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Buenos Aires takes on the car, and it’s not alone

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The global effort to reduce reliance on gasoline and diesel may be fought on the streets of the world’s cities.

In Buenos Aires , officials are making it easier to get around by bike and public transport, even on foot, to reduce car traffic and fight climate change.

“We are increasing the level of service to make public transport sexy to the community, to make people keep choosing it to move around the city,” said Juan José Méndez, the city’s secretary of transport. While he didn’t have an estimate on the impact on refined product consumption, the effort is in line with a national drive to replace more diesel and gasoline with natural gas.

Javier Iguacel, the country’s energy secretary, has set a target of fueling 80% of urban buses and 20% of passenger cars and cargo trucks with gas by 2030, tripling vehicular consumption to 20 million cu m/d, from 6.5 million cu m/d this year. The increased use of gas as well as biofuels and electric vehicles , along with a ramp up in renewable power capacity to 20% of demand in 2025, should keep oil consumption steady at 500,000 b/d even as production increases, according to Iguacel.

He estimates crude production will double to 1 million b/d in 2023 with the development of Vaca Muerta, the country’s biggest shale play, taking exports to 500,000 b/d by that year. With less consumption, “more oil can be exported,” he said.

Cities take on fossil fuels

To lure people out of their cars — there are 1.6 million vehicles in the city of three million — Buenos Aires has installed more than 180 km of bike lanes and introduced a free bike-sharing system. Subways and trains have been air-conditioned and run more frequently. A new bus rapid transit (BRT) system has sped up commutes by up to 50% over more than 62 km of dedicated bus lanes. The next step, Méndez said, is to build and improve BRT and train links with the suburbs to encourage more of the 1.4 million people who drive in to take public transport instead.

Buenos Aires tries to boost public transport use

Buenos Aires is not alone in its efforts. In October, leaders of the Urban 20, a group of some of the world’s biggest cities, agreed at a summit in Buenos Aires to work on accelerating “a global shift away from fossil fuels toward clean and renewable energy,” according to a communiqué.

The U-20 leaders said cities can play a key role in this effort because they consume more than 75% of the world’s energy. For more mayors, sustainable transport is not just about cutting pollution, but being competitive. Robert Rivkin, Chicago ’s deputy mayor, said young adults in the US “tend now to prefer to live in the core of city where they can walk to work and take public transport,” or use ride-sharing services. “They have no interest in owning a car or commuting to the suburbs.” If cities want to attract jobs, they must cater to this demand, he said.

Even in Houston, where cars are the norm, a BRT is under construction, and there are plans to improve bike transport, said City Councilman David Robinson. In Helsinki , where 70% of people use public transport at rush hour, Mayor Jan Vapaavouri said a focus should be on avoiding sprawl by improving city centers, helping to minimize the time to get around so more people will opt to bike, walk and use public transport.

An impact on oil demand?

According to ExxonMobil ’s 2018 energy outlook to 2040, more EVs and “efficiency improvements in conventional engines” likely will lead to “a peak in liquid fuels use by the world’s light-duty vehicle fleet by 2030.” But that decline will be offset, in part, by rising demand for oil from the commercial transport and chemicals industries, it said.

Oil will continue to play “a significant role” as the global energy mix shifts to lower-carbon fuels, led by renewables , nuclear and natural gas , Kris Nygaard, an engineer with the ExxonMobil Upstream Research Co., said in a November presentation in Mendoza, Argentina . “Energy transitions take time,” he said.

Aromar Revi, a coordinating lead author of an October report by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) warning that action must be taken over the next 12 years to cap global warming at 1.5ºC, said the transition out of oil and gas , and possibly coal , could take “a generation or a little bit more than that.”

While the pace depends on how to provide energy to countries like India , where renewables capacity growth is lagging demand, meaning that coal will be used for longer than in other markets, he said oil companies should react. “The smart energy majors,” he said, “are actually transforming their portfolio so there is less focus on oil.”

