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The Future as Seen by the Doomers. It Will be the Seneca Rebound!

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Recently, RE (Reverse Engineer) of the famed “Doomsday Diner” carried out an opinion poll among the people frequenting some of the most doomeristic/catastrophistic/millennialistic sites of the Web (including Ugo Bardi’s blog, Cassandra’s Legacy).

Refreshingly, a majority of the members of this group of hard-liners are in favor of renewable energy! Only 36% of the group think that renewable energy is useless, while 57% think it will power a sustainable technological civilization.

So, maybe you are one of those people who feel it is their duty to pester the discussions on this subject with your favorite statement that goes as “renewable energy plants are built using energy coming from fossil fuels, therefore will never be anything but fossil fuel extenders.” Then, know that not only you are wrong, you also understood nothing of the concept of EROI, and, finally, you are also a minority even among the minority of the millennialists of the Web.

Yes, the transition will not be easy, but renewable energy is the future of humankind. It is the Seneca Rebound, baby!

Cassandra’s legacy by Ugo Bardi



36 Comments on "The Future as Seen by the Doomers. It Will be the Seneca Rebound!"

  1. Chrome Mags on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 12:34 pm 

    “Only 36% of the group think that renewable energy is useless”

    Isn’t that the same percentage of Trump followers? No surprise there.

  2. Alice Friedemann on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 4:51 pm 

    If you look at the link to “understood nothing” it is a straw man argument making the case that renewables will work because their EROI is much greater than 1.
    No, the real reason they can’t possibly be sustainable is that every single step of their lifecycle depends on fossil fuels, for which there is no electrical substitute in manufacturing and transportation, and epoxy and other components are made out of fossil fuels as a feedstock. For example:
    Electricity simply doesn’t substitute for all the uses of fossil fuels, so windmills will never be able to reproduce themselves from the energy they generate — they are simply not sustainable. Consider the life cycle of a wind turbine – giant diesel powered mining trucks and machines dig deep into the earth for iron ore, fossil-fueled ships take the ore to a facility that will crush it and permeate it with toxic chemicals to extract the metal from the ore, the metal will be taken in a diesel truck or locomotive to a smelter which runs exclusively on fossil fuels 24 x 7 x 365 for up to 22 years (any stoppage causes the lining to shatter so intermittent electricity won’t do). There are over 8,000 parts to a wind turbine which are delivered over global supply chains via petroleum-fueled ships, rail, air, and trucks to the assembly factory. Finally diesel cement trucks arrive at the wind turbine site to pour many tons of concrete and other diesel trucks carry segments of the wind turbine to the site and workers who drove gas or diesel vehicles to the site assemble it.

  3. Cloggie on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 5:02 pm 

    Alice, I believe it was you who dissed wind energy with fake arguments. Here a rebutal:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/28/prejudices-from-amateurs-against-wind-energy/#more-69189

  4. makati1 on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 6:19 pm 

    “The Shale Oil Revolution Actually Reflects a Nation in Decline”

    “Thousands of shale wells drilled in the last five years are pumping less oil and gas than their owners forecast to investors, raising questions about the strength and profitability of the fracking boom that turned the U.S. into an oil superpower….

    We’re scraping away at the literal bottom of the geologic barrel, pretending as if that were all perfectly normal and sustainable. It’s neither….

    Beyond the significance of not having an energy strategy, there’s the more immediate predicament of how a nation up to its armpits in debt, and sinking rapidly, is going to fare when the great output boom stops and then heads into reverse. As things stand, the US will blunder into that new era completely unprepared, as one might expect for a nation in decline.”

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/114703/shale-oil-revolution-actually-reflects-nation-decline

    Slip slidin’…

  5. Anonymouse on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 6:24 pm 

    Come on mak, don’t you have more to say about the oily shale mess than slip slidin? You are being shallow like Juan.

