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The Broken Chessboard: Brzezinski Gives Up On Empire
The main architect of Washington’s plan to rule the world has abandoned the scheme and called for the forging of ties with Russia and China. While Zbigniew Brzezinski’s article in The American Interest titled “Towards a Global Realignment” has largely been ignored by the media, it shows that powerful members of the policymaking establishment no longer believe that Washington will prevail in its quest to extent US hegemony across the Middle East and Asia. Brzezinski, who was the main proponent of this idea and who drew up the blueprint for imperial expansion in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, has done an about-face and called for a dramatic revising of the strategy. Here’s an excerpt from the article in the AI:
“As its era of global dominance ends, the United States needs to take the lead in realigning the global power architecture.
Five basic verities regarding the emerging redistribution of global political power and the violent political awakening in the Middle East are signaling the coming of a new global realignment.
The first of these verities is that the United States is still the world’s politically, economically, and militarily most powerful entity but, given complex geopolitical shifts in regional balances, it is no longer the globally imperial power.”
(Toward a Global Realignment, Zbigniew Brzezinski, The American Interest)
Repeat: The US is “no longer the globally imperial power.” Compare this assessment to a statement Brzezinski made years earlier in Chessboard when he claimed the US was ” the world’s paramount power.”
“…The last decade of the twentieth century has witnessed a tectonic shift in world affairs. For the first time ever, a non-Eurasian power has emerged not only as a key arbiter of Eurasian power relations but also as the world’s paramount power. The defeat and collapse of the Soviet Union was the final step in the rapid ascendance of a Western Hemisphere power, the United States, as the sole and, indeed, the first truly global power.” (“The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives,” Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997, p. xiii)
Here’s more from the article in the AI:
“The fact is that there has never been a truly “dominant” global power until the emergence of America on the world scene….. The decisive new global reality was the appearance on the world scene of America as simultaneously the richest and militarily the most powerful player. During the latter part of the 20th century no other power even came close. That era is now ending.” (AI)
But why is “that era is now ending”? What’s changed since 1997 when Brzezinski referred to the US as the “world’s paramount power”?
Brzezinski points to the rise of Russia and China, the weakness of Europe and the “violent political awakening among post-colonial Muslims” as the proximate causes of this sudden reversal. His comments on Islam are particularly instructive in that he provides a rational explanation for terrorism rather than the typical government boilerplate about “hating our freedoms.” To his credit, Brzezinski sees the outbreak of terror as the “welling up of historical grievances” (from “deeply felt sense of injustice”) not as the mindless violence of fanatical psychopaths.
Naturally, in a short 1,500-word article, Brzezniski can’t cover all the challenges (or threats) the US might face in the future. But it’s clear that what he’s most worried about is the strengthening of economic, political and military ties between Russia, China, Iran, Turkey and the other Central Asian states. This is his main area of concern, in fact, he even anticipated this problem in 1997 when he wrote Chessboard. Here’s what he said:
“Henceforth, the United States may have to determine how to cope with regional coalitions that seek to push America out of Eurasia, thereby threatening America’s status as a global power.” (p.55)
“…To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.” (p.40)
“…prevent collusion…among the vassals.” That says it all, doesn’t it?
The Obama administration’s reckless foreign policy, particularly the toppling of governments in Libya and Ukraine, has greatly accelerated the rate at which these anti-American coalitions have formed. In other words, Washington’s enemies have emerged in response to Washington’s behavior. Obama can only blame himself.
Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin has responded to the growing threat of regional instability and the placing of NATO forces on Russia’s borders by strengthening alliances with countries on Russia’s perimeter and across the Middle East. At the same time, Putin and his colleagues in the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) countries have established an alternate banking system (BRICS Bank and AIIB) that will eventually challenge the dollar-dominated system that is the source of US global power. This is why Brzezinski has done a quick 180 and abandoned the plan for US hegemony; it is because he is concerned about the dangers of a non-dollar-based system arising among the developing and unaligned countries that would replace the western Central Bank oligopoly. If that happens, then the US will lose its stranglehold on the global economy and the extortionist system whereby fishwrap greenbacks are exchanged for valuable goods and services will come to an end.
