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France Wants To Get Rid of Diesel Fuel


France wants to gradually phase out the use of diesel fuel for private passenger transport and will put in place a system to identify the most polluting vehicles, Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on Friday.

Next year, the government will launch a car identification system that will rank vehicles by the amount of pollution they emit, Valls said in a speech. This will make it possible for local authorities to limit city access for the dirtiest cars.

“In France, we have long favoured the diesel engine. This was a mistake, and we will progressively undo that, intelligently and pragmatically,” Valls said.

About 80 percent of French motorists drive diesel-powered cars.

Valls said taxation would have to orient citizens towards more ecological choices, notably the 2015 state budget measures to reduce the tax advantage of diesel fuel versus gas.

The government has announced it will raise the so-called TICPE excise tax on diesel by 2 euro cents per litre, bringing in 807 million euros to state coffers in 2015.

Valls also said the government was working on plans to widen the number of beneficiaries of a subsidy for the conversion of old diesel engines in areas with anti-pollution plans.

Energy Minister Segolene Royal announced earlier this year that drivers scrapping diesel-powered cars to buy an electric one would be entitled to a bonus of up to 10,000 euros ($13,500).



20 Comments on "France Wants To Get Rid of Diesel Fuel"

  1. JuanP on Fri, 28th Nov 2014 7:14 pm 

    And they will get rid of Diesel, it is only a matter of when. I suspect that when the time for that comes they won’t be too happy about it, though.

    But Europe’s premodern infrastructure will come in handy after collapse. All those small farms and hill villages will be fine, just a little overcrowded for a while.

  2. Plantagenet on Fri, 28th Nov 2014 7:14 pm 

    Its been a disgrace for years that the EU uses diesel fuel for passenger vehicles. Diesel produces the GREENHOUSE warming effect in two says—it releases CO2 and it produces abundant particles of carbon (dark carbon) that are helping to melt arctic sea ice.

  3. Makati1 on Fri, 28th Nov 2014 7:15 pm 

    Another example of French stupidity. Simply raise the cost of Diesel by 100% over a few years and watch the switch happen.

    If they cannot afford the new cars, it will not happen anyway. Governments have no idea how to make things simpler, just more complicated, requiring more bots to tick the boxes and fill out the forms.

  4. Makati1 on Fri, 28th Nov 2014 7:19 pm 

    JuanP, I hope you are right for your sake. I see another war in Europe in the next decade. Or a series of smaller ‘disagreements’ between collapsing governments. History tells the tale. How many times in 2000 years has there NOT been a war for this long (70 years) between European countries?

  5. Makati1 on Fri, 28th Nov 2014 7:26 pm 

    Plant, ONE mining machine uses diesel and produces much more carbon than even a hundred cars. Ditto for ANY diesel powered machine. (Most of them) Then there are the army tanks, trucks, personnel carriers, mortars, highway trucks, buses, construction equipment, mining equipment, drilling rigs, electric generators, and on and on. They ALL function for many more hours per day than most cars and produce the same pollution and soot.

  6. dubya on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 12:33 am 

    During the Beijing Olympics one weakness of diesel passenger vehicles was exposed – Diesel is used in vehicles that ‘have’ to run – trucks, buses, airplanes so the price increases and businesses pay – and so do the drivers. On the other hand gasoline is used in personal automobiles, and when the price increases people reduce their driving so demand falls. In other words diesel prices go up a lot faster than petrol.

  7. Shaved Monkey on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 1:07 am 

    Would have thought diesel electric hybrid would have been the logical transition.

    300mpg Diesel-Electric Hybrid Unveiled by Volkswagen

  8. Makati1 on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 1:25 am 

    dubya, maybe that is true in the US, but here in the Philippines diesel is a dollar per gallon cheaper (~$4) than gasoline (~$5)and has been for the 6 1/2 years I have lived here. Their prices vary in lockstep but have not changed more than $0.25 either way in those 6 1/2 years. Maybe the tax structure in the US is different for diesel vs gasoline?

  9. Makati1 on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 1:41 am 

    Shaved, pretty car for two people and after some research, I tracked down an “…ESTIMATED BASE PRICE (EUROPE): $50,000.00…” That requires a $100,000.00++ annual income to purchase and I suspect the US price will be higher. Another toy for the rich and the pretend rich. Not for the masses. I doubt 100,000 will ever be sold in the US or anywhere.

    Not even in production yet and that article was in February 2011.

    “For now, all the XL1 does is make a statement—it’s still a prototype. But VW Group chairman Martin Winterkorn promised it will be available by 2013 “at an affordable price.” We guess that will be somewhere around the equivalent of $50,000. Qatar won’t get it—and the U.S. probably won’t, either—but this is just the thing European eco-warriors have been waiting for.”

    Europe’s eco-warriors need jobs, not luxury cars.

  10. davep on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 2:56 am 

    The reason why most French cars currently use diesel is because after WWII there was a glut of diesel and de Gaulle gave it preferential taxation compared to petrol (gasoline) and no one has ever dared remove the differential. So diesel will cost about 120 cents/litre compared to 140 cents/litre for petrol.

    Raising the diesel tax by 2 cents/litre won’t change much.

    And there are some very efficient little turbo-diesel engines used in French cars due to this skewed pricing.

  11. Norm on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 3:26 am 

    Dont outlaw diesel….
    diesel exhaust smells good.

    Don’t you know about scented candles… they are usually flavored for women… “Lilac Patch”, “Red Roses” etc etc.

    When it comes to men’s scented candles, “Diesel Engine” is one of the tops, along with “Wet Dog” and “Chain Saw”.

    It makes no sense to get rid of diesel, that would be like getting rid of steam engines.

