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Heinberg: Two Arguments for Localism

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Dear faithful readers,
My essay this month was written in response to a piece by Brian Tokar on the subject of local-versus-global action. Great Transition Network, which invited these essays, also published contributions from Helena Norberg Hodge, David Bollier and others. You can read the whole discussion here. Meanwhile, my book project is advancing by leaps and bounds. Thanks for your patience while we continue to explore publication options. I hope to have news to report on that soon!
Best wishes,
Richard

Two Arguments for Localism

Argument 1: Localism is inevitable.

Globalization was made possible by long-distance transport, communications, and capital flows. It fits with widespread assumptions about progress and economic growth leading to a better future. But there are good reasons to think that our current bout of globalization is actually a brief, fragile, and highly problematic phase of human history.

Societies seem to pass through a “secular cycle” in which they grow in size and interconnectedness, but then experience instability and decline, becoming more decentralized and isolated once again. This secular cycle mirrors the adaptive cycle discussed in ecological literature, wherein ecosystems pass through phases of exploitation (in which total biomass, energy capture, and species interconnectivity all grow), conservation (where biomass, interconnectivity, and energy capture reach a peak, but at the expense of system resilience), release (a fairly sudden loss of biomass, energy capture, and connectivity), and reorganization (in which pioneer species begin a recovery, opening the way for a new exploitation phase).

Our current global society appears to be in the conservation phase of its adaptive cycle: it is at a peak of scale and integration. If the cyclical behavior of past societies is repeated in ours, recent trends toward globalization and urbanization will reach natural limits and be reversed. The inflection point may not be far in the future. Factors potentially leading to a loss of connectivity are growing in number, including environmental degradation (climate change, biodiversity loss, widespread plastics and petrochemical pollution), resource depletion (topsoil, fresh water, minerals), and over-reliance on debt to maintain economic growth.

Another factor that is likely to be decisive is energy supply. The integration and scaling of social systems have required enormous and expanding amounts of energy, and our current energy system is about twenty-five times larger than the global energy system that existed at the start of the industrial revolution.

This system is entirely unsustainable in terms of its sources (86 percent of current energy comes from depleting, climate-destabilizing fossil fuels) and therefore almost certainly in terms of its scale as well. While a one-to-one replacement of energy from fossil sources with energy from alternative sources may be theoretically possible, substitution is not happening at remotely the rate needed to avert serious environmental impacts from climate change or economic impacts from fossil fuel depletion. With less energy, we will eventually see less trade and transport (though perhaps global communication networks could be maintained, if scaled back).

In sum, a reversion to a more localized form of social organization is an entirely predictable consequence of past and current trends. It therefore makes sense to start thinking about how localization could be accomplished in ways that maximize benefits and minimize costs.

Argument 2: Localism is desirable.

The past few decades have seen many social movements advocating localization, driven mostly by concerns for equity, human rights, and environmental protection (as still-local indigenous communities struggle to maintain their way of life in the face of globalization). From “Buy Local” campaigns in communities across the US to “Transition Town” initiatives and nonprofit advocacy organizations like Local Futures, this work has sprung largely from the theoretical foundations of bioregionalism laid down in the 1970s and 1980s. Localism is largely a corrective to the depredations and excesses of corporate globalization, but there is more to it than that.

As Sebastian Junger argues in his influential book Tribe, humans evolved living in small groups and function best in contexts where they know one another face-to-face. It is in our communities where we (as individuals, families, businesses, and organizations of all kinds) most directly interact with the people and institutions that make up our society. And it is where we are most affected by the decisions that society makes. When political and social entities grow in size, the likelihood of power concentration increases. And people tend to handle lots of power poorly. The only sure way to keep power inequality from causing extreme injustice and social instability is to keep the scale of social organization small.

Moreover, we work hardest to protect places we know and love. “Nature” is an abstraction, but the urge to protect one’s home is powerful. That is why place-based conservation efforts (such as local land and farm trusts, community parks, and publicly managed commons) are often more effective than campaigns by distant city dwellers to save rainforests and emblematic species on the far side of the planet.