  6. Filipino whore on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 6:26 pm 

    makati1 is my best john

  7. More Davy Identity Theft on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 7:11 pm 

    Anonymouse on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 6:24 pm

  8. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 7:12 pm 

    Filipino whore on Sat, 12th Jan 2019 6:26 pm

  9. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 12:10 am 

    CES-Las Vegas, the parade of the robot-busses:

    http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/ces-2019-mercedes-urbanetic-weist-weg-in-mobilitaetszukunft-a-1247365.html

  10. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 12:19 am 

    Mercedes self-driving bus:

    https://youtu.be/ufpIq35KEwY

  11. makati1 on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 2:10 am 

    Hahahahaha! What a joke! Self driving bus. No traffic. No pedestrians. Beautiful road. Fantasy land! LMAO

    Wouldn’t work in 99.99% of real conditions.

    1. Traffic jams/backed up traffic.
    2. Pedestrians everywhere.
    3. Typical pothole streets/roads.
    4. Heavy rain, snow, sleet, ice.
    5. 20 passengers ticket price?
    6. Cost to replace existing buses.
    7…

    Dream on!

  12. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 3:27 am 

    I posted a long answer to “makati1 on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 2:10 am” but it went down the memory hole, probably too many links.

    Here it is a gain in parts, with some random text added, to circumvent double posting blocking:

    ———————
    The big star at the CES-Las Vegas car show:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2BXldHY-o

    “World premiere of the Mercedes-Benz Vision URBANETIC.”

    Hahahahaha! What a joke! Self driving bus. No traffic. No pedestrians. Beautiful road. Fantasy land! LMAO

    Wouldn’t work in 99.99% of real conditions.

    They said the same thing about trains, flying, television, space travel, internet, yet it all worked. It is indeed not ready yet for prime time in inner cities. But it IS ready for traffic for instance on Dutch highways:

    https://tinyurl.com/y7n6dm4m

    …but also on secondary roads, connecting villages and small towns.

    The country is flat, roads are in perfect shape, but congested with traffic, a huge problem that can be solved if you put say 6 drivers of conventional cars in a single autonomous driving bus/van. It would be cheaper per mile, you gain the otherwise useless time wasted on driving, you save energy, all plusses.

    A KPMG has identified Holland as the country that is most ready for autonomous driving:

    https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/xx/pdf/2018/01/avri.pdf

    (table page 3)

    [part 1]

  13. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 3:28 am 

    //some random text here

    It is official Dutch government policy to go there, because it is a new business opportunity that can be exploited to the max as an early adopter and can solve the congestion problem society is complaining about for decades:

    https://www.government.nl/topics/mobility-public-transport-and-road-safety/self-driving-vehicles

    The Dutch national government aims to take the lead in these developments and prepare the Netherlands for their implementation. The Netherlands firmly believes in the potential benefits for significant change in road mobility with the introduction of cooperative ITS systems. Innovations in this field should allow us to improve traffic flows on our roads in terms of safety, efficiency and environmental impact, and can be an important boost to Europe’s competitive strength, jobs opportunities and growth. A coordinated approach at a European level and closer cooperation between governments and stakeholders is required to allow these innovative systems to become available on the market.

    Your “arguments”:

    1. Traffic jams/backed up traffic.
    2. Pedestrians everywhere.
    3. Typical pothole streets/roads.
    4. Heavy rain, snow, sleet, ice.
    5. 20 passengers ticket price?
    6. Cost to replace existing buses.

    1. is no argument: rear bumpers are easily identified
    2. not on highways
    3. not on Dutch roads, but can be identified
    4. we have no snow or ice, rain is no problem
    5. access to bus via smart phone and prepaid ticket or NFC chip (physically entering a bus = paying)
    6. buses have a life cycle of 10 years. simply a matter of phasing out

    [part 2]

  14. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 3:30 am 

    //more random text

    What you can expect are new entrepreneurs who offer ride sharing between platforms along highways, comparable to convention-bus platforms. No need to wait on a rainy platform, you can sit inside and see on your phone where your vehicle currently is. In Holland you can already see where your bus is:

    http://www.ovradar.nl/

    Autonomous driving is going to win on price alone. But it also fits like a hand in a glove in the light of the need to save energy and resources. Gone is the time of empty buses that have to obey to standard schedules, you can now make public traffic flexible, on-demand, based on total location-awareness thanks to GPS-enabled smart phones. A bus will not drive if there are no passengers.

    Autonomous driving will make driving per mile cheaper with a factor 4-10 (compared to Toyota Starlet vs big Mercedes Benz).

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/

    [part 3]

  15. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 3:44 am 

    Thanks to a booming Dutch economy, traffic congestion is worse than ever:

    https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/04/sharp-increase-traffic-jams-netherlands

    https://nltimes.nl/2018/07/03/traffic-jams-dutch-roads-rush-hour-records-broken

    The Netherlands isn’t far away from a total breakdown of traffic on highways, a direct consequence of 440 people/km2 and a developed economy. Something needs to be done. Discouraging private car ownership (via taxes and road toll) as well as controlled access to roads, are means to do that.

    The American Jew Gregory Shapiro making fun of Dutch traffic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz5NmI6j7Kw

    He btw perfectly mimicked Trump’s voice in this anti-Trump hit-video, broadcasted on prime-time Dutch television:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc

    The video was copied from the Dutch original by tens of nations all over the world, adapted to national circumstances, including Germany, Russia and others:

    http://time.com/4666142/america-first-trump-video/

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 4:23 am 

    Examples of real autonomous driving in heavy traffic:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrmorE5W1tM
    (2010!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmrBAZ_DwKI
    (2016)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UsID2qyE2I
    (2018)

    Advantage autonomous driving: “driver” is always aware (100% concentration, no diversion), no rowdy riding, but “boringly” safe, no risk taking, standard distance from predecessor. Thanks to internet connection, the car is continuously updated on the situation on the road.

  17. makati1 on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 4:39 am 

    Cloggie, you can link a million refs, but they do not change reality. You live in Alice’s Wonderland. My bus comment points out the fallacy of it’s assertions.

    It’s like the person who makes $50,000 per year, borrows $25,000 and claims his income increased by 50%. Pure bullshit.

    I watched the video. Nothing but an ad for suckers to invest in a losing deal. Not reality. Not ever. Your rebuttals are not real.

    1. So, how does it make an improvement if it is still stalled in traffic>
    2. Sorry, there ARE pedestrians wheresoever. Do you ever get out of your cocoon?
    3. Potholes are the future everywhere. Be patient.
    4. How stupid do you think I am? “we have no snow or ice, rain is no problem”
    http://alarm.noodweercentrale.nl/snowfall-en.html
    “Winters can be quite cold and dark with the possibility of some snow”
    https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine-in-Netherlands
    BTW: Wait until the Gulf Stream moves south and see how cold it gets in your country.
    5. Still high cost, no matter how you pay. Again you assume the internet is forever. LOL
    6. No, it is not a matter of “phasing out”. It is the problem of $$$. Buses will be run until they die and that is a lot longer than 10 years. You ASSUME that there will be $$ to make the change and the desire.

    You live in a country that is about the population of Metro Manila and claim it is going to be that way everywhere. Dream on. Who is going to set up a factory for something that can only be used in a small minority of locations? The buses would cost over a million Euros each, that is, IF there still is a Euro. I doubt it.

    Get out of your techie cocoon and visit the rest of the world. See reality.

  18. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 4:53 am 

    1. So, how does it make an improvement if it is still stalled in traffic>
    2. Sorry, there ARE pedestrians wheresoever. Do you ever get out of your cocoon?
    3. Potholes are the future everywhere. Be patient.
    4. How stupid do you think I am? “we have no snow or ice, rain is no problem”

    1. None whatsoever. The idea is to distribute the same crowd over less cars and as such get traffic going again
    2. I have NEVER seen a pedestrian on a highway. But even if they would, they are seen by radar and sensors
    3. Your (imagined) future is not now
    4. Just like your eye, radar and sensors can see through rain and snow and ice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or5-GJ1l1ic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vShi-xx6ze8

    5. Still high cost, no matter how you pay. Again you assume the internet is forever. LOL
    6. No, it is not a matter of “phasing out”. It is the problem of $$$. Buses will be run until they die and that is a lot longer than 10 years. You ASSUME that there will be $$ to make the change and the desire.

    5. Adding sensors and actuators for steering and gas and breaks are NOT expensive. Expensive is the driver that will become superfluous. A van cost 40k and can drive for 10 years. A driver also costs 40k and needs to be paid so every single year. THAT is the real source for the potential for massive cost reduction in driving.
    6. The introduction of autonomous driving will be gradual, offering the opportunity to neatly write off old vehicles.

    You live in a country that is about the population of Metro Manila and claim it is going to be that way everywhere.

    I did not say “everywhere”, but most developed nations, yes.

  19. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 5:12 am 

    D*mn, another post disappearing down the memory hole.

    “EU falling apart” latest:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6586201/Remainer-MPs-plot-Brexit-coup-control-Commons.html

    “Remainer MPs plot ‘a very British coup’: Backbenchers’ bombshell plan to seize control of Brexit and sideline Theresa May within hours of PM’s crucial vote on Tuesday”

    Everybody, including pm May, assumes that her plan will be rejected.

    EU judges have already said that if Britain changes its mind, it can come back as if nothing happened. It is up to Britain.

    Remainer Tories are plotting for dropping Brexit altogether and remain in the EU, which would give a massive boost to the prestige of Brussels if even the most Euro-skeptic people in the EU would choose to remain in the EU after all. If the plot is going to work is a different matter.

    (for the record: I hope that Brexit-lite a la pm May does go ahead in the end, but in the grand scheme of things my opinions don’t matter that much.lol)

    [part 1]

  20. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 5:13 am 

    //2nd part doesn’t appear, sigh

    The core argument will be: we are on course of a no-deal Brexit, about which friend-and-foo agree it would be a disaster. That being the case and the UK political system in total deadlock, it is better to not go ahead with Brexit at all.

    Tess May is probably correct: the Barnier-Raab deal is the only way to escape from “black hole EU”. Rejecting the deal means rejecting Brexit.

    [part 2]

  21. Cloggie2 on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 5:16 am 

    I have given up on the third part.

  22. Anonymouse on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 5:24 am 

    We wish you just give up PERIOD and, get lost. Permanently. That would be best, truly.

    mak has already told he is not about to be converted. You should take his word for it. And not to Judaism, but to your faux-greenish mish-mash of conflicting notions and the grab-bag of ideologies you are so keen to preach here 24/7

    So…..take a hint cloggtard. For once.

  23. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 5:30 am 

    We wish you just give up PERIOD and, get lost. Permanently. That would be best, truly.

    Our African friend from Canada imagining he has a mandate to speak for all.

    Why would you wish that? Because you lost the debate.

  24. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 6:14 am 

    Anon, cloggie has something to say you are noise. Even dumbass mak says something. You and JuanP are useless to furthering knowledge here. You both need to be banned. You both have dysfunctional personalities that discourage rational debate. JuanP has this huge asshole ego but can’t produce material so he games the board instead. You are just a warped uneducated kid that needs to stick with Xbox level activity.

  25. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 6:22 am 

    I think autonomous transport is going to happen but I don’t see it as pervasive as clogged sees it. It is not going to solve all our transport problems not be applicable to all places. It will be niche oriented IMO. It may even put advanced countries that embrace it into a worse situation. They may invest lots of resources in a failed experiment. It is still an experiment and crowing that it is the silver bullet for transports future is intellectually weak. The reality is AV and the renewable transformation my not get legs. Renewables may make it to 50% primary energy and stall. Modern society may stall for many reasons not just technology. I think it is legitimate to embrace this technology but claiming it is the future is very premature.

  26. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 6:28 am 

    “Remainer Tories are plotting for dropping Brexit altogether and remain in the EU, which would give a massive boost to the prestige of Brussels if even the most Euro-skeptic people in the EU would choose to remain in the EU after all. If the plot is going to work is a different matter.”

    If the EU does not have a safety value to let off steam and is unable to progress then what is more likely is the whole experiment will blow up. The EU is already in an internal civil war with the north and south. France is coming apart socially and politically. Its economy as bad as Italy but larger. The EU is a mess probably worse than anywhere else. It also has a lot going for it from the standpoint of transitioning to renewables. The place is a mixed bag of good and bad. It is definitely not a PBM empire in the making. Nothing points to a phoenix. What we see is a crumbling edifice.

  27. twocats on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 7:27 am 

    trolls always self-own. this must be some sort of universal truth because “Cloggie” is actually a literal name – all he does is “CLOG” up the forum with his BS.

    the wonderful-AF Alicia Friedemann –

    If you look at the link to “understood nothing” it is a straw man argument making the case that renewables will work because their EROI is much greater than 1.
    No, the real reason they can’t possibly be sustainable is that every single step of their lifecycle depends on fossil fuels, for which there is no electrical substitute in manufacturing and transportation, and epoxy and other components are made out of fossil fuels as a feedstock. For example:
    Electricity simply doesn’t substitute for all the uses of fossil fuels, so windmills will never be able to reproduce themselves from the energy they generate — they are simply not sustainable. Consider the life cycle of a wind turbine – giant diesel powered mining trucks and machines dig deep into the earth for iron ore, fossil-fueled ships take the ore to a facility that will crush it and permeate it with toxic chemicals to extract the metal from the ore, the metal will be taken in a diesel truck or locomotive to a smelter which runs exclusively on fossil fuels 24 x 7 x 365 for up to 22 years (any stoppage causes the lining to shatter so intermittent electricity won’t do). There are over 8,000 parts to a wind turbine which are delivered over global supply chains via petroleum-fueled ships, rail, air, and trucks to the assembly factory. Finally diesel cement trucks arrive at the wind turbine site to pour many tons of concrete and other diesel trucks carry segments of the wind turbine to the site and workers who drove gas or diesel vehicles to the site assemble it.

  28. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 7:44 am 

    Thank you Davy, though we disagree on a few things, there is one thing we can both agree on. We of master race need to look out for one another. The sneering Marxists are on the run because of your dedication to our cause Davy.

    I hope this translates properly.

    Davy, you are Ubermensch beneath my wings.

    Great movie, wonderful song. Terrific American actresses. One of my all-time favorites. I play it often, and think of you. With Ubermensch in there. Not wings, obliviously. It sounds a lot better when I hum in my native language.

    Thank you, for all you do.

  29. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 8:02 am 

    “China To Only Approve New Solar Projects If They Are As Cheap As Coal”
    https://tinyurl.com/ycc6s2od

    “The requirement for price matching with coal is part of a new set of conditions drafted by China’s National Development and Reform Commission, which will be in effect until 2020 in a bid to handle all the problems resulting from the fast growth in solar and wind capacity installation in recent years, such as energy waste because of grid logjams. In 2017, Parnell notes, 6 percent of solar power output and 12 percent of wind power produced in China was wasted, and although in 2018 the waste was reduced, it still remains problematic. The quick growth in solar in particular also put a strain on Beijing’s wallet because of the generous feed-in subsidies for new installations. In 2017, these hit US$15.6 billion (100 billion yuan) and the government has still not paid these in full. At the rate of new solar capacity approvals from the last few years, subsidy costs would have reached US$39 billion by 2020, according to Wood Mac estimates.”

  30. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 9:10 am 

    No, the real reason they can’t possibly be sustainable is that every single step of their lifecycle depends on fossil fuels, for which there is no electrical substitute in manufacturing and transportation

    Let’s assume that statement were true (it isn’t).

    Renewable electricity can be converted with 80% efficiency into hydrogen and from there in almost any fossil fuel you like, like methane or methanol, at a cost of half a cent per chemical kWh.

    There.

    Your “argument” totally defeated.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/01/12/hydrogen-from-electrolysis-now-cost-competitive/

    Bye-bye and mind the step on the way out, twocats!

  31. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 9:29 am 

    Show me the goods clogged:

    “Renewable electricity can be converted with 80% efficiency into hydrogen and from there in almost any fossil fuel you like, like methane or methanol, at a cost of half a cent per chemical kWh.”
    Fake news when put under the reality microscope

    “Your “argument” totally defeated.”
    Show me commercial level hydrogen plant run by renewables feeding an economy of any size. You can’t so your argument is totally defeated. You are nothing but a blowhard.

  32. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 9:33 am 

    Shut up Clogg you fucking loser. You go bye-bye fascist twat.

  33. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 9:49 am 

    “Show me the goods clogged:”

    How about clicking on the link I provided, dummy.

    “Show me commercial level hydrogen plant run by renewables feeding an economy of any size. You can’t so your argument is totally defeated.”

    That’s not the point. Twocats made the fake “argument” that a renewable energy base can’t work because fossil fuels can’t be replaced. I countered that if necessary fossil fuels can be made efficiently from renewable electricity.

    “Fake news when put under the reality microscope”

    Well, put it under a microscope then, you miserable bluffer. You can’t, you don’t have the brains, otherwise you wouldn’t be a goat farmer in Missouri.

    “Shut up Clogg you fucking loser. You go bye-bye fascist twat.”

    Hey look, the Marxist thing and wannabee rapist and mass murderer of white people is angry.lol

    In more hilarious news:

    “The happiest day in her life”: largest 53 billion divorce coming up for the richest man in the world:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6585747/Insiders-say-Jeff-Bezos-retain-control-Amazon-despite-looming-53-billion-divorce.html

    Probably no longer the richest man anymore. Well done MacKenzie S. Tuttle (probably not jewish)

  34. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 10:04 am 

    “How about clicking on the link I provided, dummy.”
    Show me an economy where renewables are being fed into a hydrogen plant that then is converting the hydrogen into transport fuel and then I will click your stupid personal propaganda WordPress

    “That’s not the point. Twocats made the fake “argument” that a renewable energy base can’t work because fossil fuels can’t be replaced. I countered that if necessary fossil fuels can be made efficiently from renewable electricity.”
    Stuttering with deflection does not equal make it right. Show me the goods clogged.

    BTW, I hope that renewable driven hydrogen liquid fuels are commercially developed and introduced just don’t act like they are because you cobbled some numbers together on your propaganda WordPress. OH, I love how your comment section is closed LMFAO

  35. Cloggie on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 10:15 am 

    “Show me an economy where renewables are being fed into a hydrogen plant”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eku0GuSKiIc

    Oh, hydrogen IS a transport fuel:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/15/worlds-first-hydrogen-train-operational-in-germany/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/garbage-truck-on-hydrogen-in-eindhoven-the-netherlands/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2018/12/25/hydrogen-fuel-cells-penetrating-shipping/

    #FuelCells

    But, alternatively you can convert hydrogen into so-called solar fuels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_fuel

    Figure the rest out for yourself as an exercise.

    BTW, I hope that renewable driven hydrogen liquid fuels are commercially developed and introduced just don’t act like they are because you cobbled some numbers together on your propaganda WordPress. OH, I love how your comment section is closed LMFAO

    You don’t even have a blog, because you have no thoughts or interests or curiosity. You are just a doomer bottom feeder, en route to third world status and hence geopolitically on the way out.

    That’s OK.

    Blessed are the poor in spirit.

  36. Davy on Sun, 13th Jan 2019 10:33 am 

    Cloggie, a train and garbage truck are not an economy engaged in productive affordable commercialized activity. Your examples are small scale experiments that do not scale up currently. You are a fraud clogged. Quit overstepping reality and you may be respected more.

    BTW, I don’t need a blog. I practice what I preach unlike you and your sham 20 hours a day on a obscure web site talking grandiosely about politics and energy.

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