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How big a problem is idling?

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Idling your car — at home, in a drive-thru line, at a red light — is environmentally harmful, and also largely unnecessary.

How bad is idling?

When a gasoline-powered vehicle is idling, it is in its least efficient mode. It’s doing nothing but sitting there, burning fuel and sending emissions into the atmosphere.

Natural Resources Canada says if most Canadian drivers limited idling to three minutes a day, over the course of a year, 1.4 million fewer tonnes of CO2 emissions would go into the atmosphere.

It would save money, too. For every 10 minutes of idling, the average three-litre engine vehicle loses more than a litre of fuel, according to NRCan.

It’s even worse with diesel buses. Research done at the University of Waterloo in Ontario found a diesel bus loses four to eight litres of fuel every day to idling — or up to 2,000 litres per year. Amir Khajepour, the mechanical engineering professor behind the research, said that’s the equivalent of 10,000 kilograms of greenhouse gases per bus per year.

Doesn’t my engine need to warm up in the winter?

It depends. Temperatures vary across Canada in winter, but Natural Resources Canada says even in cold weather, it’s not necessary to warm up your car for more than two to three minutes.

What are cities doing about idling?

The first city to pass an idling control bylaw was Toronto, back in 1996. It was brought in to help reduce air pollution. Now, at least 67 cities and municipalities across Canada have anti-idling bylaws. But they vary. Most of these jurisdictions limit idling to three to five minutes, but some allow five, 10, even 15 minutes. Inuvik allows 30 minutes of idling.

All of these jurisdictions exempt emergency vehicles, as well as many service or refrigerated vehicles (which need to idle to keep the cooling process working).

What else are cities doing?

Toronto also led the way in terms of banning the construction of new drive-thrus. Since its move in 2002, at least 26 Canadian municipalities have followed suit.

How are the bylaws enforced? 

In many cities, anti-idling bylaws are enforced through a complaints-based process — i.e. someone makes a complaint to the city, which issues a warning or a fine.

In 2018, the City of Toronto issued warnings to about 2,000 people, but no fines. That same year, Edmonton issued three tickets, while Vancouver issued 118.

Does stop-start technology help?

A lot of idling can’t be helped — like when you’re waiting at a red light. You might think stopping and restarting your engine uses more fuel than leaving the car running, but it doesn’t. Starting your engine uses less fuel than idling for 10 seconds.

NRCan estimates that a vehicle with stop-start technology — which automatically turns off a vehicle’s engine when it idles, and restarts when the driver lifts their foot off the brake — saves anywhere from $260 to $1,540 in fuel costs and reduces carbon emissions by 610 kg to 3,540 kg over 10 years. That’s the equivalent of taking one compact car off the road for a year. (NRCan breaks down the savings here.)

What’s being done about buses and delivery trucks?

The University of Waterloo’s Khajepour is working on a type of stop-start technology that would still allow a refrigerated truck to stay cool, or keep a city bus comfortable in all seasons. At a stop, the engine would turn off and the vehicle would draw on a battery.

“Instead of running the engine at its lowest efficiency [i.e. idling] in order to run the refrigeration system of a food delivery truck, you can charge your battery when the engine is at 40 per cent efficiency,” Khajepour said. “So when the truck stops, and the engine is off … we can use the energy that is already stored in that battery to run the refrigeration system.”

Stephanie Hogan



The Big Picture: Historical carbon emissions

Most of the talk around carbon emissions focuses on which countries are currently releasing the most greenhouse gases. In that scenario, China is first by quite a margin, accounting for nearly 25 per cent of the global total — a fact that has given many politicians, in the U.S. and Canada especially, license to downplay their countries’ own emissions. But if you take the longer view, the picture looks a little different. Between 1751 and 2017, the U.S. accounted for 25 per cent of global emissions, followed by countries that now make up the European Union.

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Is population control the answer to fixing climate change?

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Often, when discussion turns to modifying our behaviours in order to keep the planet from warming 1.5 C or 2 C above pre-industrial levels — the threshold that would result in widespread damage — one word creeps up more often than not: overpopulation.