Much of the best climate change mitigation work is happening at the local level. In the national and international arena, political polarization and the power of the fossil fuel lobby have prevented strong action, but in local communities—where citizens can talk face-to-face—climate action has been easier to achieve. For example, where I live (Sonoma County, California) all cities have signed on to decarbonization goals far more ambitious than ones adopted at the federal level during the Obama administration.

Of course, localism won’t automatically solve all our problems. Anyone who has ever worked in local politics or a grassroots organizing campaign knows that corruption, polarization, and power grabs can afflict even the smallest communities. Some local environmental and community welfare efforts succeed; others fail.

Further, many of the world’s current counter-globalization trends appear steeped in parochialism, right-wing populism, and racism. Brexit and the efforts of the current US administration to build a wall on the nation’s southern border seem to be driven largely by fear and distrust of immigrants and refugees—attitudes that are worrisome in the context of growing flows of people from the Global South fleeing climate chaos and increasing political instability. I would argue that these are signs that the recent cycle of global integration has already run its course. We can’t buck the tide of history. Our task is not to resist localism, but to push for a humane localism—to make the most of its opportunities, while avoiding as much as possible its potential pitfalls. If the inevitable trend toward localism is not led by those who are pro-social and visionary, it will instead be led by the worst opportunists.

In the best instance, communities can benefit from localism by sharing and cooperating across geographic boundaries through informal networks, as Transition Towns have done. However, it is by no means assured that electricity grids and global communications can be maintained over the long run, as energy and financial flows decline chaotically. While we still benefit from those global flows, it makes sense to push for worldwide climate agreements and other sane policies. Global movements along these lines (e.g., Extinction Rebellion) can benefit from diverse voices and strategies arising from, and aligned with, local concerns and existing regional organizations. But it also makes sense to envision and plan for a peaceable, compassionate, and virtuous path down the ladder of societal scale.

The bottom line: Even if you find argument 2 less than convincing, argument 1 is probably not negotiable. A Great Unraveling is in store, and has evidently already commenced. How shall we navigate it?

Richard Heinberg



45 Comments on "Heinberg: Two Arguments for Localism"

  1. Truth Buster on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:11 pm 

    Davy, you have been a real bitch ever since your ebony Pablo left you.

    Please do everybody a favor. Remember telling us how you passed out from too much Ripple in Forest Park. Try again. You may wake up to find another ebony painting your toenails.

  2. Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:13 pm 

    @ Truth Buster

    Not a bad idea. It worked the first time so why not a second?

    I’ll keep everyone posted as to the results.

    Thanks for the creative thinking.

  3. Mindless juanpee trolling on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:16 pm 

    Davy said @ Truth Buster Not a bad idea. It worked the first…
    Truth Buster said Davy, you have been a real bitch ever since your e…
    Davy & Socks Suxs said DavyTurd, you’re about as original as the cr…
    more low iq davy mindless shit said juanpee shit on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:54 pm
    more davy mindless shit said juanpee shit on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 2:53 pm

  4. Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:46 pm 

    Trolling only works when people are stupid enough to respond to it.

  5. Cloggie on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 5:36 pm 

    “As Sebastian Junger argues in his influential book Tribe, humans evolved living in small groups and function best in contexts where they know one another face-to-face.”

    There is a right-wing undercurrent in Heinberg’s way of thinking/

    As you might have guessed, I’ll forgive him this tendency.

    Even more interestingly, Heinberg is a (closet) 9-11 truther.

  6. SUM @ Mojahedin-e Khaliq on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 5:36 pm 

    My Dearest Davy,

    So much hatred being leveled against you. Do these people understand you are a SuperTard?

  7. makati1 on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 6:15 pm 

    We have reached peak globalism. Contraction is the next step. Localized trade is the future. What would it take?

    Well, the best would be just a wind down as each country goes into isolation, the US leading. Causes? Financial collapse, trade barriers, internal stress, etc.

