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The Psychopolitics of Global Warming and Population Control
Despite the fact that man-made climate change continue to be proven false, the left drives on with its fear-driven insistence that human beings must dramatically change their behavior in order to save the planet. Everything revolves around the idea that man’s consumption of natural resources is creating an unsustainable environment, and if we don’t somehow curb our use of fossil fuels, we will destroy mother Earth and humanity itself. The left would have you believe that the only way to save our world is to give up your sovereignty and let a cabal of global elitists tell you how to live. In fact, James Traub, writing for Foreign Policy magazine, claims that it is time to force people to accept a reality they may not want to accept. He says that the masses are deluded and it is the job of the global elite to set them straight. This is because, across the world, people are rejecting globalism and embracing freedom. As far as climate change goes, it is obviously an agenda that revolves around completely controlling man kind’s activities, including the rate at which we reproduce.
According to Travis Rieder, professor at the John Hopkins University in Baltimore, dangerous climate change will be taking place by the year 2036, and this is ample reason to stop having children. He is attempting to scare people into believing that the world is too much of a horrible place to raise kids and it would be more compassionate, given the threats we face, to not have children at all. Truthfully, this is all part of the U.N. agenda on sustainable development and population control. The left wants you to believe that having children poses a greater risk to the environment, as they will grow up being consumers in rich, capitalist countries. This consumption, of course, contributes to the use of over-strained natural resources and leaves an excessive carbon footprint, which, in turn, contributes to catastrophic climate change. The website populationmatters.org discusses the importance of choosing to have a small family and also cites some of the same issues concerning the environment and child bearing.
“Many people today seek to live in a more sustainable and environmentally friendly manner. They travel less, or in ways that cause lower emissions. They use energy efficient methods to heat and power their homes. They recycle what they can and seek to minimize their food miles and food waste. These are all to be welcomed, but they only reduce a person’s impact to a limited extent and only for their lifetime.
Your choice about how many children you have is much more important. Each additional child will have more impact on the environment and consume more resources. And the impact will continue for that child’s life and the lives of all of his or her descendants.”
The issue of bringing children into the world is discussed here as if it is a harmful event that contributes to the destruction of humanity. They speak of having a child in the same terms of choosing how to heat or cool your home in the interest of saving energy; this is because they want you to believe that bringing children into the world places a greater burden on limited natural resources. To understand this further, consider the following from a document called From Consumer Kids to Sustainable Childhood.
“Mainstreaming sustainability education is essential to creating the awareness and inherent understanding among all children of the bounded reality of a closed system such as Earth’s where infinite growth based on natural resources is an oxymoron. Understanding the links between a consumer lifestyle and environmental degradation is paramount to children’s ability to think critically and take action towards more sustainable lifestyles for themselves and their current and future communities.”
The underlined portion sums it quite nicely; they believe that there are simply too many people on Earth and that there are not enough resources to go around. Truthfully this has nothing to do with global warming as much as it has to do with the elite wanting complete control of the resources in question. Global warming and the issue of sustainability are the means with which they convince the people to accept their agenda out of fear, and their agenda is simply reducing the size of the world’s population. Consider, for example, the words of the U.N. climate chief Christina Figueres. She says that the world should make every effort to reduce the world’s population to protect the environment and fight global warming. She also stated that the expected increase in population levels to nine billion people by 2050 would be an enormous strain on the Earth’s natural resources. Suggesting that people should not have children appears to be one of the chosen methods to convince people that reducing the population is a necessity.
How do you convince humanity that putting the brakes on their own procreation is a good idea? You use the education system to teach them that their lifestyles are unsustainable and their traditional goals of wealth creation and home ownership are selfish and greedy. You teach them that their everyday activities are contributing to the destruction of the environment and that, if they don’t drastically change their behavior, humanity will face unparalleled destruction.