    Have you people no sense of decency?

  12. J-Gav on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 3:45 am 

    No mention of the real scam here.

    Back in 2000, PSA (Peugeot-Citroën) came out with their miraculous Additive Particulate Filter for diesel cars. Within a few years it was generalized.

    I spoke with some of the engineers from PSA at the time and they explained it was just a marketing gimmick. All it does is break up the particles into finer pieces. Which means that the heavier particles of yore, lingered close to the ground and affected mainly dogs, whereas the finer particles stay suspended longer and higher in the air – thus affecting children first but also adults..

    The result? Allergies, asthma and other respiratory ailments have soared and, in some cases, have no doubt killed.

    In 2011 the EU Commission, in its wisdom, went so far as to make these filters mandatory on diesel cars. Now, less than 5 years later, France admits there’s kind of a problem but of course without actually putting their finger on it.

  13. dolanbaker on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 5:50 am 

    In most European countries, Diesel is significantly cheaper than petrol and due to the higher energy content in diesel, fuel consumption is much lower.

    A diesel car will go about 30% further on a €100 tank of fuel relative to the petrol model of the same car.

    To “tax them off the road” would require a severe tax hike, one that could bring people on to the streets!

  14. Shaved Monkey on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 5:59 am 

    Most 4x4s in Australia are diesel because they are more reliable,have more torque and cheaper to run.

  15. Davy on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 7:53 am 

    I love my Jetta TDI but it bothers me the $1 price differential at the pump with gas. My 42MPG hw is probably not much better than my girlfriends Yaris at 36MPG value wise.

    The issue is coal not transport fuel if you are complaining about emissions. The issue is let’s drive less. The other issue is these grandiose polices of changing out infrastructure and rolling stock when we are broke and out of time. Let us take what we have and husband it because the coming descent will be characterized by scarcity, shortages, rationing, and forced less with less.

    We still have this BAU mentality that markets, technology, innovative substitution, and time will solve these problems. What reality says is we have a paradigm shift to less with less in a bumpy descent down that could be a step of the cliff. What we must do now is mitigate and adjust and quit the traditional thinking of more with less.

    The policies we need now are prep policies at the top like we had in historic times when countries knew danger and destruction was at hand. An analogy is a war time economy much like WWII in the US with rationing or in Russia where civilians were out digging anti-tank ditches. We know the spell of BAU is strong so there is little chance of this until a reactive period well into a contraction. Sooner or later the top will mitigate and adjust.

    My point here is all these grandiose ideas we are seeing from fusion to replacing diesel are distractions from reality. That reality is contraction in an environment of less with less. Less with less when you are in limits of growth, diminishing returns and population overshoot equates to pain and suffering.

  16. Kenz300 on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 8:40 am 

    It is time to end government subsidies for fossil fuels……. and end the oil monopoly on transportation fuels.

    Some cities and states encourage bikes for transportation………. they provide safe walking and biking lanes and trails.

    Cities are polluted, congested and filled with automobiles. It is time to diversify our transportation options by making cities less auto centered and more people centered.

    Top 10 Cycling-Friendly Cities – YouTube
    Bike Friendly Cities, The Journey to School – YouTube

  17. bobinget on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 9:13 am 

    The TDI engine uses direct injection,[1][2] where a fuel injector sprays atomised fuel directly into the main combustion chamber of each cylinder,[1][2] rather than the pre-combustion chamber prevalent in older diesels which used indirect injection. The engine also uses forced induction by way of a turbocharger[1][2] to increase the amount of air which is able to enter the engine cylinders,[2] and most TDI engines also feature an intercooler to lower the temperature (and therefore increase the density) of the ‘charged’, or compressed air from the turbo, thereby increasing the amount of fuel that can be injected and combusted.[1] These, in combination, allow for greater engine efficiency, and therefore greater power outputs[2] (from a more complete combustion process compared to indirect injection), while also decreasing emissions and providing more torque[2] than the non-turbo and non-direct injection petrol engined counterpart from VAG.

    Similar technology has been used by other automotive companies, but “TDI” specifically refers to these Volkswagen Group engines. Naturally aspirated direct-injection diesel engines (those without a turbocharger) made by Volkswagen Group use the Suction Diesel Injection (SDI) label.

    Because these engines are relatively low displacement and quite compact they have a low surface area. The resulting reduced surface area of the direct injection diesel engine reduces heat losses, and thereby increases engine efficiency, at the expense of slightly increased combustion noise. A direct injection engine is also easier to start when cold,[8] because of more efficient placing and usage of glowplugs.

    Direct injection turbodiesel engines are frequent winners of various prizes in the International Engine of the Year Awards. In 1999 in particular, six out of twelve categories were won by direct injection engines: three were Volkswagen, two were BMW, and one Audi.[citation needed] Notably that year, the Volkswagen Group 1.2 TDI 3L beat the Toyota Prius to win “Best Fuel Economy” in its class.[citation needed] The TDI engine has won “Green Car of the Year award” in the years 2009 (Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 litre common-rail TDI clean diesel) and 2010 (Audi A3 TDI clean diesel) beating other various electric cars.

  18. bobinget on Sat, 29th Nov 2014 9:18 am 

    The Volkswagen group is slated to sell Ten Million
    units this 2014 year.

    If France wants to clean up air quality, let them call for cleaner diesel fuels as we have done in North America.

  19. hiruit nguyse on Sun, 30th Nov 2014 4:09 am 

    joke time…

  20. Kenz300 on Sun, 30th Nov 2014 10:38 am 

    China has made a commitment to electric and hybrid vehicles for the future.

    What China does will have a huge impact on the auto industry around the world.

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