The argument is that fewer people on Earth would mean fewer greenhouse gas emissions, thus helping avert the worst effects of climate change. But experts say population control isn’t the answer.

“Population issues certainly are an important dimension of how society … will be able to cope with this crisis over the course of this century,” said Kathleen Mogelgaard, a consultant on population dynamics and climate change and an adjunct professor at the University of Maryland.

“But it’s not a silver bullet, and it’s certainly not the main cause of climate change. And fully addressing population growth is not, on its own, going to be able to solve the climate crisis.”

For one thing, a larger population doesn’t necessarily produce more CO2 emissions, at least not on a per capita basis.

Michael Barnard, chief strategist with TFIE Strategy Inc., which specializes in energy and low-carbon solutions, points to China as an example: While the country of 1.4 billion people is the No. 1 emitter of CO2 in the world, on a per capita basis, it produces far fewer emissions than either the U.S. (the world’s second-top emitter) or Canada (the 10th).

According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, the U.S.’s CO2 emissions from fuel combustion per capita is 15 tonnes, and Canada sits at 14.9 tonnes. China? It’s at just 6.4 tonnes per capita — a trend that is starting to drop. That’s also the case for India, Barnard said.

Between India and China, “one-third of the [world’s] population already have lower per capita CO2 emissions than we do, and they’re dropping faster,” he said.

Not only that, but global birth rates are actually declining. The United Nations had previously projected that the global population would reach 11.2 billion by 2100, but recently updated that forecast to 10.9 billion.

Darrell Bricker, a fellow at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy and co-author of Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline, said a big driver of the decline in population is urbanization.

In the 1960s, roughly 33 per cent of the population lived in a city; now it’s 54 per cent. The UN projects that by 2050, that number will climb to 68 per cent. And when people move to the city, more women join the workforce and overall, people tend to have fewer children.

As a result, instead of the population continuously increasing, Bricker believes it will peak at around eight or nine billion people around mid-century and then begin to decline.

Rather than looking at population control as the biggest factor in the battle against climate change, experts say it’s about looking at better education for women, adopting cleaner energy and changing our overall consumption patterns, especially in developed countries.

“Just because we slow population growth, if we continue to use coal-fired power plants to generate electricity, or if we continue to cut down forests at the rate that we’re cutting down forests, those are going to be challenges regardless of what the population is,” said Mogelgaard.

Nicole Mortillaro

 



48 Comments on "How big a problem is idling?"

  1. GasIdle on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 10:20 am 

    “Temperatures vary across Canada in winter, but Natural Resources Canada says even in cold weather, it’s not necessary to warm up your car for more than two to three minutes.”

    Hah, yea maybe if your car is like 2015 or newer. 3 minutes wouldn’t do shit on my old beater.

  2. dave thompson on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 10:43 am 

    Idling cars and trucks is the least of the predicament humans face. There are no solutions to predicaments.

  3. Outcast_Searcher on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:37 am 

    Yeah Dave. No problems were ever solved by humanity. That’s why we all still live in caves and don’t use tools more complex than a rock.

    And BTW, hybrids now exist and are cheap enough to make them basically a no brainer over the life of the car re the fuel savings in overall MPG, for the latest generation. Prime examples: current Toyota Camry HEV and Honda Accord HEV, both of which use the technology Toyota will license to any car maker.

    The problem isn’t the inability to deal with predicaments. The problem is humanity’s unwillingness to change, or even get educated enough to recognize the science which identifies the predicaments.

    But sure, claim there “are no solutions”. Makes as much sense as the ETP theory you believe in.

  4. dave thompson on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 12:17 pm 

    Humanity faces a predicament of near term human extinction. Incremental changes in the industrial capitalism that we live under will result in a lot of people thinking that we have solutions to what humans face. Not sure what ETP theory is.

  5. makati1 on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 5:16 pm 

    Outcast, there are no solutions. Your hybrid bullshit ignores all of the input, transport, mining, etc. that goes into them, and then, where does the electric come from to power them? Answer, mostly FFs.