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33 Comments on "Buenos Aires takes on the car, and it’s not alone"

  1. Cloggie on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 2:40 pm 

    This just in: EU announces new norms for new cars as of 2030:

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/eu-unterhaendler-einigen-sich-auf-schaerfere-co2-grenzwerte-fuer-neuwagen-a-1244254.html

    37.5% less CO2 as compared to 2021.

    Intermediary goal: 15% less CO2 in 2025.
    The goal for 2021 is 95 gram CO2/km

    Current European average: 118,5 Gram/km

    Car manufacturers will be obliged to produce more e-vehicles.

  2. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 2:59 pm 

    Clogg

    Europe is going to collapse in the next few years from a global oil shortage..There wont be anybody driving around by 2030..

    Its amazing how you can just deny substantial facts..

    https://medium.com/@Cliffhanger1983/the-collapse-of-civilization-manifesto-2039c6a5327

  3. Cloggie on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 3:12 pm 

    Buenos Aires takes on the car, and it’s not alone

    I’m meanwhile an expert on Buenos Aires. I jog every day 40 minutes on a treadmill in a company gym and to reduce boredom they have a television screen that creates the runner the illusion of running through a city or landscape. I had Munich, some city in New Zealand, a few others I could not identify.

    Since a week there is a new city. Spanish signs, peculiar taxi color scheme. Made a sport out of it in trying to identify the city while running. First I thought it was Madrid, but after some time they show a harbor, exit Madrid. Barcelona… hmmm, San Diego? Mexican city? Cuba? No, looks too good, mostly new cars. Wait a minute, they speak Spanish in South-America as well… after completing the run, Google on my iPhone… “taxis Buenos Aires”. Bingo, match!

    Nice city!

    https://www.thebubble.com/buenosaires-most-liveable-city-latinamerica/

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/south-america/argentina/buenos-aires/articles/buenos-aires-city-guide-what-to-see-do/

    Argentina is one of the best examples, together with Russia and Iceland, why I can’t be bothered too much with all these Cassandras here who claim that a financial collapse is the worst thing that can happen:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_great_depression

    A default is usually bad news for those who owned the debt, usually (wannabee) pensioners, who can’t retire as early as they had hoped. Who cares, retirement sucks anyway, only dying is worse. In case of a default, you have perhaps 10 difficult years, but at some point the sun breaks through again.

    Take Holland… right after the war in 1945 public debt was 240% GDP, almost twice the current Italian public debt, everybody calls “catastrophic” (in reality the f*ckers refuse to pay taxes, put the money in their own pockets, as a result have 2.5 times the wealth of Americans and blame the Germans for their high public debt.lol). Ten years later Dutch public debt was reduced to a very bearable 80%:

    https://biflatie.nl/wp-content/uploads/nedstaatsschuld.png

    South-America is a little bit a remote and forgotten continent, but if you bother to investigate a little, things aren’t that bad, certainly not in Argentina, Uruguay and Chile (all majority white countries). It is encouraging that a country like Argentina DOES bother to try to live up to the changing times.

  4. Cloggie on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 3:27 pm 

    Clogg, Europe is going to collapse in the next few years from a global oil shortage..There wont be anybody driving around by 2030..

    You’re an idiot, please don’t take it personal.

    I can’t hear the word “collapse” anymore, enough already. Belt-tightening is NOT “collapse”, you drama-queen.

    I grew up in the sixties, there were no cars then, life as a kid was paradise anyway. At the time we used only 30% of the electricity per capita we use now.

    One of the favorite Dutch children’s games was “stoepranden” (something like “stoop-edging” or “curbstoning”). EVERYBODY did it, because they could, because there were no f* cars!

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/stoepranden-and-peak-oil/

    Unfortunately, there is not going to be a “collapse” due to reduced supplies of fossil fuel. As I have said thousand times before, between Britain and Holland alone there is up to 23 trillion ton of coal under the North Sea, that’s 30 times more fossil fuel than entire humanity has burned throughout history and can be harvested with underground coal gasification:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/fracking-is-for-amateurs/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/underground-coal-gasification/

    There is too much, not too little.

  5. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:10 pm 

    Clogg

    Underground coal gas deposits? HAHA!

    You are grasping at straws..We cant run the world on that shit..

    You are a stupid old man..You make me laugh though..

