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The Syrian conflict could actually send oil prices lower

Public Policy

Geopolitical tensions could be a double-edged sword for oil prices and threaten the complicated alliance among the world’s biggest producers.

The oil market is closely eyeing the Syrian situation, where a U.S. attack last week increased tensions between the U.S. and Russia, but drew praise from Saudi Arabia. For now, the market assumes OPEC, including Saudi Arabia and Iran, another ally of Syria, will join with Russia, to extend a six-month production deal that has helped boost prices this year.

But the Syria situation could make that more difficult, particularly if the Trump administration becomes more interventionalist, aggravating the proxy conflict in the region.

“For the geopolitical situation you could bend bearish or bullish,” said Michael Cohen, head of energy commodities research at Barclays. Heightened conflict in a neighborhood where 20 million to 25 million barrels a day of oil are produced could just simply put upward pressure on prices, he said.

On the other hand, the tensions could end up creating a split among key producers who for now are holding together their production agreement. “When you have Iran and Saudi Arabia now in even further conflict, and also Iran and Russia in alignment on one side of the U.S. and Saudis, and Russia not seeing eye to eye on Syria, it complicates the ability of those OPEC ministers and Russia to have an amicable outcome,” he said. “That could be bearish.”

Don't expect oil prices above mid- $50 range: Stephen Schork

Don’t expect oil prices above mid-$50 range: Schork Report  

Saudi Arabia is the world’s biggest oil exporter and it has taken on the lion share of the cuts. But he said Russia is the wild card, since it has begun to do better economically as crude prices rose and may not be as desperate to deal.

OPEC producers meet May 25 and could decide then to extend the deal to cut 1.8 million barrels a day, which started in January. Cohen said it’s possible they could shorten the time frame of the extension or change the amount of oil that is being taken out of production.

“You have to question whether the Syrian situation has now become a proxy that divides them more than the low oil prices united them. So that’s a big deal here,” said John Kilduff of Again Capital.

On Tuesday, Dow Jones quoted sources saying that Saudi Arabia wants to extend the now six-month deal to cut production. Oil was temporarily higher on the report. Meanwhile, Reuters reported that OPEC members reduced output more than they promised in March, with 104 percent compliance.

This contrasts with comments just a month ago, when Saudi Arabia warned other producers to keep their commitments on compliance and said it was too soon to agree to an extension of the production deal.

“Now you’re kind of placing a wedge between the key players because of this [U.S.] policy. The question is whether oil policy can be separate from economic or national security policy. I think it aligns in some places and it’s a concern in other places. In history there have been many cases where OPEC countries were at each other’s throats, but they were able to come to a deal,” Cohen said. It was the heads of state that actually agreed to the first production agreement, not the oil ministers, he said.

“What really matters are three people – [Iranian President Hassan] Rouhani , [Saudi Deputy Crown Prince] Mohammed bin Salman and President Putin. If you figure out their positions, then you have a good idea of what’s going to happen. I haven’t seen a quote from any of those three lately,” he said.

Cohen said another issue is what role U.S. shale will play. “They see rig count increase in the United States and forecasts by a bunch of tight oil producers that production should be higher … so at some point the question of whether they continue this is going to hinge on whether OPEC wants to continue seceding market share … to non-OPEC producers,” he said.

“OPEC wants to rip off the Band-Aid as soon as possible, and allow the prices to move back up to the $60 range on the force of the market alone. They realize they can’t do that if the deal stays in place and they all have to comply. Eventually the compliance is going to show that certain countries are bearing more of the burdens than others,” Cohen said.

He said OPEC will extend the deal, especially if market fundamentals weaken ahead of its decision, as he believes.

“We’re still of the view that we’re going to see a sharp price rally at some point occur in this quarter, and we believe inventories continue to be drawn down.”

Kilduff said he believes OPEC’s high compliance will be the result of Saudi Arabia cutting more than required. “The real test is going to come as we get to these warmer months and do the Saudis ramp up production to meet their internal demand. On the surface, it will look like Saudi production is spiking. These are the easy days to comply with the deal. But the hard days are coming,” he said.

