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Steve Bannon Believes The Apocalypse Is Coming And War Is Inevitable

In 2009, the historian David Kaiser, then a professor at the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, got a call from a guy named Steve Bannon.

Bannon wanted to interview Kaiser for a documentary he was making based on the work of the generational theorists William Strauss and Neil Howe. Kaiser, an expert on Strauss and Howe, didn’t know Bannon from Adam, but he agreed to participate. He went to the Washington headquarters of the conservative activist group Citizens United, where Bannon was then based, for a chat.

Kaiser was impressed by how much Bannon knew about Strauss and Howe, who argued that American history operates in four-stage cycles that move from major crisis to awakening to major crisis. These crises are called “Fourth Turnings” — and Bannon believed the U.S. had entered one on Sept. 18, 2008, when Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke went to Capitol Hill to ask for a bailout of the international banking system.

“He knew the theory,” Kaiser said. “He obviously enjoyed interviewing me.”

Bannon pressed Kaiser on one point during the interview. “He was talking about the wars of the Fourth Turnings,” Kaiser recalled. “You have the American Revolution, you have the Civil War, you have World War II; they’re getting bigger and bigger. Clearly, he was anticipating that in this Fourth Turning there would be one at least as big. And he really made an effort, I remember, to get me to say that on the air.”

Kaiser didn’t believe global war was preordained, so he demurred. The line of questioning didn’t make it into the documentary — a polemical piece, released in 2010, called “Generation Zero.”

Bannon, who’s now ensconced in the West Wing as President Donald Trump’s closest adviser, has been portrayed as Trump’s main ideas guy. But in interviews, speeches and writing — and especially in his embrace of Strauss and Howe — he has made clear that he is, first and foremost, an apocalypticist.

In Bannon’s view, we are in the midst of an existential war, and everything is a part of that conflict. Treaties must be torn up, enemies named, culture changed. Global conflagration, should it occur, would only prove the theory correct. For Bannon, the Fourth Turning has arrived. The Grey Champion, a messianic strongman figure, may have already emerged. The apocalypse is now.

“What we are witnessing,” Bannon told The Washington Post last month, “is the birth of a new political order.”

Drew Angerer via Getty Images
President Donald Trump speaks on the phone with Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on Jan. 28, 2017, with national security adviser Mike Flynn, center, and Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, at right.

Strauss died in 2007, and Howe did not respond to requests for comment. But their books speak for themselves. The first, Generations, released in 1991, set forth the idea that history unfolds in repetitive, predictable four-part cycles ― and that the U.S. was, and still is, going through the most recent cycle’s tail end. (In Generations, Strauss and Howe became perhaps the first writers to use the term “millennials” to describe the current cohort of young people.)

Strauss and Howe’s theory is based on a series of generational archetypes — the Artists, the Prophets, the Nomads and the Heroes — that sound like they were pulled from a dystopian young adult fiction series. Each complete four-part cycle, or saeculum, takes about 80 to 100 years, in Strauss and Howe’s reckoning. The Fourth Turning, which the authors published in 1997, focuses on the final, apocalyptic part of the cycle.

Strauss and Howe postulate that during this Fourth Turning crisis, an unexpected leader will emerge from an older generation to lead the nation, and what they call the “Hero” generation (in this case, millennials), to a new order. This person is known as the Grey Champion. An election or another event — perhaps a war — will bring this person to power, and their regime will rule throughout the crisis.

“The winners will now have the power to pursue the more potent, less incrementalist agenda about which they had long dreamed and against which their adversaries had darkly warned,” Strauss and Howe wrote in The Fourth Turning. “This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention.”

Cyclical models of history are something academics kick around every now and then, said Sean Wilentz, an American history professor at Princeton University. But the idea has not caught on among historians or political actors.

“It’s just a conceit. It’s a fiction, it’s all made up,” Wilentz said about cyclical historical models. “There’s nothing to them. They’re just inventions.”

Michael Lind, a historian and co-founder of the New America Foundation, a liberal think tank, has called Strauss and Howe’s work “pseudoscience” and said their “predictions about the American future turn out to be as vague as those of fortune cookies.”

But Bannon bought it.

“This is the fourth great crisis in American history,” Bannon told an audience at the Liberty Restoration Foundation, a conservative nonprofit, in 2011. “We had the Revolution. We had the Civil War. We had the Great Depression and World War II. This is the great Fourth Turning in American history, and we’re going to be one thing on the other side.”