    Maybe we can just live under the ocean as well..And drive around in driverless underwater drones powered by fart bubbles..

    LMFAO!

  6. Cloggie on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:15 pm 

    You are grasping at straws..We cant run the world on that shit..

    http://www.cluffnaturalresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2001-Review-of-UCG-Technological-Advancements.pdf

  7. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:16 pm 

    CLog

    Ignore the spin: Coal gasification is a stupid idea

    https://web.archive.org/web/20160816221747/https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/05/however-you-spin-it-coal-gasif.html

    The Opportunity Cost of Coal Gasification – One Power Plant’s Budget Bigger Than Four Bloom Energy’s
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2013/06/13/the-opportunity-cost-of-coal-gasification-one-power-plants-budget-bigger-than-four-bloom-energys/#22397430248d

  8. Cloggie on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:19 pm 

    https://www.bgr.bund.de/EN/Themen/Energie/Projekte/laufend/Kohle/Kohlevergasung_Projekt_en.html?nn=1548120

    The in-situ coal gasification, in which combustible gaseous compounds such as methane and hydrogen are produced directly from a coal deposit in combustion process by injections of oxygen and steam, makes a relevant contribution in some countries such as Uzbekistan and China. Further pilot projects, serving a better understanding of the combustion processes were successfully started in Australia, Great Britain, Canada, Poland, and South Africa.
    Current Projects:

    – GCL Projects Limited (China) operates commercialization processes in China.
    – Commercial projects in Alaska (Cook Inlet) und Canada (Swan Hills) were planned for 2015/2016.
    – The Indian government aims at developing of about 60% of the non-extractable coal reserves by application of in-situ coal gasification.

    Missing the boat again, eh?

  9. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:29 pm 

    CLogg

    2001 review HAHAH!

    You are a funny guy!

    They better start digging cause the world is going to start running out of oil real soon..

  10. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 4:31 pm 

    Clog

    Oil, coal and gas are all peaking in the next decade..Your underwater fantasy can’t make up for everything..And its not economical anyways..

  11. Davy on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 5:21 pm 

    A little dated neder?

    “You are grasping at straws..We cant run the world on that ”

    “Review-of-UCG-Technological-Advancements.pdf” – Crown Copyright 2001

    Neder, this resource and technology would have legs under it by now if it was economic. Nothingburger

  12. Antius on Mon, 17th Dec 2018 5:29 pm 

    “One of the favorite Dutch children’s games was “stoepranden” (something like “stoop-edging” or “curbstoning”). EVERYBODY did it, because they could, because there were no f* cars!”

    I have often thought that the only thing preventing people travelling almost anywhere by bike, is the presence of cars. If cars disappeared tomorrow, people would maintain plenty of mobility using bikes and velomobiles. It would be slower, but with modern bikes, it is quite possible to maintain 50kph over even ground. Velomobiles could do even better.

    “Unfortunately, there is not going to be a “collapse” due to reduced supplies of fossil fuel. As I have said thousand times before, between Britain and Holland alone there is up to 23 trillion ton of coal under the North Sea, that’s 30 times more fossil fuel than entire humanity has burned throughout history and can be harvested with underground coal gasification:”

    That assumes that the coal seams can be exploited at profitable EROI. Maybe they can, maybe not. These are deep coal seams, deep under the sea. They would need to be burned in situ, by injecting compressed oxygen. Horizontal drilling may be needed to allow the liberated coal gas to be harvested. We use fossil fuels because they provide the energy services we need at an acceptable cost. It remains to be seen if this is true for subsea coal.

  13. print baby print on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 1:43 am 

    Cllog I think you are smart guy , and you must have noticed that something is really wrong with the energy supplies these days . Yes there are deposits of frozen methane , cool under the sea, wave energy, fusion endless energy source, but cloog dont delude yourself just look the whole picture. Something is wrong with your attitude because you apriori say the collapse is not possible. Collapse is 90% inevitable and in my opinion soon unfortunately.All facts shows the same direction . We had our chance some 80year ago and we have missed it , now its too little to late

  14. anon on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 2:10 am 

    argentina, where the bankers and politicians ripped off an entire population, forced them to accept it at gunpoint (what else do you call the armed force of the state?) and threw a whole generation into poverty. argentina where they forced newspapers to stop printing prices of food because their officially nonexistent inflation was showing up in print. but hey theyre running their buses off of NG now so it’s all good!
    you people need to pull your heads out of your asses! when industrial civilization has finally collapsed (probably accompanied by years of very rough times, wars, disruption, and general shitty conditions) and trees start poking up through the pavement, then the rest of us will finally be able to breathe a bit easier. As long as your industrial beast still rules the earth for fucks sake please dont try to tell us how great some greenwashed bus system in a mega-city is, it’s insulting.
    (that rant is to the people who write and believe articles like this, not to the people running this site who collect any articles they find to also show how the deluded slaves and errand-boys of the machine are thinking)

  15. Davy on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 4:59 am 

    The feed was ruined on “How We Grow and Eat Food Is Going to Kill Us All” by someone posting a bad link so I am posting this here:

    This article is more blind liberal vegan extremism. These people are living affluent and feeling some cognitive dissonance about it so they attack an imaginary villain. Republicans and meat is a great place to start. Yes many Republicans are uneducated and science denying and industrial meat is bad. Yet, many Fake green Democrats agree with the science until the part on how to fix it. IMA there are many science denying uneducated Democrats. Fake green extremist liberal vegan Luke from GQ is just smart enough to read some studies and pull out some cliff notes to peddle his agenda. This problem goes far deeper than agriculture. Our agriculture is required to support our systematic overshoot of population and unsustainable consumption. Yes, too many people and people living in urban areas too large with too much wealth. We need to be back towards 1BIL people and much more agrarian living with some urban areas for the necessary specialization required to supply the rural farming areas with goods that cannot be produced efficiently locally. It really depends how far back we want to go. An even smaller population as semi-nomadic hunter gathers might benefit the earth even more. The earth did well with humans in this arrangement for many thousands of years. Of course we are not going back to those worlds but we need to leave the one we are in and move in that direction. Fake greens like Luke will not admit affluence is the issue. People like him that are living high energy lifestyles in comfort.

    Vegan is not the answer but it is part of the solution if applied right. A Whole Foods vegan is just shifting the problem. Industrial agriculture is vegan too. Grass fed animals where grazing is done properly is more permaculture than greenhouse raised cucumbers. Corn fed beef is the worst on the planet. That must end. Even organic foods is industrial these days. It might be less industrial but industrial civilizations allows it the field to the table existence. Permaculture that is local, seasonal, lives with intermittency, and seeks to disengage from industrial society where possible is moving towards real green.

    Man has change the world so much we are stuck with industrial living to some degree. Luke is bitching about the bad side of industrial agriculture instead of reviewing his world. This is the problem across the board with humans who are not awakened. Many are partially awakened but still deny the science when the solutions are discussed. They cannot reality test decline because it is so depressing. Think about it can Luke contemplate being poor with hard labor, Nope. That is what we are talking about. Many billions of people are already there but they are part of the overpopulation problem so just another side of the coin from Luke. We are not getting out of this trap as a civilization. We are going down the question is how fast and how hard. For many of us it is possible we might not see the worst. Our kids likely will even with proactive efforts. The reality is we should be thinking about them and we don’t. The “we” is old folks like me who like comfort and affluence. Lots of dying coming in the future and much less affluence. That would be the optimistic if we can manage through wisdom to slow this process down. The pessimistic is a sudden and hard collapse with those who survive living greatly reduced lifestyles on a destroyed planet.

  16. Davy on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 5:00 am 

    “As long as your industrial beast still rules the earth for fucks sake please dont try to tell us how great some greenwashed bus system in a mega-city is, it’s insulting.”

