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China today is foreign oil dependent like Germany in WW2

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The USA produced 70% of the oil in the world in WW2. 20% of the oil was produced by the Soviet Union.

The British did not surrender and used its navy to blockade Germany’s oil imports. Germany imported 60% of its oil in 1939.

In 1941, Germany only had 18% of the oil it had in peacetime.

Germany had about two months of oil in June, 1941 which forced the attempt to capture Russian oil in the Caucasus.

Romania supplied Germany with roughly 13 million barrels of oil per year between 1941 and 1943. Germany’s peak oil production (in 1944) amounted to about 12 million barrels of oil per year. OIl from all sources, including synthetic (the majority) reached a peak of 71 million barrels per year. Germany peak oil requirements for normal operations amounted closer to 95 million barrels short by 20 – 25 million barrels.

The caucusus produced 220 million barrels of oil per year. Maikop produced 19 million barrels annually, Grozny 32 million barrels, and Baku 170 million barrels — Germany only needed to restore 10% of these field’s capacity to cover its needs.

Oil was decisive for air power

There were constant fuel shortages for Germany and shortages of aviation fuel. The US and Britain had higher octane fuel which enabled planes that were 15% faster.

There is a 31 page paper on oil in WW2.
Air Command and Staff college: Turning Point: A History of German Petroleum in WW2 and its lesson for the role of oil in modern air warfare. Shawn P. Keller, Major, USAF AY11 Spring Independent Elective Advisor: Dr. Michael May

The Luftwaffe itself carried out blending of aviation gasoline, and of particular interest to them was the high-grade oil that could only be produced through the hydrogenation method rather than F-T. By January 1941, Germany had stocks of aviation fuel totaling 219.5 million gallons, of which ninety-percent was a product of the synthetic fuel industry.

By the end of 1941 aviation fuel reserves were down to 91 million gallons. Although synthetic production increased substantially in 1943 into early 1944 and boosted aviation fuel reserves, quantities never come close to the January 1941 figures. German supply would not be able to keep up with Luftwaffe demand for the rest of the war.

By most standards, Germany’s synthetic fuel was a technological wonder, and equal in quality and performance to fuel refined from oil. This was particularly true of German diesel and motor gas. Development of high-performance aviation fuel proved to be the one exception. By the 1930s, standard aviation gasoline had an octane rating of 75-80.

A breakthrough in gasoline technology occurred in the United States in 1935 that made it technically possible to produce aviation gas of up to 100 octane. By 1939, both the U.S. Army Air Corps and the RAF were using this higher-octane gasoline, allowing them to develop more powerful engines such as the Rolls Royce Merlin. The net result was that U.S. and British aircraft were now able to fly 15 percent faster, increased their long-range bomber distance by 1,500 miles, and lifted altitude ceilings by 10,000 feet.

Late in the war when German engineers were working feverishly to develop aircraft engines that could compete with the newer and faster Allied fighters. Unfortunately for Germany, Allied assaults against the synthetic fuel plants had already made production of higher-octane fuel virtually impossible. Germany never obtained aviation fuel equal in quality to the Allied air forces, and Luftwaffe aircraft development suffered greatly for it.

India and China today are more dependent upon oil

China imports 70% of its oil and India imports 87% of its oil. They mostly get the oil from the middle east which could easily be blocked with a naval blockade. The US has the stronger Navy and could apply such a blockade against China.

China is importing 9 million barrels per day.

China produces a little less than 4 million barrels of oil per day.

India produces 750,000 barrels of oil per day.

India imports 5 million barrels of oil per day.

China imports most of its oil from the middle east. If there was a conflict where China face a naval blockade then China would be cut off from most oil just as Germany was in WW2.

India also mostly imports oil from the middle east.

Unlike WW2, China can use long-range missiles to hit Saudi Arabia and US oil refineries and infrastructure to force oil shortages for everyone. They could also hit GPS satellites to reduce the effectiveness of US precision warfare.

China economy is more vulnerable to disruption.

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45 Comments on "China today is foreign oil dependent like Germany in WW2"

  1. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 11:25 am 

    Uh-oh, a history topic, there goes my night in Sofia, a city in its own estimation, too erotic, too pagan, to be called St. Sofia.lol

  2. Antius on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 12:39 pm 

    Cannot for the life of me get this comment to post! I will give a summary instead.