Major crises “happen in about 80- or 100-year cycles,” Bannon told a conference put on by the Republican women’s group Project GoPink that same year. “And somewhere over the next 10 or 20 years, we’re going to come through this crisis, and we’re either going to be the country that was bequeathed to us or it’s going to be something that’s completely or totally different.”

The “Judeo-Christian West is collapsing,” he went on. “It’s imploding. And it’s imploding on our watch. And the blowback of that is going to be tremendous.”

War is coming, Bannon has warned. In fact, it’s already here.

It’s war. It’s war. Every day, we put up: America’s at war, America’s at war. We’re at war. White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon, 2015

“You have an expansionist Islam and you have an expansionist China,” he said during a 2016 radio appearance. “They are motivated. They’re arrogant. They’re on the march. And they think the Judeo-Christian West is on the retreat.”

“Against radical Islam, we’re in a 100-year war,” he told Political Vindication Radio in 2011.

“We’re going to war in the South China Seas in the next five to 10 years, aren’t we?” Bannon asked during a 2016 interview with Reagan biographer Lee Edwards.

“We are in an outright war against jihadist Islamic fascism,” he said in a speech to a Vatican conference in 2014. “And this war is, I think, metastasizing far quicker than governments can handle it.”

In a 2015 radio appearance, Bannon described how he ran Breitbart, the far-right news site he chaired at the time. “It’s war,” he said. “It’s war. Every day, we put up: America’s at war, America’s at war. We’re at war.”

To confront this threat, Bannon argued, the Judeo-Christian West must fight back, lest it lose as it did when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453. He called Islam a “religion of submission” in 2016 — a refutation of President George W. Bush’s post-9/11 description of Islam as a religion of peace. In 2007, Bannon wrote a draft movie treatment for a documentary depicting a “fifth column” of Muslim community groups, the media, Jewish organizations and government agencies working to overthrow the government and impose Islamic law.

Carlos Barria / Reuters
Trump signs an executive order he said would impose tighter vetting to prevent foreign terrorists from entering the United States, Jan. 27, 2017.

“There’s clearly a fifth column here in the United States,” Bannon warned in July 2016. “There’s rot at the center of the Judeo-Christian West,” he said in November 2015. “Secularism has sapped the strength of the Judeo-Christian West to defend its ideals,” he argued at the Vatican conference. The “aristocratic Washington class” and the media, he has claimed, are in league with the entire religion of Islam and an expansionist China to undermine Judeo-Christian America.

This sort of existential conflict is central to Strauss and Howe’s predictions. There are four ways a Fourth Turning can end, they argued, and three of them involve some kind of massive collapse. America might “be reborn,” and we’d wait another 80 to 100 years for a new cycle to culminate in a crisis again. The modern world — the era of Western history that Strauss and Howe believe began in the 15th century — might come to an end. We might “spare modernity but mark the end of our nation.” Or we might face “the end of man,” in a global war leading to “omnicidal Armageddon.”

Now, a believer in these vague and unfounded predictions sits in the White House, at the right hand of the president.

“We’re gonna have to have some dark days before we get to the blue sky of morning again in America,” Bannon warned in 2010. “We are going to have to take some massive pain. Anybody who thinks we don’t have to take pain is, I believe, fooling you.”

“This movement,” he said in November, “is in the top of the first inning.”


100 Comments on "Steve Bannon Believes The Apocalypse Is Coming And War Is Inevitable"

  1. antaris on Mon, 13th Feb 2017 11:33 pm 

    Mak, good thing Davy has gone to bed or you would get his blood pressure up late at night and give him a stroke.

  2. makati1 on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 1:21 am 

    Antaris, yippy dogs are annoying. They should all be put down. I try. lol

    He tries so hard to make the U$ look better than anyplace else, and only makes a fool of himself to those who know better. I know better. I lived in the U$ for 62 years. Longer then he has been alive and now I have lived 10 years in the Philippines. I made the correct choice, I think.

    When he has actually lived in another country for years and knows the reality there, THEN he has a right to comment negatively, if it is appropriate. I doubt he has been out of the U$ for more than vacation trips and then he stayed in the tourist areas, not the real countryside.