Important for the market Wednesday will be U.S. Energy Information Administration inventory data, released Wednesday at 10:30 a.m. EDT, and OPEC’s monthly report is also released Wednesday. The International Energy Agency releases its data Thursday.

Kilduff said the IEA report will be helpful when looking at global inventories, which seem to be falling.

Markets have also been watching North Korea, as the U.S. moves warships into the area.

“Any move on Korea will be seen as the market as bearish because it’s going to impact market activity and mean in Asia,” said

“We’re seeing encouraging inventory reports. They’ve been building much less,” said Ryan McKay, commodities strategist at TD Securities.

Cohen expects Brent crude futures to trade at $58 per barrel in the second quarter, but he also expects the international benchmark to dip in the mid $50s in the third quarter before rising in the fourth quarter. West Texas Intermediate crude futures should be about $2 lower.


45 Comments on "The Syrian conflict could actually send oil prices lower"

  1. efarmer on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 8:06 am 

    Could be bearish or bullish… Could, may, possibly, under some circumstances, and the report might be encouraging, or perhaps not. The worst case may come to pass, or it could actually go wonderful. All of these coulds point to a possible should, which means we are hoping it may, and that is good engough to give me some of your money to invest and see how this all turns out. Okay? The tin man from the Wizard of Oz gave directions by pointing in two directions simultaneously, which made him a prudent direction advisor, with modern technology and intense analysis, we can point in myriad directions in our prospectus at the same time.

  2. AFDF on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 9:28 am 


    I’m a dumb Ron Paul supporter and a gold bug. I’m bleeding hard on my AUY holding. You’re right that one should not believe anything except the one belief that makes you money.

  3. BobInget on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:21 am 

    Two things.
    First, worry about our carrier group steaming toward
    N.Korea. Each side determined to have each other over to launch.

    Personally, I never believed we would go nuclear over
    N.Korea (again).
    On the plus side; it’s unprecedented for the US to attack (preemptively) a nation with nuclear weapons
    and no oil. NK depended entirely on China for oil.

    On the negative side, North Koreans are a huge thorn in the side of our allies in the south.
    Then, there are 10,000 US troops stationed on the border. More then 5,000 navy personnel on every US
    nuclear aircraft carrier. Casualties in a non-nuclear war
    could come in around 200,000 dead. In a nuclear exchange, we guess 10 million dead at once and another 20 million future dead from starvation and fall-out.

    It’s doubtful the US has a plan further then showing the flag and daring NK to launch its SS “carrier killer” missiles. Unfortunately, America has a President who needs a distraction and NK has a paranoid little fat man in charge. If DJT manages to avoid nuclear armageddon and regime change in NK he will come out a hero. If he doesn’t?

    The entire dispute could nave been solved diplomatically. Instead of gun-boat diplomacy the west should Marshall Plan our old enemies with consumer goods and millions of barrels of crude oil.

    If we aren’t helping our old friends in Venezuela with
    an armada of toilet paper and food stuffs it’s doubtful we’ll help NK.

    I’m writing in past tense for good reason.
    One cheerful note. Ships, diplomats friends, move slowly.

  4. Dredd on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:29 am 

    War porn is replacing climate change porn (Pole Dancing In The Lab).

  5. AFDF on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:33 am 

    Trump promised economic prosperity but the only way to do it is jumpstarting armament industry AND distract the populace (both are accomplished by going to war).

  6. AFDF on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:40 am 

    The isolationists say no war because they don’t want refugees. But these same people aren’t big on alternative energy and they still want nice stuff powered by oil.

    Many of these people are advocate of using force to solve problems. This I think is somehow hypocritical while they at the same time criticizing using force.

    Ron Paul wants to trade and avoid foreign entanglements. He is also not big into using force, mostly diplomacy and let economic forces to mitigate external/foreign affairs among nations.

