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The Holy Grail Of Endless Energy: Harvesting Blackholes

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A year ago, House representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and Senator Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts, both Democrats, proposed the Green New Deal, a nonbinding congressional resolution that lays out a grand plan for tackling climate change by meeting 100% of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources.

While the future of the clean energy proposal remains uncertain, the majority of Americans have been reading from the same page regarding what needs to be done: Dramatically cutting down the country’s reliance on fossil fuels over the next two decades is critical to lowering greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and address climate change, with six in 10 U.S. adults saying they would favor policies with this energy goal.

Thankfully, scientists have been researching alternative energy solutions like wind and solar power for decades, including lesser-known sources that may seem a little unusual or even downright ridiculous and unrealistic.

You can chalk up harvesting energy from blackholes to the latter category.

Fifty years ago, British mathematical physicist, Roger Penrose, proposed a seemingly absurd idea how an alien society (or future humans) could harvest energy from a rotating black hole by dropping an object just outside its sphere of influence also known as the ergosphere where it could gain negative energy. Since then, nobody has been able to verify the viability of this seemingly bizarre idea–that is until now.

Half a century later, researchers have finally proven that Mr. Penrose really was onto something big.

The Penrose Process

Blackholes have captured the imagination of astrophysicists ever since the first one was discovered in 1971–and for good reason. After all, they are some of the strangest and most fascinating objects in outer space.

Blackholes represent the end-stage of the life cycle of stars so massive that, once it’s gone supernova, the core can no longer withstand its own gravity and collapses totally into a singularity–a single one-dimensional point of infinite density. This singularity sits inside a region called the event horizon–the point at which the gravity around the black hole is so strong, not even light-speed is sufficient to achieve escape velocity.

Back in 1969, Roger Penrose proposed that if an object splits into two and one part falls into the black hole, the other part can be retrieved with more energy than the original object, because it has lost negative energy–basically saying a minus of a minus makes a plus!

Two years later, Russian physicist Yakov Zel’dovich adapted this idea and translated it to other rotating systems that we could test back on Earth. Zel’dovich predicted that waves with angular momentum–also known as “twisted waves”–reflected from a rotating metal cylinder will be amplified. The cylinder sees these twisted waves to be rotationally Doppler shifted , that is their frequency changes depending on the rotation speed. This is similar to the linear Doppler shift where the pitch of a police siren changes as it speeds past.

If Zel’dovich’s cylinder rotates fast enough then something very odd happens. The Doppler shifted frequency becomes negative. These negative frequency waves just appear to us as normal positive frequency waves. But remarkably this changes the way the waves interact with the cylinder. The metal usually absorbs the waves. But when the Doppler frequency goes negative, the absorption becomes amplification and the reflected wave has more energy than when it went in. Like with Penrose’s aliens and the rotating black hole, the twisted waves have taken energy from the rotating absorbing cylinder.

There was just one problem with Zel’dovich’s original proposal: The speed of the rotating cylinder needs to be at least 1 billion rotations per second–well beyond anything we can achieve mechanically without centrifugal pieces ripping the whole thing apart.

So there was no was no way to physically validate the theory–until a team of physicists from the University of Glasgow’s School of Physics and Astronomy in Scotland came along. They devised an experiment based on Zel’dovich’s work but used sound waves instead of lightwaves. Sound waves are a million times slower than light waves, meaning the rotating disc does not need to spin nearly as fast.

Their experiment consisted of a ring of speakers set up to introduce a twist in the sound waves, analogous to the twisted light in Zel’dovich’s experiment. A rotating sound absorber made out of a foam disc was analogous to the rotating blackhole, the rotation of which would speed up as the sound waves hit it. They used a ring of speakers to create a twisted sound wave on the other side of the disc and directed it towards a rotating sound absorber and placed microphones behind the foam that also rotate, to measure the Doppler shifted waves that pass through the disc as it spins. They could play back the sound recorded by the microphones as the rotation speed increases.