    Few Americans are willing to leave the money paths when they travel. Most never leave the state they were born in. I’ve been to China, Dubai, (UAE), France, and England in the last 10 years. He hasn’t been farther then his families place in the Bahamas, I bet. ^_^

  3. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:33 am 

    GregT, the U$ only came into both wars when they were about over. Since few Americans know real history, they just suck up the propaganda Koolaid.

    For every dead American, 50 Soviets died. Stalin gave America the world on a silver platter. The Americans merely needed to bomb every German city and fight German kids in the Ardennes to get their desired German colony, as well as the rest of Western Europe.

    But as the saying goes: “easy come, easy go”.

    Both the Soviet and American empires will be the shortest-lived in world history (46 and ca. 75 years respectively).

    (Alt-right Richard Spencer in an interesting conversation with a Brit on the “End of America”, September 2016 –> found white ethno-state in heartland America and get the century of the Trotsky and Soros types over with).

    Death, rape, pillage and fire are the constants in war. No matter the millennia or century or local they are there again and again and again.

    The Germans never engaged in mass rape, unlike the Soviets. And Americans raped far more than was previously assumed.

    But then again, Germans are disciplined first class people, which can’t be said of the Mongols from the Taiga and the descendants of the underclasses of Europe (“huddled masses”).

    But as Dolfie remarked in Mein Jihad: the those-who-can’t-be-named are unable to build an empire, like the Romans or Europeans did. They can only destroy the countries they own through subversion. They have a satanic lust to torture and degrade. In 1991 the USSR was an empty shell. America was destroyed through mass immigration.

    Detroit was in the 60s still the “Paris of the Americas”. Now it is this:

    (Today Paris is the Detroit of

    50% of Detroit’s adults are “functional illiterate”:

    It is only a matter of time before the scenic practice of cannibalism will return to Detroit.

    It is only a matter of time before all the big American cities are like that and the Euro’s will take the only sensible decision and abandon the American project. And they will succeed because it will be in continental European interest that they succeed. After all, an America split in 3 or more parts can’t team up with China against Paris-Berlin-Moscow, like America teamed up with the USSR against Germany and Italy after 1933.

    The Soviet empire went down in 1991. The dismemberment of Anglosphere is next. Australia and New Zealand will go to China (since nobody will defend them), Scotland goes to continental Europe, South-England will be part of the global Caliphate, Canada will fall apart, closet fascist Europe will do to the Muslims and their Sharia what they did to the Jews and their communism and throw them out.

    Of Anglosphere only large parts of America have a real chance to form a real (homogeneous) nation… because there are still so many people of German descent there with the backbone to do the necessary nation-building.

  4. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:41 am 

    “For every dead American, 50 Soviets died. Stalin gave America the world on a silver platter.”

    Sounds like a waste to me but some people admire such things. Stalin was a horrible military leader second only to Hitler. Stalin’s losses prove this out. He almost lost the war from incompetence at the start and then wasted his nation in the rest of the war. Hitler did lose the war from incompetence and destroyed many beautiful European treasures in the process.

  5. Mark Ziegler on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:59 am 

    It is not immigrants that pose much of a threat to America as has Heroin and Cocaine which has devastated nearly every major city coast to coast. Sorry but immigration does not even compare to the real ignored issues we face today.

  6. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 7:08 am 

    “Sorry but immigration does not even compare to the real ignored issues we face today.” Mark, it depends if you are status quo or in tune to a reality of decline. The US is 100MIL (minimum) overpopulated per a carrying capacity in line with a collapsed globalism. In this case immigration does matter. If we need to adapt and adjust to a collapsing global economy and that is very possible, a declining population is advisable, period. If we are facing growth and progress then perhaps you are correct. Which is more a reality? Why are you here if you believe in growth and progress?

  7. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 7:35 am 

    Stalin was a horrible military leader second only to Hitler.

    Hitler was the most competent military leader of them all, but he was facing an overwhelming adversary (the rest of the world basically) in a war that was forced upon him by American Jewry and Stalin.

    “President Roosevelt’s Campaign To Incite War in Europe: The Secret Polish Documents”

    Europe-1943: you can’t do this if you are a “military incompetent”. Compare that with Korea, Vietnam, Somalia or Iraq.