    My thoughts exactly

  17. Davy on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 6:06 am 

    “John Deere Unveils An Autonomous, Electric Tractor…With A Really Long Extension Cord”
    https://tinyurl.com/ybcjxuxp

    “The new tractor was unveiled in a video that demonstrates the unique way that it has been programmed to allow farmers to run it as a fully autonomous vehicle to groom their fields while laying out and retracting the 1 kilometer long onboard extension cord along the way. Pairing autonomous grooming with the extension cord has the potential to lower the capital cost of purchasing the vehicle by removing the batteries. At the same time, the autonomous capability of the vehicle ensures that it will not run over its own power cord and reduces wear and tear on the cord itself. The concept of not just a plug-in electric tractor, but a fully corded model likely sounds absurd at first mention, but with most farmers tilling the same fields day in and day out, season after season, it starts making a lot more sense. Why not invest the money that would have been spent on batteries on a few extensions of the farm’s power system that would enable the use of a plug-in electric tractor?”

  18. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 6:59 am 

    German tractor brand Fendt developed an autonomous e-tractor two years ago. No need for heavy stupid cable.

    Youtube “autonomous Fendt 516…”

  19. Davy on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 7:08 am 

    “No need for heavy stupid cable.”

    Cable has its niche for certain fields and crop types. The cable will last much longer than batteries and the replacement cost much less. Neder get out of your binary eurotard agenda. The only reason you don’t like my reference is it is an American company. This blind bias is why many of your comments are not legit.

  20. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 8:11 am 

    CLog

    Listen to what Print said above about you..Stop ignoring you ignoramus !

    Its too little to late..The ship has left the harbor and forward thinking people are steering it..

  21. Juans' evil brother from Tijuana! on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 8:44 am 

    In the coming collapse I will be prepared!. I am trained in the dark arts of male giggiloism!
    I have bookings from Mob and Juan already and they are secretly excited by the post collapse nookie!

    Also my goats are prepared!

  22. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 10:55 am 

    Cllog, you must have noticed that something is really wrong with the energy supplies these days . Yes there are deposits of frozen methane , coal under the sea, wave energy, fusion endless energy source, but cloog dont delude yourself just look the whole picture. Something is wrong with your attitude because you apriori say the collapse is not possible.

    I do NOT say that collapse is “a priori” impossible. I say that a collapse, induced by a lack of fossil fuel, is highly unlikely, because the reserves are virtually endless.

    Collapse is 90% inevitable and in my opinion soon unfortunately.All facts shows the same direction . We had our chance some 80year ago and we have missed it , now its too little to late

    What facts? I’ll give you some facts.

    Under the North Sea there are trillions of tons coal stored, that with modern technology can be easily harvested. Drill a hole; when you are at the right dept, use techniques, similar to fracking and drill horizontal. Next you inject limited amounts of air and water and you start to burn the coal where it is. The resulting methane and CO (coal-monoxide) you pump up and in a large pipe you send to either Holland or Britain and burn it in power stations and send the resulting CO2 back in a return pipe and sequester the rubbish where it came from, CO2 neutral. This is very doable. And you could contemplate this way of working if the yellow vests get a little too violent because of the cost of the energy transition.

    This is the guy behind the scheme, no fool:

    https://ukccsrc.ac.uk/membership/member/dermot-roddy

    Again, trillions of tons of coal, could fuel the world for decades, if not centuries to come.

    http://www.coalresearchforum.org/2015agm/D%20Roddy,%20Five-Quarter,%20Leeds,%2015-04-15.pdf

    https://www.ingenia.org.uk/Ingenia/Articles/b4e95d1b-949e-4f10-bdf4-768db7ed4596

    For the record, I do NOT recommend this practice, but it is nice to have this in store as a fallback scenario. And the only reason why this was found in the North Sea is because this region is one of the most drilled regions in the world. You can bet your last dollar that this opportunity exists everywhere on the planet. The potential of UCG dwarfs anything we have seen in fossil fuel exploration throughout history.

    But of course, the dyed-in-the-wool peakers on this board don’t want this to be true, because they are too heavily invested in broadcasting the peak oil supply induced collapse nonsense to wife, children, friends and what not, so for them there is no way back. I understand that. Enjoy the rest of your sorry lives in the hole you dug for yourselves since 2005 or so.

