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Top Billionaires Meet In NYC To Discuss Population Control

Anything happening today that looks like these folks may be implementing their plans ?   It’s so nice of these wonderful people to be deciding the fate of billions of human beings while they stuff their vile faces. Instead of figuring out ways to help their less fortunate brothers and sisters, they plan ways to exterminate the less fortunate as if they were insects and pests…..even though it was upon the backs, labor and toil of these less fortunate that their wealth came to them.  These people are supposed to be the shinning example of what great things man can be and do instead they are just the opposite. What disgraces.

Perhaps they would like to step to the front of the lines for their many suggested and planned solutions. What’s good for the goose is just as good for the gander.

Step up and lead by example you wonderful Billionaires and Trillionaires. Step up and take all those wonderful new vaccines you’ve been developing, start consuming that wonderful poison laden worthless GMO crap labeled food you’ve been producing, give up all those special secret antidotes to all the diseases you’ve created for us, start drinking the warter you’ve purposefully contaminated as you’ve made your billions and trillions.  No matter what you plan to do to exterminate us we will overcome it and you.

 

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(Paul B Farrell)  So what’s the biggest time-bomb for Obama, America, capitalism, the world? No, not global warming. Not poverty. Not even peak oil. What is the absolute biggest, one like the trigger mechanism on a nuclear bomb, one that’ll throw a wrench in global economic growth, ending capitalism, even destroying modern civilization?

The one that — if not solved soon — renders all efforts to solve all the other problems in the world, irrelevant, futile and virtually impossible?

News flash: the “Billionaires Club” knows: Bill Gates called billionaire philanthropists to a super-secret meeting in Manhattan last May. Included: Buffett, Rockefeller, Soros, Bloomberg, Turner, Oprah and others meeting at the “home of Sir Paul Nurse, a British Nobel prize biochemist and president of the private Rockefeller University, in Manhattan,” reports John Harlow in the London TimesOnline. During an afternoon session each was “given 15 minutes to present their favorite cause. Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an ‘umbrella cause’ that could harness their interests.”

The world’s biggest time-bomb? Overpopulation, say the billionaires.

And yet, global governments with their $50 trillion GDP, aren’t even trying to solve the world’s overpopulation problem. G-20 leaders ignore it. So by 2050 the Earth’s population will explode by almost 50%, from 6.6 billion today to 9.3 billion says theUnited Nations.

And what about those billionaires and their billions? Can they stop the trend? Sadly no. Only a major crisis, a global catastrophe, a collapse beyond anything prior in world history will do it. Here’s why:

Civilizations collapse fast, crises trigger, leaders clueless

“One of the disturbing facts of history is that so many civilizations collapse,” warns Jared Diamond, an environmental biologist, Pulitzer prize winner and author of “Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed.” Many “civilizations share a sharp curve of decline. Indeed, a society’s demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power.”

Other voices are darker, shrill: “We’re past the point of no return.” “It’s already too late.” “The end is near.” As with Rome’s collapse, it happens fast. Clueless leaders are caught off-guard, like Greenspan, Bernanke and Paulson a couple years ago.

Call it “WWIII: The Population Wars.” A few years ago Fortune analyzed a classified Pentagon report predicting that “climate could change radically and fast. That would be the mother of all national security issues” Population unrest would then create “massive droughts, turning farmland into dust bowls and forests to ashes.” And “by 2020 there is little doubt that something drastic is happening … an old pattern could emerge; warfare defining human life.” War will be the end-game: For capitalism, civilization, earth?

Diamond’s 12-part equation is very simple, fits perfectly with a global warfare scenario: “More people require more food, space, water, energy, and other resources … There is a long built-in momentum to human population growth called the ‘demographic bulge’ with a disproportionate number of children and young reproductive-age people.” And if the “bulge” stops for any reason, game over. Economic “growth” ends, killing capitalism.

So look closely: Diamond’s equation has 12 time-bombs. But note, the first two are the biggest triggers in the formula. The other 10 are derivative variables.

1. Overpopulation Multiplier

According to TimesOnline: A few months before the billionaires meeting Gates noted: “Official [U.N.] projections say the world’s population will peak at 9.3 billion [up from 6.6 billion today] but with charitable initiatives, such as better reproductive health care, we think we can cap that at 8.3 billion.” Still, that’s 23% more than today’s 6.6 billion.

Can it be stopped? In a recent special issue of Scientific American, population was called “the most overlooked and essential strategy for achieving long-term balance with the environment.” Why? Population’s the new “third-rail” for politicians. So they ignore it.

Yet, if all nations consumed resources at the same rate as America, we’d need six Earths to survive. Unfortunately that scenario is unstoppable. Because by 2050, while America’s population grows from 300 million to a mere 400 million, the rest of the world will explode from 6.3 billion to 8.9 billion, with over 1.4 billion each in China and India.

