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Report from Inside a Rothschild Conference

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EPJ had a mole inside a recent insider Rothschild Conference. The conference was held on June 21-22, 2012 in Bratislava, Slovakia.

Here is the report from the EPJ mole, who attended the entire conference:

I should tell you the conference was quite interesting. It’s an annual conference organized for the most important clients of Rothschild private banking to give them a sort of “heads up” about upcoming economic events.

The most important conclusions I have, based on conversations I had and the conference speakers, are:

1.- The EU will form a fiscal and banking union and sovereignty in Europe will effectively be gone. That said, the elites are afraid of popular backlash and recognize this may be stopped in the voting booth if it’s not shoved through ASAP.

2.- China is totally screwed.

3.- Iran. There will be no war. In 2013 Ahmadinejad will go quietly and allow the democratic process to occurr. The Ayatollah will eventually go. Problem solved.

It really was amazing, how much they said agreed with the analysis I read on EPJ.

Anyway here are my notes, feel free to use anything you want:

Notes of Rothschild Conference
June 21-22, 2012

The conference began with a brief introduction of the Rothschild family. I found especially amusing their motto of “Humanism with Capitalism”. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1.
Iveta Radičová
Ex-Prime Minister of Slovakia (Until March, 2012)

Especially emphasized was the conflict between “responsible” and “irresponsible” EU countries and the need to keep them on the same page to avoid relations from deteriorating even further.
Her conclusion was that the crisis has mispriced risk (I’d say the “mispricing of risk” was what led to the crisis) has led to these “lost years” and she used the example of the constant devaluation of the Spanish Peseta, pre-Euro, as an example of what the EU must be empowered to prevent (Hmm, wonder how?).

He conclusion was an ardent call for “More European Union” as the only way to prevent wars from breaking out within Europe.

Speaker 2.
Mark Robinson
Head of Equities and Strategy, WOOD & Company

His message was loud and clear. His speech was a fervent lobby for centralization of power in Europe. He claims the EU needs a “Real Central Bank” with “real central bank powers”. However, according to Robinson, most important is the creation of a strong fiscal union. He recognized that the electorate (i.e. the people) still have the power to stop this at the voting booth, and the fear that the “people” would stop this was notable in his voice, but he also clearly stated his belief that the elite will try and push this fiscal union through ASAP. Though perhaps the election of Hollande was a slight setback, it’s nothing that can’t be overcome, the Greek election was the real worry and the pro-centralization forces have been greatly bolstered by the result of the recent Hellenic elections.

Speaker 3.
Thomas Gerhardt.
Head of the Emerging Markets & Commodities Division, Edmond de Rothschild Asset Management

1.- China
EPS growth is non-existent, but GDP continues climbing.
Between 45% – 58% of GDP consists of State investments in “Structure”. I.e. Housing…, Railways, Stations, Ports, etc.

Conclusion. There is phantom GDP growth occurring in China. He repeatedly implied major economic problems could soon become reality, if reforms are not instituted soon. The investment level in “structure” is far too high (duh) artificially inflating growth numbers.

2.- Other Emerging Markets
Invest in “Consumption” in China.
In Indonesia is high on Mitra Adiperkasa.
In Mexico very hot on Asur, airport operators, and Banorte, the healthies commercial bank.
Keppel Corp is very solid
Oil wil go up.

Speaker 4.
James McGregor
American Author, Journalist and Businessman, Bejing
Topic: China.

This guy was entertaining. Very down on China’s outlook.
Some choice excerpts:

“The hangover is coming” especially with 58% of the GDP made up of gov’t investment.
The Communist Party is like General Electric + Secret Society; i.e. they promote internally, do every thing inhouse, and suffer from bitter infighting and cliques.
“The current Chinese Model doesn’t work”
Banks control the State Owned Enterprises, which comprise 50% of the economy, and are stopping the reforms, which would consist of curbing useless investment in infrastructure and housing.
Chinese demographics are about to get very, very bad due to success of one child policy.

“China, reform or die”

Speaker 5.
Anna Stupnytska
Macro-Economist – Executive Director, Goldman Sachs Asset Management

My impression was she was the least realistic speaker of the bunch. A lot of things she said just don’t make much sense when looking at the reality of our current economic and political climate

The world is 62% developed, 25% in growth and 13% emerging or frontier.
The growth countries are:
Mexico, Korea, Turkey, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, India, and China

The “Next 11”, are the countries that Goldman Sachs lists as having the best growth potential. These countries are:
1.- Bangladesh
2.- Egypt
3.- Iran
4.- Nigeria
5.- Pakistan
6.- Philippines
7.- Mexico
8.- Turkey
9.- Indonesia
10.- Vietnam
11.- Korea

I don’t know if I buy this list. There are several failed (Pakistan) or near failed (Egypt) or about-to-be-war-torn (Iran) countries on mentioned as the next growth phenomenons.

“China will grow 7.5% until 2020” though it will “ease” its growth rate in Q3 and Q4 2012. China’s economic growth is equivalent to creating a “Greece every 11 1/2 weeks”.