Internationally, the United Nations has spearheaded efforts to upgrade sustainability teaching via the Decade of Education for Sustainable Development (2005-2014). One major output of these efforts is a multimedia teacher education program on ‘Teaching and Learning for a Sustainable Future’ complete with learning modules and child focused learning activities. Overall, the objective is to advise national governments to implement sustainability in all formal education. (http://www.worldwatch-europe.org/sites/default/files/WIE_REPORT_2_CONTENT_FINAL_LQ.pdf)
The underlined portion highlights the United Nations’ intentions to implement sustainable education worldwide in all formal education settings, including the United States. In many universities, as well as high schools across the country, kids are being taught that capitalism is unsustainable and greedy, and that the consumer driven society in which we live is responsible for the depletion of valuable natural resources. The overall intent is to convince humanity that they are living lives that are destroying their environment and the only way to stop this from happening is to surrender to the dictates of a global oligarchy. In other words, they want you to fear the lies and turn to their solutions. On that note it is appropriate that we re-examine the words of Laventri Beria, from Brain Washing- A Synthesis on the Russian Art of Psychopolitics-
By psychopolitics our chief goals are effectively carried forward. To produce a maximum of chaos in the culture of the enemy is our first most important step. Our fruits are grown in chaos, distrust, economic depression and scientific turmoil. At last a weary populace can seek peace only in our offered Communist State, at last only Communism can resolve the problems of the masses.
Global warming is one of the biggest hoaxes ever devised by the evil minds of men. The intent is to scare the masses into accepting an agenda that will completely dominate all aspects of their lives. The idea that carbon dioxide, a gas that is absorbed by plants to produce oxygen, is destroying the planet is the very definition of scientific turmoil. They want you to see the reasonableness in surrendering your freedom in order to save the planet, and if you are unwilling to do so, you will then become part of the problem. We know what happens to people that dictatorial regimes consider to be a part of the problem. They are already attempting to criminalize speech that goes against the global warming narrative. How far will this go? How far will the elite go to accomplish their goals of depopulation? Will they soon begin rounding up global warming dissenters? If enough of the mindless sheeple can be convinced that the deniers are making their life more difficult the answer to, that question could very well be yes.
71 Comments on "The Psychopolitics of Global Warming and Population Control"
shortonoil on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:29 am
“Global warming is one of the biggest hoaxes ever devised by the evil minds of men. “
The author is assuming, here, that no one owns a thermometer. Apparently NASA doesn’t have one, nor NOAA. As a result of serious budget cuts they had to sell them, and buy a dart board.
Such abusive attacks on known facts are becoming ever more common. We see them continually on this site, and many others like it. They have degenerated from attempts to twist the truth to proclamations of outright falsehoods. It is obvious that they are losing control of the situation that not long ago they were convinced that they could cleverly manage. The wheels are coming off, and they don’t know how to respond. This article is a very good indication of the quality of leadership you can expect to have during the unraveling that will occur in the very near future.
Sissyfuss on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:31 am
No, don’t believe the science, believe me and allow me to sell you as much Chinese slave labor plastic crap at a mark-up of 6000 percent as I possibly can. Ain’t capitalism wonderful!
Bob on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:36 am
The West Coast is burning, the East Coast is drowning, the World is grossly over-populated by a factor of 10, our gettos are rioting and we have to put up with this author’s drivel.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:37 am
7.1 trillion gallons of water, that is how much fell on Louisiana from what only 10 years ago would have been an average storm.
No-name storm dumped three times as much rain in Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina
“The multi-day rainfall totals, shown both in the map above and in the list below, are stunning — many in the 20-30 inch range.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/08/19/no-name-storm-dumped-three-times-as-much-rain-in-louisiana-as-hurricane-katrina/
Anonymous on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:58 am
There exists, an entire industry, mostly based and funded by the amerikan empire. But this ‘industry’ doesn’t actually produce anything tangible or discrete, or even useful. What it does ‘produce’, if we can use the term, is rambling and barely coherent defences of uS inspired, infinite-growth capitalism. Easy work if you can get it and are employed by this ‘industry’.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 11:15 am
In Arctic, Ancient Diseases Reanimate and Highways Melt as Temperatures Hit “Frenzy” of Records
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37310-in-arctic-ancient-diseases-reanimate-and-highways-melt-as-temperatures-hit-frenzy-of-records
paulo1 on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 11:22 am
I live on the wet west coast with an extreme fire rating ban. Sure, weather ain’t climate but it has been haywire now for so many years I think it is pretty safe to accept change is a happening event. As this blocking high retrenches the wind is continuing to develop and increase. We have had 35 kt westerlies now, for one month. By Wed. it is supposed to warm to 32, which for Johnstone Strait is frigging boiling. My daughter lives down Island and yesterday it was 37.