2. Population Impact Multiplier

Diamond warns: “There are ‘optimists’ who argue that the world could support double its human population.” But he adds, they “consider only the increase in human numbers and not average increase in per-capita impact. But I have not heard anyone who seriously argues that the world could support 12 times it’s current impact.” And yet, that’s exactly what happens with “all third-world inhabitants adopting first-world standards.”

Folks, we oversold the American dream. Now everyone wants it. Not just 300 million Americans, but 6.3 billion people worldwide are demanding more, more, more!

“What really counts,” says Diamond, “is not the number of people alone, but their impact on the environment,” the “per-capita impact.” First-world citizens “consume 32 times more resources such as fossil fuels, and put out 32 times more waste, than do the inhabitants of the Third World.” So the race is on: “Low impact people are becoming high-impact people” aspiring “to first-world living standards.” The American dream is now the global dream.

Warning: The “Impact Multiplier” will drive the global “WWIII-Population Wars” equation even if there is zero population growth to 2050!

In Diamond’s masterpiece, “Collapse,” the two key variables are what we call the “Over-Population Multiplier” and “Population Impact Multiplier.” Now let’s closely examine Diamond’s other 10 variables that are driving our “WWIII-Population Wars” equation:

3. Food

Two billion people, mostly poor, depend on fish and other wild foods for protein. They “have collapsed or are in steep decline” forcing use of more costly animal proteins. The U.N. calls the global food crisis a “silent tsunami.” Food prices rise making it worse for the 2.7 billion living below poverty levels on two dollars a day.

In “The End of Plenty,” National Geographic warns that even a new “green revolution” of “synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and irrigation, supercharged by genetically engineered seeds” may fail. Why? A joint World Bank/U.N. study “concluded that the immense production increases brought about by science and technology the past 30 years have failed to improve food access for many of the world’s poor.”

Meanwhile, a Time cover story warns that America’s “addiction to meat” has led to farming that’s “destructive of the soil, the environment and us.”

4. Water

Diamond warns: “Most of the world’s fresh water in rivers and lakes is already being used for irrigation, domestic and industrial water,” transportation, fisheries and recreation. Water problems destroyed many earlier civilizations: “Today over a million people lack access to reliable safe drinking water.” British International Development Minister recently warned that two-thirds of the world will live in water-stressed countries by 2015.

Water will trade like oil futures as wars are fought over water and other basic essentials noted earlier in Fortune’s analysis of the Pentagon report predicting that warfare will define human life in this scenario of the near future.

5. Farmland

Crop soils are “being carried away by water and wind erosion at rates between 10 to 40 times the rates of soil formation,” much higher in forests where the soil-erosion rate is “between 500 and 10,000 times” replacement rate. And this is increasing in today’s new age of the 100,000-acre megafires.

6. Forests

We are destroying natural habitats and rain forests at an accelerating rate. Half the world’s original forests have been converted to urban developments. A quarter of what remains will be converted in the next 50 years.

7. Toxic chemicals

Often our solutions create more problems than they solve. For example, industries “manufacture or release into the air, soil, oceans, lakes, and rivers many toxic chemicals” that break down slowly or not at all. Consider the deadly impact of insecticides, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, plastics … the list is endless.

8. Energy resources: oil, natural gas and coal

Pimco manages $747 billion: equity, bonds and commodity funds. Manager Bill Gross recently described a “significant break” in the world’s “growth pattern.” He’s betting we’re past the “peak oil” tipping point. Consumer shopping will continue declining as economies grow very slowly in the future and “corporate profits will be static.”

A recent issue of Foreign Policy Journal warns of the “7 Myths About Alternative Energy.” Are biofuels, solar and nuclear the “major ticket?” No, they’re not, never will be.

9. Solar energy

Sunlight is not unlimited. Diamond: We’re already using “half of the Earth’s photosynthetic capacity” and we will reach the max by mid-century. In “Plundering the Amazon,” Bloomberg Markets magazine warned that Alcoa, Cargill and other companies “have bypassed laws designed to prevent destruction of the world’s largest rain forest … robbing the earth of its best shield against global warming.”

Free market capitalism may be the enemy of survival.

10. Ozone layer

“Human activities produce gases that escape into the atmosphere” where they can destroy the protective ozone or absorb and reduce solar energy.

11. Diversity

“A significant fraction of wild species, populations and genetic diversity has been lost, and at present rates, a large percent of the rest will disappear in half century.”

12. Alien species

Transferring species to lands where they’re not native can have unintended and catastrophic effects, “preying on, parasitizing, infecting or outcompeting” native animals and plants that lack evolutionary resistance.

In spite of the clear message in Diamond’s 12 time-bombs, he still says he’s a “cautious optimist.” What fuels his hope? Our leaders need “the courage to practice long-term thinking, and to make bold, courageous, anticipatory decisions at a time when problems have become perceptible but before they reach crisis proportions.”

Unfortunately, history tells us that cautious leaders are myopic, driven more by self-interest and nationalism than courage and long-term thinking. Eventually they’re caught off guard and their worlds collapse, fast. They only respond to crises.