    I have analysed the power consumption of electric vehicles and reached a conclusion that has surprised me and challenged my previous understanding. Some 10million Tesla Model 3 EVs driving 40km per day on average; would increase UK electricity consumption by only 6%. However, if they all attempt to recharge at about the same time they would exhaust the generating capability of the grid. So in a sense, they would run on natural gas because the electricity supply would dominated by peaker plants, which tend to be open cycle gas turbines. The extra load would appear to be a synch if we had some way of ensuring that recharge cycles were well spread amongst customers. If so, 10million Tesla model 3’s driving 40km per day, would consume 57GWh per day – or 2.4GW continuous power. That is doable. Whether the average working man can afford to pay $35,000 for a Tesla is another matter entirely.

  3. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:26 pm 

    WW2 was the intentional rape of a Germany by the US, USSR and british war party around Churchill, the latter fully in the pay of a 100% jewish funded slush fund called the “Focus”. German readers interested in the history of WW2 should do what I have done during this holiday in Eastern Europe and read:

    https://www.amazon.de/Amerikas-Griff-nach-Weltmacht-Roosevelt/dp/3806112657/ref=sr_1_1

    “America’s grab for global power”

    With 29% global GDP for the US, 13% USSR, 11% British Empire, 11% Germany, 5% France, it was obvious from the start who was set up for the slaughter.

    German invasions:

    1.1 sep 1939 – Poland
    2. 7 apr 1940 – Norway
    3. 10 may 2940 – Low Countries, France
    4. 6 apr 1941 – Yugoslavia, Greece
    5. 22 jun 1941 – USSR

    For a not too bright layman the case is obvious: Germany was the agressor in all five cases.

    Except, they were not. In none of these five cases was the German motivation territorial conquest. None.

    1. Germany was forced to invade Poland because the Poles had already begun to do what they would complete to do in 1945: the complete ethnic cleansing of Germans from Poland and East-Prussia. When the Germans intervened, there were already 100,000 refugees in Germany propper. All with quiet diplomatic support from the Americans, who were using the Poles as useful idiote to instigate a war in Europe and sick British, French and Germans against each other.

    2. The British and French had to declare war on Germany on the basis of the pact they had with Poland, they were intentionally talked into by the Americans…

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/

    2. Next 9 months nothing happened, which is clear proof that nobody in Europe was keen for war, they were trapped into by hotheaded Poles and scheming Americans, lusting after a world empire. It was Churchill (described by de Gaulle in his memoires as “Roosevelt’s stadtholder”) who broke the stalemate by pushing for a naval blockade or Norway, thus blocking essential iron ore supplies via Narvik. Again the Germans were firced to intervene, not to lose the war. Tellingly, 8000 German teoops had little trouble against 25,000 British and French, who all invaded Norway at the same day.

    3. After this failure, Churchill began to exert pressure on the Dutch to give up neutrality, which they eventually did and agreed to allow overpass on Dutch territory to British and French troops. I am ashamed to admit that Dutch government weak knees really caused WW2 to start in earnest. In Holland it is a forbidden question to ask WHY the Germans invaded… because it would demolish the myth of poor neutral Dutch being attacked for no reason at all. BS: the Dutch government got what it deserved, the clueless Dutch population not so much. Hitler understood he could not escape war any longer and had no choice but to force the Alllies to peace. He let the British escape from Dunkerque in order not to escalate (he shoyld have slaughtered them all, invade Britain and arrest Churchill and London would have been 100% British today, instead of the next Sarajevo. Hitler unfortunately however could not afford to invade Britain because German intelligence detected that the Soviets were quietly mobilising and transporting massive amounts of troops to Germany’s unprotected Eastern border.

    4. The sole reason why the Germans were forced to invade Yugoslavia and Greece was because stupid Italians began to attack Albania and Greece, giving the British the opportunity to “come to the aid of the Greeks”, but in reality were using Tessaloniki to attack the only source of oil the Germans had, namely Ploesti, Romania, something that is never told during history lessons all over the goddam US empire.

    5. German intelligence knew by May 1941 that a Soviet attack was immanent. THAT was the secret behind the Hess flight, to have at least peace with the British. But half-American traitor Churchill knew what Stalin was up to and approved of it, including the demolition of the British Empire he was supposed to protect by the Americans, but didn’t. Because he was in the pay by the jewish masterminds of it all.

