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Heinberg: Sooner or Later, We Have to Stop Economic Growth — and We’ll Be Better for it

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Both the U.S. economy and the global economy have expanded dramatically in the past century, as have life expectancies and material progress. Economists raised in this period of plenty assume that growth is good, necessary even, and should continue forever and ever without end, amen. Growth delivers jobs, returns on investment and higher tax revenues. What’s not to like? We’ve gotten so accustomed to growth that governments, corporations and banks now depend on it. It’s no exaggeration to say that we’re collectively addicted to growth.

The trouble is, a bigger economy uses more stuff than a smaller one, and we happen to live on a finite planet. So, an end to growth is inevitable. Ending growth is also desirable if we want to leave some stuff (minerals, forests, biodiversity and stable climate) for our kids and their kids. Further, if growth is meant to have anything to do with increasing quality of life, there is plenty of evidence to suggest it has passed the point of diminishing returns: Even though the U.S. economy is 5.5 times bigger now than it was in 1960 (in terms of real GDP), America is losing ground on its happiness index.

So how do we stop growth without making life miserable — and maybe even making it better?

To start with, there are two strategies that many people already agree on. We should substitute good consumption for bad, for example using renewable energy instead of fossil fuels. And we should use stuff more efficiently — making products that last longer and then repairing and recycling them instead of tossing them in a landfill. The reason these strategies are uncontroversial is that they reduce growth’s environmental damage without impinging on growth itself.

But renewable energy technology still requires materials (aluminum, glass, silicon and copper for solar panels; concrete, steel, copper and neodymium for wind turbines). And efficiency has limits. For example, we can reduce the time required to send a message to nearly zero, but from then on improvements are infinitesimal. In other words, substitution and efficiency are good, but they’re not sufficient. Even if we somehow arrive at a near-virtual economy, if it is growing we’ll still use more stuff, and the result will be pollution and resource depletion. Sooner or later, we have to do away with growth directly.

Getting Off Growth

If we’ve built our institutions to depend on growth, doesn’t that imply social pain and chaos if we go cold turkey? Perhaps. Getting off growth without a lot of needless disruption will require coordinated systemic changes, and those in turn will need nearly everyone’s buy-in. Policymakers will have to be transparent with regard to their actions, and citizens will want reliable information and incentives. Success will depend on minimizing pain and maximizing benefit.

The main key will be to focus on increasing equality. During the century of expansion, growth produced winners and losers, but many people tolerated economic inequality because they believed (usually mistakenly) that they’d one day get their share of the growth economy. During economic contraction, the best way to make the situation tolerable to a majority of people will be to increase equality. From a social standpoint, equality will serve as a substitute for growth. Policies to achieve equity are already widely discussed, and include full, guaranteed employment; a guaranteed minimum income; progressive taxation; and a maximum income.

Meanwhile we could begin to boost quality of life simply by tracking it more explicitly: instead of focusing government policy on boosting GDP (the total dollar value of all goods and services produced domestically), why not aim to increase Gross National Happiness — as measured by a selected group of social indicators?

These are ways to make economic shrinkage palatable; but how would policymakers actually go about putting the brakes on growth?

One tactic would be to implement a shorter workweek. If people are working less, the economy will slow down — and meanwhile, everyone will have more time for family, rest and cultural activities.

We could also de-financialize the economy, discouraging wasteful speculation with a financial transaction tax and a 100 percent reserve requirement for banks.

Stabilizing population levels (by incentivizing small families and offering free reproductive health care) would make it easier to achieve equity and would also cap the numbers of both producers and consumers.

Caps should also be placed on resource extraction and pollution. Start with fossil fuels: annually declining caps on coal, oil and gas extraction would reduce energy use while protecting the climate.

Cooperative Conservatism

Altogether, reining in growth would come with a raft of environmental benefits. Carbon emissions would decline; resources ranging from forests to fish to topsoil would be preserved for future generations; and space would be left for other creatures, protecting the diversity of life on our precious planet. And these environmental benefits would quickly accrue to people, making life more beautiful, easy and happy for everyone.

Engineering a happy conclusion to the growth binge of the past century might be challenging. But it’s not impossible.

Granted, we’re talking about an unprecedented, coordinated economic shift that would require political will and courage. The result might be hard to pigeonhole in the capitalist-socialist terms of reference with which most of us are familiar. Perhaps we could think of it as cooperative conservatism (since its goal would be to conserve nature while maximizing mutual aid). It would require a lot of creative thinking on everyone’s part.