  8. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 8:35 am 

    Clog, be nice, I almost choked on my coffee and had to spit it all over my pants. No long cloggie style rebuttal necessary for makatiland talk like that. Germany had great generals but lacked a competent leader.

  9. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 9:22 am 

    Cloggie, Euros have been saying Scotland will be European since the middle ages. Culloden took care of that. If the Scots really wanted to be European, they would have done it long ago. The Scots want independence, not to be in yet another empire that treats countries like shit, like Germany treats Greece, like a colony. That’s why the EU is fucked. The Scotish elites are using the EU as a carrot to draw independence votes to their cause, but if the Scots go it alone, they will just be another Ireland, but without the illegal tax laws. The EU already told them they don’t want them, but you are an idiot, you don’t actually read stuff, you only post links.

  10. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 9:28 am 

    As for Hitler being a good genral, there is a reason his generals tried to kill him after Stalingrad, because he was a crap general. If he was good, he would have supported Russian rebels, not invaded and destroyed Britain. Stalin was not a general, he never tried to be, after his army reforms he got out of the way and left his generals to do their job. As for rapes, guess what, all armies rape, they rape the hell out of places. Mehmed2 wept to see Christian boys being raped by the victorious Muslims in Constantinople in 1348, he stopped the legal pillage after 2 days instead of the legal 3.

  11. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 9:32 am 

    meant ‘not invaded, and destroyed Britain instead.’

  12. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 10:17 am 

    The Scots want independence, not to be in yet another empire that treats countries like shit, like Germany treats Greece, like a colony. That’s why the EU is fucked. The Scottish elites are using the

    Wrong again joe:

    Euros have been saying Scotland will be European since the middle ages. Culloden took care of that.

    Yeah, military force, because the English know all too well that if they ask the Scots politely, the Scots will take a hike.

    treats countries like shit, like Germany treats Greece, like a colony.

    More rubbish. Big European countries have bailed out irresponsible (=communist) Greece to the tune of hundreds of billions of euro against zero interest rate, which basically means a gift as the principle will melt away against inflation over the coming decades. The Greeks meanwhile keep the EU financially hostage by paying their pensioners way too much money. What the Greeks need is a big financial kick in the teeth and thrown out of the euro and some minor debt relief. The idea that Germany is treating Greece like a colony is ludicrous. Only Germany hating Brits can say such a thing.

    all armies rape, they rape the hell out of places.

    There are huge differences between armies. Soviets were beasts. Germans (and the British btw [*]) behaved largely correct. Americans in between. The Moroccans serving in the US army and who stormed Monte Casino behaved like animals, as can be expected from these savages. Darkies likewise.

    [*] were going to ignore more exotic explanations for this correct British behavior.

  13. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 10:47 am 

    Clogdreamer, how long is this new pan Euro Germanic civilization supposed to last? A 1000 years like the last time? Ba hahaha.

    Oh and pure Aryan blood only eh?

    DNA Shows Genetic Diversity
    Find Refutes Scandinavian Racial Purity Myth

    New research has revealed that Scandinavians are much more genetically diverse than previously thought. A study looking at 2,000-year-old skeletons in Denmark found DNA from all over the world, refuting myths of racial purity.

  14. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 10:54 am 

    1945: The Savage Peace

    “When the Second World War ended, the people of liberated Europe celebrated their freedom from Nazi tyranny. Their years of suffering had ended, but for millions of Germans, the end of the conflict opened a new and terrible chapter.

    The Savage Peace reveals the appalling violence meted out to the defeated, especially to those ethnic Germans who had lived peacefully for centuries in neighbouring countries. Using rare and unseen archive film, the documentary tells a harrowing story of vengeance against German civilians, which mirrored some of the worst cruelty of the Nazi occupiers during the years of war. The Savage Peace includes the unique testimony of eyewitnesses and victims, who recall the horrors with searing clarity, their memories undimmed 70 years after the events took place. This a story that has, until now, been untold amidst the justified celebration of an end to an unspeakable tyranny. But as the writer George Orwell said, the treatment of the defeated Germans was a terrible crime that has gone unpunished.”

    Goes around comes around.

  15. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 11:33 am 

    Canada is mainly a dumpster for people who couldn’t make it in Europe or Asia.

