is not well know because a lot depends on how decline affects globalism systematically. How poor will we become once decline affects all aspects of life? Population will continue to grow even if people start dying more because of that growth. That is the nature of population and demographics. Economics is a little different because of human nature. What we need to do is address the human behavior side of the equation going forward. Instead FAKE Greens will tell us all about electric flight and Zeppelins. Ye Ha sounds like fun on paper. The reality is it is mostly pain and sacrifice ahead.

  10. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 7:02 am 

    “An eVTOL Aircraft That Can Act As A Conventional Electric Airplane”
    https://tinyurl.com/y4ondzmh clean technica

  11. Anonymouse on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 8:11 am 

    ROFL, your ‘wife’ is AWLAYS in ‘Italy’ exceptionalturd. I dont think any of us can remember a time when your fantasy wife, was actually on-location with you on your fantasy farm in butt-plug missiouri. You know, enjoying your make-beleive marriage together on the dream farm (cough). Have you ever considered a mail-order goat there dumbass? A lot of them are trying to escape medieval industrial CAFO farms in totalitarian corporate hell-wholes, like the united snakes. I bet even your horror-story ‘farm’ would look very attractive to a 3rd world goat living on a 3rd world CAFO in say, Mississippi. or Texas. At least until the goat qualified for uS citizenship, then she’d drop your sorry ass like a hot potato.

    Ask cloggokike, he could probably find you a nice jew mail-order goat website so you could keep telling us all about the ‘wife’. The wife no here ever asked about or cared existed, but you keep on mentioning anyhow as if mattered.

  12. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 8:24 am 

    “ROFL, your ‘wife’ is AWLAYS in ‘Italy’ exceptionalturd.”
    Ah, tell me more annoy BTW tell us about your failed annoymouse life. You don’t talk about your life because you are a liar and a failure otherwise you would have something to say about who you are.

    “ I dont think any of us can remember a time when your fantasy wife, was actually on-location with you on your fantasy farm in butt-plug missiouri.”
    Well if what I talk about is a fantasy how do you know I live in Missouri?

    “You know, enjoying your make-beleive marriage together on the dream farm (cough). “
    Are you jealous because you are a millennial faggot who like to masturbate? PS learn how to spell believe stupid.

    “Have you ever considered a mail-order goat there dumbass?”
    Explain that one stupid. OH, mail order bride. Sounds like a little giveaway on what you are doing. Are the women smelly in Kanada so you are checking out mail order ones from Ukraine?

    “ A lot of them are trying to escape medieval industrial CAFO farms in totalitarian corporate hell-wholes, like the united snakes.”
    Got to love annoy’s vocabulary. He has a very lively anti-American vocabulary. Too bad he failed as a struggling engineer (his words).

    “ I bet even your horror-story ‘farm’ would look very attractive to a 3rd world goat living on a 3rd world CAFO in say, Mississippi. or Texas.”
    Annoy, explain horror story. I am just in need of some fun to see how colorful your stalking ad-hom trolling is today. You really are a sick fuck. OH, BTW where is the other sick fuck Juanpee. He must be really depressed today. It is amazing how if he doesn’t cause forum hate and discontent you chime in because you know you can’t stand a day without it. You really are a wonderful of the worst Kanada has to offer the world.

    Ask cloggokike,
    Spare me stupid, cloggo is not a Jew and your hyping that he is just makes you look like a stupid example of clever and funny. No wonder you are a failed engineer.

  13. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:02 am 

    Oops, sorry for losing my shit again everyone. Annoymouse really hurt my widdle feelings bad this time.

  14. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:13 am 

    there juanpee showed up.
    Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:02 am

    I was worried about you Juanpee. I thought you may have mouthed a gun or something. Are you really really depressed lately and this is why you have lightened up on the stalking ID theft and insane socks?

  15. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:33 am 

    More about that gray man survival strategy I was talkin about yesterday:

    #5 – DON’T BROADCAST TO THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE PREPARED
    One of the lessons that history has taught us when looking at areas that have broken out into civil war or had their government fail is that those that everybody knows has supplies are targets. If you are out there in the local community telling every person you come across that you are stockpiling supplies, you will be their first stop if SHTF.

    #6 – DEVELOP STRATEGIC AVOIDANCE OF CONFRONTATION
    There is no better way to be remembered as being odd or out of place than having a confrontation with someone. Confrontations should be avoided as much as possible. It is better to back down from a confrontation that can be avoided than to engage and give up your cover. Entering into confrontations can be detrimental to the safety and security of your whole team or family. Keep a calm, level headed demeanor and only defend yourself if unavoidable. The worst thing to do is to walk around like you are some sort of “badass”. Even if you are it does you no good to boast about it as it will only lead you to becoming a more likely target

  16. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:49 am 

    God ideas Davy. Keep them coming. I am kind of depressed lately so I am going to visit this lame extremist infested forum less but
    Keep them coming Amigo.

  17. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:55 am 

    Thanks Juan. Your opinion means everything to me.