Sound difficult? Here’s the thing: ultimately, it’s not optional. The end of growth will come one day, perhaps very soon, whether we’re ready or not. If we plan for and manage it, we could well wind up with greater well-being. If we don’t, we could find ourselves like Wile E. Coyote plunging off a cliff. Engineering a happy conclusion to the growth binge of the past century might be challenging. But it’s not impossible; whereas what we’re currently trying to do — maintain perpetual growth of the economy on a finite planet — most assuredly is.

Originally published at Ensia.

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Living in the Concretaceous Period

ray troll geologic eras

Scientists long ago determined that Earth had entered the Anthropocene period, based on a determination that humans were altering fundamental planetary parameters such as biodiversity and the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans to the degree that it warranted an entirely new geological designation. Following another millennium of observation and analysis, skilled observers now tend to divide the Anthropocene into brief but distinct phases, including the Concretaceous, the Hellocene, and the current Depletozoic—which began centuries ago and appears likely to persist until the next awful thing happens.

While biologists have long agreed that humans are the dominant lifeform of the Anthropocene, some geologists now argue that, during the pivotal Concretaceous phase, it was the automobile that served as the true apex species. It was for the sake of automobiles that concrete—the signature rock stratum of the Concretaceous—was laid down over millions of square kilometers of landscape. The automobile served as a kind of exoskeleton for Concretaceous humans, as well as a status symbol, and it was for the powering of automobiles that millions of years’ worth of ancient sunlight, stored in the form of petroleum, was wrenched from the ground and combusted—thus altering the climate and triggering the swarm of events that led to the second phase of the Anthropocene, the Hellocene.

This latter observation has led some historians to explore the evolution of the automobile, from the primitive Stutzes and Locomobiles that rolled the primordial roads of the early Concreteaceous, all the way to the sleek Teslas and other electric cars that began to proliferate just as the swiftly intensifying events of the brief Hellocene brought the Concretaceous to a hot, chaotic end. At the thin Concretaceous-Hellocene boundary, there is some evidence to suggest the nascent evolution of driverless automobiles—which might eventually have made humans themselves obsolete, had not the catastrophic dawning of the Hellocene marked the extinction of the automobile itself, as well as the disappearance of millions of plant and animal species and the near-extinction of humans.

So many puzzles remain. Why were humans in the Concretaceous phase unable logically to foresee the inevitable consequences of their collective behavior? Why were humans so fascinated by automobiles that they were willing to imperil so many other creatures? What was the function of the small rectangular boxes that late Concretaceous humans seemed to carry with them at all times? Were they merely generic votive objects, or did they enable communication with distant spirits, as legend insists? Perhaps we will never know. Ongoing research can still teach us much about the strange ways of the powerful but doomed people of the early Anthropocene.

Heinberg



146 Comments on "Heinberg: Sooner or Later, We Have to Stop Economic Growth — and We’ll Be Better for it"

  1. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 6:48 pm 

    The Young Left’s Anti-Capitalist Manifesto

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-young-lefts-anti-capitalist-manifesto/

  2. Anonymouse on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:11 pm 

    But mak, Davyturd has defeated all the gang-bangers. Maybe bringing out all these new, and old socks, is his way of celebrating?

    Or maybe, hes just hitting the moonshine and rotgut a little more than usual today? Who knows…

  3. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:24 pm 

    Mak

    The US ruling class will imprison, ruin and kill anyone and everyone and burn it all down before they relinquish power..

    You have no idea what you are up against!

  4. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:25 pm 

    Oil Discoveries Recover, But Still Far From Replacing Output

    Still, new finds won’t be enough to alleviate concerns of a supply shortage by the middle of the next decade.

    Even if explorers were to discover about 10 billion barrels of oil and gas this year, they would only replace about 21 percent of the volumes that will be produced globally, up from 18 percent last year, said Nils-Henrik Bjurstrom, a product portfolio manager at Rystad.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-26/oil-discoveries-recover-but-still-far-from-replacing-output

  5. Davy on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:38 pm 

    You started all this years ago makatoo when you posted a link to deagle dot com. That made me go mentally insane. So it’s all your fault idiot.

  6. boney joe on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:47 pm 

    “You started all this years ago.”

    DavyScum, you are such a whiney little bitch. Someone needs to pound you into pulp.

    You’re an effeminate, lying, hypocritical douche-bag.