  4. Donald J Chump on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:41 pm 

    But I thought white-ness would ensure Germany victory. The pure white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes with their high IQs and hard work should have overcome the need for high-octane fuel, refineries, and oil fields.

    Whiteness is the cure all to all the world’s problems. We just need more white. White white white is the answer. I guess Germany just needed more white to win. Whiteness puts food in your belly and gas in your engine.

    Why didn’t the white-ness win? Not enough whites.

  5. Davy on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:42 pm 

    Here we go again with Nazis were victim whining. Copy and pasted at least 100 times. You must really be a broken man

  6. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:43 pm 

    Are the Chinese in the same role as the Germans, as the article claims?

    Yes and no.

    Yes, the US can block oil supply see lanes to China. The Red Army, the largest in the world, can and probably will respond by occupying the Philipines (sorry makati) and Australia (coal!). Iranian oil can be shipped to China via the Caspian. Russia will distribute its oil over Europe and China, depending on the attitude of the Europeans.

    Perhaps the Chinese will develop the existing pass between China and Afghanistan,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhjir_Pass

    …and create a corridor between Iran and China.

    Or perhaps their subs successfully destroy US naval vessels.

    China will switch to a war economy and has the disposal over virtually unlimited man power.

    I would kindly advise the US not to look for a fight with a country 70 times or so that of North-Vietnam.

  7. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:50 pm 

    “Here we go again with Nazis were victim whining. Copy and pasted at least 100 times. You must really be a broken man”

    But you have nothing to say against it, eh, you intellectual lightweight and impotent moderator. I can stamp you in the face as much as I like and there is nothing you can do about it, since I have total “air supremacy” in matters of history. That’s the return on investment of years of studying WW2 and you hate it.lol

    Davy doesn’t care about the historic truth, all he wants is to perpetuate the lies of his murderous empire at all cost.

    ‘My’ explanation will be general knowledge after the end of empire and you read it here first.lol

  8. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 1:58 pm 

    Clogg

    Why don’t you ask an independent historian to verify your theories?

    You know you will be laughed at and called a tin foil hat nut job..

    LMFAO!

  9. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:01 pm 

    Donald

    Its only the white liberals who have high IQ’s..White conservatives have low IQ’s..

  10. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:21 pm 

    “Why don’t you ask an independent historian to verify your theories?”

    “My” theories come from independent historians. To name a few:

    David Irving (know him personally)
    Mark Weber
    (had several emails with both)
    Viktor Suvorov
    Stephan Scheil
    Dirk Bavendamm
    Schultze-Rhonhof
    Walter Post

    I have done my work.
    I would say it is your turn to seek help.lol
    You have a problem, not me, “mastermind”, hahahaha!

  11. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:24 pm 

    Clogg

    Why don’t you ask a third party historian that is not biased?

    Why are you so scared to put your theories to the test of an independent expert?

  12. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:31 pm 

    Donald J Chimp has an opinion on WW2 too: “Why didn’t the white-ness win? Not enough whites.”

    Fascinating take, chimp!

    It is just that WW2 was an all-white affair, but schemed for by Jews.

  13. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:34 pm 

    “Why don’t you ask a third party historian that is not biased?”

    I gave you the list of unbiased historians.

    Now it is your turn to seek help from a biased marxist historian, come back to this board, make your marxist case… so I can beat you to pulp, to the amusement of all.

  14. Davy on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:40 pm 

    “Davy doesn’t care about the historic truth, all he wants is to perpetuate the lies of his murderous empire at all cost.”

    Nedernazi, when one of the most respected members of this board says: “Tired of all this…..Have some therapy if you have to.” I would think you could smell your intellectual BO.

  15. Davy on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:43 pm 

    “I have done my work.”

    Yea, it is quite an elaborate history revision that is pasted at least twice or more a month going on 4 years. It is disgusting the amount of repetitive shit you dump here.

  16. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:51 pm 

    Clogg

    Those aren’t independent experts..You have cherry picked them..Ask a real historian on reddit..Who neither of us have any connection to..Prove yourself..

    You won’t..You know your theories are all lies..You can’t handle the truth..

  17. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 2:55 pm 

    “Yea, it is quite an elaborate history revision that is pasted at least twice or more a month going on 4 years. It is disgusting the amount of repetitive shit you dump here.”