Our fruit production was two weeks early this year and our blackberries are winding down. Normally, we would just have started picking. No fish have arrived due to warm water. Not good. I have been fishing once this year due to rough water, and that day was rough.
JGav on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 11:32 am
Short and Sissy – Yes, the wheels are coming off but until they’re REALLY off and we find ourselves bouncing along an irreparable rural road to get eggs, veg, etc, pretense will likely prevail.
Is capitalism the problem? There isn’t a “The Problem,” as I think you well know. Capitalism certainly opened the floodgates (euh, no pun intended) to a previously inaccessible level of resource exploitation. There are other social, cultural, civilizational elements at work of course. A precious few are pointing in the right direction, but they are no where near majority opinion status so I’m afraid a rough ride is to be expected during the ‘paradigm shift’ or ‘great transition,’ or whatever you want to call it, as we inevitably move towards a more stable relationship to our natural environment.
It’s altogether frustrating, challenging, encouraging and discouraging, isn’t it? Yeah, that’s our world.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 11:35 am
The majority of Louisianans didn’t have flood insurance, and now they could lose everything
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-louisiana-residents-without-flood-insurance-face-uncertainty-2016-8
How will Louisiana flooding affect insurance rates?
http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2016/08/louisiana_flood_maps_rate_chan.html
Vote Trump, he’ll bring back your houses along with granddaddy’s good union job.
PracticalMaina on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 11:47 am
Hahaha, after he sells you some made in China ties, and maybe an education on how to scam people from his prestigious institution….
Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 12:41 pm
This article is typical of retarded Americans. As America collapses standby for more record depths of retardation from America, the planets village idiot, or should I say crazy retard. Most of the people on the planet would crack a smile if North Korea detonated an EMP blast in the stratosphere above USA. The school yard bully of the planet will soon be down for the count. The queue lining up to kick America while its down is growing longer by the day.
Dredd on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 1:30 pm
This is a mythological projection from a fearful mind.
Two types of fear are involved, one the fear of death: “A recent paper by the biologist Janis L Dickinson, published in the journal Ecology and Society, proposes that constant news and discussion about global warming makes it difficult for people to repress thoughts of death, and that they might respond to the terrifying prospect of climate breakdown in ways that strengthen their character armour but diminish our chances of survival. There is already experimental evidence suggesting that some people respond to reminders of death by increasing consumption. Dickinson proposes that growing evidence of climate change might boost this tendency, as well as raising antagonism towards scientists and environmentalists. Our message, after all, presents a lethal threat to the central immortality project of Western society: perpetual economic growth, supported by an ideology of entitlement and exceptionalism.” (Convergence – Fear of Death Syndrome).
The other is the fear of justice (Humble Oil-Qaeda).
Ghung on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 1:37 pm
Right, TruthHasThreeBrainCells, the world will do just fine without its largest grain exporter, The EU will be OK without its largest trade partner, and all of those people in countries receiving aid from the US will stay put. Nobody will miss us [hangs head and shuffles off].
Brian on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 1:50 pm
This guy is sadly wasting decent writing skill on veritable garbage content.
ghung on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 1:56 pm
Meanwhile:
Germans told to stockpile food and water for civil defence
“For the first time since the Cold War the German government is advising citizens to stockpile food and water for use in a national emergency….
…The document said “an attack on German territory, requiring conventional defence of the nation, is unlikely”. But, it said, a major security threat to the nation in future could not be ruled out, so civil defence measures were necessary….
…Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere told a group of schoolchildren that Germany must be prepared to react if water or food reserves were poisoned, or if oil and gas supplies were interrupted……”
Kevin on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 3:44 pm
How many of these commenters were the same people telling you that the fact was that peak oil meant an end to fossil fuel supplies by 2020? Get your wind turbine now before it’s too late and all the wind is used up by those who know better… that was their claim. It amazes me how people just move from one cause to the next citing the same justification that they have the “truth” and the “facts” and the “science” and then when the aliens don’t come to pick them up on the passing asteroid or when the oil supplies just keep getting bigger or when the proclamations for mega storms every month don’t materialize, the facts somehow change, the dates get pushed out and a new cause evolves with the same people singing from the next page in the songbook claiming again that they have been anointed with the truth.
ghung on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 3:54 pm
testDon Hart on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 4:16 pm
Despite lots of good responses to this grossly dishonest deeply paranoid article, it’s hard not to add another rock on the coffins of the fossil fuel industry and the radical capitalist nuts like this one. After the typically false scientific “fact” statement by a science denialist, he moves on tho his primary objective: the communist conspiracy by liberals, the UN, NASA, all the scientific organizations and scientific journals to take over the world so they can stop good capitalism from continuing… to destroy the world. As a multi-business owner and hard working capitalist myself, I hope crazy criminals like this one aren’t taken as the business center of America. Only the same radical right which denied smoking was dangerous, racism is created by blacks and the rich are saving the country from welfare mothers, remains in denial about environmental problems.
ghung on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 4:26 pm
Kevin asks; “How many of these commenters were the same people telling you that the fact was that peak oil meant an end to fossil fuel supplies by 2020?”
So they were wrong, at least about the timing. It’s going to really suck when you find out you were wrong as well; really-fuckin’-wrong. Got a Plan B, Kevin?
Nexialist on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 4:42 pm
Lies and misdirection from the very first words: “Despite the fact that man-made climate change continue to be proven false….”
Not enough integrity to identify the author or the author’s credentials.
lasso a train on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 4:48 pm
damn right its part of agenda 21, and even more alarming then that is the FACT that sustainable development is not only a disguised version of the communist manifesto but its purpose is two fold for it is in all reality the blue print for the take over of the united states. it is a war between capitalist and communist ,the liberal democrats are fully committed to seeing the united states turn communist while the capitalist are trying to disguise their agenda using the liberals global warming hoax to their advantage. you see its not that they are trying to stop the flow of oil to America ,it is they are trying to stop the flow of money to the middle east, the middle east is getting too rich for even the elite, and that worries them, with money comes power and with power comes control, everything that means something to the elites is in jeopardy , Obama is our biggest enemy at this point next is our representatives, and that’s just the tip of a huge ice berg that they created for us and will do what ever they have to to not be held accountable, anything.
Miguel Garcia on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 4:55 pm
We have little or nothing to worry about. From day one of creation to the present, Mother Earth has had the same total amount of Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen. etc. Mr. Sun and Mother Earth change it to whatever they want and we have had some 3 Ice ages and warmer periods and guess what: We are still here. We life forms adopt to the changes. And we will be here for the next climate change.
ghung on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 5:13 pm
“We life forms adopt to the changes. And we will be here for the next climate change.”
Right, Miguel, tell that the myriad of species already gone as a result of the 6th mass extinction. Hint: They won’t be listening.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 5:33 pm
Why do these fucking mouth breathing retards keep coming around claiming AGW is a hoax, but not bring one shred of evidence? Because their feelings are the evidence. The stronger they feel about something (ideology) the more true it is. The intentional dumbing down of Americans in the last 40 years does not explain all of it – there must be some serious inbreeding going on as well. So, America is now up to 9, billion dollar plus weather disasters in 2016 with 4 1/3 months to go. “They” must be modifying the weather – what else could it be? Team agenda 21 tree hugger squad has a thousand invisible planes (like wonder woman) and they spraying the weather disaster particles every night while decent hard working white male conservatives are sleeping. That’s what it is.
Jerry McManus on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 5:50 pm
This article is actually quite illuminating, and no I’m not being sarcastic. I’ve long been curious exactly what the deniers train of thought is, and this author lays it out with crystal clarity.
Mostly a fear based agenda, loosely organized around a nebulous threat of some sort of world government using the “hoax” of global warming, resource stewardship, and environmental protection as a way to further it’s alleged agenda of population control, abolishment of civil liberties, and monopolistic control of the world’s resources.
Especially telling is the reference to “wealth creation” in the same league as private property rights (here called “home ownership”).
Think about that one folks.
Every resource on the planet, whether living or dead, every single thing that is NOT human has no value whatsoever until such time as a human does something to convert it to money.
Any suggestion that those resources from which all that wealth will be created are in any way limited or scarce is an evil plot by mind control dictators and a direct affront to personal liberty.