And, yes, out of crisis may come opportunity. As Nobel economist Milton Friedman put it in his classic, “Capitalism and Freedom:” “Only a crisis — actual or perceived — produces real change” because in the aftermath of crisis “the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.” Too many, however, delay and respond to crises with too little, too late.

Bottom line: The betting odds are 100% that global leaders will wait for a Pentagon-style “black swan” crisis before acting. Unfortunately, that delay positions the “WWIII: The Population Wars” dead ahead.

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47 Comments on "Top Billionaires Meet In NYC To Discuss Population Control"

  1. Hello on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 7:54 pm 

    There should be mandatory neutering for all 3rd world immigrants to the 1st world.

  2. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 8:01 pm 

    Do you see evil incarnate in the picture above? I do. Prime example of the billionaire’s mass homicide under way. How do you speed up the extinction? Tainted vaccines, unnecessary wars, ‘terrorist’ chaos, lab created diseases, medicines that do not work, financial systems that destroy civilization’s supports, etc.

    Would that I could send the thousands of billionaires and their wannabees, ALL to the moon, naked, so their desiccated skeletons could sit and stare back, for all eternity, at the planet they ruined with their greed.

    If you don’t believe that this mass homicide is happening, you have your head where the sun doesn’t shine. Pull it out and educate yourself while the internet is still functioning and relatively censor free. That day is fast coming to a close.

  3. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 8:02 pm 

    Hello, maybe your parents deserved ‘neutering’ also? Then where would you be? LOL

  4. Steve on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 8:44 pm 

    “betting odds are 100% that global leaders will wait for a Pentagon-style “black swan” crisis before acting”

    …because global “leaders” are puppets of corporations who what more customers and cheaper labor (ie, more people)

    …pair global corps with the “bleeding hearts” that are just going to love us all to more wars, violence and death – and that is the path we are on

    given how the world functions as a unit – which is does not – each nation needs to manage its own population at a level their lands cans support

    no doubt, wealthier nations needs to back away from the trough…and they need to provide emerg support where needed – but all longer term assistance needs to predicated on stopping pop growth and even reversing if appropiate. Each country is diff, but many times it just comes down to women’s empowerment and education, basic infrastructure, and, yes, birth control resources

  5. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 9:25 pm 

    Hello/Nony/Marmico/Quintard or whatever you prefer to be called. You’re a troll. It’s easy to see. I wager 20 bucks says the average 3rd world immigrant could kick the ass of the average fat lazy stupid American. When the famine hits the gloves will come off and I’m betting a lot of Yanks get their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouth before they get a bullet in the head.

  6. Boat on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:12 pm 

    For starters we should not encourage children with tax breaks. Single people have to subsidize school, healthcare, education for households who have children.
    Then end immigration legal and illegal. Educated populations drop populations, uneducated ones don’t.

  7. apneaman on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:14 pm 

    Batshit Crazy…

    http://survivalacres.com/blog/batshit-crazy/

  8. apneaman on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:24 pm 

    Truck of corpses, new shipwreck intensify Europe’s migrant crisis

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-europe-grants-eu-austria-idUSKCN0QW19H20150827

  9. Davy on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:33 pm 

    Truth with an asshole mouth does that wager include Canada?

  10. steve on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:36 pm 

    Look Liberal bias!! I don’t like the wealthy americans either but shit but shut the fuck up if that is all you can write you retard!!

    Liberal bias said

    When the famine hits the gloves will come off and I’m betting a lot of Yanks get their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouth before they get a bullet in the head.

  11. James Tipper on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:50 pm 

    In nature you have this thing called the carrying capacity. Animals can only breed and exist up until the point where their environment allows them too. Also there are natural carrying capacities on Earth that were lifted thanks to industrialization. What I would call the “natural” carrying capacity before any industrialization was probably around 500 million – 1 billion.

    If people in the future want to live in an industrialized world (which I imagine they though) then probably in by 2100 there will be under 500 million people easily. Especially on a polluted world with resources being used left and right. The question really is how long do we have before population peaks as well? I’d say probably once the full ramifications of peak oil take place worldwide (it won’t be overnight) then population will be reduced.

  12. Davy on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 10:55 pm 

    Steve, the guy is a puss. He refuses to engage with me in a conversation. He is nothing more than a retard with a foul mouth. Must be a juvenile who is feeling his first hormones. They usually have the foulest mouths coupled with thinking problems. You know their brain has not fully developed yet.

  13. James Tipper on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 11:01 pm 

    “When the famine hits the gloves will come off and I’m betting a lot of Yanks get their dicks cut off and shoved in their mouth before they get a bullet in the head.” -Truth has a liberal bias

    Start with yourself, sounds like you have some deep sexual issues.

    Also these billionaires should stop flying over the globe, living in palaces, driving multiple cars, and eating exotic food if they truly want to help the planet.