The results were nothing short of amazing. As the disc’s rotation accelerated, the pitch of the sound hitting the microphones lowered until it was inaudible, then began to rise again back to the original pitch – but  a good 30% louder than the sound coming from the speakers. In essence, the sound waves were picking up additional energy from the rotating disc.

What you actually hear is the frequency of the twisted wave being Doppler shifted to zero, where it becomes too low to hear, then it gets louder again with increasing negative frequency.

If you plot the amplitude of the sound signal of the twisted wave, you notice that the sound is distinctly louder after the Doppler frequency has gone from positive to negative. In other words, the amplitude of the negative frequency waves is much larger when the absorber is rotating.

The area shaded in red is the region where the waves are taking energy from the absorber’s rotational energy. This amazing amplification effect lies at the heart of Penrose’s proposal to extract energy from black holes and could guide new experiments towards amplification of electromagnetic waves, and maybe even quantum fluctuations.

Obviously, this experiment does not not explicitly verify that Penrose’s idea for energy extraction will actually work for a black hole. Rather, it proves something that seems counter-intuitive: That shifting wave frequencies from positive to negative actually results in the waves gaining, rather than losing, energy.

We are still a long way off extracting energy from rotating black holes. Still, the latest experiment by the University of Glasgow’s School of Physics and Astronomy provides a nice proof of concept that could open up new and exciting avenues of scientific exploration.

34 Comments on "The Holy Grail Of Endless Energy: Harvesting Blackholes"

  1. well blackholes dont exist on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:32 pm 


  2. bochen787 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:41 pm 

    I Love China

  3. bochen787 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:41 pm 

    The CCP is endless inspirational energy

  4. pointless experiment on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:52 pm 

    blackhole-19 is the same as convict-19
    either one doesn’t exist

    designing a silly experiment still doesn’t prove blackhole-19 exist

    the amplification of sound wave is due to energy of the roating disc

  5. instead of existing on coke and cheese pizza we have whitey supertards suckling muzzie coq and drink milk on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:54 pm 

    and liberalization of science to admit dropout-19 to convert club science-19 to a who1rehouse this is what we end up with

    it’s all allahscience-19 with no cause or effect

    sad state of modern science-19 where nobody knows how to build a muzzie amputation machine

  6. widdle juan PPee on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 2:55 pm 

    The narcissistic asswipe hogs the forum. Nobody has a chance to speak or would want to where a luntic leaves his feces everywhere he goes:

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  7. Widdle davy ID theft and socks on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 3:04 pm 

    The narcissistic asswipe hogs the forum. Nobody has a chance to speak or would want to where a luntic leaves his feces everywhere he goes:

  8. Documents released on Thursday suggest Muhammad Sa'id Abdal-Rahman al-Mawla gave information after his arrest in 2008 on dozens of fellow jihadists as well as the structure of al Qaeda in Mosul. on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 3:31 pm 

    we roast muzz elsewhere but let them roam while here

    On August 1, 2014, Khass (muzz) tweeted: “quran chapter 2 take not the christians and the jews for friends — I’m Muslim And Know This.”

    when can we learn the way of china and harvest our muzz?

  9. whitey supertard general barr says convict-19 and face diaper-19 is gratest violation of civil liberties on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 4:12 pm 

    he compares it to muzzies selling darkies in libya a year ago.

    two darkies are only worth one whitey slave. muhammad the pedifiler was the whitest whitey ever lived and he owned darkie slaves

    he said darkies are raisinheads

    ask mike tyson and snoop doggie style that
    ask farrakahn too.

    everything i say can be checked with a few quick searches

  10. Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 5:32 pm 

    What an exciting, innovative new technology. Who needs fossil-fuels when we have Black Holes to power all our autonomous cars and laptops? Obviously, we dont. I did some back of the prescription calculations, and according to my estimates, black hole power can easily provide up to 25% of the EU’s power needs by 2020. With appropriate incentives, and the natural racial superiority at my apartment, I forecast an EU-wide Black Hole Power grid by 2035 at the very latest.

    While this truly is a ground-breaking development, I feel must protest the unfortunate, and scientifically inaccurate choice of words, “Black Hole”. It is a well known fact that so-called “Black Holes”, were fact discovered by Jewish Scholars and thinkers. This would make them Kosher Holes. However, I am quite willing to settle for the more accurate term, “White Holes”, since the wonderful Jewish people are in fact white, just as I am.

    Here is a video I found that demonstrates the inner workings of my proposed EU “Black Hole” Power station. These could be fully operational and providing clean, Low or zero emission “Black Hole” power by 2020, thus completely eliminating the need for all that dirty Black Coal power the EU is using currently. Of course, the resulting energy produced could be more accurately characterized as “White Power”. For the time being, I will use the “accepted” terminology, even if it is totally wrong.

    As you will clearly see in the presentation, even a fistful of Black Hole power, could power my entire building for 100 hole years with ease. Incredible the science we have just within our reacharound

    I have a sent of email of protest to so they will be able update their outdated and insulting term to the latest, science-based terms and framework. I am certain they will act promptly and swiftly to rectify their mistake.

  11. makati1 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 5:35 pm 

    When you are too uneducated to comment rationally, you resort to bullshit putdowns and sock puppets. That describes many on this current forum and especially dumbed down Amerikans.

    OilPrice is getting desperate to have readers and are resorting to science fiction for their topics. I read a lot of SF but no one has EVER suggested using a black hole to power their microwave. Black holes eat planets, they don’t power them. LOL.

  12. makati1 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 5:35 pm When you are too uneducated to comment rationally, you resort to bullshit putdowns and sock p on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 5:58 pm 

    O_RLY supertard

    says a HS dropout. I have a BA in Physics

  13. Abraham van Helsing on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 6:04 pm 

    Unlike all of you, I am a certified physicist. This is why I am able to comprehend and comment intelligently on issues like the feasibility of Utilizing “Black Hole” WRONG, power, to solve global warming as I noted in my comment above. The rest of you, have nothing of substance to add to conversation.

    Trump 2020

  14. Washed up hippy on North coast on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 6:32 pm 

    The black hole of covid 20 doom approaches! Make your peace with daffy duck cos’ the end times are here.

  15. Daffy Duck of board on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 6:35 pm 

    Fuck off, you humans can go to hell. Starting with that bastard Elmer Fudd!

  16. makati1 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 6:36 pm 

    Abe, you ARE certified, for sure! A certified techie nutcase. You prove it with every post.

    I’m a brain surgeon with 50 years experience, not to mention an retired admiral and a 5 star general. My how easy it is to claim ANYTHING on the internet. LMAO!

  17. I’m a brain surgeon with 50 years experience, not to mention an retired admiral and a 5 star general. My how easy it is to claim on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 7:46 pm 

    but supertard
    back when you were honest you said u’re a high school dropout

  18. makati1 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 8:08 pm 

    Don’t you realize sarcasm when you see it? If you comprehended proper English you would not have made your stupid remark. Nor your slur about my education, which, obviously exceeds your own. You are a loser, just like Amerika.

  19. makati1 on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 8:12 pm 

    It is a rainy Friday morning here. The trailing edge of a typhoon hitting Vietnam and dragging rain over the Ps. But it fills the water tanks on the farm and that is important also. A good day to browse articles about Amerika’s demise. LOL

  20. Let’s be careful with our language. Genocide is generally used to refer to the extermination of a people or nation. Genocide is not taking place in Xinjiang on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 8:18 pm 

    this is why we need to learn from supertard bochen777 . we need to know how to harvest our muzzies without anyone knowing

    unfortunately supertard bochen777 practice a form of extreme sun tzu warfare

    he said: sex with white women

    geee thanks a lot supertard bochen777. how about showing us how to harvest our muzzies

  21. GOOD NEWS: Muslim candidate endorsed by Somali CongressMuslim Ilhan Omar is defeated in primary race for Wisconsin State Senate on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 8:39 pm 

    at 1% muzz already active so they destroy dar al harb and propose muzz sharia

    at 2% as in several euro nations, it’s a game of no return.

    around 20% it accelerates quickly to 100% muzz
    due to random killing and sharia

  22. kafir politics inferior to muzz politics on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 8:59 pm 

    muzz politics combined killing, lying, and intimidation, plus hundred of others instruments

    thanks to muzz politics countries achieve 100% muzz

    Maldives 374,775 374,775 100 < 0.1 [210]
    Mauritania 3,845,430 3,840,430 99.9 0.2 [215]
    Somalia 11,000,000 10,978,000 99.8 0.6 [258]
    Tunisia 11,446,300 11,190,000 99.8 0.6
    Afghanistan 37,135,000 37,025,000 99.7 2.0 [35]
    Iran 83,000,000 82,500,000 99.4 4.6 [169]
    Western Sahara 603,253 599,633 99.4 < 0.1 [288][289]
    Yemen 28,036,829 27,784,498 99.2 1.5 [290][291]
    Algeria 41,657,488 41,240,913 99 2.7 [38]
    Morocco 38,314,130 37,930,989 99 2.1 [228]
    Comoros 821,164 807,204 98.3 < 0.1 [105]
    Niger 21,466,863 21,101,926 98.3 1 [233]
    Saudi Arabia 34,220,000 33,535,000 98.2 1.8
    Tajikistan 9,540,000 9,253,000 97.9 0.4 [270][271][272]
    Palestine 4,780,978 4,298,000 97.5 0.3
    Jordan 10,458,413 10,165,577 97.2 0.4 [180]
    Djibouti 884,017 857,496 97 0.1 [116][117]
    Libya 6,754,507 6,551,871 97 0.4 [196][197]
    Mayotte 256,518 253,439 97 < 0.1 [217]
    Sudan 40,825,770 39,585,777 97 1.9 [263]
    Azerbaijan 10,046,516 9,735,074 96.9 0.5 [53]
    Pakistan 210,000,000 202,650,000 96.5 11.1 [238][239]
    Senegal 15,726,037 15,112,721 96.1 0.8 [252]
    Gambia 2,092,731 2,002,743 95.7 0.1 [142]
    Iraq 40,194,216 38,465,864 95.7 1.9 [170]
    Kosovo 1,907,592 1,823,657 95.6 0.1 [184]
    Mali 18,429,893 17,508,398 95 0.8 [211][90]
    Turkmenistan 6,031,187 5,610,000 93.7 0.3
    Bangladesh 170,000,000 153,700,000 90.4 9.2 [56][57]
    Egypt 95,000,000 85,000,000–90,000,000 90–94.7 4.9 [123][124]
    Turkey 83,155,000 74,423,725 89.5 4.6 [276][277]
    Guinea 11,855,411 10,563,171 89.1 0.5 [155]
    Uzbekistan 34,036,800 29,920,000 88.7 1.7 [284]

  23. there are only blaqholes as in burn loot murder BLM on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 10:09 pm 

    Darkies supertard Thomas Sowell said slavery is a human problem and whitey were captured for slavery in huge quantities so much so that Turks muzz could buy whiteys very cheap

    And two darkies slave equal one whitey slave because that how Muhammad pedifile exchanged his

    Most recently muzz sold darkies in Libya a year ago
    darkies lives don’t matter there
    Ask farrakhan snoop doggie style Mike Tyson all dark muzz

    It’s very simple. Nice pictures and promoted by supertard media is fake like convict 19

    Black holes fake

  24. darkies supertard Thomas Sowell said on Thu, 17th Sep 2020 10:12 pm 

    Only followers of (((supremetard))) whiteys fought to abolish slavery at grate personal and materials costs

    Tell that to burn loot murder BLM

  25. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 12:00 am 


    America is a pure fucking hell. I mean you have no fucking clue. Its beyond anything horror or collapse movie you could imagine.

    Fucking shit for brains everywhere. People walking around in 90 degree weather with face shields on.

    I dont how I even go on anymore. I should have got the fuck out of here before hand. And these people are fucking scum. And everyone is taking this bullshit out on each other. They dont have to kill anyone. All they have to do is take away alot of the wealth and they get killing each other real quick.

  26. Abraham van Helsing on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 3:55 am 

    “We are still a long way off extracting energy from rotating black holes. Still, the latest experiment by the University of Glasgow’s School of Physics and Astronomy provides a nice proof of concept that could open up new and exciting avenues of scientific exploration.“

    Please send more money so we can help solving humanities yuge energy problem (and pay off the mortgage while we are at it).

  27. Mick on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 4:43 am 

    I wonder what the eroei is for harvesting energy from black holes light years away ,I’m guessing it would be at least -10million to 1 .

  28. Abraham van Helsing on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 10:12 am 

    Havent you been paying attention Mick. I already said Black Hole Power is on track to provide at least 25% of the EU’s power by 2020. This is a verfiable fact just like everything I say. Clean and green Black Hole power already provides clean power to over 10000000000 dutch homes.

  29. Abraham van Helsing on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 10:16 am 

    Didn’t write the previous post.

    Meanwhile important Nord Stream 2 development: all East-German states have issued a declaration to complete the pipeline, Navalny be damned:

  30. IFuckQuebecInTheAss on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 11:58 am 

    HI StarvingLion

    I was looking into diesel pickup truck this morning. I want to see Quebec and Canada burn to the ground. Fuck both of them. I will leave at that. It is funny when people needs you, like the NDP punjabi leader, they are all there talking sweet and nice, this is called manipulation. What were they doing the last 30 year ago, nothing, they can go fuck themselves.

    I then I had to watch guidoune Guibault on Youtube. The bitch represent everything that is wrong with western civilization, globalism, race and useless and worthless millennial. The whole Lego government is populated with morons. It is quite a achievement to have so many morons. Quebec can go fuck itself.

    It seems the diesel cummins inline 6 are easier to work on. It probably does not matter dodge or ford because you won’t driving it a lot. I am going to start checking that, might be able to get good deal.

    Each time I see guidoune Guibault this is what I am thinking about:

  31. IFuckQuebecInTheAss on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 12:15 pm 

    StarvingLion said

    The Nuclear Industry in Scamerica is about to Totally Collapse. The Exelon Corporation is waving goodbye. EXC down 2% today, total freefall for the past month.

    The Nuclear Industry is tied to the hip of the Oil Industry. Thats why the Oil Industry hates it.

    There is not much uranium on the earth. It won’t last long if everyones tries to go nuclear.

    If you observer nature, like insects dear overpopulation and so, you know what is coming.

    We need more human death, on this planets, to many useless worthless people. Nature will take care of re balancing everything. Just sit back and watch.

    Here is what I means by nature coming to cleaning the fucking useless humans:

    Record Cold hits North-East/North-Central U.S., as the entire Eastern Half of North America holds Colder than Average

    Another fucking thing, I see you getting more and more oppressive, I think of Quebec and Australia. You better have a will fine tune exit strategy out of your police state oppression. Because if you don’t people are going to come for your head. Start to think how you will do that.

  32. ACID on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 1:49 pm 

    Life sucks without a car.

  33. bochen777 on Fri, 18th Sep 2020 8:56 pm 

    First we lost our hero Kobe in the beginning of this year, later we lost our King of Wakanda, now we have lost the Honorable Mrs Ginsburg, what is going on? What will become of this once great nation?

  34. guyes supertard is the new corn helio please respect the corn on Sun, 20th Sep 2020 8:40 pm 

    A COMMITTED muzz lovah

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