    All you have to do is refute it once to stop it. But you won’t, because you know that “this repetative shit” is the truth. By your repetative silence, you implicitly admit that this is truth, but you won’t because you prefer to be a lying repetative piece of shit. And you feel bad about that you exposed for what you are in public. A bit like DJT, who is exposed by that whore of having a willy the size of a champignon:

    https://www.geenstijl.nl/5143932/love-trumps-hate/#comments

    Scroll down

  18. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 3:10 pm 

    “Those aren’t independent experts..You have cherry picked them..Ask a real historian on reddit..Who neither of us have any connection to..Prove yourself..”

    I have my knee in your astmatic chest so you can hardly breath. I like it thst way. You have a problem, not me.lol

    You go to your marxist “historians” on reddit or whatever. They will tell you: “we good, natzis bad”. I wait patiently here tor you to come back, in the mean time sharpening my knife.

    But tell me millimind, how does it feel to be a loser?

  19. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 3:31 pm 

    Clogg

    The fact that you wont get your theories verified..Proves you are not being honest.

    I love destroying alt right low iq neckbeards..

    LMFAO!

  20. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 3:39 pm 

    “The fact that you wont get your theories verified.”

    There is no such thing as a Ministery of Truth.
    This is a unmoderated Darwinian forum and I stamp my truth in your face until you grow a pair, pick up the gauntlet and fight back.

    But of course you won’t, the pussy that you are and imporent fake “mastermind”, in reality a low IQ kindergarten dropout who probably thinks that WW2 happened in the Roman era.

  21. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 3:47 pm 

    Clogg

    Behold your Master Race!

    https://imgur.com/a/BN6Xq

    LMFAO!

  22. MASTERMIND on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 3:48 pm 

    Clogg

    Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

    “Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.”
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

    Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

  23. Antius on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 5:42 pm 

    Marxism is the opposite of liberalism, yet is usually assumed to be the same.

    Lefties are more likely to be mentally ill than conservatives. I have never met even one adherent of the political left that didn’t have some serious emotional problems. Their politics seeks to be something they cling to for emotional security. If that is what intelligence looks like, then I am happily stupid.

  24. makati1 on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 7:13 pm 

    ALWAYS pointing the finger of blame/doubt on someone else. That is the American way. They forget that the US NET IMPORTS ~4,000,000 bbls/day using their own government figures. “In 2017, U.S. net imports (imports minus exports) of petroleum from foreign countries were equal to about 19% of U.S. petroleum consumption”

    https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

    A NEED of 19% is NOT oil independent. The day is fast coming when the fraking lies end and the US becomes a major importer again, but only if Russia will sell oil to the US. BTW: China is tying up oil all over the world while the Us is in collapse. They plan ahead. Not so the US.

  25. Boney Joe on Tue, 18th Sep 2018 9:00 pm 

    DavyDonaldTurd (DDT)-

    This sums you up rather succinctly: “You must really be a broken man.”

  26. Westexasfanclub on Wed, 19th Sep 2018 7:48 am 

    Fun read. Just all of you please forget about that right/left thing. It’s sticking in the path of truth like an old fart before TSHTF.

  27. peakyeast on Wed, 19th Sep 2018 12:50 pm 

    I for one find Cloggies history lessons very entertaining and I will definitely remember them and the arguments.

    One thing history should have taught everybody is that: No government is innocent and good.

    They are always controlled and populated by the very worst people society can produce.

  28. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 1:54 am 

    @peakyeast

    You’re Danish so you probably speak German. If you have three hours to spend… Here a video where historians Schultze-Rhonhof, Scheil and Post discuss 1939, 1941 and Pearl Harbor resp.:

    https://youtu.be/B-mx7eklAuU

    It are these kind of people I have my wisdom from.

    See my post 2:21 pm for a list of names of revisionist historians.

  29. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 4:51 am 

    “It are these kind of people I have my wisdom from.”

    “It is these people I have my agenda from”

    There fixed that. Until you admit Nazi’s were not victims there is nothing to read.

  30. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 5:05 am 

    Davy, who systematically refuses to discuss history, because he knows if he does, he gets his sorry ass kicked, tries to keep a brave face by launching words as “agenda”.

    Sorry empire dave, but you already lost the discussion by not engaging in one. Empire dave’s presence on this “discussion board” has one purpose only: to attempt to “moderate and neuter” debate. But since he is not an admin he necessarily does a bad job at that, regardless of how hard he pats himself on his own back.