Unfortunately, Brzezinski’s more cautious approach is not likely to be followed by presidential-favorite Hillary Clinton who is a firm believer in imperial expansion through force of arms. It was Clinton who first introduced “pivot” to the strategic lexicon in a speech she gave in 2010 titled “America’s Pacific Century”. Here’s an excerpt from the speech that appeared in Foreign Policy magazine:
“As the war in Iraq winds down and America begins to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan, the United States stands at a pivot point. Over the last 10 years, we have allocated immense resources to those two theaters. In the next 10 years, we need to be smart and systematic about where we invest time and energy, so that we put ourselves in the best position to sustain our leadership, secure our interests, and advance our values. One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment — diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise — in the Asia-Pacific region…
Harnessing Asia’s growth and dynamism is central to American economic and strategic interests and a key priority for President Obama. Open markets in Asia provide the United States with unprecedented opportunities for investment, trade, and access to cutting-edge technology…..American firms (need) to tap into the vast and growing consumer base of Asia…
The region already generates more than half of global output and nearly half of global trade. As we strive to meet President Obama’s goal of doubling exports by 2015, we are looking for opportunities to do even more business in Asia…and our investment opportunities in Asia’s dynamic markets.”
(“America’s Pacific Century”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”, Foreign Policy Magazine, 2011)
Compare Clinton’s speech to comments Brzezinski made in Chessboard 14 years earlier:
“For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… (p.30)….. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. ….About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31)
The strategic objectives are identical, the only difference is that Brzezinski has made a course correction based on changing circumstances and the growing resistance to US bullying, domination and sanctions. We have not yet reached the tipping point for US primacy, but that day is fast approaching and Brzezinski knows it.
In contrast, Clinton is still fully-committed to expanding US hegemony across Asia. She doesn’t understand the risks this poses for the country or the world. She’s going to persist with the interventions until the US war-making juggernaut is stopped dead-in-its-tracks which, judging by her hyperbolic rhetoric, will probably happen some time in her first term.
Brzezinski presents a rational but self-serving plan to climb-down, minimize future conflicts, avoid a nuclear conflagration and preserve the global order. (aka–The “dollar system”) But will bloodthirsty Hillary follow his advice?
109 Comments on "The Broken Chessboard: Brzezinski Gives Up On Empire"
PracticalMaina on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 9:32 am
This ancient man in the photo obviously knows what is going on in the hearts and minds of the largest demographic, millenials.
So he wrote a terrible plan that blew up in the US face, why is this dbag still getting attention to his writing?
PracticalMaina on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 9:33 am
*millennials
Davy on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 9:43 am
“Davy; perhaps us Americans should be a little introspective and listen to what the rest of the world is saying about us.” “Us” as in you and I or “Us” as in general public ugly Americans? I would also say perhaps the rest of the world should look in the mirror and see their part in this collapse process. They should see the hypocrisy of their blame and complain games.
These days the intellectuals of the world are either anti-American or flag waivers. They are climate deniers or techno status quo solution engineering academic green F-wacks. They are sustainable development or degrowther’s. They are economist preaching MOAR of every friggin thing imaginable and all will be well if only people would follow their ideas. Do you see a pattern?
As for me Sid, I have done my introspection. These anti-Americans want complete surrender and complete humility and for what to serve their ego based blame and complain agenda. It amazes me as an American I am not allowed any defense by the anti-Americans or the apologetic guilt ridden Americans. The shame must be total. These guilt ridden anti-American Americans are just as bad because they desperately want to be part of the global anti-American group so they grovel to them. Then you have the hostile American anti-Americans. They spend their every waking moment on the attack. Their hatred is personal and often related to a failed life in America so the attacks are twofold. One of justification of that failure and one of actual separation and part of a new culture. All non-American cultures have anti-American dispositions so this gives them their connection back they lost by turning their back on the US. We then have the Anglosphere where the worst hate and jealousy is for the US. This is probably because these ex-English colonial arrangements are part of the worst of the failed English pride along with lack of achievement. The US has eclipsed them and they hate the US for it. Finally we have the idiotic Europeans that are the reason for nearly all problems in the world today. Europeans and their “isms” and their greed and lust for conquest delivered us into a global world of death and destruction. Europeans should be burned at the stake at least abstractly. They should pay the price for the destruction they have caused
How do you like that rant fuckers? This is what I hear daily but on the other side of the debate. It is nice to puke it back your way. This conversation is a constant circle jerk of assholes calling out assholes until it is just one big hilarious joke. This is just a mirror of the internet that is just an expression of our modern civilization. Our modern civilization is an example and an expression of what happens to a species in overshoot and in the approach to a collapse. If I stepped on toes above I could give a shit. I hear the same daily bile against me daily. I hear how stupid, retarded, fat, and evil I am. Sure it goes with the territory of being American and part of a horrible end of an empire that is also the horrible end of a civilization but please there are limits to blame and complain too. I am not pro American culture, politics, or American capitalism. I am against all this but I am also sick of the BS out of the anti-American crowd that are complicit and accomplices in this global death wish we call modern civilization. I spit in all your eyes as I rip out my own.
Cloggie on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 10:13 am
Don’t exagerate Davy. Nobody is attacking or blaming you personally. I have always stressed the desirability of the continuity of the bond between the European peoples worldwide, which obviously includes you, after the end of the American era. The attacks that do exist are mainly directed against the US government and the consequences of their imperial policies, notably in the Middle East.
Having said that, you are now experiencing a little of what the Germans went through after WW2 until today of what it means to be globally despised.
Davy on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 10:34 am
Clog, you know how many times I have heard that same comment! “Now Davy we know you are American and we hate America but that does not mean we hate you we just hate everything else.”
Clog instead of worrying about my exaggerated rant review yours. We can do that introspection Sid mentioned together. We can then join hands in caring and love and sing kumbaya or the Dutch equivalent.
I am not exaggerating I am mocking all of you and myself. I really could give a shit. My focus is doom and prep. I find many comments here hilarious with the same BS over and over. I am part of it myself. I just have a distaste for hypocrisy and self promotion that I see with most Anti-Americans and flag waivers alike. Doom and prep seeks to distance itself from this circle jerk because it is not going to change the out come of doom.
Survivalist on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 10:49 am
US troops wear YPG insignia
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-soldiers-ypg-patches-syria-2016-5
Turkey attacking YPG troops
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-idUSKCN10Z07J
Turkey accuses YPG of ethnic cleansing
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/29/turkey-accuses-kurdish-ypg-of-ethnic-cleansing-in-Syria
It’s official folks! Not only are CIA backed rebels fighting Pentagon backed rebels but as well Turkey (NATO member) troops are attacking USA (NATO member) troops embedded with YPG terrorists.
LOL what a balls up!
onlooker on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 10:50 am
If Aliens were watching us now they must be sighing with incredulity over how even now when doom hovers over all in every corner of the world and its a doom that will equally bring down everyone, even now we cannot unite in solidarity to confront it. We must continue the competitiveness, blaming and childish behavior. Pathetic.
shortonoil on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 11:23 am
“I have always stressed the desirability of the continuity of the bond between the European peoples worldwide, which obviously includes you, after the end of the American era. “
After the end of the American era there will be no Europe. Except, perhaps, for a few city states beating each others brains out with a club. When America goes, so also will civilization as it is presently known. The same thing that will destroy America will also destroy the world. Be careful what you wish for, you are likely to get it.
onlooker on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 11:35 am
Yes agree shortly. Also what Davy is saying. The whole economic/social system is so interconnected that once a major pillar , country etc. falls the whole system will crumble like a deck of cards
Anonymous on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 11:37 am
The uS only supports the made-up ‘kurd ethnic group’, because their goal of creating ‘autonomous regions’ is consistent with the uS goal of partitioning and destroying Syria\Iraq. Look at the so-called ‘kurdish autonomous region’ in Iraq as an example of uS policy at work. The central gov’t, has little control over a region that was formerly part of the the Iraqi nation. And though we hear little details out of those ‘autonomous’ regions, you can bet your last shekel it is now a CIA\MOSSAD playground.