    Second best is a massive solar flare that takes out all of the GPS and techie stuff that globalism relies on. Could happen any time.

    The worst would be a world war that turns nuclear, driving humanity back into the stone age.

    Which will prevail? We shall see.

  8. juanpee trolling madness on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 11:18 pm 

    Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 3:46 pm
    SUM @ Mojahedin-e Khaliq on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 5:36 pm

  9. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 11:21 pm 

    Italy edges toward a left-wing coalition government with Conte back as leader

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/28/italy-edges-toward-a-left-wing-coalition-government.html

    R.I.P. Populism

    As the boomers start dropping like flies and going demented. The radical left will rise. Like a phoenix from the ashes.

  10. Davy on Wed, 28th Aug 2019 11:54 pm 

    I am making an effort to go local as a life system. I call it REAL Green Deep Adaptation. This is a product of a journey that has been going on for 20 years now. This does not make me better than others. This personal awakening has made me go forth in an effort as a religious convert does when they experience the sacred. I am doing what I find to be my calling. I am a lucky one because I can do it. What I am doing is understanding how little I can do. What I can do in my own little way is localize and attempt to lower my foot print in a relative way. Why the relative effort? Relative is acknowledgment and acceptance of the greater forces. You can leave your job and move to the woods BTW I did that back in 03. It lasted a few months and greatly upset my friends and family. I talked about many of the things being talked about now and they thought I was mad. Maybe I was but I was honest.

    The relative comes from realizing if you are going to make an impact in your local it means adapting to your local. If you are stuck with energy hungry people you adapt to it even though you immediately see the destruction that it is producing. You do your best to adapt what is around you without destroying what you have. You could help your local by killing these people but then what are you? You will surely be incarcerated and considered a monster but you will have saved something. You will get more done by quiet change than loud and destructive change. I am not arguing against those who want to protest, cry, yell, and throw rocks. Go ahead and do it. What I am saying is be honest as to why you are throwing rocks BTW if you throw rocks at me, I will throw them back. I turn the cheek to family not to strangers.

    This is about honesty and acknowledgement then comes acceptance. There is nothing magical about this. It is the same thing those facing terminal illness do. Face your terminal illness of your delocalized local and hope to make the pain and suffering all around a little less. The pain and suffering are from any nature lover seeing beauty destroyed by human dirt. This is about restoration and relinquishment. Restore a little bit of planet under your feet. The relinquishment is giving up what you can in a meaningful way. Naturally embrace efficiency and lower carbon efforts. I am doing this with animals, hay, and wood but this just reflects my local. Some of you are urban or coastal people you have different strategies. I have restored habitat that has enhanced creatures, plants, and better water. I talk to those who listen in little ways. I try to avoid making waves.

    I am declining in place much as an old person accepts getting old. I am prepping and gathering tools and knowledge for the young so that they may adapt better. None of what I am doing really matters because time will wipe most of what I do away and nobody will understand nor care. If anything may have been left it might be the native grasses that maybe will over time adapt what is left from European and Asian invasives. Heinberg is fine talking about what he is talking about. He is making a living and giving all those green wannabees hope. Hope is a good thing but fake hope that is dishonest will only end in tears. Be honest about your situation, your local, and the humans you are stuck with and in your own little way make the planet under your feet a little better. It isn’t going to matter much in the long run but in the here and now it will. Hope and meaning are powerful forces especially when it is honest and conforms to the planet.

  11. qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:09 am 

    above is suprtard obv.
    big goat exposed as enslaver of women with permacultism which takes hundred of thousand pages to describe farming. now big goat is moving on to real green, deep green, learjet green etc.

    big muzzie has something similar and if your’e a non muzzie violating these rules, big muzzie will kill you

    http://www.myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=6096

    big muzzie nasty FGM minnesota is adulterr and voluntarily commit to sharia court to be stoned.