  14. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 11:24 pm 

    “Nowhere in the Western media other than a few alternative media websites is there an ounce of integrity. The Western media is a Ministry of Truth that operates full-time in support of the artificial existence that Westerners live inside The Matrix where Westerners exist without thought. Considering their inaptitude and inaction, Western peoples might as well not exist.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-27/where-neo-when-we-need-him

    Had to applaud that comment. Too much truth in this article for the American sheeple to handle…lol.

  15. SilentRunning on Thu, 27th Aug 2015 11:34 pm 

    I’m glad there are people with resources who are working on the menace of overpopulation.

    Oh, and population control is not “extermination” – just cutting the number of births to equal or somewhat less than the number of natural deaths.

    Why does this sane, necessary idea make so many people spout insane drivel? Could it be they have been brainwashed by an insane church like the Roman Catholic one?

  16. theedrich on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 2:01 am 

    America:  a bribe-ocracy filled with psychopaths.  The real predicament is not that some Evil Rich People want to “holocaust” the rest (the usual Zionist myth), but that the earth itself (or herself) has LIMITS.  The ERP are simply seemingly more capable of doing something about it, although even they are in fact impotent.  Years ago, the late William Shockley, who shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for having developed the transistor, suggested that potential welfare moms be paid some given amount for every month that they were NOT pregnant.  Naturally, the Jews went bat**** over him, claiming he was Hitler redux, etc., etc.  Plus, the anti-intellectual Christian types, who prefer cherry-picking certain parts of the Bible to fit their twisted fantasies, joined the mythmakers in posing as horrified over the whole idea.  Much better to stick one’s head in the sand and pretend that Yahweh will somehow save the planet at the last moment.  Today the money-slurping immigration lawyers have joined in to push us over the edge as well.  Never mind the hordes of people smugglers and other invaders.  A current upstart in the political competition for the presidency has suggested building a real and effective wall to stop Mexican criminals from invading and plopping out anchor babies.  The MSM are of course unified in doing their best to provoke the psychopaths into taking him out for them.  So there is zero chance that the overpopulation tsunami is going to be blocked.  The only possible conclusion:  the masses want to die in one big orgy of self-righteousness.

  17. GregT on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 3:11 am 

    theedrich,

    Thanks for the chuckle, and don’t get me wrong, I completely agree with you.

  18. Davy on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 3:49 am 

    Mak said “Do you see evil incarnate in the picture above? I do. Prime example of the billionaire’s mass homicide under way.” Mak I ask you to reflect on your war lust I read in your comments routinely. I have read so many times you call for the death of Americans and the US in a NUk war. You talk gleefully of death of millions because they are the enemy. You are a hypocrite Mak blaming the billionaires for their mass killings when you yourself would love to play a god and deliver death.

    Many of us here talk about the only choice humanity has and that is a mass death. We are in carrying capacity overshoot. We are in bottleneck territory. This may unfold over 5-10-20 years but it is clear this growth trend of our species will end soon. Many of us understand that a die off is ahead. We can talk the class warfare like Mak but the inconvenient truth is many of us right here right now on this board will and must die because of overshoot. Our lives will end prematurely per normal recent historical life spans. This will happen because of overshoot does it matter how? It will happen because this is a natural law for any and all species.

    Our species will have to rebalance both consumption and population. This is going to make all other previous die off events look insignificant. This will be more than just our species die off it will occur within an ongoing global species wide extinction event of our own making. We can point our fingers at the war pigs and powers to be who will or may participate in the death of billions. Nature will do the dirty work if they fail in their undertakings. I find it very offensive for someone like Mak to point finger then talk war lust in his comments especially when his war lust is directed towards my home and my people. We need hospice talk not war lust.

  19. Davy on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 3:55 am 

    Mak said “Nowhere in the Western media other than a few alternative media websites is there an ounce of integrity. The Western media is a Ministry of Truth that operates full-time in support of the artificial existence that Westerners live inside The Matrix where Westerners exist without thought”

    I am very much in agreement Mak but look around your own back yard in Asia. It is worse in Asia by far. In China they are threatening to throw people in jail for short selling. Tell me they won’t’ throw people in jail for anything that gets in the way of the authorities agenda.

    Mak, this is a global issue of a world quickly unraveling and flying out of control. Pointing fingers and playing the class warfare card appeal to the anti-Americans but it just proves to me you are agenda seeking hipocrit.

  20. GregT on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 4:21 am 

    Davy,

    Why do you continue to vehemently support a corrupt system that you have so clearly opted out of yourself? As an outsider looking in, you have far more in common with Mak than you appear able to acknowledge. You are both doing the same things, in different locals. From my point of view, Mak is fed up with the oligarchs in DC, while you continue to support them. America is not you Davy. America is imaginary lines drawn in the sand by a highly corrupt group of individuals to keep you in servitude. You are one of their livestock Davy, and you are fighting for your owners.