  7. Mitch on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:52 pm 

    Umm Davy, you weren’t really sane before makati1 posted that link. Everyone here knew that you had, shall we say, challenges.

  8. boney joe on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:53 pm 

    Having a particularly bad day, DavyTurd? What a shame your fake old lady isn’t around to beat the shit out of.

  9. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:53 pm 

    boney joe on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:47 pm

  10. makati1 on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:56 pm 

    MOB, the US is toast. 3rd world in a few years. You are as delusional as your daddy, Davy.

  11. Davy on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 7:59 pm 

    I’m going to bed now dumbasses. To read my word salad essays over and over again that I saved to my notes. All posts from now on are not me.

  12. twocats on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 8:30 pm 

    for anyone with lingering doubts that humanity is filled with delusional morons – chew on this piece of grass

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marshall-medoff-the-unlikely-eccentric-inventor-turning-inedible-plant-life-into-fuel-60-minutes/

    that’s right folks – biomass ethanol from electron accelerators. It’s definitely going to work this time – and its totally new – and its folksy, so also inherently good and not latte sipping coastal elitist or anything

  13. twocats on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 8:34 pm 

    taken from energy skeptic for the story

    http://energyskeptic.com/2019/60-minutes-promotes-what-is-probably-a-cellulosic-biomass-scam-on-2019-1-6/

    crazier and crazier. you almost see peak oilers forgetting that we are in complete EROI collapse – almost as if the world isn’t ending right before our eyes.

    but I’m sorry, boney joe this davy makatoo that, I forgot this is a bizarre S*M site where people torture themselves for hours with weird back-and-forths that literally NO ONE cares about – no one. ….

    no one

  14. boney joe on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 9:13 pm 

    Dearest DavyScum:

    Thanks for letting everyone know you’re now taken to the bed.

    What a delusional dumb fuck to think anybody gives a shit when you go nighty night or when you take a crap. Only a pathetic lowlife would obtain their meaning in life through an anonymous screen name.

  15. Anonymouse on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 9:31 pm 

    !

  16. Bloomer on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 10:15 pm 

    A no growth economy, sorry Dr. Heinberger it’s a non starter. In a tickle down economy, the power to change is in the hands of those at the top. They control the mass media, the governmental bodies, the military and both the justice and financial institutions. Stick a fork in us ,we are done.

  17. makati1 on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 11:01 pm 

    Oh, we are in, or headed for, a “no growth” economy. But it will not be pleasant for those not prepared. Those who rely on JIT deliveries of everything they need. Who live in “underwater” houses with a ton of debt holding them in place. That describes most Americans. OUCH!

  18. TheNationalist on Wed, 23rd Jan 2019 11:19 pm 

    Meanwhile here in South Australia a nearby town just smashed its all time temp record and got to over 49Celcius.
    Adelaide also reached a new record of over 47.7Celcius.
    If half what the global warming doomers say is true we are all in deep shit.
    Get your bunkers ready and stockpiled cos this shits gettin’real yeehaw!

  19. Cloggie on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:11 am 

    Hydrogen powder (NaBH4), a new angle to the energy storage problem:

    http://www.h2-fuel.nl/en/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/11/23/hydrogen-powder-nabh4/

    The inventor has the interest and backing of the Dutch government:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtVgFAktXQs

    At [1:02] the inventor and minister of economic affairs listening to him.

    We are lucky to have a trained mechanical engineer from Delft as the minister of economic affairs, who understands these kind of things:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Wiebes

    https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/46670/waterstofpoeder-ver-rijden-voor-weinig

    Komend jaar wordt gestart met een tweetal proeven. De prijs voor een kilo H2Fuel komt voor de verbruiker op ongeveer 1,65 euro. Let wel: een doorsnee personenauto met H2Fuel als basis zou ongeveer 240 kilometer ver kunnen komen op één kilo geladen waterstof.

    Price 1 kg H2Fuel 1.65 euro/kg. Range 240 km per kg.

  20. deadly on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 3:21 am 

    Plenty of room for growth for McDonald’s in India.

    https://www.mcdonaldsindia.com/

    Oil is going to be used in agriculture to grow crops. If there is no oil, the entire world’s ag systems will quickly hit the skids.

    Fossil fuels power civilization, if fossil fuels become scarce, every single nation collapses overnight.

  21. Cloggie on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 3:35 am 

    “Fossil fuels power civilization, if fossil fuels become scarce, every single nation collapses overnight.”

    Unless they switch to renewables.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/16/blueprint-100-renewable-energy-base-for-germany/

  22. JuanP on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 5:15 am 

    “In what looks like a silver lining, it appears Beijing has finally accepted the fact that it needs to shift its policies toward more market-oriented reforms if it wants to alleviate the overwhelming debt burden constraining its economy. But unfortunately for many of these private firms, this realization might have happened too late, as defaults in the world’s second largest economy – particularly among small- and medium-sized corporate enterprises – continue to soar.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-21/private-firms-squeezed-brutal-credit-crunch-china-struggles-unprecedented-slowdown

  23. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 5:42 am 

    Zerohedge? Bad stuff about Europe or China?

    I take all that terrible shit I said about you back Juan. Let’s be BFF.

  24. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:03 am 

    “Energy Transition Will Upend Geopolitics”
    https://tinyurl.com/yag8opom
    https://tinyurl.com/ya4a6xmd
    https://tinyurl.com/y7p777pj

    “Renewables will also be a powerful vehicle of democratization because they make it possible to decentralize the energy supply, empowering citizens, local communities, and cities,” the IRENA report said.”

    “Renewable energy sources have nearly zero marginal costs, and some of them, like solar and wind, enjoy cost reductions of nearly 20% for every doubling of capacity,” the IRENA report argues. That is radically different from natural resources, where higher demand drives up prices due to scarcity.”

    “Needless to say such a one-trick pony is in serious trouble unless it undertakes a dramatic economic transformation. Other countries that could see disruptions from the clean energy transition include Qatar, Libya, Angola, the Republic of Congo, Kuwait and the UAE, and to a lesser extent Russia, Iran, Algeria and Azerbaijan. The problem is that many of these countries are going in the opposite direction, double-downing on oil and gas even in the face of increasing risk. Despite the much-hyped Saudi Vision 2030 announced a few years ago, the now-maligned crown prince Mohammed bin Salman seems to be backing off the lofty goals of his transformation plan.”

    “In fact, there is perverse logic at play. Saudi Arabia is not at all in denial about the onset of peak oil demand and the rise of renewable energy. “The energy transition and threat that oil demand may peak in the next 20 years has concentrated minds. Even the lowest-cost producers don’t want to run the risk of leaving low-cost oil in the ground,” WoodMac’s Jessica Brewer said in a commentary. Saudi Arabia is scrambling to funnel money into its oil sector so that it can be one of the last producers standing on the other side of peak oil demand.”

    “The U.S., China, the EU and Japan are in much better positions. The U.S., for instance, is the world’s largest oil producer and the world’s largest natural gas producer. Companies in these sectors will lose out over time as fossil fuels are phased out. But the U.S. is also “well positioned in the clean energy race,” the IRENA report argues. “U.S. companies hold strong positions in new technologies, including robotics, artificial intelligence, and electric vehicles.”

  25. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:04 am 

    I posted this article because it came off Oil Price Dot Com a fossil fuel site. While I am on the bandwagon of a renewable energy transformation I am not yet sold on a transition. There are too many holes in the idea. For one it is debatable if we can afford to go the full over 90% that we might fudge as a “transition”. There are still plenty of fossil fuels to harvest so we might consider the 10% fossil fuel component as legit and still call it a transition. Let’s say we can carbon scrub the remaining 10% and use it as a component of a clean future. The cost of storage and reconfiguring of vehicle stock including heavy transport along with Ag and construction is huge. Truck transport might be shifted to trains to take up the slack. The airline industry is doubtful as a transition medium but maybe hydrogen could make air transport feasible along with electric. We could take AG and mining electric but these are expensive compared to ICE. It is possible a liquid fuel that is part renewable derived and fossil fuel could stretch the envelope for these components.

    The rich poor divide is also an issue. Even though the cost is coming down with componentry the cost goes up significantly once you go over 50%. When you go over 50% you need behavior changes in the form of demand management. You need a smart grid and storage to deal with intermittency. It is not clear yet behavior can adapt. Efficiency efforts are expensive. Retrofitting housing stock with heating and cooling are huge. You need a rich educated population to embrace intermittency on the technical side. We don’t even have consensus yet fossil fuels should be moved away from. Let’s say we could designate less vital areas and rural areas as intermittency areas. They would learn to live with intermittency of the non-technical kind by just being shut down when intermittency happens. Their grid would be less expensive. In many areas of the world the grid is already marginal so these places won’t need the huge investment called for by rich areas that need 100% reliability of the grid. So are we going to call a transition just the rich world’s transition? Even within the rich world there are poor areas so will they also be shut out? Can the world transition to renewables if only part of it does? Rich areas are rich because of resource support from many poor areas.