Amazing stuff! Now I know exactly how they think. Sure ain’t pretty.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 6:09 pm
Jerry, you want to know the funniest part of all? In the last 30 years of the deniers screaming bloody murder, fossil fuel extraction and use and consumer consumption has increased every year – they got everything they have been whining and sniveling that they claimed was under threat AND still they won’t shut the fuck up. Go figure? Why, why it’s almost as if they have been brainwashed. They hate Obama like the anti christ, yet oil has boomed under his administration and so have guns and ammo sales. So who are the real alarmists? Who else complains about getting their own way like spoiled babies more than conservatards? If I was one of them I’d be cumming in my pants everyday just because so much that I valued has come to pass. Dumbing down and inbreeding does not explain all of it – there is serious propaganda in play. “It can’t be true cause Rush said so”
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 6:16 pm
April 2016
‘It’s the New Abnormal’: Extreme Downpours and Flash Flooding Wreak Havoc in Texas
https://news.vice.com/article/exteme-downpours-and-flash-flooding-wreak-havoc-in-texas
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 6:19 pm
Early August 2016
How the World Falls Apart
“When six inches of rain fell in two hours on Ellicott City, Maryland on Saturday evening, it was, according to the National Weather Service, a once-a-millennium event.”
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-world-breaks
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 6:21 pm
Once-in-a-Millenium Rainfall Descends on Maryland, Killing 2
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/once-millenium-rainfall-descends-maryland-killing-2
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 6:23 pm
Early July 2016
West Virginia flooding: 23 dead, more storms to come
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/us/west-virginia-flooding-deaths/
diemos on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 8:00 pm
It’s amazing how angry god is with people who live in flood plains, or who live along tectonic plate boundaries, or who live on eastern coastal regions.
Perhaps if we repent and offer up a sacrifice he’ll be appeased.
Apneaman on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 8:21 pm
Flooding, Extreme Weather, and Record Temperatures: How Global Warming Puts it All Together
“Louisiana, August 2016: “I’m going home to see if I have a home”.
Ellicot City, Maryland, July 2016: “Oh my god. There’s people in the water”.
West Virginia, June 2016: “23 dead, thousands homeless after devastating flood”.
What do these events (and 5 more since April 2015) have in common? They were all considered very low probability, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Hydrometeorological Design Studies Center created maps of annual exceedance probabilities (AEPs) for all of them. AEP is the probability of exceeding a given amount of rainfall for a given duration at least once in any year at a given location. It is an indicator of the rarity of rainfall. These maps are created for significant storm events that typically have AEPs of less than 0.2% (i.e, exceed 500-year average recurrence interval amounts). For Louisiana, the probability analyzed was for the worst case 48-hour rainfall. For Ellicott City, it was for the worst case 3-hour rainfall. And for West Virginia, the June 23-24 event became a map for the worst case 24-hour rainfall.
In other words, just in the past 17 months, 8 rain events that are considered very low probability (i.e., less than 0.2%) occurred. Three happened in the past 3 months. Flooding like this should happen very rarely – there are AEP maps for only 18 more events, one of which was in 1913, all others having occurred since 2010.”
Global warming has a significant role in these flood events
http://blog.ucsusa.org/astrid-caldas/flooding-extreme-weather-and-record-temperatures-how-global-warming-puts-it-all-together
lasso a train on Mon, 22nd Aug 2016 10:43 pm
lets face it the environment does need a little maintenance and nobody denies that this is a concern, unfortunately it is not so bad that we need give our country over to the leaders of foreign countries via the united nations, there are those that are using environmental issues to make inroads to legislation that is doing just that. when anyone questions this issue there is this automatic conditioned response that comes raging out at the person that they are the denier uneducated polluter ,and the truth is that many of us are very well read and informed and know the issues and the science behind the issue, but I say again it does not require we give control of our country away. but now when scientist refuse to incorporate ALL of the truth into there findings and equations then it is no longer science that they do. that I believe is known as politics not science.
Klaus Mager on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 1:05 am
we continue to observe people of apparent high intelligence construct a narrative that just gets stuck somewhere on the track of the logic train. The author gets just about all of the arguments correct, well done links to statements, it is all true.