  7. BobInget on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:56 am 

    Let’s not forget Yemen. Everyone forgets Yemen…
    Except; Saudi Arabia and US pilots in the region, including Israeli, flying tanker air-to-air refueling and recon-missions.

    Yemen is more consequential to US oil imports then any North Korean entanglement. Yemeni rebels, we call terrorists, are taking delivery on mid-range missiles supplied by Iran. Iran knows if counter-attacked by Yemeni rebels with medium range missiles, their ‘proxy’ wars in Syria and Yemen will turn
    hardcore overnight.
    Lucky for XOM, MAD seems fully operational.

    Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen is breaking KSA’s finances to such a degree, unless they get it resolved soon, they will go broke. Again, were it not for religious reasons KSA should have gone into Yemen with diplomats instead of bombing the poorest nation in the region into the sand.

  8. BobInget on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:59 am 

    Climate Change moves slower than the slowest aircraft carrier.

    The good news, Dredd will live long enough to see both.

  9. Ghung on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:08 am 

    Considering the alarming state of things, it probably isn’t appropriate for me to say I feel vindicated, since some here (one in particular) castigated, belittled, and gave me all sorts of grief for not supporting Trump over Clinton (“Hillary is sure to start WWWIII!”), and all that. I supported neither. I don’t support liars.

    That said, my doom-o-meter is on the rise again, especially with Trump’s pittbull Rex butting heads with Russia as I type. And as Bob mentions above, there’s the Trump vs Kim thing brewing, and there has probably never been a US President as uniquely NOT qualified to deal with these things as Trump is. I fear his lifelong utter lack of any accountability at all will catch up to him, and the rest of us, before we can rid ourselves of this extreme liability. Meanwhile, the news and tensions just keep getting worse.

    Hunker down. It’s likely to be a wild ride.

  10. AFDF on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:36 am 

    Trump is a pussy but somehow Putin is afraid of him. Putin doesn’t like dictators like Assad and Kim getting a beating because it reminds Putin of himself/a dictator.

    A lot of Trump supporters like Putin, Russia and Assad because they feel a sort of kumbaya with these guys who “have been marginalized for so long”

  11. Ghung on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:55 am 

    It doesn’t matter much what the bullies and Trump supporters on you mention think or “like”. The tripple-threat of Trump/Putin/Kim are ruled by their egos, and Trump, especially, will defend his ego above everything else.

    As I mentioned above, Trump has no concept of accountability and consequences, which makes him the ultimate loose cannon. Then there’s Putin and Kim, both cut from essentially the same cloth. They ALL have nukes. They are ALL sociopaths. They are ALL unwilling to admit mistakes, and they are ALL bullies. What could go wrong there?

    “Vast efforts to portray Donald Trump as Vladimir Putin’s flunky have given Trump huge incentives to prove otherwise. Last Thursday, he began the process in a big way by ordering a missile attack on Russia’s close ally Syria. In the aftermath of the attack, the cheerleading from U.S. mass media was close to unanimous, and the assault won lots of praise on Capitol Hill. Finally, the protracted and fervent depictions of Trump as a Kremlin tool were getting some tangible results.

    At this point, the anti-Russia bandwagon has gained so much momentum that a national frenzy is boosting the odds of unfathomable catastrophe. The world’s two nuclear superpowers are in confrontation mode. It’s urgent to tell ourselves and each other: Wake up!

    The dangers of a direct U.S.-Russian military conflict are spiking upward. After the missile attack, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that it was suspending a memorandum of understanding with the United States to prevent mid-air collisions over Syria. And Russia’s prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, issued a statement referring to “our now completely ruined relations” and declaring that the United States was “on the verge of a military clash with Russia.”

    These ominous developments are a longtime dream come true for ultra-hawks like Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, who’ve gained leverage in an alliance with numerous congressional Democrats. The neocons and the “liberal interventionists” really have something going now, after propagating the meme that Trump is a Putin puppet……”

    The lunatics have truly taken over the asylum and there is no logical way to minimize that.

  12. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:08 pm 

    Ron Paul: zero chance Assad behind attack:

    Israel 100% certain that Assad was behind chemical attack:

    Cui bono?