  31. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 5:18 am 

    Nedernazi, are Nazi’s victims? If so we have nothing to talk about. You can rant and rave all you like. Notice how no one is coming to your defense of your grand and glorious Nazi history revisions that of course support your grand fantasy PBM future. I agree traditional history of the early 20th century is flawed and full of half-truths but less so than your self-serving history revisions.

  32. fmr-paultard on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 5:39 am 

    eurotard please answer supertards question, seems reasonable a question to me. i’m confused, sometimes u say nazis are top of food chain, sometimes u say they’re victims.
    that’s reasonable and i accept both versions. i just wnat to hear it from you.

  33. fmr-paultard on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 5:40 am 

    please update the board on status of PBBM “confederation”

  34. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 6:19 am 

    “There fixed that. Until you admit Nazi’s were not victims there is nothing to read.”

    As of the mid thirties, on a strategic level, the anti-German alliance of US, USSR, UK war party was already in place after a world-wide demonization campaign led by the US. The Germans were set up for slaughter, so Europe could be colonized by the kosher run USSR and kosher run USA.

    Yes, the Germans and Nazis were victims, intentionally slaughtered by the millions:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/bullitt-reveals-in-april-1939-that-war-has-been-decided-upon/

    After 1933 they had no other intention than to take back German territories, stolen from them in Versailles and that all wanted to return to the Reich.

    Even that pos “justice” Jackson of the Nuremberg showtrial had to admit to his partners in crime that he could not find any evidence of agressive intent for the German side, exactly in line with long post above:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/justice-jackson-has-to-admit/

    But the roles are now reversed and some major scores are going to be settled. Brexit will probably ensure that the Anglo-Eurasian WW3 battle lines are fixed.

    It could very well be that Australia will suffer the same fate as Alsace-Lorraine, in that it will be used/was used to buy China c.q. France into an alliance against the US c.q. Germany.

    If China needs to be bought at all.

    The standard pattern in geopolitics is that the numbers 2, 3, 4 etc. conspire at the cost of number 1. That is what Britain did since 1500 against Spain, Holland, France and Germany, that is what the US and USSR did against Europe after 1933.

    And that is what Eurasia is going to with Anglosphere.

    Card games are usually decided at the moment the cards are dealt.

    Likewise is a war decided, not during the fiercest battles (Stalingrad, Kursk), but during the formation of alliances in advance.

    The decisive moment of WW2 was when international Jewry managed to buy the world’s first neocon, Winston Churchill, to represent Jewish, not British interests. Chamberlain only had the interest of the British empire in mind and as a conservative would mot have dreamed to ally himself with Soviet monsters. Churchill did:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/churchill-stalin-alliance-as-of-1934/

    July 1934 was th moment Germany already lost the war.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/

  35. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 6:38 am 

    “please update the board on status of PBBM “confederation””

    Update: “in the cards”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-05-25/macron-says-russia-eu-must-revisit-shared-interests-video

    https://goo.gl/images/UgfJXP

  36. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 7:07 am 

    “Yes, the Germans and Nazis were victims, intentionally slaughtered by the millions:”

    nederfraud, if this is your starting point then we have nothing to talk about. If you admit they were aggressors we can debate your fraudulent history. I might add I am curious if anyone else steps up and backs your basic thesis that Nazis were victims. I do not buy into mainstream media’s version of 20th century history but it is sounder than your self-serving neo-Nazi revisions.

  37. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 7:12 am 

    “Macron Says Russia, EU Must Revisit Shared Interests May 25th, 2018, 8:48 AM CDT”
    https://tinyurl.com/yda85umj
    “French President Emmanuel Macron says Europe and Russia must work together to improve peace and security. He made the comments during a plenary session at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, moderated by Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait. (Source: Bloomberg)”

    Where in that does a PBM emanate? Working together to improve peace is not a step towards confederation, far from it because it indicated deep hostility and distrust.

    FRAUD

  38. fmr-paultard on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 7:35 am 

    guys i’m extremely disillusioned today.
    supertard cody wilson (pbuh) is toasted! what happening to our supertards? all this business of “sky daddy” is not working out. we need to change course. on top of that PBBM “confederation” is gaining, oh my.