  23. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 12:16 pm 

    Clogg

    There is tons of gold buried under the ocean floor as well..But its not economical to dig it up..So it doesnt matter how much is there..It will stay there forever..And we aren’t going to substitute the entire worlds oil, gas and coal, supplies on underwater adventures..You are putting the cart in front of the horse, like you do with everything..

    And your sources are biased and laughable..

    You dont understand the difference in what is possible and what is practical. You are just so desperate to find a way out of social collapse you are latching onto anything you can grab..

  24. print baby print on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 2:27 pm 

    No cloog we have to pretend to be stupid and to join the rest of the heard is that wright. Those cornucopia lullaby are very pleasant to listen, maybe its better to die that way , with honey in your ears, I agree, but some people like to say the true no matter how painful it is.

  25. Cloggie on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 4:35 pm 

    cornucopia lullaby are very pleasant to listen, maybe its better to die that way , with honey in your ears, I agree, but some people like to say the true no matter how painful it is.

    Very poetic.

    Now try an argument.

    tic-toc-tic-toc

  26. peakyeast on Tue, 18th Dec 2018 5:21 pm 

    I must say I totally see the use of an electric cord to do semi-static work. It is perfect for many farms.

    The battery for such heavy macinery is outrageously expensive compared to the electrical cords. The battery solution should only be used in those few cases where cord is not possible.

  27. print baby print on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 1:42 am 

    Ok To be short as possible . How about this one . The elephants fields upon which this civilization exist are all discovered 50- 60 years ago ,some are much earlier. The bulk of good stuff we are getting, is from them even now, we are scraping the bottom of those fields, why because there is no alternative, if there is we wouldn’t be dependent on those fields any more. We postponed the collapse we all know here how, but for how long we will see. Those people who are telling the obvious true lack the data , and that’s why they are wrong about timing . If you can not grasp the whole picture I can not help you unfortunately

  28. Davy on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 5:16 am 

    “Elon Musk unveils prototype high-speed LA transport tunnel”
    https://tinyurl.com/y7o28zy5

    “Modified electric cars would be lowered into the tunnel and travel at speeds up to 150mph (240km/h), Mr Musk says. The tunnel has been built by Mr Musk’s Boring Company, which boasts state-of-the-art engineering techniques.”

    “How will it work? The plan envisages modified cars being lowered into the tunnel network by lifts and then slotted into tracks on the “loop”. “The profound breakthrough is very simple: it’s the ability to turn a normal car into a passively stable vehicle by adding the deployable tracking wheels, stabilising wheels, so that it can travel at high speed through a small tunnel,” Mr Musk said. “The way the loop will work is you will have main arteries that are travelling at 150mph and when you want to go to an exit, you will have an off ramp,” he added. “So you can travel the vast majority of your journey without stopping at 150mph and only slow down when you get to your exit, and then automatically transfer from one tunnel to another. It’s like a 3D highway system underground basically.”

  29. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 6:47 am 

    Davy

    Elon Musk unveils his company’s first completed tunnel in Hawthorne, and it’s not a smooth ride

    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-elon-musk-tunnel-20181218-story.html

    No autonomous driving and like riding on gravel..For a little over one mile..Its a pipe dream.

    LMFOA!

  30. Davy on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 6:55 am 

    “No autonomous driving and like riding on gravel..For a little over one mile..Its a pipe dream.”

    Na, I see a great niche application. It was bumpy but that tunnel was a short section for experimentation. It was likely low budget and for show. I think it has real potential but by now means a game changer. I would add to this system a way to charge the vehicle while it is in the tunnel.

  31. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 8:35 am 

    Davy

    go to youtube and watch ‘Thunderfoot’s video debunking the hyperloop”.

    It laughable how stupid it truly is..Only low IQ ignorant uneducated people like you are stupid enough to fall for it..

  32. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 9:17 am 

    Brand New Tesla Model S Spontaneously Combusts Twice

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Tesla-Vehicle-Catches-Fire-in-Los-Gatos-503080661.html

    The owner makes a great point..If this were to happen inside your garage it could burn down your entire house..Maybe even kill your family..

  33. Davy on Wed, 19th Dec 2018 9:20 am 

    MOB, you try too hard to peddle your hard collapse narrative. Lighten up and you have more of a following.

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