    Turkey, Israel.

    Look there first if you want to find the true culprit.

    Israel is a master in setting up false flags: 9/11, Liberty

    there’s Putin and Kim, both cut from essentially the same cloth.

    You are a loon. Putin is the world’s premier statesman, where Kim is completely bonkers.

  13. Ghung on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:14 pm 

    “Premier statesman” who kills the opposition just like Kim? Really? Loon?

    I have to say that you have perfected the fine art of self-delusion, Cloggo. Very well done!

  14. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:29 pm 

    I’m in fine company:

    Now say hello to George Soros from me, will ya Ghungy boy.

    And for those who have forgotten who was really responsible for the disaster in Syria, you don’t have to look that far:



    Ghung’s kind, the global pain in the neck.

  15. BobInget on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:36 pm

    Russia Warns Not to Attack Syria Again!

    Looks to me like Trump baiting. I’m guessing DJT orders more ‘limited strikes’.

    How many wars can Americans support at once?

    In no particular order of hotness;
    Potential; N. Korea, Russia, China, (South China Sea)

    Actual, in progress wars; Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan.

    President Trump carries on old policies.

    In President Obama’s last year in office, the United States dropped 26,171 bombs in seven countries. This estimate is undoubtedly low, considering reliable data is only available for airstrikes in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya, and a single “strike,” according to the Pentagon’s definition, can involve multiple bombs or munitions. In 2016, the United States dropped 3,027 more bombs—and in one more country, Libya—than in 2015.

    Most (24,287) were dropped in Iraq and Syria. This number is based on the percentage of total coalition airstrikes carried out in 2016 by the United States in Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR), the counter-Islamic State campaign. The Pentagon publishes a running count of bombs dropped by the United States and its partners, and we found data for 2016 using OIR public strike releases and this handy tool.* Using this data, we found that in 2016, the United States conducted about 79 percent (5,904) of the coalition airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, which together total 7,473. Of the total 30,743 bombs that the coalition dropped, then, the United States dropped 24,287 (79 percent of 30,743).

  16. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:43 pm 

    “it probably isn’t appropriate for me to say I feel vindicated, since some here (one in particular) castigated, belittled, and gave me all sorts of grief for not supporting Trump over Clinton (“Hillary is sure to start WWWIII!”), and all that. I supported neither. I don’t support liars.”

    I guess you are probably pointing fingers at me again Ghung and as in the past you embellish your interpretation of events. Please reference the comment that castigated you unprovoked. You are the castigator that called me out first. Hillary needed to be stopped by any means. I stepped up to the plate and did my part while the asswipe liberals here had a field day with me. Pontius Pilate washed his hands but you can’t. Self-righteousness and vindications are signs of a sore loser. I think your grief was self-induced whining. You pissed in the wind and now your leg is wet.

    The facts are the democratic party are losers and they deserve Trump as their legacy of failure. Trump had no chance in hell then the establishment got stupid (both sides). IMA, it is the fake news lying liberals that have pushed the unpredictable Trump into a corner along with their conspiring neocons. It is unfucking believable the BS that has gone on with the dumbcrats and the Russia-gate farce. We then have lying Susan and Obomber and their disgusting spying escapades. The whole group stinks and yea and Trump too.

    I will say this about Trump and that is he said something right to the Chinese and they are taking NK seriously. That threat could turn out to be a big Trump positive. NK, has little hope without China and facing a US threat. Forget Syria, the real danger is the Korean Peninsula.

    Long story short, Ghung, when you call people out then whine about it you are setting yourself up to belittled.

  17. BobInget on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:49 pm 

    “I’ll say this aboutTrump”
    He’s making us all look to our mortality.

  18. Ghung on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 12:52 pm 

    Gosh, Davy, I didn’t even mention your name. Funny how you jumped right in, renewed your attacks, as you are want to do with just about everybody, then accuse me of being provocative.
    Hard to interpret any of that as ‘sanity’. Really is.