Of course, when these so-called ‘kurds’, were willing to take up arms to carve out pieces of Iraq and Syria, that was ok, because that was wholly consistent with uS war-makers goals as well. BUT, small problem, these ‘kurds’ wanted a slice of Turkey too(cough), a loyal uS puppet. But uS troops sporting terrorist colors is nothing new. Im sure that off-camera, the USlamic state return the favor by wearing the flags of the uS and Israel when working with its CIA\MI6\Mossad and GCC contacts as well.
onlooker on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 12:00 pm
US has much experience in triggering chaos and strife in places. Then in the ensuing chaos they employ any and all underhanded tricks including revolving alliances, false information, bribery, threats, betrayals, etc to take advantage of the chaos and vacuum to install surrogate or friendly regimes. A final option is direct intervention with force under some false pretext. Nothing new here except that now the elixir pretext good for any situation is the War on Terror. George Orwell would be proud
Boat on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 12:09 pm
The Kurds fight will because they live there. Where is there. Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. They should be given that land or at least control of it. Check a map.
Cloud9 on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 12:22 pm
Whoever winds up in the Whitehouse may very well preside of over the death of his or her own party. There is a long tradition of blaming the person in the oval office for the current circumstances. Hoover became a pariah as the Great Depression unfolded. There is no a political solution for the end of growth. While everyone on the Republican side yearns for the return of Reagan. That cohort for the most part is oblivious to the fact that much of Regan’s apparent success was in no small part ushered in by Alaskan and North Sea oil. I don’t see another North Sea or Prudhoe Bay on the horizon.
Demographics combined with declining net energy is the recipient for precipitous change. What comes out of the back side of this is anybody’s guess.
Boat on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 12:35 pm
Respect for America has climbed during the Obama era
The election of Barack Obama turned the numbers around. Approval in France nearly doubled to 75% in 2009; in Germany it more than doubled to 64%, and in Britain, it rose to 69%. Approval rose sharply in China, but fell in Israel to 71%, as Obama spoke of deeper engagement with the Arab world.
Overall, though, it’s tough for Trump to claim that America isn’t respected. Pew says that of the 43 nations around the world it surveys, 30 have a positive view of us, including 74% of Africans, 66% of Europeans, 66% of Asians and 65% of Latin Americans—but just 30% in the Arab world.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/respect-for-america-has-climbed-during-the-obama-era-2016-08-29
Anonymous on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 12:53 pm
Exactly onlooker, they even install token presidents in order to soften the empires brutal image at home and abroad. Look at how Brand Obomber was used to put a ‘liberal’ (cough), face on humanitarian, neo-liberal imperialism, and avert widespread resistance to zionist\oligarch rule in the ‘homeland’. Now, they want to install a ‘woman’ on the symbolic throne, in the grand tradition of Brand ‘Obama’. All in order to keep the masses at home, and the world at large, distracted by the empty symbolism of the who sits on the throne in the so-called, ‘white house’, ‘black president’, ‘woman president’ (gawd lets hope not).
Now for a dose of reality.
https://www.rt.com/news/us-biggest-threat-peace-079/
onlooker on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 1:03 pm
I got two links -one on why US is no 1 terrorist (hint=drones) and two ,The History and Hypocrisy of the War on Terror
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyLg-isaGhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRbnPA3fd5U
peakyeast on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 1:19 pm
The people I have discussed Obama with here in Denmark has absolutely no clue as to what he has done.
The only thing they know is the reforms in the health care system and from that alone they praise him.
When I tell them what he has done to whistleblowers and what the whistleblowers has exposed they look at me like I am a nutcase and dont believe a word of it.
Its pretty sad how uninformed people are here. They ONLY believe bigger MSN and mostly only the state sponsored TV news.
Dredd on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 2:24 pm
Yep, brain wreck for sure (Recognize A Brain Wreck When You See One?).
Apneaman on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 4:00 pm
Boat, that article reads like one more anti Trump anti Russian, fear mongering ad masquerading as an unbiased news piece – a twofer. I see dozens of those everyday and I’m not even looking.
In Gallup Poll, The Biggest Threat To World Peace Is … America?
“…and 17 percent of Canadians view their neighboring country with suspicion on the world stage”
http://www.ibtimes.com/gallup-poll-biggest-threat-world-peace-america-1525008
Only 17%! I told you most Canadians are clueless fucking morons. Why not, since so are most humans. This is why polling is meaningless.
How about a poll where they ask folks what they think will be the logical conclusion of the combination of AGW, ocean acidification, overpopulation and the 6th mass extinction?
My guess for most popular answer (99.99%) is a blank stare…….Duh?????????
Boat on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 4:06 pm
Yeast,
Just have those in Denmark google Obama accomplishments. Does Denmark have many computers? Or maybe they just don’t care.
rockman on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 5:00 pm
Peaky – “The only thing they know is the reforms in the health care system…” Do they detail what these “reforms” might be? Other then forcing a number of folks to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the govt I can’t think of any significant changes in our healthcare system during the last 8 years.
makati1 on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 5:04 pm
Ap, MOST Westerners are so brain dead and/or filled with propaganda up to their eyeballs that reality is foreign to them. I think Americans are Number One in that area too. Totally clueless. What is currently happening and what is coming is going to be a 2X4 in the face when it happens.
Here in the Ps, the shine of America is beginning to wear off. Some of the older people still see it as the “Promise Land” as portrayed in movies and the US news articles, but many are seeing behind the curtain, mostly the younger, internet connected, middle class. I like the new Prez here and he has the support of most of his people. That is not true of ANY of the Western powers’ leaders.
We definitely live in interesting times and, perhaps, the last years of humanity. Never has there been a gathering of so many possible extinction events at one time. I would love to live long enough to see what happens. Wouldn’t you?
makati1 on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 5:11 pm
rockman, I can see one, huge cost increases. I’m glad I am out of that corrupt game. No health coverage for Americans in the Ps for us 10,000+ retired Americans. No Medicare. Good thing medical care here is 1/4 to 1/5 the cost of the American Sick-Care system but still on par or better, quality wise.
Boat on Mon, 29th Aug 2016 5:36 pm
ape,
Yea, they used Pew research to throw their own anti Trump spin. Thats just a reaction to Trumps spin of how The US is no longer popular or respected. Obviously Obama rose in World polls after GW lowered the bar. I don’t think the world is much smarter or dumber. GW just got caught in much bigger lies. Isn’t politics usually about the lesser of two evils?
derhundistlos on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 8:11 am
Cloggie-
Your comment about Germans being globally despised and the foil for all things evil is right on target. Hell, new holocaust museums are still being erected in Germany, and in a foolish effort to prove to the world that Germany aspires to become USA 2.0, laws are passed that, for example, affirm the right of Muslim men to patrol the streets with jackets stating Sharia Law Enforcement Police and arrest violators. And anything Israel desires, is delivered. A few months ago Germany delivered to Israel not the requested two but four of the world’s most advanced submarines that for the first time give Israel the technology to submarine launch atomic warheads.
Boat on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 9:32 am
You guys take everything to the extreme. Germany, Italy and Japan are not hated. In fact they all are all important in the world community. Maybe living in a multicultural large city or the advance in age has tempered my idea of nationalism, blame and fear.
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 9:49 am
Germany, Italy and Japan are currently not hated because they are all three meek members of the US empire.
But until today you can say anything about national socialist Germany and get away with it. Doesn’t need to be true. It usually isn’t.
The result of all this bashing of German history has resulted in a nation that is psychological a train wreck, although they are still kicking ass as engineers. The insane move by Merkel by virtually inviting the entire third world to come to Germany also implicates the rest of Schengen-Europe, that doesn’t fear German strength but German weakness. I am not buying the WW1 and WW2 German guilt. But I do have to notice that the hapless Germans are running the risk again of being placed out of European main stream by their desperate attempt to prove to the rest of the world that they are not Hollywood Nazis.
For the rest, Italy hasn’t been taken serious for 1600 years now and Japan has never been taken serious at all, not even by the Americans, who viewed the Japanese as a convient tool to get into war with the Germans and add Western Europe to the US empire and leave Eastern Europe as a business present to the Soviets (WW2 being thought as an effort to come to the aid of the Poles my foot).
ghung on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 10:16 am
I don’t hate Germans. I usually dislike them for the most part, because, by-in-large, they are arrogant assholes. And the Japanese, with their shit-don’t-stink pills…….
… but I don’t hate anybody.
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 11:02 am
Perhaps a slight inferiority complex, ghung, typical for the English?
http://peakoil.com/consumption/oil-cash-waning-venezuelan-shelves-lie-bare
ghung: “and I ended up in a room for a couple of weeks with two very pragmatic (and typically arrogant) German engineers and a guy that turned out to be nothing more than a pompous bean counter from Caracas, sent by the newly forming “VenWorld Telecom”… The Germans walked out several times.”
Typical English proverb: “Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win.
Gary Lineker”
I remember a film situated at the end of the war, in a bar in a completely bombed German city, a German female bar tender brings a couple of beers to English military men. When she puts the beers on the table she remarks: “you never granted us our success.”
And that was in one sentence why WW1 happened.
And when Germany tried to escape from the Versailles stranglehold, imposed by Britain and France, for no other reason than that the Germans make better products than them, the British warparty under Churchill decided that the Americans and Soviets could be used again against the Germans.
II don’t hate anybody either, but I nevertheless remain somewhat skeptical about the general benevolence of both Those Who can’t be Named, as well as the English.
It is all our (Dutch) fault basically. We should never have invaded that rainy island in 1688 and make them Protestant and hand their central bank over to Those Who can’t be Named and who funded the entire operation.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560614/The-1688-invasion-Britain-thats-erased-history.html
ghung on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 11:12 am
Of course, Cloggie, in your Germanic arrogance you assume that I, in any way, hold myself in competition with Germans, or anyone else. Another miscalculation (or projection) on your part. I simply don’t give a shit how high someone else holds themselves in the human pecking order. I’m an equal opportunity employer of disdain for my species. As in your case, I call it as I see it.
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 11:16 am
No further questions, your Honor.lol
Boat on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 11:56 am
clog,
Ghung and I don’t agree on much but pecking orders of countries or humans just isn’t on my radar. On the other hand disdain or blame is a waste of time. It is what it is.
Davy on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 12:06 pm
Clog, maybe you don’t know Americans like you think you do. What Ghung said above is how I look at it. “I am an equal opportunity employer of disdain for my species. This may be the reason I occasionally jump all over anti-Americans who for some reason think they are ok and Americans evil. I am down on every nation. I admire indigenous peoples that is about it. I am especially down on white Europeans and Anglosphere folks (Americans included). Ugly Americans are the worst because they make me look ugly. Thanks Boat. I am even down on myself for being one of the 1BIL killing the planet. But mostly I could give a shit about any of it because the blame and complain game does not matter. It is now the “save your own ass game”. Do you want to play?
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 1:57 pm
Nothing smells as good as a freshly opened can of worms.
I did not use the term “pecking order”, that was ghung.
The disdain for humans in general, as professed by ghung, which includes himself, is in my view applied nihilism in action, a phenomenon rampant on this site. I have the strong suspicion that if there are people around who have a more positive outlook on life and humanity and are proud on European achievements in general (which includes English speakers, just saying), than you run the risk of being “arrogant” or “self-important”. You might have guessed that I am not too much injured by those epithets.
I believe I have made the observation before but before I posted here, years ago I posted on peakoil.nl. The posters there didn’t strike me as particularly dumber or smarter as the posters here, but the main difference is that pessimistic, dark, doomer attitude on this forum. And the more I think about it, the stronger the impression is that that attitude has something to do with general pessimism people from Anglosphere feel about the future of their own (Anglo) civilization. And that a large chunk of that pessimism is rooted in geopolitical and cultural and demographic decline and not only rooted in peakoil or climate change.
As you might have guessed Davy, I do not share your dedain for “white people”, even if you have the courtesy to include yourself. And I do not put indigenious people on a pedestal either. The situation is such that these “evil whiteys” created a civilization that everybody on the planet wants as well, including the “noble savages”. And this civilization happens to have all sorts of unintended side effects that are less than benificial for the planet and its biosphere.
Meanwhile, quite a lot of people found out about these side effects and intend to do something about. The people who care, happen to be mostly white as well, not the noble savages, funny, that (Ⓒghung).
The time that we all read Alan Watts about the perceived “wisdom of the East”, that’s decades ago. There is no “wisdon of the East”, just me too folks and “Indians”, those from the wigwams for tourists, also loves SUVs.
So if you suspect that there is a suspicious 19th century quality about my self-perception, I am not going to invest any energy in challenging that notion. Ghung will call that “Germanic arrogance”. I just smile.
Davy on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:15 pm
Lighten up Clog. Like I said not very important to me on the list of important. I am a egalitarian so I have issues with racism. There are valid race issues but they are generally misused for purposes of self interest.