Why? Ever come to think of the why all these clearly brilliant people, leading voices in the world community, try so passionately to explain these very things that you find funny?
You can’t have an opinion if you are not willing to challenge your own assumptions. And accept questions and counter arguments coming your way. It looks foolish except to anyone already inside your echo chamber.
And if what these people you are quoting are saying is correct, just some of it, we are heading into some pretty rough times, wouldn’t you think. Isn’t that information we should be very interested in to explore further? What if??
Disappointing article but good showcase of a mindset unfortunately to prevalent for our collective good
Kenz300 on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 6:46 am
Koch Brothers Continue to Fund Climate Change Denial Machine, Spend $21M to Defend Exxon
http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/22/koch-defends-exxon/
Big Coal Funded This Prominent Climate Change Denier, Docs Reveal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-spencer-peabody-energy_us_57601e12e4b053d43306535e
Pope Francis’s edict on climate change will anger deniers and US churches | World news | The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/27/pope-francis-edict-climate-change-us-rightwing
Head Of The Episcopal Church Says It’s ‘Sinful’ To Ignore Climate Change
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/26/katherine-jefferts-schori-climate-change_n_6949532.html?utm_hp_ref=green&ir=Green
Kenz300 on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 6:47 am
The top 1% want it all….. and the RepubliCON party will give it to them………..
What do RepubliCONS believe…….. depends who is paying….. follow the money……. fossil fuels….. oil, coal, natural gas…, nuclear, NRA………the top 1%
Are RepubliCONS the real EVIL DOERS………..they want to end Social Security, Medicare and access to contraception…….
RepubliCONS are the reason the middle class is shrinking…… in the past the top 1% wanted to import all the cheap labor they could get ……… now the people are finally waking up but they do not realize they have been conned by the RepubliCONS……….
The RepubliCON elite want cheap labor…………They are no friend of the middle class
Cloggie on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 7:17 am
Kenz, good ol’ BLM buddy of mine, hate to break it to you, but the 1% is firmly in bed with your Democrats and hates the Republicans, now that they are hijacked by a potent representative of European America with, OMG, German ancestors on daddies side and Scottish (at least not English) on mums’ side. Scotland recently voted in potent majority to be part of continental European political structures.
If you want to improve your career chances, perhaps consider voting for Trump, the champ of the middle class, not of Wallstreet.
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 11:06 am
Well Kenz 300, the republicans sold their soul, but
Hillary did too. At this point the democrats are just
as corrupt as the repub’s. Just who do you think
signed all the NAFTA and other free trade crap
that destroyed all jobs and factories and got
rid of the middle class? Oh, that was Bill Clinton.
Jerry McManus on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 3:08 pm
@Apneaman
Thanks bro, you da’ man.
@lasso a train
You nailed it. Is that pesky little “maintenance” problem of our environment really so bad that the whole world has to give up a little sovereignty to help solve it?
That is the question of the century!
Personally, sources that I have enormous respect for are telling me that the situation has gotten so bad that there is no way to “solve” it.
In a word, we are fucked.
So, all due respect, I would feel compelled to re-frame your question as:
Can the whole world collectively deal with already being totally fucked, and can we do it in a way that doesn’t drive us collectively insane, if it’s not already too late?
Cheers.
Apneaman on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 3:34 pm
lasso, same as my argument about alarmist conservatards – demonstrate which countries have “give our country over to the leaders of foreign countries via the united nations”.
BTW, the “environment” is in much worse shape than your ideology will let you realize. It’s so bad that it is unlikely that it will be able to support human life in less than a century and it is too late to do anything about it and it would never happen anyway, because humans are incapable of changing their reward seeking behaviour. You do not posses the intectural freedom to process this since you view the world through an ideological lens. This is the case for most humans. Evolution made it so.
I bet those folks in Louisiana who just had 7.1 trillion gallons of precipitation fall on their lives are in need of some serious “maintenance” eh? What’s the tally on that? 9 once in a thousand year rainfall events in the last 12 months in the US alone.
Tell yourself
Apneaman on Tue, 23rd Aug 2016 8:03 pm
Everyday there is one more new story on the great die off on planet earth.