  19. Apneaman on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 1:25 pm 

    Hair clog, holy fuck, I have never read anyone who gushes over men like you do. Even uber effeminate queers are more subtle about it than you. Does seeing video of Vlad acting all macho and stately get your ass pussy all moist? It’s so obvious.

  20. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 1:26 pm

    Multicult latest: Australian Muslims want independent state.

    Mass migration is a crime against the future of the children of the multicultists.

    Immigration = giving your country away.

  21. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 1:29 pm 

    Vancouver idiocy latest:

    Douglas Todd: ‘Sharia’ sets off alarms in Canada:

  22. DerHundistlos on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 3:43 pm 

    Davy, why the vicious attack against Ghung????? Me thinks you have deep pent-up rage against the Dear Leader and his betrayal of multiple campaign pledges. As a friend of mine said to me the other day, “I feel like a complete idiot for buying into Trump’s bullshit song and dance. I should have known better.”

    It’s a bridge too far to accept personal responsibility so the fault must be with the enemy Democratic Party.

  23. makati1 on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 5:45 pm 

    Ghung, Davy attacks anyone who is not thoroughly brainwashed like he is. He is obsessed with ‘America first and only’ and can see no one else’ view point. I like to bait him when I am bored. He is always good for a funny reply, like poking a little rat dog with a stick. Yap! Yap! But harmless.

    I do not go back and read the comments I missed. I am sure he had some really venomous ones. At least in his mind. One more example of the sickness infecting America today. Putin may just decide to push the button first and kill the rabid American dogs before they destroy the world country by country.

  24. GregT on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:24 pm 

    Welcome to the “gang” Ghung. I know, you’re not really an Anti-American, but trying to explain that to a certain somebody is like pulling teeth.

    Fire off a PM to most everybody else here, and we’ll teach you the secret hand shake. The next meeting, if my memory serves me correctly, will be in Iceland.

    Hope to see you there. 🙂

  25. JuanP on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:36 pm 

    I agree with Democratic Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. There is absolutely no proof that Assad used chemical weapons. What would he win by doing it? Cui bono? Not Assad. I think that bitch may be the only decent politician in DC at this time and she is really cool, too. There may be other decent politicians in DC, but she is the only one I know of. The USA has more than 300 million people and only one decent politician at the national level. When they get rid of this poor sucker the country will finally achieve total perfect corruption. Back to designing gardens. I am busier than ever. Carpe diem, guys!

  26. GregT on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:38 pm 

    Forget Syria, the real danger is the Korean Peninsula.

    The latest ‘enemy du jour’. There’s been so many of them over the last 7 decades, that it’s hard to keep track anymore.

    How many millions more innocent people need to be brutally murdered? Enough is enough.

  27. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:41 pm 

    Ghung, play your games but I know what you were talking about and “gosh” back at ya.

  28. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:45 pm 

    Der hund, “me thinks” you are warped in the mind along with half a dozen other goofballs here. Go play with them. As I have said many times before one of the few reasons I like Trump is he irritates delusional democrats. I could give a shit about your party or the other one.

  29. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:51 pm 

    Makati, you just can’t get over the fact that you are 27 stories above 20MIL people and trapped. You spend you days trying to square that circle. I guess being almost 80 there is not much you can do. What should be high on your list is who is going to wipe your ass in a few years?

  30. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:54 pm 

    Aren’t you cute greg. Why do Canadians have such a poor sense of humor? Maybe it is because their country is so dull?

  31. Davy on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 7:56 pm 

    I got the floors mopped. It was smelling like cat piss.

  32. efarmer on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 8:11 pm 

    After many attempts to determine when my lady found me attractive, or even sexy, she finally relented and told me the secret.

    “When you are in the kitchen with the mop in your hands, and you look at me with loving eyes and in a gentle voice ask if the hall needs it as well.”

    Well that shoots my best efforts at a Trump combover with shoe polish on the bald spot right in the ass…

  33. GregT on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 8:46 pm 

    “I got the floors mopped. It was smelling like cat piss.”