EU Equities.
Spain is undervalued. It’s Cyclically Adjusted Price to Earnings Ratio is 4.7, down 74% from its previous average of 18.1
Russia would be another excellent buy, if it weren’t for corruption.
Russia’s CAPE is 5.8, down 60% from historic averages, and is one of the strongest economies currently, with a budget surplus and an 8% Debt/GDP ratio.

Speaker 6.
Alexandre Adler
Historian and journalist, specialist in international relations

“Double check everything Goldman Sachs says because a lot of it is bull shit”

The BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, China) are on their way down. The possible exception is Russia as it is a mature economy with strong figures.

Mexico will grow due to increasing North American links and investment, and the eventuality of a de facto “North American Union” (even if its existence is not explicit).

Turkey and Indonesia are better than China. There is a “turning point coming in China”
RMB will be forced to be convertible and begin a free float exchange rate. Chaos could ensue.

Pakistan is a failed state (calling out Goldman Sachs BS)

In Iran there will be no war. Ahmadinejad will leave peacefully next year and allow democracy to flourish. The Ayatollah will eventually be gone and the conflict with the west will be resolved.

Spain. Banks have been saved by Latin American activity. They need to export more to save the economy.

The EU will be create a “banking union” and common budgetary policy (i.e. fiscal union). It must in emerging markets to recover and begin to flourish again (as Germany does already).

“History and Economics are two branches of the same science, human science”
“Macroeconomics is BS, not applicable to real life

economic policy journal

10 Comments on "Report from Inside a Rothschild Conference"

  1. Bernz223 on Fri, 29th Jun 2012 8:07 pm 

    I wonder where BillT is? Since he as an opinion on everything. I’m sure he’ll call this guy a conspiracy nutjob and a peak oil/climate change/flying spagetti monster denier. Who is not connected with reality.

  2. BillT on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 2:16 am 

    He is here but is 12 hours ahead of the Us…lol.

    I would take this article as satire if some of the points were not correct. There appears to be many predictions that are NOT likely to happen. None seem to take the decline of energy as even important. Although, I do think that the Elite know that their time is growing short to take over the world.

    And who is this “mole” and what is his purpose? “Unauthorized leak”? It seems like that is how we get our ‘news’ today. No official statements that may cause a backlash. Just leaks that can be denied if the fury is too much.

    Anything in an economics rag should be taken with a grain of salt as they are ALWAYS selling something that is NOT good for you and I. Economists know nothing. They have botched every economy in the Western world. It’s like going to a doctor that keeps charging you for the service and then not knowing what to do except, ‘try this’ and if that doesn’t work, “try that”. Weathermen have a better record of forecasts and predictions.

  3. MrEnergyCzar on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 4:07 am 

    The most important topic was missing… energy.


  4. Dick Burkhart on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 6:55 am 

    It all sounds very superficial. Some of this may or may not happen. Hard to know without more in depth historical / energy / resource analysis. It leaves me less than impressed with the Rothchilds.

  5. DC on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 8:17 am 

    Not much of a ‘mole’ when this outfit brags rather openly about the whole affair. I mean, did anyone learn any deep, dark secrets reading this?

  6. Kenz300 on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 1:43 pm 

    Quote — ” “Double check everything Goldman Sachs says because a lot of it is bull shit”

    The top 1% can not believe their bankers?

    The greed is good gang wants it all and will take it from each other after they have plundered the 99%.

  7. Pacman on Sat, 30th Jun 2012 10:18 pm 

    I suspect they don’t talk about energy because they did that 10 years ago and saw the current state of affairs coming without necessarily calling it peak oil Maybe they saw it as the end of a trend of decreasing resource prices in general … “its just a trend, get ready for the next one…”

  8. Graham tait on Sun, 8th Jul 2012 12:58 am 

    The Rothschild global Central Banking system is criminal. The people worldwide are awakening to it. Bad things will follow. 

  9. Graham tait on Sun, 8th Jul 2012 12:58 am 

    The Rothschild global Central Banking system is criminal. The people worldwide are awakening to it. Bad things will follow. 

  10. Jennifer Prokhorov on Mon, 9th Jul 2012 5:15 am 

    ” Graham tait on Sun, 8th Jul 2012 12:58 am

    The Rothschild global Central Banking system is criminal. The people worldwide are awakening to it. Bad things will follow. ”

    Obviously Graham tate behaves as though he believes in magic, wishing saying an unsubstantiated notion twice could somehow cause proof by repetition.

    Among whom has the wisdom to learn fallacy recognition, observe how many committed fallacy generators claim absence of awareness of fallacies, reminiscent of muggers claiming absence of awareness of mugging, murderers claiming absence of awareness of murder.

    The Rothschild family provides for the details in our lives which generally occur beyond our perceptive range. Which part of providing for Graham tate being alive is criminal?

    The people worldwide occur in different streams expressing different degrees of self-awareness, responsibility, cooperation with one another, contribution to society plus accountability. Generalizing these distinct streams we have into one stream could be an error.

    Observe Graham tate’s argument expresses vagueness plus a threat, typical of absence of thought.

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