    We need to do something before it’s too late. look at historial precedence perhaps supremetard no longer bless america
    https://youtu.be/ASGvE_A3wB0?t=9695

  39. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 10:06 am 

    “French President Emmanuel Macron says Europe and Russia must work together to improve peace and security. He made the comments during a plenary session at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, moderated by Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait. (Source: Bloomberg)”

    Where in that does a PBM emanate?

    It really needs to be spelled out to you, now does it?

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201808301067590112-france-russia-joint-security/

    French President Emmanuel Macron has held talks with his Finnish counterpart Sauli Niinisto, discussing a number of issues including strategic relationships.

    “In terms of cybersecurity, in terms of defense, of strategic partnership, it is possible, in fact, to envisage terms of a new common architecture between the European Union and Russia,” Macron said at a joint press conference with his Finnish counterpart Sauli Niinisto.

    That implies at least an alliance. No, Macron didn’t use the term Confederation yet, it was Putin who did that:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/paris-berlin-moscow/

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/05/10/boreas-rising-paris-berlin-moscow/

    But PBM is standard Gaullist policy since 1949:

    Moi je dis qu’il faut faire l’Europe avec pour base un accord entre Français et Allemands. (…) Une fois l’Europe faite sur ces bases (…), alors, on pourra se tourner vers la Russie. Alors, on pourra essayer, une bonne fois pour toutes, de faire l’Europe tout entière avec la Russie aussi, dut-elle changer son régime. Voilà le programme des vrais Européens. Voilà le mien”.

    Charles de Gaulle (1949)

    https://www.newsbud.com/2016/12/20/the-paris-berlin-moscow-axis-shattering-the-power-of-the-atlanticist-narrative-in-eu/

    The future:

    http://www.paris-berlin-moscou.org/construction.html

  40. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 10:24 am 

    “In terms of cybersecurity, in terms of defense, of strategic partnership, it is possible, in fact, to envisage terms of a new common architecture between the European Union and Russia,” Macron said at a joint press conference with his Finnish counterpart Sauli Niinisto.”
    There is that pesky word “between” not together and or with. There is a separation not a union.

    “That implies at least an alliance. No, Macron didn’t use the term Confederation yet, it was Putin who did that”
    Bullshit, there is no alliance implied. What is implied is cooperation over the distrust that is currently the case.

    “It really needs to be spelled out to you, now does it?”
    Yes, you need a dose of reality testing don’t you distortionist?

  41. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 10:38 am 

    You can’t read, eh, Ozark hillbilly.

    https://goo.gl/images/CNUxyZ

    Nobody mentions “distrust”, oh-only you.

    in terms of defense, of strategic partnership, it is possible, in fact, to envisage terms of a new common architecture between the European Union and Russia,” Macron said

    New.Common.Defense.Architecture
    New.Common.Strategic.Partnership

    Got it?!

  42. Davy on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 11:24 am 

    nederfraud, so you’re telling me there is no distrust and separation now? LOL, you are too far gone.

  43. fmr-paultard on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 11:37 am 

    if supremetard withdrew protection for supertards then perhaps it won’t be as bad.
    https://youtu.be/ASGvE_A3wB0?t=9695

    perhaps before we’re overran by PBBM “confederation” hordes, we still can realize the 5th estate due to dumbing down of the house of islam

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13002/turkey-education-religion

  44. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 11:56 am 

    “nederfraud, so you’re telling me there is no distrust and separation now? LOL, you are too far gone.”

    Really? Who was the first foreign guest Macron invited to Versailles, no less?

    https://youtu.be/8h8nY16Oj5I

    And in what car did the guest arrive.lol?

  45. Cloggie on Thu, 20th Sep 2018 2:48 pm 

    “if this is your starting point then we have nothing to talk about.”

    Davy has created for himself an excuse again not to have a debate, he fears so much.lol

    German cities destroyed by the US: most
    US cities destroyed by the Germans: 0

    German women raped by US savages: 200,000
    American women raped by Germans: 0

    German civilians killed by the US: millions
    American civilians killed by Germans: 0

    Anglos torture Germans until today with their holohoax
    German engineers put several Americans on the moon, delivering undeserved glory.

    This hillbilly ozark sleazeball refuses to admit what really happened, although he understands very well that his murderous club was horny to set up a world empire at the cost of an innocent Germany, that merely tried to roll back what the WW1 alllies had inflicted on them in Versailles.

    But it will all come out eventually.

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