    If you have cat piss all over your floors, your time would be better spent dealing with your cats, rather than wasting all of your precious time acting like a spoiled little brat here.

  34. Boat on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 9:13 pm 


    You seem to love the controlling authoritative brutal regime types. Don’t you worry about N Korea, the US will take care of them. South Korea will take over and the starvation and prison camps will end. Sigh, then onto Iran. Nigeria, etc. Someday Europe, Russia, China, Japan and others will become more responsible and take a bigger role. They need quit being so nationalistic and support the greater good.

  35. GregT on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 9:30 pm 

    “They need quit being so nationalistic and support the greater good.”

    What greater good would that be Boat? In case you haven’t been paying attention, as usual, there is only one nation on this planet ATM who is murdering everybody else in order to create a unipolar world.

    Murder is not good kevin, mass murder is even worse than good. It is pure evil.

  36. makati1 on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:14 pm 

    GregT, I like the “spoiled little brat” description. Fits perfectly! Another Trump wannabee. lol

  37. Boat on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:28 pm 


    Of course being anything anti US and a non stat reader would miss the fact the last 60 years have been the most peaceful in world history. Death by war, down, death by famin, down, average age before death, up. Your just a hater that doesn’t understand the need for world leadership like the US has provided.

  38. GregT on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 10:44 pm 

    “the need for world leadership like the US has provided.”

    I refuse to believe that this level of ignorance and stupidity can be enabled by propaganda alone. There must be some other more logical explanation.

  39. Boat on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:12 pm 

    Your parlement cheered cheered and gave Obama a standing ovation just a few years ago. You are not mainstream Canadian thinking. You would cheer Assad in a similar fashion. That says it all. Wrap your head and chant death to America. Dosent bother me. Your just one of billions. Who knows how you acquired such twisted thinking but I come here just to read it. I love bad B movies.

  40. Anonymouse on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:32 pm 

    Yes, retard our ‘parlement'(LOL) loved him. So what? Wall St, uS arms manufacturers, the uS oil cartel, the ‘fed’, hollyjewood couldnt stop slobbering all over him either.


  41. makati1 on Wed, 12th Apr 2017 11:57 pm 

    GregT, Drugs? After all the US is the Number One consumer of illegal and legal drugs in the world, no close competition. Notto mention chemicals in everything they eat or drink or breaths. lol

  42. GregT on Thu, 13th Apr 2017 12:48 am 


    “I love bad B movies.”

    Not surprising, in the least.

    “That says it all. Wrap your head and chant death to America. Dosent bother me. Your just one of billions. Who knows how you acquired such twisted thinking but I come here just to read it.”

    Actually Kevin, you would be the one who is writing that twisted thinking.

  43. Cloggie on Thu, 13th Apr 2017 3:11 am 

    I love bad B movies.

    That’s because you are a bad B movie.

    Wrap your head and chant death to America. Dosent bother me. Your just one of billions.

    You just exposed your insane hubris… “just billions”… and the US will defeat them in a single blow, right?

    You have been watching too many Hollywood movies, portraying the US as invincible. For Boat, America that’s 330 million giants, like in the Marlboro add:

    Boat failed to notice that Marlboro man died of lung cancer, how symbolic.

    McLaren died before his 52nd birthday in 1992. Eric Lawson, the fourth man to portray the smoking cowboy, who appeared in Marlboro print ads from 1978 to 1981, died at the age of 72 on January 10, 2014, of respiratory failure due to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, or COPD.


    And remember Boat, this time Russia is not on your side to do the heavy-lifting for America. And don’t me started on China. And don’t count on Europe either.

    And then there is something brewing in the US itself:

    There is a growing number of European-Americans (or Europeans as they call themselves) who have enough of this ever darkening America, regardless of how much the neo-Bolshevik three {Apneaman, Ghung and Boat} will call them “racists”.

    And right-wingers in Europe will be all too keen to come to their aid, just to solve the little American problem the white race has.

  44. andre dovi on Tue, 8th Aug 2017 12:33 am

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