    But there are some treasures among them of great intellectual honesty and bravery. Not every Canadian is a liar like Friday, there are some righteous ones too:

    When the truth about WW2 will be revealed when Russia will open its war-archive and Russia finally will arrive in Europe, the whole self-righteous Anglo-Soviet pack of lies will implode.

    Oh and pure Aryan blood only eh?

    That’s not your cup of tea, eh, Ukrainian Eskimo.

  16. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 11:57 am 

    Clogloser, look at the Canadian solider smiling and look who has the grumpy face.

    The Canadian knew he was going home to boom times while Europe and Asia needed to clear the rubble – the consequences of fucking with the best. Clear the rubble after signing their unconditional surrenders and going on trial for war crimes.

    Poor clog, 72 years of sour grapes. I bet it shows on your face.

  17. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 12:05 pm 

    A Canadian soldier escorts captured German parachute troops during fighting near Uedem, 28 February 1945

    Sgt Aubrey Cosens shatters the Germans at Moosdorf

    Woo wee, does Canada ever produce some first rate ASS-KICKERS.

    Clog, where was your daddy when all the real men were fighting and dying? Hiding in an Attic like little girl Anne Frank?

    Canadian troops posing with a captured German flag, near Hautmesnil, note Sten gun and Lee-Enfield rifle, France, August 10 1944.

  18. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 12:17 pm 

    Clog, apparently you are #1

    The 10 Most Multicultural Cities In The World


    Known as a welcoming place for immigrants and asylum seekers, Amsterdam, which is the largest city in the Netherlands, proudly boasts a diverse population. With approximately 178 different cultural backgrounds, the city is a lively blend of friendly people from all over the world. This cosmopolitan city also has a host of multi-lingual people, and for those new residents who cannot speak Dutch, the city offers many language classes ‘mostly free of charge’ to help them. Amsterdam also hosts many cultural events throughout the year, which emphasizes their worldly view, including the DRONGO Festival, a celebration for multilingualism held at the Amsterdam Public Library.

    Ahh, the Dutch are just so progressive – how sweet is that?

  19. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 2:22 pm

    “Their Wehrmacht Was Better Than Our Army”

    “Fighting power of the German Wehrmacht (Part I)”

    Embarrassing US figures about comparative strength of Allied soldiers versus the superior Germans:

    In 1944 this superiority was still about 2:1, and one German soldier at the front caused an average loss of 7.78 Russians for one German casualty.

    Americans were better than Soviets, but not as good as the Germans:

    According to calculations by the US Army the results of the battles in WW2 were only possible, when the soldiers of the Wehrmacht – man for man and unit for unit – were 20 to 30 percent more effective than was the British and American forces they faced.

    Data from a Dutch Jew and war expert (Martin van Creveld).

    Any questions who is really superior? Of course not.

  20. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 2:46 pm 

    The moon-landings, hands down the greatest achievement of European man until today, would not have been realized without the leadership of ca. 112 Nazi scientists and engineers + enormous resources of the US tax farm:

    Here is how an arrogant German looks like, designed to conquer the universe.

    Uebermensch is a German word.
    Loser an Anglo word.

    Von Braun is how the “Uebermensch” looks like.

    The single sentence that accurately describes the Anglo mind set versus the Germans, made by English football player Gary Lineker:

    Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win.

    Just read the posts by joe (with small ‘j’) to get an impression of what the English (and their Canadian foot-soldiers) really think.

    Here the current head of NASA:

    I doubt if he is smart and competent enough to properly close down NASA, an organisation mainly specialized these days in evaluating satellite data.

    NASA under Charles Bolden – boldly going nowhere.

    Idiots like Friday can only see one future for European man: breed themselves out of existence as soon as possible with non-whites. And this is the official party line in Anglosphere, where every acceptable thought is being prescribed by the Soros bunch.

    Yesterday the God-emperor wasted an hour or two by receiving juvenile Canadian airhead and self-described feminist and George Soros butt-boy Trudeau. America, demographically with the back against the wall, finally found the nerve to break through political correctness and is preparing for the final showdown.

    We in Europe will not let our younger and naive brother down. Not that they deserve it. But there can’t be a shred of a doubt who is going to be on top by 2030:

  21. Boat on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 4:15 pm 


    Didn’t much of the Gernan population think much like you when they were handed their ass in WWII? Germans while having a lot of talent have a very long history of bad decisions. Since WWII Germany has recovered through trade and global trade. This was made possible by the idea and persuit of capitalism. Not hate, racism and reliving the sins of the past. Take a chill pill hitler boy.

  22. Boat on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 4:25 pm 


    What is really amusing is the fear of a handful of rich Jews and the inability of to apparently compete with them on a fair playing field. Are they just to smart? You have no pride with incomplete skills? Seems to me there should be no problem if you and yours were superior. Why does it take violence to push an agenda. Your vehicle is capitalism. Try out working the Jew. Not killing them because they are more successful.

  23. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 4:49 pm 

    So much for detente or is this just more card games like the One China policy?

  24. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 4:54 pm 

    Yes Davy, looks like it that Trump caved in for the establishment. He lost Russia-friendly Flynn and has installed a Jewish finance minister.

    If this is true, this is the end of the “bromance”, before it started.

  25. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 4:59 pm 

    “Trump caved in for the establishment.”

    Just like I told ya he would on election day.

    He just getting started.

  26. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:01 pm 

    Take a chill pill hitler boy.

    Suckers like you understand nothing of history.

    Enjoy the BLM run Gulag and pray that your “racist” older brothers will take the trouble of getting you out of there. Meanwhile, why don’t you study the dominating role of your pets in the USSR and what they did to dummies like you.

    You seriously think that your pets will use their superior IQ-points in your interest and not theirs? In their eyes you are a stupid goyim, they can have a little fun with. And in your case I can hardly blame them.

  27. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:04 pm 

    Hmm, didn’t address the 2 speed Europe comment. Duely noted cloggie. I’m begining to seriously doubt you are Dutch at all dude.

  28. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:07 pm 

    Davy, I told you Trump was a marshmallow. Accept it. He’s out to make the Trump family rich. It should have been President Sanders, but the Dems couldn’t accept that. It was ‘her’ turn and the people were not given the choice they wanted. Trump was an ABH (anyone but her). The Dems shot themselves in the foot.

  29. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:14 pm 

    Joe, let’s what to see what shakes out of a Putin/Trump meeting before you start jumping up and down claiming you are Dr Geopolitical.

  30. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:17 pm 

    I pray to God he can do somthing. But the left and the media won’t allow him and the NATO establishment will impeach him if he tries anything solid. The left is blind to the real danger, the orientalisation of the western world driven by the demand for cheap labour and racial hatred of whites and christians.

  31. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:23 pm 

    Clodscum, not only was Von Braun a Nazi pig but he was also in the SS. That’s hardcore. But look what he did the very minute Germany was beat – he was nothing but a cowardly Turn Coat. The leadership of the Nazis took the cowards way by shooting themselves in the fucking head and/or taking cyanide and the scientists joined the enemy Soviet or American instead of standing up like men and showing the courage of their convictions. Cowards and turncoats the lot of them. All that talk of Uebermensch is a big fucking joke. Oh ya they all tough when it’s a bunch of civilians they are bombing or have them lined up in front of a trench to shoot them in the neck, but as soon as real men stood up to them it was game over, run away and hide, suicide or join the sworn enemy. What a complete joke German’s are.

    Oh and if An American Robert Goddard, hadn’t invented the liquid fuel rocket the those scum scientists would not have been able to jack it up so it could get to the moon and you forgot to mention that hundreds of American scientists and engineers were working on it too. Further Von Braun was not a super star scientist, he was a great project organizer. He had lots of practice when he was a cowardly Nazi working slave labour to death at Peenemünde building those primitive V2 rockets.

    Germans at last learn truth about von Braun’s ‘space research’ base

    “Until now, the Germans have sought to portray the base at Peenemunde – which employed 12,000 people during the war years – as merely the missile research centre run by Wernher von Braun, who later worked on the American space programme.”

    “Such images contrast sharply with the horrific conditions experienced by more than 20,000 foreign slave and concentration camp labourers who perished through starvation and maltreatment while constructing the V1 rocket at “Dora”, the underground Nazi armaments factory in Thuringia, central Germany.
    A Polish slave-labour survivor of the Dora factory recalls how Wernher von Braun visited the works and seemed “completely unperturbed” by the piles of corpses.”

    Nazi scum German scum…all the same to me.

  32. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:25 pm 

    Hmm, didn’t address the 2 speed Europe comment. Duely noted cloggie. I’m begining to seriously doubt you are Dutch at all dude.