Wildlife Dying En Masse as South American River Runs Dry
The Pilcomayo River in Paraguay is littered with dead caiman and fish carcasses as the government scrambles to find a solution.
“Up to 98 percent of caimans (Caiman yacare) are suspected dead, and 80 percent of the capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris) population has died.”
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/pilcomayo-river-paraguay-caiman-capybara-fish-drought-death-water/
Apneaman on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 12:45 am
AGW consequence – first it will break individuals and families economically then it will break entire economies.
New Plight for Louisiana Flood Victims: Find a Place to Live
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/housing-questions-wake-louisiana-flooding-41476678
“Alberta’s already record deficit is projected to grow by more than $500 million, due mainly to the financial impact of the May wildfires in Fort McMurray, according to the province’s latest quarterly update.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-deficit-first-quarter-update-1.3732586
This one’s my fav….you can’t make this shit up ba ha ha ha.
These Louisiana politicians are demanding flood aid, but voted against Sandy relief
“Fleming, Scalise and Cassidy, by the way, are also climate change deniers, a sign that they’re unable to process evidence in front of their own eyes. Fleming has claimed that evidence of climate change is the product of a “radical environmental agenda.” Scalise has griped that it’s an effort by radicals “to prop up wave after wave of job-killing regulations that are leading to skyrocketing food and energy costs.” Cassidy in 2014 claimed that global temperatures had not risen in 15 years, which happened to be untrue.”
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-louisiana-floods-20160822-snap-story.html
Cloggie on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 6:11 am
“AGW consequence – first it will break individuals and families economically then it will break entire economies.”
Sure.
There is a totally unexpected consequence of increasing atmospheric CO2 levels: the rapid greening of the planet:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n8/full/nclimate3004.html
Even hardcore globalists like the BBC, who would love to use Global Warming to increase global governance and impose global UN CO2 tax, have to grudgingly admit this development:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346
We had all forgotten that trees and plants are based on CO2, so if you increase CO2 in the atmosphere, you basically “fertilize” the air. Areas most benefitted: Canada’s Northern Territories and Siberia. This means a dampening effect against too rapid growth of CO2 levels and the existence of an unanticipated green CO2 buffer and storage.
Higher temperatures also mean prologing of the growth season.
The world has greened an enormous between 25-50% over the last few decades.
Yes the sealevels will rise, which in the long term will spell the death of my own country…
https://youtu.be/k9_IXO2huyc
…so we have to become Germans.lol
But if you read the second line of our national anthem, we have always said we were Germans:
“Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
ben ik, van Duitsen bloed”
(am I, of German blood)
Davy on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 6:43 am
It is nice to see doom justice in action on the climate front. I suspect peak oil dynamics will start to hit home once we have dysfunctional market prices, deflating demand, and stagnating supply. The economy is already there. Most people who can understand the economy know that negative rates and huge debt amounts along with a market beyond bubbly is in the territory of the absurd. I used to watch the market moves daily but now only on occasion. Market moves don’t mean anything anymore.
We have stepped into the realm of surreal. We are between centuries which is turning out to be between ages. We are seeing an epoch turn with an extinction event. What a crazy time to be alive. I feel for the younger generation. Their world will be a vastly different place. I suspect cruel and unkind. For some it may be exciting. Today’s world is a society that is a walking dead of brain dead activities and dysfunctional culture. It is about movements and beliefs that are hollow and of little meaning.
The one rallying cry we can all join in is anger, resentment, and hatred. Unfortunately we fail to look in the mirror and instead blame and complain. We want to find culprits but the real culprits are us. We can point to the globalist, the very rich, and the corrupted politicians. Anti-Americanism is an awesome rallying cry that is by far the most effective. It is effective because it has significant merit but carries with it excessive hypocrisy and intellectual laziness. There are no solution for any call to action. Any political or social positions are null. We can destroy people and systems and we will still be where we are at. There will be no deliverance from this existential tragedy.
In fact these type of actions will accelerate the dissolution of the global system not enhance it. This is because the system has entered that phase of brittleness at an extended range of stasis. We have reached that furthest extent of development which is clearly evident with limits and diminishing returns. We are at that climax ecosystem state with all niches full and no room for change. Any change will be destructive and total. This will be an across the board drop in economic activity along with affluence. Complexity and energy intensity will drop accordingly.