    Cherry picking your “facts” does not make the reality change. Hybrids are a minority fad that will disappear when the SHTF. I hope you have a bicycle.

  6. makati1 on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 5:40 pm 

    Lets see. Over 1,200,000,000 cars in the world. At one time, a large percentage will be idling in traffic or waiting for someone. For instance, it takes about one hour to go 10 miles across Manila. Longer during busy times. most of that time is spent idling at intersections. This is in a city with 6-8 lane highways and streets that are usually bumper to bumper. Amerikan cities are no better.

  7. makati1 on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 5:40 pm 

    “…changing our overall consumption patterns, especially in developed countries.”

    BINGO! If Amerikans lived on their fair percentage of resources (4% not 24%), the rest of the world, especially outside the West, would have more and all could live decent lives. Most of the resources consumed by Amerikans are wasted. Another reason the Great Leveling should happen soon.

  8. Davy on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 5:45 pm 

    “The One Metric That Matters For Electric Cars”
    https://tinyurl.com/yxprplpq oil price

    “That number, according to researcher George Crabtree, is the price of the battery (as measured in $ per kwh), which he says has to halve in order to make EVs competitive with conventional cars. Not promising one might think. Well, researchers now believe that battery prices could reach the magic level somewhere between 2022 and 2026. But, there is more to come. Researchers are working on lithium ion-solid state batteries. These would not only eliminate the unfortunate flammability issue that dogs lithium batteries but also possibly double the mileage per charge. Toyota hopes to have such a battery ready in the early 2020s. Still, what about the potential shortage of minerals required to build the batteries? Crabtree points out that the key to making sure we do not have a lithium shortage is to recycle the batteries. At present we recycle almost 100% of lead acid automotive batteries and less than 5% of lithium batteries. However, figuring out how to recycle the latter economically will require research. What all this says is that the electric vehicle could emerge from its present position in the United States as a well subsidized status symbol to a commercially competitive vehicle within five years. It looks as if the automobile manufacturers will be ready. But how about the electricity producers? This requires new modes of power distribution for charging stations as well as an ongoing commitment to fossil-free energy sources. This is not a trifling issue for electricity producers. Electric vehicles could eventually account for 30-40% of US electricity sales. This is huge. But these sales will not be made unless the industry has in place an infrastructure to deliver the power to the right places at the right time.”

  9. makati1 on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 6:20 pm 

    “But these sales will not be made unless the industry has in place an infrastructure to deliver the power to the right places at the right time” Never going to happen. Look at electric in Californication.

    It took decades to build out the gasoline system, back when oil was cheap and energy was abundant. Now we are in collapse as the real economy in most western countries are shrinking and debt loaded. Not to mention that Big Oil is going to make it difficult to build out competition. Interesting times.

    BTW Davy, I read this at oil price before I saw your cut and paste comment.

  10. gwb on Sat, 9th Nov 2019 8:49 pm 

    @ Dave Thompson,

    ETP theory stands for Total Production Energy, a thermodynamic model of oil depletion proposed by the Hills Group:

    https://peakoil.com/geology/thermodynamic-model-of-oil-depletion-sparks-controversy

    Can’t find their web site at the moment – it may be down. Bedford Hill, the group’s head, writes on this site as Shortonoil on various threads.

  11. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 3:12 am 

    “It took decades to build out the gasoline system, back when oil was cheap and energy was abundant.”

    It will take decades to build out the renewable energy system world-wide as well.

    Back then people were much poorer than today.

    When I was a kid in the sixties one of the favorite games we played was “stoepranden” (“curbing?”):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvfFPTmTXYI

    We could play that game because the streets were devoid of cars.

    https://tinyurl.com/uwg4b9g

    20 years later most households had a car and nobody played “stoepranden” anymore, for practical reasons because parked cars blocked the game.

    At the same time very few households had a television. Ten years later everybody had them.

    Ten years later most people had experienced a plane flight to a holiday resort abroad (now the average Dutchman sits in a plane 1.3 times per year).