  18. GregT on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 10:58 am 

    Aye friends I am checking in after a year of some private time. How is the forum doing? I see my friend Davy is still here. Sarc sarc

  19. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 11:07 am 

    Welcome back GregT! How’s everything going up there in Canada? I really missed you, old friend.

  20. GregT on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 11:23 am 

    Well Davy, let me tell you, things are fantastic up here in Canada. No complaints at all. How’s things going down there in America? Been hearing some awfully disturbing news lately.

  21. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 12:09 pm 

    Life sucks here in Miami Beach Greg. I hope to get out of here soon I hate this place and the people.

  22. GregT on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 12:35 pm 

    Hi JuanP. We are hearing media reports that America is on the brink of civil war. What are your feelings about that?

  23. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:04 pm 

    Yea, I have been following cloggie daily. Looks like the place will blow soon. Cloggie says the Europeans have a new army they will send over to pick up the pieces. I have a sail boat ready to get me out of Miami. This could happen any day now that Epstein is dead. Clintons are planning a CW2 and will install Chelsie as a figurehead POTUS.

  24. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:22 pm 

    Greggie, have you noticed how juanPee has made
    iD theft routine now? He started this bad behavior right around the time you left. BTW, how did the therapy go?

  25. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:31 pm 

    Don’t be stupid juanpee. Epstein and the Clintons have nothing to do with it, and nobody will be coming over to pick up the pieces. Cloggie doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

  26. GregT on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:44 pm 

    Davy, part of the reason I left was the ID theft and socks. In the old days everybody was honest about identities. What I am seeing now is a joke.

  27. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:46 pm 

    Don’t look at me as the perpetrator. I only check in once every King Tide. This is all Davy’s doings.

  28. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 1:50 pm 

    Greggie, juanPee is a liar and a coward. He is destroying this forum with his cyber stalking and ID theft. Most of the quality people are gone. Juanpee just hijacked the forum for his own sick pleasure. He is the lowest kind of person who lives egotistically.

  29. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 2:26 pm 

    “Greggie, juanPee is a liar and a coward. He is destroying this forum with his cyber stalking and ID theft.”

    Mob is the perp, not Juan.

    And Sum is your hobby, an innocent diversion.

    PS welcome back Greg.

  30. Davy on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 3:12 pm 

    #7 – DON’T BROADCAST TO THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE A DELUSIONAL NUTTER

    Ok, the goat already left the barn on the one. I actually broadcast all sorts of dumbass bullshit that no one believes or would care about if it wasn’t.

    #8 – DEVELOP STRATEGIC PROMOTION OF CONFRONTATION

    There is no better way to be remembered as being a prickfaced douchebag or a total and complete A-hole than having confrontations with everyone. Confrontations should be promoted as much as possible. It is better to run towards a confrontation that can be avoided than to run away and act act like a pussy. Entering into confrontations can be beneficial to the ego and vanity of (me). Keep acting like a prick-face know-it-all and everything will be fine. The best thing to do is to walk around like you are some sort of “dumbass”. Even if you are it does you no good to boast about it as it will only lead you to becoming a more likely target

    #9 USE CAPS ON THE INTERNET

    People love caps, they get their attention and make it sound like whatever I have to say is REAL GREEN, I mean REAL IMPORTANT.

    I live by #8, not sure why I would even bring up #6. That doesn’t sound like me at all. I must have been talking about someone else, or I could be confused again. Socking and stalking all day long tends to do that.

    So I am going with #8, forget I ever mentioned #6.

    Fuck nuts.

  31. Obviously the insane one on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 3:51 pm 

    Juanpee if you think your funny you are not. If you are going to be an idiot then entertain us. Your perverted low IQ humor gets old.

  32. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 3:53 pm 

    I can’t help it I have been doing this cyber stalking so long I am running out of material. I am not that smart to begin with. I am a high school drop out with a GEDumb

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  35. Troll Buster on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:33 pm 

    Vote ban the fuck nut juanpee. I wish ICE would deport the undocumented illegal fuck too.

  36. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:41 pm 

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  37. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:44 pm 

    Obviously the insane one on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 3:51 pm

  38. makati1 on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:45 pm 

    GregT, nice to have another sane person here to post real, intelligent comments. Unfortunately Davy has not attended a shoot-out gathering or we might be able to have a decent debate here.

  39. GregT on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:47 pm 

    Good to be back with you mak.

  40. JuanP on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:48 pm 

    GregT, makati1 is Davy ID theft

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  44. JuanP sock fraud on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:56 pm 

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  45. makati1 on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:58 pm 

    I am heading to the beach to get a drink. This is ridiculous.

  46. Anonymouse on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 5:58 pm 

    Mak, I am with you I can’t get a word in edgewise.

  47. makati1 on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 6:18 pm 

    The makati1 – Gregt, nice to have…is real the others are just Davy’s immature ignorance.

  48. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 6:20 pm 

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  49. makati1 on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 6:21 pm 

    BTW: I don’t go to the beach to drink, nor do I have a Russian Orange Juice before noon. I’m not a demented alcoholic druggie like Davy.

  50. More Davy ID Theft on Thu, 15th Aug 2019 6:21 pm 

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