  21. onlooker on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 4:46 am 

    Makati thank you for that dose of truth hard to swallow for some but the truth nevertheless. I live within the Matrix-USA. But I know where I live and how I live, I am not a slave. Free your mind. The ironic thing is the elites/billionaires do not really have to do anything more they already have set the stage for a mass die-off to boot.

  22. Davy on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 4:49 am 

    Nope Greg, my complaints about Mak are complaints related to the truth. Do not put words in my mouth. I am not in support of this system and you know it. I am also not going to listen to the anti-Americans diminish the west and talk up the east and the brics. This is a global affair with all parties in the dirt.

    Mak is distorting the truth. He is taking sides. I will tolerate anti-Americanism if it is in context with criticism of the rest of the global system that is part of the same insanity. Canada is little better than the US. I guarantee you if you had 6 Canada’s together in a United States of Canada they would be just as bad as The United States of America. There is nothing coming out of Canada that Canadians can brag about at any level. It just so happens the US is so large and dominant at every level that we are the ones that have the power to corrupt and destroy.

    The same is true and Asia. I hear very little criticism here for China that is killing the world. China is militarizing and seeking the same path the US has gone down. We can single out the US because it goes with the territory but I am not going to tolerate the Makster’s agenda of truth distortion by talking up his heroes and bashing the US. His heroes are turds. There are no heroes Greg including Canada.

    Greg you know we have come to agree to disagree and several issues. One of those issues should be Mak. He is my fight. He can end this if he like. He can moderate his inflammatory rhetoric by being (more) fair and balanced. It does not have to be my point of view just respectful. He can use different language to say the same thing. He can omit certain unfair, bias, and bigoted statements. I am here every day he can respect me as a fellow board member. I have asked him this on multiple occasions.

    You on rare occasions ask Mak to lighten up but most of the time you accuse me of supporting the establishment. This is because you like what Mak is saying on many levels. Many of the other anti-Americans are the same. I accept anti-Americanism if it is done with respect for Americans. I am American and this is my home. I don’t need non Americans shoving anti-American shit down my throat. I also don’t need people to give it to me in the ass and tell me to like it because it is my government and I deserve it. This is a global affair now. I am trying to leave all of it as best I can. I ain’t going to vote and I would vote for no other leader in the world today. They are all turds.

    If it is fair and balance I am not going to say anything about anti-American comments. If it is the truth it needs to be talked about. I rarely if ever call you out Greg. You and the Ape Man routinely bash America but you also speak of other nations ills. This works with me but not what Mak does. Anybody else here that has a problem with this then ignore me or we can get a moderator. Until that happens rightly or wrongly it is my duty to attack the Mak attacks. He is a personal mission. I think he likes it BTW. Sick old men need attention. IMA, I am likely mentally ill. Not much you can do with mentally ill people right Greg!

  23. Davy on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 4:59 am 

    Onlooker I have said my peace on the subject above. Mak is popular here because people like you like to point fingers and take sides. This is precisely the time when we need to point less fingers and start looking at ourselves and how we fit into this insanity.

    I am not here for popularity. I will tell it like it is from my point of view. I don’t claim to be right but I am not afraid to point to what I see as the truth. I am struggling to get closer to the truth in a time of noise and mass insanity. Other than this board I am a reclusive perma-culture farmer that tries to remain on the farm. I do less damage to the world by remaining as local as I can.

  24. joke on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 5:17 am 

    It’s important to view our civilisation as beginning in the 20thc oil and mass production caused the existing empires to try to take advantage of the new paradigm.
    There is a new paradigm emerging now.
    The example of Rome is relevant today because it’s not hard to repeat the behaviors of those times. Rome was a great success until it’s prime resource, grain from Africa stopped coming. All its gold became worthless in a short period and then it became a free for all.
    Our oil civilisation is now absorbing a generation who want to be part of the developed world, but like Ancient Rome, they have not come to defend it, because it’s caused them so much pain.
    It’s fairly clear that the ’emigrant crisis’, is part of an obvious secret deal they have made to relieve the pressure on the middle east government to prevent total collapse and the destruction of easy oil supplies. But they clearly are not concerning themselves with the consequences of this decision.
    Civil unrest in Europe is almost a certainty as the changes that will take place in 10yrs socially and demographically drive friction between existing European culture and the new muslim communities which will emerge. In the last 20yrs European Politicans have ignored these trends because it suited their goals but all trends reverse themselves and balance out. Every Darwinist knows this. Social Darwinism is no different. These billionaires are nothing if not Darwinist.
    The world is going to change drastically and soon, but right now there is a generation of globalist and mega-rich political figures willing to paper over the obvious holes in the system. Governments are the biggest buyers in the ‘free markets’ because the Plutocrats need help staying in control of a dead system, without government, the system would have collapsed in 08. Emmgration is an admission of defeat, because we can see that we have no control of anything, not of foreign lands, or even our own borders. All that is keeping things going is that the current generation in power still believes they can save it, either through new energy forms, or ‘sharing wealth’. The iran nuclear deal is another signal that 45 years of conflict with Iran has yielded nothing.
    Europe is the soft underbelly of the globalist system, because it’s governments are weak and their borders undefended and porous. In their current crisis they are taking in millions of people for whom they have no idea what is going to happen to them. As European culture islamises Americans will find they have far fewer friends in the world until one day America is the pariah, but that won’t stop the immigrants from coming, and soon (20yrs from now), they will all have EU passports. Just as Rome slowly adopted barbarian culture as immigrants slowly changed the system until the system no longer existed, the same will happen in our time, but communications and technology will ensure it happens extremely fast.
    This wouldn’t be much of a problem if the culture taking over really did more than pay lip service to words like secularism and equality. I always say if you are a white angosaxon male, you really should be happy islamism is rising, all you have to do is grow a beard, build a mineret outside your church, and your dreams come true, women back in the kitchen and gays back in the closit. It’s the modern globalist equality loving liberals who are most at risk.