    Yet another decade later, most people had an internet connection and a mobile phone.

    There is absolutely nothing unrealistic about expecting that in a decade or so most car owners will own an e-vehicle.

    Leave it to Greta.

  12. makati1 on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 3:47 am 

    Cloggie, we do not have “decades” to build out anything. We will be lucky if we have five years to prep for the fall. The car industry is dying, in case you haven’t noticed. All cars are too expensive to buy and own for most today.

    You keep dreaming of a future that cannot be for so many rational reasons. Like fusion energy plants that will never be, again for so many rational reasons. I hope you are prepping for the fall. It is going to be huge and painful for the West.

  13. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 4:54 am 

    “You keep dreaming of a future that cannot be for so many rational reasons.”

    I’m not dreaming, I’m pointing at REAL developments:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/

    The entire world minus America and Syria (LOL) have embraced the necessity of decarbonization. That’s a huge PR coup.

    “Like fusion energy plants that will never be, again for so many rational reasons.”

    I do not believe in fusion (not this century, perhaps never), I believe in renewable energy. That works, as has been shown in abundance in Europe:

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/scotland-wind-energy-new-record-putting-country-on-track-for-100-renewable-electricity-in-2020

    “Scotland’s new target: 100% renewable electricity in 2020”

    Small, rich countries in NW-Europe will cross the point of renewable no-return first (Denmark, Scotland, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands) and larger ones like Germany and England, setting the example for the rest of the world to follow, while further bringing down prices for the rest of the world.

    “I hope you are prepping for the fall. It is going to be huge and painful for the West.”

    My presence here to a considerable extent is dedicated to preparing for the desired USSR-1991-style downfall of the US-led West… only to resurrect as THE NORTH, a Europe-led (PBM) confederation of European peoples world-wide and identitarian multi-polar world-order, with Eurosphere and Sinosphere the leading “poles”, providing order to the rest of the planet.

    Hey, it were Dutch diplomats who after the war brought together the Germans and French, face the new facts and start all over again, this time with European unification.

    Considering the history of America and the defining role the Dutch (and English) played in setting up the new American republic…

    https://news.wisc.edu/was-declaration-of-independence-inspired-by-dutch/

    …the Dutch are better positioned than anybody else to repeat the same (European unification) stunt and begin to evangelize the virtues of a global European Commonwealth.

    For that to happen, ZOG needs to die and America broken up in say 5 pieces.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/the-good-news-zog-is-dying/

  14. REAL Green on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 5:41 am 

    “Silvopasture: The Benefits of Integrating Livestock and trees”
    https://tinyurl.com/vmbadjc resilience

    “Despite being widely practised for many thousands of years, silvopasture could be classed as a lost art in the UK, where we have tended towards specialised farming and larger herds and flocks. Silvopastoral agroforestry is the integration of trees with livestock. It can be achieved either by planting trees on grazing land, or by introducing stock into woodlands or orchards. Hedges can even form part of silvopasture, though arguably only truly so if they can provide proper shade, browsing plants for supplementary forage or income. We are now starting to learn from other countries – and from an increasing body of research – the numerous benefits of silvopastoral systems. There is also an urgency that climate change brings for an uptake of these systems. Project Drawdown, a climate mitigation project, identified silvopasture as one of the top ten climate solutions.”

  15. Davy on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 5:42 am 

    “How Many Calories Can the Brain Burn by Thinking?”
    https://tinyurl.com/rq48zfk live science

    “When the body is at rest — not engaged in any activity besides the basics of breathing, digesting and keeping itself warm — we know that the brain uses up a startling 20% to 25% of the body’s overall energy, mainly in the form of glucose. That translates to 350 or 450 calories per day for the average woman or man, respectively.”

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 5:52 am 

    “How Many Calories Can the Brain Burn by Thinking?”

    What’s your weight, Davy?

