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10 Years after Peak Oil?

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2 men enter, 1 man leaves35 %35 %35 % 35.29% (402)

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Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by bobbyald (PeakOilMan@PlanetEarth.com) on Thursday, September 29 @ 06:12:19 EDT
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To correctly answer this question the most important thing to understand is not PO or alternative energy sources but human nature.

If you fully understand human nature I'm sorry to say option 5 (Die-off) is inevitable.



Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Reverend_slappy on Thursday, September 29 @ 06:54:43 EDT
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Bobby is right. It's the stupidity of the common man that gets us into this. Buying huge homes they can't afford, buying huge and unpractical vehicles because "everybody is doing it." Wait, scratch stupidity (although people are indeed stupid). It's the vanity of people that has gotten us into this. Like Al Pachino's character in "The Devil's Advocate" says: "Vanity is definitly my favorite sin."

It's this MTV-fueled infatuation with making people think you are rich when you can barely afford your finance charges. Look at your TV. We have "richness" thrown in our faces at every turn. It's pathetic. It's great that, at some point, a family member was ingenuitive enough to make a bunch of money, otherwise his/her completely talentless offspring would die.

Im 27, I just passed the bar, I OWN my 2000 Dodge Intrepid (I'd like a Jetta TDI, but I'm 6'8" and 225 pounds, what can you do, you know?), I live in a modest all-electric apartment, I've paid off ALL my loans and am debt-free. Actually, I'm getting ahead. Yet I shop at Target for my clothes, not the Gap or Armani like MTV says I should. I bike anywhere that is not work related, thus I am pretty fit. And, as an environmental attorney, I lobby for alternative fuels and raising CAFE standards to wean us off of oil. The technology is there, don't let ANYBODY tell you we can't make a Yukon that gets 60 mpg. GM and Ford just don't make any money off them. It really IS that simple.

Don't get me wrong, I want nice things. I'd love a big house, as I am a big guy and will likely have big kids. But I'm waiting until I can actually afford to do these things. Though I will never, and I promise this, EVER drive an SUV.

The truely educated shall find a way. The uneducated masses will continue to do what they're told.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Peakoil_Tarzan on Thursday, September 29 @ 10:02:08 EDT
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I couldn't choose from any of these. I think it's fair to assume that for some, life will be "worse." But as we all know, one man's misfortune is another man's opportunity. So, no doubt -- no matter how bad things may get -- some will prosper.

In general, I have to agree with J Kunstler's view that some areas of the country will fare better than others -- though I'm not inclined to agree with him that the Northeastern and Mid-western parts of the US will fare any better than other parts of the country (I have to heat 6 months out of the year in Western MA). I've lived most of my life in the Southern US and, while true that there are serious ethnic tensions (as there are in any heterogeneous society -- look what Europe is struggling with right now), a lot of Southerners rely pretty heavily on their spiritual faith to see them through tough times. I don't happen to agree with a lot of their thinking ("God visited this misery on me for a reason" and other bone-headed notions that we won't get into), but a good portion of these people can be counted on to do the right thing when the going gets rough -- not all of them, but a good portion.

As for what happened in NOLA post-Katrina, you'll see the thugs come out in any city if the lights go out; Northern, Southern, Mid-Western -- it won't matter. We've been producing young'uns faster than we can socialize, educate, and employ them and we'll all feel the heat for that no matter where we live. I do think -- and I've always said this -- that the most solid and likely-to-be-sustainable communities are those where everyone knows everyone else. So, I will agree with Kunslter on this point: I think the rural areas and small towns will be better places to be post-Peak.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by ubercynicmeister (OzSteamer atitsafake .yahoo.com) on Thursday, September 29 @ 17:14:26 EDT
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It seems there's the general idea that (somehow) life Post Peak Oil and Post Peak Energy will be a sort of "Agrarian Feminist Nirvana" with the women in charge and the guys voluntarily castrating themselves, persumably without benefit of anasthetic, so to "make up for what men did to women in the past" (like go and die down coal-mines to give their families an income) - and thus we'll live in Heaven-On-Earth.

Truth be told - if Peak Oil turns into Peak Energy (it doesn't HAVE to) then the "surviuval of the fittest" will kick in in the most vicious and Darwinian of ways.

We've already gotten rid of the idea of "women and children to the life-boats first", so Post Peak Energy, it really will be a case of whoever can act the cruellest, fight the most treacherously, butcher the quickest and be rid of all traces of ethical behaviour first, they'll be the "winner". "Competition", unfettered by Traditional ethics, will rule the day.