    ‘lo i’m a superior muzzie monkey allah has created best of humanity

  12. qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:22 am 

    enslavers of insanity like myself live not to live. Enslavers enslave because enslaving feels best. I hate reason because it feels best. The muzzie thing is fun and my clown makeup. My real self is like the dog-man hollowing at the full moon. I don’t know why I howl but I do. Howl with me please. Join me in barking and howling. We can eat raw meat and drink fermented blood.

  13. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:25 am 

    “I am making an effort to go local as a life system subject to some exceptions.”

    Excluding my quarterly trips to Italy aboard the family Learjet. I had to come to Italy so I can spend an obligatory hour a day with the old lady as she’s experiencing hot flashes, which she claims occurs whenever it’s time for her to return to her mansion on the 10,000 acre goat farm. If this doesn’t justify the burning of thousands of gallons of jet fuel I don’t know what does.

    My REAL green DEEP adaptation excludes my central air conditioning units and gas guzzling dual-cab pick-up truck.

  14. qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:26 am 

    ok supertard heinberg pbuh whatev i was the fisrt to buy your book the party’s over in obscure section of university bookstore. you said localize and permacultism but imam supertard orwell said this is not possible.

    why can’t supertards ever agree?

  15. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:44 am 

    “Biochar’s Role In Mitigating Climate Change”
    https://tinyurl.com/yyabofgo clean technica

    “ There’s a multitude of things that lined up, but one of the main reasons was that California has seen a massive decline in biomass power as renewables have outpriced the industry, and the leftover plants are run mostly on forestry waste that is being taken out due to fire hazards. This leaves the Central Valley — which produced approximately half of the entire US produce — with more than three million tonnes of agricultural woody biomass waste. This waste used to cost US$50 a tonne, and now it is being openly burned in the fields, contributing to some of the worst air quality in the U.S. We’ve decided to go and use that waste. Those orchards have collected carbon for 25 years but now, it’s all being burnt back into the atmosphere, unless we come in and turn it into a stable form. Three million tonnes is an amount so large that it’s really hard to grasp.”

    “Emission curbing and carbon sequestration are two different things — nature is still by far the best at taking parts per million out of the air, and therefore biological processes master carbon drawdown. Biochar leverages that and speeds up the natural carbon cycle. Most other carbon drawdown mechanisms cost a lot, but because biochar is a valuable product, it’s profitable carbon drawdown.”

  16. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:50 am 

    SCRAMBLER ADVENTURE AMPLIFIED
    https://tinyurl.com/y5cmgjz9

    “Built to explore, our Scrambler electric bike is best experienced in the dirt. It’s legacy is dusty and dissident and it will be most appreciated by those who tune to another dance. This electric bike is for those who explore the roads less traveled and prefer fire roads to freeways. It is our homage to an outlaw era when motorcycles evolved from the pavement to the dirt. It is a nod to the ingenuity and creativity that prompted off road motorcycle racing, as well as a glimpse into the future of off road electric bikes. With a 750w drive train and speeds of up 36 mph* the Scrambler will turn an ordinary ride into an extraordinary adventure.”

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:55 am 

    “R.I.P. Populism”

    Idiot, this government is a panic move to avoid elections now and postpone the inevitable: the eventual take-over of the Italian government by Salvini.

    For the moment the flirtations with Moscow are over. Italy will do what the EU says and deliver a responsible budget. But as der Spiegel admits it is unlikely that the new government will open the borders for African gate crashers and provoke the Italian population again. Der Spiegel also admits that Salvini won’t go away. The only way for regular politics to stop Salvini is to adopt his closed borders policy. There is a good chance they will.