Apneaman on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:26 pm
Davy said he admired indigenous people. He did not mention anything about a “noble savage” (a European invention) that’s you again with your remedial rhetorical tricks (strawman). You’re a fucking amature and I could run circles around you all day, but it’s too boring. Go away.
peakyeast on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:49 pm
@rock: They think it is a close variant of the Danish welfare system – and that it how it looks from many of the MSN articles. In Denmark ALL hospital care is completely free of charge to everybody. Medicine is heavily subsidiced when the cost goes over 100$ per year.
@boat: Yes – everybody – even Aunt Olga at 96 has a computer. The government requires people to have a computer in order to contact the public welfare system. Only if proven medically / mentally unable can you be exempt.
peakyeast on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:51 pm
oh yeah – and your personal doctor or specialized doctor is also completely free.
It is only if you start asking for exotics like “chinese needle therapy” or things like that that you have to pay all. But possibly you can be subsidized there also – i dont know actually.
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:51 pm
“You’re a fucking amature”
https://www.spellzone.com/single_adult_spelling.cfm
peakyeast on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 2:53 pm
If you are old and sick and you can get a part time job in Denmark. I believe that will be the best investment you most peoples lifes to go here. Because then you are automatically getting free health care for at least the duration of your stay. If you are rich enough you make a company in Denmark and hire yourself on a “green card” 😀
Apneaman on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 4:25 pm
shit4brains, a common spelling error is all you can come up with? That’s your best effort eh? Couldn’t come up anything else? Thanks for proving my point you is an “amature”.
One spelling error and you have diagnosed me with dyslexia huh? This is what I mean about your remedial rhetorical skills. I know retarded kids who could do better than that.
I have noticed a pattern with you arrogant overeducated Euro trash white boys. Althought spelling and grammer Nazi’s are ubiqutious on the internet among those who can’t come up with suitable arguments, I have noticed an extra level of resentment and frustration from your kind. I figure it has to do with the fact that y’all (along with the rest of the world) are forced to learn english to be able to compete economically with a bunch of uncouth mericans who are only semi literate. Must really chap your ass huh? All that education and “cultural superiority” and many of you have just as good or better grasp of the english language than native born speakers, yet you are still subservient to their power and culture. Combine that with the fact that you were only afforded that education and opportunity because Canadians liberated your grandparents from starvation and Nazi tyranny 70 years ago and your resentment and frustration become all too apparent. Sad sad little dutch boy. The Dutch gave the world the brilliant Vermeer and merica countered with the plastic singing “Billy Bass”, “Pop Rocks” & “Pet Rocks”, which y’all bought. LMAO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWTNF95QDJ4
amature vs amateur : Common Errors in English
http://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/amature_vs_amateur
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 4:32 pm
It’s official: the US is not a democracy.
Who says so? Some snobby European with an agenda?
Nope: Princeton and other universities say so:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/04/16/The-US-is-not-a-democracy-but-an-oligarchy-study-concludes/2761397680051/
According to a study, the US is governed by a small elite of oligarchs.
Princeton doesn’t say anything about the ethnic composition of this elite.
Perhaps next year.
peakyeast on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 4:44 pm
” People who constantly point out grammar mistakes are pretty much jerks, scientists find
But you probably already knew that.”
Oh yes we did !
http://www.sciencealert.com/people-who-constantly-pick-up-grammar-mistakes-are-kinda-jerks-scientists-find
peakyeast on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 4:57 pm
@cloggie: Dont get me wrong, cloggie. I am happy that you are here, posting interesting views and links. Much obliged, thank you very much.
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 6:09 pm
“overeducated Euro trash”
You need a new text writer.
Now some history teaching to our little wanker nihilist punk, who can hardly carry his own weight:
Orange marches:
London 2015: https://youtu.be/RuflivVNpy0
Glasgow 2015: https://youtu.be/OUIJoimrIY0
Ediburgh 2014: https://youtu.be/Em1oM0N1mSY
Belfast 2013: https://youtu.be/5ntGbmZDL9c
Toronto 2015: https://youtu.be/vc0twhOgRgY
Do you have idea what this means?
The Dutch were the real creators of the foundations of Anglosphere, not the British. In an 80-years war against Catholic Spain they created the first Protestant state with global reach. That model was exported by the Dutch invasion and military conquest of Britain and Northern Irland in 1988 and North-America.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560614/The-1688-invasion-Britain-thats-erased-history.html
Note that the Dutch succeeded where Napoleon and Hitler failed: namely invading that spleeny rainy hell whole and clean the lot up a little. The English hate to talk about, but at least the Daily Mail is so honoust to admit: “the invasion that was erased from history”.
They created capitalism, central banking, the first multinational, in short: modern life as we know it, for better and for worse. And every year Anglos are celebrating their way of life as created and exported by the Dutch. And now on your knees!
part 1
Cloggie on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 6:09 pm
When the Americans created their Republic they took the Dutch Republic as example:
http://news.wisc.edu/was-declaration-of-independence-inspired-by-dutch/
Without Holland and France, the US would not have achieved independence, not in 1776:
https://www.amazon.com/First-Salute-Barbara-W-Tuchman/dp/0345336674/ref=sr_1_1
(Canada still has a British head of state, could have happened to the Americans)
America 1776-1890: basically Greater Holland, the best period in US history, until the Jews took over, with known desastrous consequences, especially for the Europeans. The Mother Civilization raped by Anglos and Soviets. And neo-bolshevik apneaman still drivels about liberating from “Nazi boot”
Between 1880-1920, America changed radically of character because of mass immigration from Eastern Europe. As always the original population (of West-European stock) didn’t like that at all and began to idealize the past. There were only two candidates to identify with: England and Holland. But since the Americans were liberated from the British, Britain wasn’t an option. So it was Holland. For fourty years the Americans celebrated all things Dutch (“Holland Mania”) as the country they could most identify with.
https://www.amazon.com/Holland-Mania-Annette-Stott/dp/0879519061/ref=sr_1_1
After 1920, that is after WW1, America had irreversibly changed character: the inward looking, freedom loving old republic that minded its own business had changed in a zionist run predator that was looking for prey.
Now the happy days are over for America for good and America could very well suffer the same fate as the Russians did in 1917. There is a mega-conflict brewing between the Europeans (“Reps”) and the new invaders and leftist whites like you (“Dems”). If this conflict escalates and the Dems prevail, America will turn in a dictatorship. The only ones who can prevent that scenario are the continental Europeans, like in 1776.
part 2
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Apneaman on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 6:17 pm
shit4, way ahead of you as per usual.
“Re: Green legislation mainly helps the affluent
Postby Apneaman » Thu 17 Sep 2015, 15:56:49
c8 is partly right. The truth is that most legislation goes the way of the wealthy and powerful, left – right, green or dirty. They been screwing everyone for at least 30 years and picking sides [left-right] is like voting for who gets to rape you. Same in most countries.
Testing Theories of American Politics:
Elites, Interest Groups, and Average
Citizens
http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/defa … cs.doc.pdf
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“Apneaman
permanently banned”
Can you fucking believe it? A nice personable fella like me banned permanently?
What is the world coming to? No wonder the humans are doomed. I’ve been banned by better forums than that one….a bunch of them. Those bannings pale in comparison to the number of drinking establishments I’ve been permanently banned from in multiple countries.. Could be worse. Could be like cloggie and be permanently banned from being within 300 yards of any elementry school or playground.
makati1 on Tue, 30th Aug 2016 6:22 pm
One of my favorite authors, P.C.R., has another “tell it like it is” article.
“Those who control us are not going to give up their control without a world war. In the United States evil has seized power from the people, and evil will not give it back.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/crazed-hillary-clinton-and-the-prospects-of-world-war-iii-can-americans-overthrow-the-evil-that-rules-them/5543163
Voting is a joke in America … a sick joke.
Boat on Wed, 31st Aug 2016 6:12 am
clog,
In the US we mostly feel bad about the Indians. Europe seems to glorify their exploitation. Why is that.
Cloggie on Wed, 31st Aug 2016 7:35 am
Boat, what is your evidence that Europeans glorify “Indian exploitation”?
What is your evidence that they were exploited in the first place. For Christ sake man, we paid 60 hard guilders for Manhattan at the time:
https://ondisplayblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/encounters-in-old-manhattan-american-museum-of-natural-history.jpg
As far as I can see they were pretty well “integrated” in New Amsterdam. Here they fire a cannon directed against the British:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/The_fall_of_New_Amsterdam_cph.3g12217.jpg