    LOL

  17. Davy on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 6:25 am 

    cloggo, if you remember past discussion then you remember we are around the same height and weight. lol

  18. Davy on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 6:25 am 

    “No Recession Ever Again? The Yellowstone Analogy”
    https://tinyurl.com/s7ajdpg oftwominds

    “Just as forestry management’s policy of suppressing forest fires insured uncontrollable conflagrations, so central banks’ attempts to eliminate recessions insure a financial conflagration that will burn down the entire global financial system…But as the Yellowstone Analogy illustrates, something else does matter: the financial dead wood of mal-investment, bad debt and excessive speculation is piling up, creating the ideal conditions for a financial conflagration that will consume the entire system…Sounds good, but the Yellowstone Analogy reveals the fatal flaw in this recession-suppression strategy. “Free market private sector capitalism’s” normal business cycle of over-investment and excessive risk-taking is naturally followed by a reduction in debt, the liquidation of bad loans and excess inventory, a trend to reduced risk, etc.–in other words, a fast-burning forest fire which incinerates all the dead wood, clearing space for the next generation of growth…Isn’t it obvious that by trying to make forest fires a thing of the past then you’re actually killing the forest? The same mechanism is at work in the multi-trillion dollar attempts to make financial cycles of over-indebtedness and excessive risk a thing of the past: the no recession ever again policy. You can’t make people and enterprises with little real collateral creditworthy. To shove more debt into the system is to pile more dead wood onto the already-dense pile of dry debris awaiting a lightning strike.”

  19. Davy on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 6:26 am 

    This article points out the fallacy of both unbridled capitalism or socialism. Neither of these two economic systems work well alone and extreme. Yet, how do we combine the two in a mix that allows the efficiency and rigors of pure capitalism with the public good promotion of socialism? This question is more urgent in todays world heading into a decline process. The margins of error are getting thinner with continued decline. When we see we are carbon trapped and path dependent on a collapse gradient then we have to ask how can we adapt the best of both systems to give us the most resources to do battle with this decline that will rip apart every segment of our society. This expands and shrinks to the whole issue of competitive cooperation and the best mix of public private productivity. The whole issue of private property and public commons. We then have the aspect of control with authoritative and autonomous and centralized and decentralized. Until society accepts the moving target of the collapse process, we are not going to get the mix right. To achieve a beneficial mix there must be acceptance of the predicament we are in so the proper tuning can be made to these contrasting approaches. So, this proper mix in a time of declining well being all hinges first on behavior. Until behavior is gotten right there will be irrational policy that will do harm that could otherwise be channeled better for the greater good.

  20. Davy on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 6:30 am 

    “Iran Announces Discovery Of Massive Oil Field”
    https://tinyurl.com/ukdhu44 ibtimes

    “Iran has discovered a massive new oil field, President Hassan Rouhani said Sunday, a find that would boost its proven reserves by about a third in a rare piece of “good news” for an economy battered by US sanctions. In a speech aired on state TV, Rouhani said the country’s economy had stabilised despite punishing US measures against its senior leaders, banking and finance sectors. The vast field in the southwestern province of Khuzestan holds an estimated 53 billion barrels of crude, he said. The 80-metre deep reservoir stretches nearly 200 kilometres from Khuzestan’s border with Iraq to the city of Omidiyeh.”

  21. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 6:30 am 

    “How Many Calories Can the Brain Burn by Thinking?”

    Fitness trackers are all the rage these days. I myself have owned 6 Fitbit watches, 6 because 4 of them wentkaput and one I gave away. They track steps, heart beat (both very accurately), caloric burning and most important: sleep. Like with this (jewish) gentleman, my sleep isn’t too great and want to improve that:

    https://www.nosleeplessnights.com/best-sleep-tracker/

    According to him, Fitbit Versa 2 is the most reliable sleeptracker, so yesterday I dashed off to the electronics store to get me one.

    Their functionality is fascinating, the quality not so much. But since I’m an electronic gadget addict, I keep buying them anyway, always on the lookout for something better. The only reason I haven’t bought an Apple watch (yet) is because of their weak battery performance (you have to charge them every day).

    A few basic stats. Stay in bed all day and don’t think: 1900 cals.