    In regards to climate the question remains, “Is It Too Late”? Has self-reinforcing feedback loops been initiated? We also see emissions continue to go up even though renewables have come on strong along with a reduction in coal. We are not seeing results yet from the renewable transformation. We don’t even have consensus climate change is an issues yet. If climate destabilizes will that derail a renewable transition? A renewable transition will need a robust affluent global economy to be maintained. The componentry requires a technical and wealthy global economy. Sure the basic componentry is getting cheaper but it will be the more expensive aspects of a transition that is over 50% primary energy penetration that will remain expensive. These are storage and vehicle stock changeovers. We will need robotics and expensive computer power. Do we have enough resources to do this especially if climate disrupts the global economy? One big question is will Ag survive the disruption that may be coming to global climate. Without huge AG monocultures and the vast transport networks supported by capitalistic vehicles of exchange society will make the wrong kind of transition to a die down. These are holes that I don’t see answers for yet.

  26. The pervert juanp speaks on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:06 am 

    Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 5:42 am
    Zerohedge? Bad stuff about Europe or China? I take all that terrible shit I said about you back Juan. Let’s be BFF.

  27. JuanP on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:08 am 

    I am back, bitches! I just got back from a surfing vacation in Costa Rica. I am recharged and refreshed, and ready to continue fucking with the Exceptionalist and his multiple personalities for the foreseeable future.

  28. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:10 am 

    JuanP give it a rest we know you are a stupid playboy surfer bitch from Miami Beach. Can you say something intelligent is the question? Say something worthwhile or get off here, Bitch.

  29. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:18 am 

    Another incredible word salad essay by me above.

    Saved to my notes.

  30. This is me Juan Peon on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:49 am 

    Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 6:18 am
    Another incredible word salad essay by me above. Saved to my notes.

    This is me Juan Peon. I can’t write anything beyond a few lines because I am a surfer bich who plays at the beach. I am uneducated so this is the biggest part of my problem. I only got a GED but I am playboy street smart complete with the asshole attitude. I am Asperger so that is part of the problem too. I hate people and I hate davy because he makes me look little and stupid.

  31. boney joe on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 7:17 am 

    Good Morning DavyScum:

    Thanks so much for letting everyone know when you have taken to the bed. You know how we worry someone may come pay you a visit one night and plant a clawhammer into the back of your thick skull.

    Can you imagine the parade of suspects that would have to be interviewed?

  32. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 7:40 am 

    “An All-Renewable Grid Is Economically Superior To Mixed Generation”
    https://tinyurl.com/yajb8bas
    2017 US energy flow https://tinyurl.com/y98e9k6v

    Article
    “100% Clean and Renewable Wind, Water, and Sunlight All-Sector Energy Roadmaps for 139
    Countries of the World”
    https://tinyurl.com/ybmt5x66

    “One of the ongoing arguments that the forces opposed to dealing with climate change make is that transitioning the grid to renewables will be economically devastating. A nuance that’s emerging is that a mixed grid with lots of fossil fuels is economically superior.”

    “Getting energy to where it is needed is a moderately trivial exercise, although one that people keep bringing up as if a tiny town in Alaska or an isolated island is where everyone lives. The current reality is continent-scale grids bringing electricity from near the Arctic Circle in Canada and Scandinavia into New York and Paris, wind generation from the Prairies and offshore to the populated coasts and solar generation from the south to the north. High voltage direct current (HVDC) is going from strength to strength, with China just unveiling a massive new 1.1 KV HVDC transmission line using ABB transformers. China is even proposing seriously, at a very high level, a global polar HVDC continental backbone to share electricity around the more populous northern hemisphere.”

    “Summary It’s clear that shifting to a renewable economy is viable, will have economic consequences for a subset of industries, and will be economically beneficial in multiple ways. Why wouldn’t this be obvious, now that it’s been laid out as such above? Because there are vested interests who are going to be losers in the transition, the fossil fuel industry. They are spending billions to ensure that the transition is as slow as possible, which also means maximizing the negative externalities for all sectors of the economy. There’s really no reason to assess a mixed economy, except to say that by definition we will have a mixed economy for the duration of the transition, and there will undoubtedly be a long tail. The transition will likely be 80% complete in the second half of the 21st Century and probably 90% to 98% by 2100, but that last 1% to 2% will linger a long time.”