  25. Plantagenet on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 5:44 am 

    The reason immigrants from 3rd world countries are desperate to get into the EU and USA is not because we oversold it—- it’s because people are much wealthier in the EU and USA then in 3rd world countries. I’m in Varanasi India now, and while the old city and temples are spectacular to visit, for people who live here have to struggle every day to survive

  26. Kenz300 on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 6:27 am 

    Birth Control Permanent Methods: Learn About Effectiveness

    http://www.emedicinehealth.com/birth_control_permanent_methods/article_em.htm

    The least educated people have the most children…
    The poorest people have the most children………

    conversely

    The most educated people have the least children……..
    The wealthiest people have the fewest children……………
    Hhhhhhhmmmmmmm seems to be a trend here………

    want to be poor …. have more children that you can afford to provide for………….

  27. JuanP on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 6:31 am 

    Hello “There should be mandatory neutering for all 3rd world immigrants to the 1st world.”

    As a “Third World” immigrant to the “First World” who had a Vasectomy and no children, I just want to say that neutering imbeciles like you should be the first priority. You are an arrogant, ignorant piece of shit. It is because the world is full of imbeciles like you that I never seriously considered producing biological offspring. You are not worth the air you breathe. You should consider killing yourself, too.

  28. JuanP on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 7:02 am 

    I skipped the article because I didn’t like its approach to the subject.

    I believe in using any and all nonviolent means available to us to reduce population growth and revert it, but I think humans are not smart enough to do it and they will opt for the three traditional ways to do it: war, famine, and plague. I hope I die before it happens, butI fear I won’t be that lucky.

  29. onlooker on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 8:01 am 

    I see I have intruded on an ongoing feud here. I am not about feuding just here to hear other views and opinions and offer my own. Davy I agree with your overall point that the intractable problems the world faces can be blamed on everyone to a large degree. If I may I think where Mak is especially incensed is the perceived ignorance of Americans in not understanding the state of the world and the blame US has in reaching this state. Other then that I see that most here agree that we are in for some truly epic consequences. If people wish to point fingers okay point them at the elites, wealthy and those in power. Better yet let us all try and unite to think of and perhaps even create a better world.

  30. Davy on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 8:13 am 

    Fair enough onlooker. I didn’t intend to jump you it just came out that way. I was unable to sleep last night got up and raised hell on the board. I get excited at times. I appreciate your comment.

  31. Makati1 on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 9:03 am 

    Onlooker, “If I may I think where Mak is especially incensed is the perceived ignorance of Americans in not understanding the state of the world and the blame US has in reaching this state.”

    Bingo! You got it in one. Thanks.

    Unfortunately, some here do not want to see what I am ‘incensed’ about because it makes them too uncomfortable.

    I’m glad there are still a few of us who have open minds and realize that we allowed it to happen and allow it to continue. It is too late for me to make a difference, but I see the time coming when the citizens will either rise up with pitchforks or they will submit to the lash from their masters and become slaves.

    BTW: http://www.globalresearch.ca/visual-of-global-military-expenditures-us-comprises-half-of-global-military-spending/5472246

    Is there any rational reason why a small country with less then 5% of the world’s population should spend over half of the world’s military budget?

  32. penury on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 9:50 am 

    IMHO there are no answers. We all want “good” ANSWERS, IN OTHER WORDS WE WANT THE “DISNEY” ENDING WHERE IT AL WORKS OUT AND THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.Not going to happen what you have to look forward to is more “Old Yeller’ and you are the dog. There are too many people, too few resources and not all 9 billion people can live in EU or U.S. So the conditions which you see in 3rd world are coming to a country near you. Yep the evil billionaires are discussing how to eliminate the poor and improve their life style, but has always been thus. Live with it.

  33. dubya on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 11:18 am 

    I skimmed over this article trying to figure out if the point was
    a. the billionaires have developed a successful birth control system (apparently not)
    b. We are going to die out if we don’t breed more
    or
    c. We are going to die out if we do breed more.