    The American Heart Association recommends 10,000 steps per day (my average is 15,000/day thanks to Fitbit). It keeps my blood pressure at perfect 120-80, along with other measures like bringing weight down with 10 kg, no more cakes or sweets, like Dutch treat #1: licorice-based stuff, which most of the rest of the world detests:

    https://tinyurl.com/wafc9rd

    I ate those by at least 1 kg/week. Very bad.

    More stats: I have made it a habit of burning at least 3000 cals/day, so 1100 on top of merely hibernating.

    1000 cals = 9 km walking = 12,000 steps. In the Summer in the forest…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrEmBZeB7GU

    …and since the end of Summertime earlier this month, back to the gym, with a mix of weights, rowing and treadmill.

    This kind of behavior earned me a life-expectancy of 90 years, courtesy Pennsylvania University…

    https://www.blueprintincome.com/tools/life-expectancy-calculator-how-long-will-i-live/

    …or two-and-a-half decades, after my “retirement” next month (only to keep on working at “gigs” against high pay).

    More stats relating bio-calories to physics energy (kWh):

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/one-kilowatthour/

    Producing one kWh physical labor means sitting for 10 hours on a home trainer in a gym, paddling away at 100 Watt. For an hour it is doable. Ten hours is very hard. It is the equivalent of pulling a 1200 kg car up the Eiffel tower in Paris, with a pulley with ration of 1:40.

    Every time I pass a large winter tower of 5 MW, it think of an army of 30,000 adult men, doing the work I don’t have to do. And curse stupid NIMBYs.

  22. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 7:11 am 

    “This article points out the fallacy of both unbridled capitalism or socialism. Neither of these two economic systems work well alone and extreme. Yet, how do we combine the two in a mix that allows the efficiency and rigors of pure capitalism with the public good promotion of socialism?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

    The only thing that needs to change is an upper limit to private wealth, like say 50 million.

    A hardworking entrepreneur who kerps 5000 families alive should have a 2nd home on the Bahamas, a private e-plane, an e-Bentley and a mistress.

    He should NOT be able to buy up democracy, like in the US or post-Brexit Britain.

    #DeathToTheOligarchs

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

    “Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy”

  23. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 7:30 am 

    21 years more Trump:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-kentucky-rally-21-years-white-house-2020-election-a9185336.html

    “Trump muses about serving 21 more years as president”

  24. DerHundistLos on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 7:45 am 

    Lol Cloggie. Trump musing is about as far as he will get based on another round of elections last Tuesday in what should have been safe Trump country.

    Democrats Rack Up Impressive Election Wins In The South Last Tuesday Ahead Of 2020

    In Virginia and Kentucky, Donald Trump hurt Republicans far more than he helped.

    Democrats made major gains in state-level elections across the country on Tuesday, revealing President Donald Trump’s weakness in even the reddest of states and putting the lie to the idea of a massive voter backlash against House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kentucky-virginia-democrats-win_n_5dc243f6e4b0f5dcf8fd1d1f

  25. Sissyfuss on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 8:32 am 

    Love this little tidbit, ” A larger population doesn’t necessarily produce more CO2 emissions,” The population is growing alongside the emissions but they aren’t necessarily related? The PTB will continue to push their agenda of more consumers knowing that any truncation will result in the collapse of the system. Don’t worry, be happy.

  26. Hella Wayttago on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 9:42 am 

    Too old to ride my Harley so I just let it idle in the driveway for kicks.

  27. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 10:01 am 

    Too old to ride my Harley

    Look on it as a positive development.
    Almost all Harley riders are fat and dumb– just take a look.

  28. Rik on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 5:25 pm 

    The problem in Canada is the carbon tax. It is unfair to taxpayers, punishes oil and gas workers. Oil is a natural resource. Maybe Alberta should get enough votes to separate from Canada along with Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

  29. makati1 on Sun, 10th Nov 2019 5:30 pm 

    Cloggie, it is impossible to show you anything. You are soooo techie obsessed, you cannot see reality. I hope you do not prep for the fall. You are one of those here who deserve the pain. So be it.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-12/historic-slump-in-china-car-market-continues-as-sales-drop-6-6
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/peak-car-worries-used-car-sales-red-flag-2019-6-1028270745
    https://www.bworldonline.com/car-sales-drop-first-in-seven-years/
    https://business.mb.com.ph/2019/09/12/car-sales-down-in-ghost-month/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46774053 Car sales see biggest fall since financial crisis

    And on and on. Car sales are dropping like flies in a Monsanto factory. The ongoing recession/depression will end the lifestyle of happy motoring in any kind if car except well used. When the dust settles, most techie toys will be gone as the waste will not be possible. Renewable news will be replaced with survival tips, not the latest I-gadget. Be patient.

  30. Cloggie on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 2:50 pm 

    It is absolutely no surprise that car sales collapse as a result of the growing uncertainty of the fossil-fuel-based automotive future.

    “You are one of those here who deserve the pain. So be it”

    And why would I deserve that… because I promote renewable energy, contradicting your nihilistic doomer beliefs?

    Whatever, I have a country I can call my own, where you are a refugee in the third world, fleeing a collapsing country.

  31. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 2:53 pm 

    “It is absolutely no surprise that car sales collapse as a result of the growing uncertainty of the fossil-fuel-based automotive future.”

    wow, that was stupid.

  32. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 3:30 pm 

    And, I would like to add, if anyone knows about stupid, it’s me. So don’t feel too bad, we’re both in the same boat. Well, I am at the very least.

  33. Sissyfuss on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:02 pm 

    Rik, they need to increase the carbon tax to the 10th power to give the biosphere any chance at all.

  34. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:38 pm 

    “you are a refugee in the third world, fleeing a collapsing country.”

    Did I mention I am fleeing to Italy?

    I think I might of.

  35. JuanP ID theft and sock garbage on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:50 pm 

    More stupid:

    Davy said “you are a refugee in the third world, fleeing a c…

    Another Davy Sock Puppet said Rik

    Rik said I’m allergic to (((supremetard))) coq. I lov…

    ban the asshole juanpee

  36. JuanP ID theft on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:52 pm 

    more stupid:

    Davy said “you are a refugee in the third world, fleeing a c…

    Can you tell dumbfuck didn’t finish high school. LMFAO

  37. Davy ID theft and sock garbage on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 5:15 pm 

    more dumbass

    JuanP ID theft on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:52 pm
    JuanP ID theft and sock garbage on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 4:50 pm

    ban the asshole Davy Prickface

    Can you tell my dumbass didn’t finish high school. LMFAO

  38. makati1 on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 5:35 pm 

    Out of the frying pan and into the fire Davy?

    “In a nutshell, political chaos and failure to form a stable coalition government has caused the problems in Italy. … Italy ranks among the countries with the most significant debt—around 2.3 trillion euros—and has a been facing a double-digit unemployment rate since 2012.May 15, 2019”

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Italy%27s+debt+problems

    Italy is one step behind the US in debt and collapse, but then, you ignore reality. From the sinking USS Debt to a sinking lifeboat! Go for it!

  39. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 5:52 pm 

    “Out of the frying pan and into the fire Davy?”

    Dumfuck can’t tell the difference between my comments and his boy JuanP. This happens regularly with other comments too.
    These things happen to seniors with failing mental capacity. I am glad makato is in the P’s so our tax dollars are not being spent on nurses to wipe his ass.

  40. makati1 on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 6:22 pm 

    As I said many times, Davy, I reply to the comment, not the name attached.

    You are once again proving your immature, delusional self by using weak putdowns instead of refuting my assertions with reputable refs.

    The truth hurts doesn’t it Davy. My comments and refs prove my assertions. The US is swirling down the shitter,followed close behind by your refuge Italy. IN fact not one Western country is solvent and secure these days.

  41. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 6:55 pm 

    “As I said many times, Davy, I reply to the comment, not the name attached.”

    IOW, you are a dumbass who can’t tell the difference. You are so easy to fool because you are a fool.

    “You are once again proving your immature, delusional self by using weak putdowns instead of refuting my assertions with reputable refs.”

    Stupid fuck, you are the one coming out swinging at me so go whine somewhere else.

  42. makati1 on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 7:23 pm 

    Davy, I don’t play your games. I don’t give a damn who said it, I just reply to the comment. Is your memory so short that you cannot remember that? Getting senile already?

    Can’t take the heat Davy, get out of the kitchen. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass. You will not be missed.

  43. Duncan Idaho on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 7:26 pm 

    Things are getting interesting for the Fat Boy ad the thieves.
    We shall see——

  44. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 7:31 pm 

    Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing my widdle temper again makato. And for the real bad cussin wurds.

    I can’t help my widdle dumbass self.

  45. Davy on Mon, 11th Nov 2019 8:00 pm 

    “I am glad makato is in the P’s so our tax dollars are not being spent on nurses to wipe his ass.”

    Oops, sorry again makato. I keep forgetin. Your and my tax dollars are paying for your retirement. I just get real upset noing there won’t be anything left for me. When the US economy tanks I’m real screwed. That makes me more extra real upset like.

  46. makati1 on Tue, 12th Nov 2019 1:35 am 

    Davy, YOUR tax dollars are paying for my Social Security, thank you. Not my tax dollars. I pay ZERO taxes to the US except sales tax for stuff I buy when I visit. I have not paid any other taxes in the US for almost 12 years but you have sent me well over $300,000 in that same period as SS income.

    I do quickly exchange my SS dollars to Philippine pesos as I do not trust US banks and do not want to be caught when they hit bank accounts with negative rates and the new law that says YOU will pay the bailout when your bank goes under, not the government this time. And that day is fast approaching. Be patient.

  47. makati1 on Tue, 12th Nov 2019 1:39 am 

    BTW Davy,the money I paid in for almost 50 years was to support my parent’s SS and spent on shit by the US government. Now YOU have to fork up my SS. LOL

    BTW: MY very good health will likely allow me to collect many hundreds of thousands more…IF the US lasts that long. I doubt it.

  48. Davy on Tue, 12th Nov 2019 3:31 am 

    “Davy, I don’t play your games. I don’t give a damn who said it, I just reply to the comment. Is your memory so short that you cannot remember that? Getting senile already?”
    You are playing stupid and using the excuse you don’t care. This is the typical sloppiness with your style. Anyone with a brain would not respond to ID theft. As much as you are here you should know the difference. I bet you are the type that gets scammed because you are not very bright.

    “Can’t take the heat Davy, get out of the kitchen. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass. You will not be missed.”
    You are the one whining and you started this feed attacking me. I think the heat is on you.

    “Davy, YOUR tax dollars are paying for my Social Security, thank you. Not my tax dollars. I pay ZERO taxes to the US except sales tax for stuff I buy when I visit. I have not paid any other taxes in the US for almost 12 years but you have sent me well over $300,000 in that same period as SS income.”
    What do you want a medal? LOL. Stupid, your small stipend means nothing. You are not even on the radar. The fact you are in the P’s is saving us a lot of tax dollars. Please stay there and never return.

    “I do quickly exchange my SS dollars to Philippine pesos as I do not trust US banks and do not want to be caught when they hit bank accounts with negative rates and the new law that says YOU will pay the bailout when your bank goes under, not the government this time. And that day is fast approaching. Be patient.”
    You are the one in an unstable turd world country. What happens if Duterte decides he does not like Americans in the P’s. Oops makato is homeless. dumbass

    “BTW Davy,the money I paid in for almost 50 years was to support my parent’s SS and spent on shit by the US government. Now YOU have to fork up my SS. LOL”
    Again, who cares makato. Stay in the P’s and don’t come back so my tax dollars do not have to pay for expensive medical treatment. Just die over there please.

    “BTW: MY very good health will likely allow me to collect many hundreds of thousands more…IF the US lasts that long. I doubt it.”
    Sure you are. LOL. Makato, this is the internet and nobody knows if you are in good health. At your age I am sure you have some kind of issue or will just be patient.

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