  33. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 7:40 am 

    I posted this article because from what I know and read here on this forum from a technical, social, and affordability standpoint this above article is fake green hopium. We have the techno-optimistic cornucopians that tell us it is all so easy and true but they are not telling us the whole picture. They gives us a technology here and there that supposable will be the magic piece of the puzzle yet they lack a whole system picture of what this will take and the understanding what it is taking to keep the global economy going now. It is these type of articles that are promoting a green transition that is not realistic in cost and scope. It does not deal with the behavioral changes needed. It is not dealing with the holistic scale of the changeover of primary power which includes transport. They assume we can afford it. Nonetheless at least it is a policy effort that can compete with the fossil fuel industry that is not interested in pursuing a green future.

  34. Juan pervert sock puppet on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 7:41 am 

    boney joe on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 7:17 am

  35. Dredd on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 8:50 am 

    The ghost growth in the big water is alarming (The Ghost Photons – 2).

  36. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 11:53 am 

    We all know that opinions are like assholes. Everybody has them.

    The above is my opinion. Nothing more.

  37. Twocats on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:21 pm 

    The powers are making a big push to overthrowthe Venezuela regime. Reminds me of Iraq when oil production forecasts were skidding out in 1999.

  38. The board pervert JuanP said this on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:23 pm 

    Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 11:53 am We all know that opinions are like assholes. Everybody has them.

  39. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:26 pm 

    Juan Pervert, If you can’t contribute leave. This means here and my country. Illegal aliens like you are not welcome. Deport the pervert JuanP movement.

  40. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:35 pm 

    Sorry for losing my shit again everyone.

    I just get so emotional sometimes that I have no control over other peoples’ lives. I feel like crying.

  41. Board pervert JuanP said this on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 1:27 pm 

    Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 12:35 pm Sorry for losing my shit again everyone. I just get so emotional sometimes that I have no control over other peoples’ lives. I feel like crying

    Get out of here scumbag

  42. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 1:35 pm 

    “Get out of here scumbag”

    I’m not going anywhere “Board pervert JuanP”.

  43. JuanP on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 2:05 pm 

    I don’t have to be a pervert but I like to be one. It fits my low IQ intelligence level. Ask me the last time I made a comment that said something. Lol, don’t bother I can’t remember but I surfed yesterday, bitches.

  44. Davy on Thu, 24th Jan 2019 8:28 pm 

    For somebody who says that he’s pushing sixty, I most certainly do have an obnoxiously foul mouth and obvious sexuality issues.

  45. Cloggie on Sat, 26th Jan 2019 6:57 am 

    Recommended calorie intake to keep your weight:

    Adult man: 2500 kcal (office life)
    Adult man: 1800 kcal (24h in bed)
    At 2000 kcal you lose a pound per week.

    Now the reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake

    Austria…..3800
    USA………3750
    Italy…….3650
    Germany…..3540
    Russia……3320
    Holland…..3000
    Nigeria…..2710
    Venezuela…2650 (good days)

    https://www.upi.com/Venezuela-75-of-population-lost-19-pounds-amid-crisis/2441487523377/

    75% of Venezuela lost 20 pounds or more, because they had less than 2000 kcal per day over the past few years.

    During the nineties Russians were also very slim.

    Upshot: leftist government/economic depression = giant weight watching program. You gotta give’m that.

  46. Cloggie on Sat, 26th Jan 2019 7:58 am 

    Sony moves HQ from Britain to Holland over Brexit fears:

    https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/sony-leave-london-hq-amsterdam-brexit-disruption/

    More companies to follow, the longer Westminster postpones the inevitable decision.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6634113/PETER-OBORNE-Theresa-calm-Britains-nerves-MPs-her.html

    Message from Holland to Britain: we would love to see Shell and Unilever to come home as well.

    And British Airways is welcome to use Amsterdam Airport too, perhaps after a name change first, like for instance “the Flying Dutchman” or “New Amsterdam Airways”, the possibilities are endless.

    It could also provide the required impetus to finally get “Flyland” started, a new airport at sea:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/27/flyland-dutch-airport-at-sea/

    If Britain wants to avoid:

    – many companies moving to continental Europe
    – socialist Britain under Corbyn
    – become the 51st US state
    – participate in WW3 at the losing side
    – GDP losing 8%

    …sign the damned May-deal and do it fast!

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