    I have not figured it out, but I’m going with ‘b’.

  34. dubya on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 11:20 am 

    I skimmed over this article trying to figure out if the point was
    a. the billionaires have developed a successful birth control system (apparently not)
    b. We are going to die out if we don’t breed more
    or
    c. We are going to die out if we do breed more.

    I have not figured it out, but personally I’m going with ‘c’.

  35. BC on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 2:42 pm 

    Thanks, gents, for your considered, impassioned views and willingness to mix it up, mostly in good will, I will assume for my self-satisfaction. 🙂

    It’s what keeps me frequently dropping in.

    Peace.

  36. HARM on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 5:32 pm 

    Why do so many people always assume that “population control” (or birth control) = genocide?

    Not adding even unnecessary births to a planet already overburdened with 7.3 billion people (at least double the planet’s long-term carrying capacity) is just common sense. And yet people freak out if you meekly suggest that maybe adding a billion net-new people every 14 years or so is a bad idea.

  37. onlooker on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 6:22 pm 

    I think Harm, their is a knee jerk reaction from many people, because lurking in the back of the mind of many is the idea eugenics and that you can be one of the victims. Even though common sense actions are not only desirable but crucial at this point.

  38. onlooker on Fri, 28th Aug 2015 7:07 pm 

    Back to the article. How typical and predictable of Billionaires to think themselves as superior to others and to identify overpopulation as the main problem precisely because they see themselves as superior they identify others as pests worthy of stamping out. They if they were even slightly objective identify Global Warming as the greatest threat as it stands poised to change dramatically this planet and thus all life on it. Change meaning dieoff.

  39. theedrich on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 1:56 am 

    Says HARM:  “Why do so many people always assume that “population control” (or birth control) = genocide?

    Well, HARM, just look at the paranoiac “Never-again” tribe that controls the media, and you will find part of your answer.  At bottom, cultures are founded on ancient myths — in our case, the “charter myths” (and I do mean myths) of the Bible, inculcated as “truth” over a couple of millennia and now driven in by all kinds of hypocritical but politically useful propaganda, even by puppeteers who are atheists.  Just a couple of observations about the most foundational myths imagined to be truth:

    The Adam-and-Eve story:  this is actually a myth not about a “fall” but about the RISE of man from the animal state to consciousness.  The “tree of knowledge” and “tree of life” are the same tree — a metaphor for the central nervous system with its “foliage” in the brain, and whose “fruit” is not an “apple” (sorry, Steve Jobs), but knowledge;  the talking snake (or lizard, depending on interpretaton) is a metaphor for curiosity.  Donning fig leaves (clothing) is a metaphor for individuation, becoming an individual separate from society or the environment.

    The “Exodus-and-Passover” legend:  never happened.  Historically it was not the 600,000 Israelite men plus wives and children, plus livestock who left Egypt for a 40-year vacation in the desert, but the dominating and enslaving Egyptian imperial forces that withdrew from Canaan in the second half of the 12th century, B.C.  (See Biblical Peoples And Ethnicity:  An Archaeological Study of Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, And Early Israel 1300-1100 B.C.E. by Penn State U’s Ann E. Killebrew.)  The whole Passover tale is a lie.

    Judaism actually got its later main theological concepts (all-powerful celebate good god, evil devil, afterlife, angels) from Zoroastrianism during and after the “Babylonian Captivity.”

    Christianity was able to spread in the Hellenistic part of the Roman Empire because mystery-religion mentality based on dying and rising gods promising eternal life to adherents was already an integral part of the culture.  Christ was absorbed as just another such “vegetation god,” then the self-organizing religion (Catholicism) added a combo of Stoicism and Roman discipline to the mystical doctrines.  After a rich Greek shipbuilder named Marcion came out with his own “New Testament” consisting only of the Gospel of Luke and the original letters of Paul, the new religion rejected him and adopted the Septuagint Old Testament and a lot of “pseudoepigraphical” (falsely attributed) writings to form the “Holy” Bible (sancta Scriptura).

    I could go on, but it would take up too much space to document all of the pious lies, anachronisms and self-contradictions on which the countless wars of our civilization have been based.  Today, as any realist can see, the real problem is not “genocide” but genosuicide.

  40. apneaman on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 2:20 am 

    yabut, Jesus was a real person…right?

    That’s like the consolation prize after the bubble is burst.

  41. deadlykillerbeaz on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 6:58 am 

    It is the Charlie Manson Plan.

    I want to see dead bodies stacked as high as I can see. – Charlie Manson

  42. Davy on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 7:56 am 

    Ape Man, Jesus was likely a real person per modern historical research. I think you know that you are just being funny. The cult of Jesus is the issue. Lao-Tzu is possibly an amalgamation of many schools of thought we know today as Taoism. Mohamed is a definitely a real person with a cult following. Buda is a real person.