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/italien-giuseppe-conte-bleibt-matteo-salvini-geht-das-bedeutet-der-machtwechsel-a-1284136.html

  18. juanpee is insane on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 1:26 am 

    Mental madness:
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said muzzie shot 6 cops in philadelphia and cops respon…
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said this is a very expensibe bike which doesn’t…
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said ok supertard heinberg pbuh whatev i was the fisrt…
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said sorry, if you want to be big muzzie love enforcing…
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said enslavers of insanity like myself live not to live…
    qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr said above is suprtard obv. big goat exposed as enslave…

    ID theft:
    Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:25 am “I am making an effort to go local as a life system subject to some exceptions.” Excluding my quarterly trips to Italy aboard the family Learjet. I had to come to Italy so I can spend an obligatory hour a day with the old lady as she’s experiencing hot flashes, which she claims occurs whenever it’s time for her to return to her mansion on the 10,000 acre goat farm. If this doesn’t justify the burning of thousands of gallons of jet fuel I don’t know what does. My REAL green DEEP adaptation excludes my central air conditioning units and gas guzzling dual-cab pick-up truck.

  19. big goat on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 2:07 am 

    @ big goat exposed as enslaver of women with permacultism which takes hundred of thousand pages to describe farming. now big goat is moving on to real green, deep green, learjet green etc on 10,000 acre mansion ranch with multiple AC units run 24 & 7.

    Very well stated.

  20. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 2:12 am 

    It’s official.

    I am insane.

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  22. Douglas Gardens on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 3:29 am 

    We are her for you qutbthehatermuzziealameriki-akafmr

    We have a nice room and warm food for you. There are others here you can talk to in group therepy. You don’t have to do this alone JuanP. Reach out to those who care.

  23. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 7:23 am 

    Imagine having no accomplishments in life….so you have to brag about being white.

    lol

  24. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 7:28 am 

    “Imagine having no accomplishments in life….so you have to brag about being white.”

    Would you care to elaborate on your accomplishments?

    Baking bagels?

  25. Anonymouse on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:08 am 

    No one here cares about your Real Brown Bovine Fertilizer exeptionalturd. IF they did, they might act and respond as if it mattered. But they dont, and it doesn’t. You might try sticking to stories about the 1000’s of acres you have under cultivation, your vast riches, the ‘Italian doomstead’, along with the occasional unsolicited and boring anecdotes about your ever-absent Italian ‘wife’. Did she come with the Italian ‘estate’? Or did you make her up and add her in to your fantasy farmstead at a later time?

    Anyhow, hows the search for affordable, or better yet free mental-care in the bayou going davytard? I’m going to guess since you are still here 20/hours/7days a week, still socking and stalking, the answer is, “not very well”. Your mental stability may be declining, or has declined, completely, but that is no reason for you to keep hanging our here wasting what little time you have left spent cranking out long-winded turd-salads that no one reads.

    dumbass.

  26. The insane stalker returns on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:12 am 

    Anonymouse on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:08 am

  27. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:49 am 

    Man in a MAGA hat gets punched in Portland!

    “The Trump supporter told KPTV that he was out having a nice calm evening on a date night with his wife, when everybody suddenly started being mean to him, just because he was wearing a MAGA hat. Things escalated from verbal to physical when the couple went outside, according to Lenzner, “I got mobbed by everybody that was in that bar outside. People came from the inside out—just circled me and my wife.”

    https://www.kptv.com/news/man-says-he-was-assaulted-outside-portland-bar-for-wearing/article_2ed3c054-c795-11e9-956e-1f42272a49fe.html

  28. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 9:22 am 

    “Man in a MAGA hat gets punched in Portland!”

    Exactly the news that we want to hear in Eurasia, floppy!
    Keep it coming.
    We’re not that interested in libtard Portland anyway.
    Besides we make our own cement.
    On top of that Eurasia is not interested in MAGA, only in CW2.

    Hit em hard, these MAGA hats! You have got our permission, from all two billion Eurasians.

  29. More low iq davy mindless sock puppetry on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 9:27 am 

    The insane stalker returns on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 8:12 am

  30. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 10:10 am 

    Clogg

    “It’s always easier to to fight for one’s principles than live up to them.”

    -Alfred Allen

  31. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 10:25 am 

    “Man in a MAGA hat gets punched in Portland!”