"two men enter, one man leaves" doesn't even come close, under that regime.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Tyler_JC on Thursday, September 29 @ 17:37:18 EDT
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The untalented will dieoff over time, Inshallah.

Those with useful skills will be more likely to survive.

If you have no skills, life will almost certainly be worse for you in 10 years. But if you have a useful trade or good investments...you may be better off.

It's a very personal question.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Raxozanne on Friday, September 30 @ 02:00:24 EDT
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A bit like Battle Royale then ubercynicmeister? hehe


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Heineken on Friday, September 30 @ 05:40:50 EDT
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Shouldn't that last option be "One man enters, two men leave"?? If two men enter and one leaves, you get continued population explosion, not dieoff.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by backstop (Commoner@Commons) on Friday, September 30 @ 07:10:29 EDT
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The item :
2 men enter, 1 man leaves is meaningless to most people around the world whose imaginatons are not delineated by holywood fantasies.

Using such a line trivializes the issue and in my view setting this on the Home page discredits the site.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Aaron on Friday, September 30 @ 12:58:57 EDT
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Those unable to decipher the 5th poll choice are exempt from voting.

Obviously one man's trash, is another man's treasure. And if you're saying that a "tongue in cheek" choice is crossing some imaginary line... well... you may have a point.

I personally think having a staff member criticize the site like that in public is even further across the lie myself. But that's what patience is all about.

It is tolerance which allows a person like myself, to tolerate the presence of others who may not share my world view or experience.

And a good thing it is too... because if everybody was alike...

That would be creepy...

:)

(Place carefully in politically correct pipe & smoke away)


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by stupid_monkeys on Friday, September 30 @ 14:34:34 EDT
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sigh...


Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (Score: 1)
by jlpicard2 on Friday, September 30 @ 16:39:59 EDT
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I got a good laugh at the Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome reference "Tagline: Two men enter. One man leaves." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089530/

I hope it isn't that bad.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by auctionmonster (pleasevisitmywebsiteifyouwanttoemailme) on Friday, September 30 @ 21:14:30 EDT
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Our society post peak will be mostly determined by geography, whereas the rural areas will be better equiped with less crime and the cities will be a more "Mad Max" based scenerio. Though I must quip Mad Max is not very realistic in a gang based society, it will be more like 10 men enter 9 men leave.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by bobcousins on Saturday, October 01 @ 01:52:26 EDT
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It's true that human nature is leading us into problems. But human nature is also capable of adapting to change and achieving great things. Selection will be more on a community basis - those with strong social cohesion will fare better. Community defines the modern human more than any other attribute.

Society has changed enormously just since WW2. Long commutes are now the norm. People and business will have to readapt back to local operations. This will be less efficient (reduced economies of scale), so wealth will decrease.

As for the poll - it's succinct and descriptive. In countries where democracy is fragile, they are already returning to feudal societies.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Heineken on Saturday, October 01 @ 11:00:04 EDT
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I have to agree with Aaron that backstop's comment was harsh (and I'm sorry, Aaron, if my own comment precipitated it---certainly not my intention). However, let's continue to celebrate freedom of speech, including the freedom to write (and comment weirdly on) ambiguous survey items! :)


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by killJOY (psycho@large.com) on Sunday, October 02 @ 16:22:00 EDT
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Number five.

Two years ago, I wouldn't have voted that way. I had some hope.

That was then. This is now.

No one is doing anything. Except those who are, of course, but we're in the minority, and we seem focused on saving our own hides.

To quote monkey: sigh.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by mattzgone on Tuesday, October 04 @ 19:49:56 EDT
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I absolutely think that the major extermination of the majority of the human (esp American) race will be at hand. The few who know how to survive with no oil are too few and the rest, who undoubtably unprepared will scavange the cities, desperately trying to grasp a life once led. Obviously, this can only go on for so long, and after the rampage of our cities, suburbs and then wilderness, time will tell if any of us are left.


Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by skyemoor on Wednesday, October 05 @ 09:11:34 EDT
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> I personally think having a staff member criticize the site like that in public is even further across the lie myself. But that's what patience is all about.

There are those who have been arrogant and condescending in many situations where people were offering reasonable input, so perhaps we're seeing how human nature works under medium levels of stress (i.e., worrying about PO).

What comes around, goes around. How do we work together to accomplish mitigations to PO, even if they are only at the level of small communities?

A caustic, cynical doomer attitude does not resonate with people, as it conflicts with their survival instinct.

What are you trying to accomplish?



Re: 10 Years after Peak Oil? (Score: 1)
by Aaron on Thursday, October 06 @ 06:30:52 EDT
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