    What is the important issue for us is not if these people are real or not it is the cultural myth and narrative that gives us meaning resulting from them. These religious traditions are our basis. It is the improper interpretations and exploitations of truth found in some of these traditions that is the real tragedy. There is profound enlightenment in the Jewish Tree of life which is most likely a hand-me-down from ancient Egypt. You can take the deep interpretations of the Jewish tree of life in context or you can look at it as a silly religious construct.

    I could go on and on as Thee says. These narratives are about to get swept away in a paradigm shift on planetary proportions. We are facing ecological collapse with a species bottleneck. Most other species are already in this bottleneck because of our species and those species we have chosen to exploit. What kind of basis results for our species after we emerge on the other side of this bottleneck is fascinating to contemplate. That is if we make it through. Our species extinction is 50 50 which is another word for I have no friggen clue about the human species survival possibility.

    I have a feeling if we make it through one basis that will result is a respect for nature. It will be a return to an innocence lost with the results of civilization. Knowledge and technology destroyed our place and connection to nature. The basic of our knowledge and technology from our semi-nomadic ways is OK. It is all that came after agrarian civilization that is wrong per the realities of a natural ecosystem of all life.

    We are now self-conscious of a fall from grace at least some of us doomers. We left Nature in hubris only to return a species entertaining extinction. If we survive the coming bottleneck it will be because of nature’s acquiescence not our exceptionalism. IOW it will be some luck nothing more because nature could give a shit about humans. Nature is not bias for one species or another.

    It is humans that are biased and feel exceptional. It is possible that our human self-consciousness and knowledge of life is a reflection of the Devine. That is a place you can go if you like but you cannot gain anything from going there because every door you open there is another door to open. The sacred is not for human consumption or possession. I say sacred not in a religious sense I say it as the fundamental reality of the universe we will never know despite our basic desire to be in possession of it.

  43. JuanP on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 11:02 am 

    Davy “Ape Man, Jesus was likely a real person per modern historical research.”

    I would rephrase that. What we know today as the mythical character known as Jesus Christ was probably, originally, partially based in a real human being combined with a large number of more ancient myths and stories from previous ancient eastern cultures. The human being the myth is based on was probably a rebellious Jewish “philosopher” that was not related to non existing Gods in any way, had no superpowers, and never performed any miracles.

    Everything else about Jesus is nothing more than lies and stories that those with faith can choose to believe. There is absolutely no historical, anthropological, or archeological evidence that “Jesus” ever performed any miracles or had any powers, and his actual existence is not an indisputable fact, more like a theory. All we have are stories written by people who never lived in Jesus’ times, since the earliest parts of the New Testament were written at least three centuries after his supposed existence.

  44. Boat on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 2:33 pm 

    Mak
    Is there any rational reason why a small country with less then 5% of the world’s population should spend over half of the world’s military budget?

    The US experience with WWII taught them a lesson. Tech won them the wars. Military tech allows the US to decide how they want to react to conflicts without near the loss of human life.

    Even now tech is changing the way conflicts are waged, they are more managed now instead of all out. The Middle East is trivial small potatoes compared to the weapons the US could deploy but as of yet keeps their powder dry.
    2. To many Americans live in fear and give the hawks way to much power through the vote, To get elected Obama totally through away the traditional Dem stance of being the doves. When sequestration tax cuts hit he trotted out The generals all complaining they couldn’t handle two theaters of war the same time with the cuts which equaled 50 billion.
    3. Even tanks which would never last long in a modern war with missiles and advanced aircraft cost billions but they are jobs in districts that rep’s want to protect to get elected. Cut but not in my district syndrome.
    I could go on and on but maybe you get the drift. Mainly politics.

  45. Boat on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 6:53 pm 

    theedrich,
    If your going to blast the US at least read about immigration. Most if not all immigration happens legally. The next highest wave of immigrants come from college kids that just stay. The US population would be dropping if it were not for these two reasons. The borders and the 18 billion spent has mostly fixed the border problem along with deportations.

  46. Makati1 on Sat, 29th Aug 2015 7:49 pm 

    Boat, why has the Us been at war all but 20 years of its 230+ year life? It is a war nation, founded on killing the natives (genocide) and taking their wealth and the plundering has never stopped. Now that military is being turned on the US citizens themselves as their freedoms are being stripped from them and they descend into a 3rd world, banana republic, dictatorship, police state. They deserve what is coming because they will not rise up and change it.

  47. Kenz300 on Sun, 30th Aug 2015 10:21 am 

    Climate Change is real….. yet the world adds 80 million more mouths to feed, clothe, house and provide water and energy for every year……. endless population growth is unsustainable. The worlds worst environmental problem is OVER POPULATION.

    Listen Up: Pope Calls for the Replacement of Fossil Fuels, Renewable Energy and Solar Subsidies – Renewable Energy World

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2015/07/listen-up-pope-calls-for-the-replacement-of-fossil-fuels-renewable-energy-and-solar-subsidies.html

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