    Fascist liberalism at its best in the disgusting city of Portland. There was a time when I admired the west coast but now it is the asshole of the country. Mobster brags about this shit like it is good and wholesome. Just another sorry looser type with no life.

  32. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 12:52 pm 

    Davy

    “Boo hoo people don’t like my Klan hood”

  33. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 1:14 pm 

    US Intel report says mysterious Russian explosion was triggered by recovery mission of nuclear-powered missile [from ocean floor], not a test
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/29/intel-says-russian-explosion-was-not-from-nuclear-powered-missile-test.html

    We can’t let Russia hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons. We can’t take the risk of America being hit with a surprise nuclear attack on a major city.

  34. Davy on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 4:31 pm 

    Oops, sorry MOB. I meant loser. Not looser.

    I’m such a dumbass.

  35. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 29th Aug 2019 6:39 pm 

    US spies say Trump’s G7 performance suggests he’s either a ‘Russian asset’ or a ‘useful idiot’ for Putin

    https://www.businessinsider.com/spies-react-trump-g7-summit-russian-asset-2019-8?r=US&IR=T

  36. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 2:22 am 

    More doomer porn possibilities:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7409059/Forget-climate-change-antibiotics-crisis-kill-says-NHS-chief.html

    “Forget climate change – the antibiotics crisis will kill us all first, says NHS chief as he warns that bugs could wipe out humanity”

    Oooooooooooh, wer’re all going to die, honest!

  37. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 2:26 am 

    “He does what?”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7408825/Boris-orders-EU-step-tempo-Brexit.html

    “I’m stepping up the tempo’: Boris orders British officials to have talks with the EU at least TWICE a week in bid to kill the Irish backstop and clinch last-minute Brexit deal”

    “Give us what we want or we shoot ourselves in the foot!”

    Or the retirements home classic: “if you don’t give me my cigars, I’ll shit in my pants.”

    Nurse: “shit in your pants, old-timer, I’ll be off for the rest of the day, toodeledokie!”

  38. makati1 on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 2:40 am 

    Cloggie, we ARE all going to die. The only questions are: when, where and how.

    When you get a simple bacteria infection that is not curable, you will not put down his assertion. It is happening more and more.

    Wait until Ebola, malaria, dengue, etc. move north with the climate change. Then again, the Gulf Stream that keeps you warm could shut down and turn your little country into Siberia. So many possibilities, but tech will not save you.

  39. Darrell Cloud on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 11:18 am 

    Comment section is no longer worth reading.

  40. makako on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 9:28 pm 

    and then stories of hands and feet washing up washing state a while back, i think it’s sharia. i wish it was us non muzzie doing the cutting of muzzie hands and feet.
    what happen if muzzies pee sitting down? happens to women’s bathroom always busy when supertard needs a leak.
    should be ok to club the muzzie and drag him out so supertard can get his relief. BIG OZART is not getting younger and bladder is weaker everyday!

  41. makati1 on Fri, 30th Aug 2019 11:30 pm 

    Darrell, you can thank Davy for starting this about 6 years ago. Destruction is his method of debate. Rationality, and reality are not in his vocabulary.

  42. Davy on Sat, 31st Aug 2019 5:35 am 

    “Darrell, you can thank Davy for starting this about 6 years ago. Destruction is his method of debate. Rationality, and reality are not in his vocabulary.”

    Hypocrite and liar makato, your buddy juanpee is doing this. You are supporting him as well as the other lunatic stalker, annoymouse. go have your vodka and oj night cap

  43. Davy the insane lunatic on Sat, 31st Aug 2019 10:02 am 

    Davy on Sat, 31st Aug 2019 5:35 am

  44. Davy the hypocrite and liar on Sat, 31st Aug 2019 11:27 am 

    Davy on Sat, 31st Aug 2019 5:35 am

  45. Sarah on Mon, 16th Sep 2019 5:10 am 

    The only argument I find solid is the information captured by mobile spyware . Perfect piece of evidence shaped in a form of the screenshot!

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