Our question should not be “how can we reform this” or “let’s make a better world”. Our question should be how fast and how hard do we want to fall. This is a question that is also uncertain because it may be better to have a swift and decisive die off with half the global population. I pulled the half figure out of my ass because I have no clue of the proper die off amount. The whole idea is bizarre to contemplate. This die off is entirely possible for multiple reasons. Within 2-5 years it could happen. Global war could take us there in 1. This may allow for the reform and adaptation needed albeit without anything we can relate to. I am talking survival of the species not our civilization.
We pretty much have little hope of any meaningful change with population levels as they are. A hard drop with a die off would likely help mitigate all the predicaments we are in. This of courses is easy to say in the abstract. The physical details of this thinking or horrible and will hit home for anyone who entertains them. A 50% reduction in population is a new world order with vastly different civilization. The alternative is to try to manage and adapt a population in overshoot with both population and consumption. That is in itself a hopeless policy of continued failure and dysfunction as far as our status quo values. The only value we can find in this approach is the value of human kindness and caring facing death and destruction.
We are faced with tough and awful decisions that will probably need the psychopathic political leadership we have today. I say this because what kind of leadership with a heart will make such awful decisions of life and death. Soon this is what is going to be necessary. People are going to be kicked off the lifeboat. I personally have no opinion on either approach. I may opine them but that is my mental exercising and academic passion of doom. At my personal level I believe in letting nature run its course. I am collapsing in place and working daily at the never ending exercises of facing death. The death I am talking about is a multilevel death not just the physical one. It is fascinating to see a civilization, age, and epoch be destroyed. It is also painful to think about because there is no escaping the results that will visit my doorstep.
onlooker on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 6:54 am
Market moves don’t mean anything anymore. –Yep it is all a charade now trying to bolster confidence in a dying system. Also, to lure in the fools and steal their money. Main st and Wall st have never been further apart
Boat on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 9:06 am
“Market moves don’t mean anything anymore”
The 69 trillion invested care about market moves. That’s a lot of charade.
PracticalMaina on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 9:08 am
Doubling co2 concentration in our air in 100 years is probably not great for the crops that we have bred for our old atmosphere over thousands of years. Crops in environments with higher co2 need more water, and are more prone to damage by pests. http://www.skepticalscience.com/Increasing-Carbon-Dioxide-is-not-good-for-plants.html
According to this site, we are still losing vegetation.
onlooker on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 9:14 am
The 69 trillion invested care about market moves. That’s a lot of charade.–Just pixels on a screen sometimes created out of thin air does NOT mean anything in the real world or for ordinary folk
Kenz300 on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 10:38 am
Endless growth, especially endless population growth is unsustainable………….Climate Change will impact all of us and cause enormous problem for countries and people around the world……… this is the great challenge of our times……. will future generations be doomed to suffer the consequences of our actions….
Should We Be Having Kids In The Age Of Climate Change?
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/18/479349760/should-we-be-having-kids-in-the-age-of-climate-change
Apneaman on Wed, 24th Aug 2016 12:31 pm
Arctic Death Rattle
“Yes, it is certainly possible if, as Dr. Wadhams suggest, an ice-free Arctic triggers rapid acceleration of climate change. Accordingly, Wadhams beckons people who study climate change to speak up, tell the truth, don’t hold back.
After all, it is already public knowledge that scientists have been tweaking their own work by downplaying the severity of climate change in order to preserve grants and avoid ridicule, and dodge rabble-rousing, extremist name labeling, which can freeze research funds and ruin careers.
Leading climate scientists are not willing to honestly expose their greatest fears, as discovered by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now! whilst at COP21 in Paris this past December, interviewing one of the world’s leading climate scientists, Kevin Anderson (University of Manchester) of Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research/UK who said: “So far we simply have not been prepared to accept the revolutionary implications of our own findings, and even when we do we are reluctant to voice such thoughts openly… many are ultimately choosing to censor their own research.”
Forthwith, we know from one of the world’s leading authorities on climate change that climate scientists are censoring (downplaying) their own research, but why?”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/22/arctic-death-rattle/
Top Climate Expert: Scientists Are Self Censoring to Downplay Risk of Climate Change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAsEpdIHhTo