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 Post subject: BBC Online article - "Peak oil enters mainstream debate
New postPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:18 am 
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This is the first article I've ever see on BBC News Online which directly addresses PO....

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4077802.stm


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Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(


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The BBC piece is by Adam Porter who has been writing on PO and energy for some time. Way to go, Adam!


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Cheers mi dear. You saw that before I did!

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I remember seing a number of PO articles from the BBC besides this new one. Links:

Is the world's oil running out fast?

When the last oil well runs dry

Hopefully they will explore the subject in depth. BBC has a lot of respect all over the world.


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savethehumans wrote:
Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(

I don't know about that. Eight years is only a long time if you are a child. I think most adults in industrialized countries think about the next decade to come.


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 Post subject: English name - French word!!
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Deborah White - naive

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Deborah White, senior energy analyst at Societe Generale in Paris, says: "Controlling suburban blight is one way to slow oil consumption until we are a society no longer dependent on oil."


This will make our modern societies "no longer dependent on oil"?????

This type of idiotic statement removes all credibility for Ms. White. How the hell did she ever become a "senior energy analyst"?

Dave


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 Post subject: Re: English name - French word!!
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Dvanharn wrote:
Deborah White - naive

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Deborah White, senior energy analyst at Societe Generale in Paris, says: "Controlling suburban blight is one way to slow oil consumption until we are a society no longer dependent on oil."


This will make our modern societies "no longer dependent on oil"?????

This type of idiotic statement removes all credibility for Ms. White. How the hell did she ever become a "senior energy analyst"?

Dave


It is strange isn't it.

I guess most people here are amateur Peak-oilers - we have jobs outside of the energy industry. But most people here have grasped at least the basics of economics. Yet someone like Ms. White who must be intelligent given her position, who probably spends all day every day thinking about energy, just doesn't seem to mind that everything she touches is oil. It's quite bizarre. How can she be an 'energy analyst' and yet make such a crass statement? It's odd. Really really odd. But she's not the only one. There's loads of them! - so-called analysts who don't seem to know anything.

I can understand when organisations like OPEC deny PO, or even to some extent when governments deny PO, but for an independant analyst whose job it is to be on the ball, to not even seem to understand the issues, is unforgivable. I could have respect for someone like that if they said "I understand PO but disagree with it because of X, Y and Z." but she obviously just doesn't see why there's a problem. Weird.

Maybe she's only a part-time energy analyst - the first Tuesday morning of every month. I wonder what she does the rest of the time.


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Miss White refers to PO as an "idea" :shock:

She suggests that we should stop suburban sprawl.
Hey wait a minute - isnt that the new american dream? 8)

Heres a recent article on U.S. homes sales:

NAR article

Here is an excerpt from the article:

"Existing-home sales are forecast to rise 1.6 percent to a total of 6.89 million this year from a record 6.78 million in 2004, while new-home sales are seen to grow by 3.2 percent to 1.24 million in 2005. At the same time, housing starts are projected to increase 3.4 percent to just over 2.02 million units, the highest level since 1973. "


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savethehumans wrote:
Yeah, but that 2013 PO date they're hawking is just going to make the public yawn and say, "Oh, we've got a few years. Why worry now?" :(


I think anyone that yawns at this number on something of such magnitude has no idea of the implications of what Peak Oil means.

As of two days ago I was on that list of the uninformed. We're preaching to the choir in here, we need to spread the word out there as much as we can (and try not to sound like nutjobs doing it :)

From what I've read throughout many articles over the internet, 2013 is the projected peak for ALL oils, not just crude. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this analysis.


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Mango wrote:
From what I've read throughout many articles over the internet, 2013 is the projected peak for ALL oils, not just crude. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this analysis.


If you mean here "conventional and unconventional oil", that's possibly correct. Of course, different people have different dates on peak oil.


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Cheers mi dear. You saw that before I did!

all the best
adam


Love to hear some more of your original thoughts on this.

Everybody say Hi, to the author of the piece in question.

:)

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