    Your problem. I hardly ever read your self-defeating comments. I in contrast have zero problems in believing you are a Brit. I can smell it from a mile away. Let’s hope that the Muslims in London take over parliament as soon as problem, so continental Europe has one worry less.

    Meanwhile the Dutch red CIA media are salivating with the prospect that the Trump government could fall in very short notice. Impeachment here, impeachment there. They are blowing up the Flynn-Russia contacts out of all proportion.

    The American Civil War 2.0 could start as early as this year.

  33. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:28 pm 

    Nazi scum German scum…all the same to me.

    I have learned to know the Canadians meanwhile much better and I am thanking God on my naked knees that I didn’t get that job near Montreal, end eighties and I would have been stuck there (albeit in French territory).

    What a self-defeating bunch, worse than the Brits.

  34. Apneaman on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:31 pm 

    Clog here’s another picture of a German doing what they do best.

    A woman and her child killed by a SS German

    Of course they the best since they did it a few million times.

  35. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:32 pm 

    It’s the European atheist mindset. They cant imagine anything outside their own selfish bubble lives. Its why they will lose to Islam and why British patriots voted leave, they are tired of being asked to allow masses of unemployable euro trash to come and sit on UK checkouts and take UK dole and allowed to fill up the NHS without adding much of anything to the economy. Cloggie seems to be nothing close to the kinds of Eurotards I have met. Many of them are litterally programmed like robots to accept the rule of decree from Brussels. ISIS muslims good, ‘Greek debt defaulters evil, lazy scum’.

  36. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:34 pm 

    Dude, weak reply. Cloggie, now I know your not Dutch man.

  37. Boat on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:38 pm 

    The obvious distraction is Trump taking out the military of N Korea. At minimum it will add street cred to the wild Cheeto.

  38. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:43 pm 

    Boat, that would be some funny shit. I’d give the world 3 months before ww3 if anyone moves in that war zone. Most likely flare ups are Israel v Hizbolla part 2 or full NATO backed advance of Ukrainian army forcing Russia to do somthing. Generals are asking to get more troops cause ISIS are growing in Afghanistan and the Taliban are still undefeated.

  39. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:44 pm 

    Clog, not only was Von Braun a Nazi pig but he was also in the SS. That’s hardcore.

    Yep hardcore SS, that’s what it takes to put a man on the moon, giving the Americans a prestige patina they didn’t really deserve.

    The Dutch btw were the per capita largest suppliers to the SS, outside Germany.

    Canadians in contrast can be used to club a seal and dream all day of getting married to a Bantu girl.

    Not that much happens in such a marriage:

    (ruined by porn).

    Meanwhile Putin would be well-advised to ignore Trump and concentrate on his relationship with China and the European Right and prepare for the inevitable world war between Eurasia and Anglosphere.

    And of course support the American Right by clandestine weapons deliveries, exactly what the Dutch did in helping the Americans to kick the British out in 1776.

    Now somebody else needs to be kicked out of America. Like in 1776, the Americans will be unable to do it by themselves, so they need help.

  40. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:48 pm 

    Clog, the Republicans are in power and they are behind Trump. McCain and Graham are out to get him but they are loons. He will have to make a big time mistake for there to be impeachment. I don’t see it yet. I don’t see an American Civil war either. In a few months the protest will be quiet. Remember Occupy Wall Street? Right. You non Americans are getting a little too stimulated lately.

  41. joe on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 5:49 pm 

    Cloggie worships at the feet of a nazi. Makes him an ally of isis, they love nazis too, they hate jews together and enslave and rape people. Cloggie Holland is fast vanishing to the millions of orientals that the Germans are taking in. Enjoy it cloggie. Britian will give you a home in the future when you are driven from Holland cause you are too stupid to pay for a decent army.

  42. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:01 pm

    You are such an amateur Friday. That is about the most well known fake photo of them all:

    Many Anglos have a jewish mind and instinctively lie about everything and you are the worst Friday.

    Every human gets on average 80 years to live.

    With geopolitical entities it is a little longer: 100 years. After that, rapid or even sudden collapse sets in (France 1815, Britain 1945):

    The two Anglo centuries, British and American, are over. The American Century will end because of the breakdown of social order in America, due to “diversity”, no matter how much the Swedish boat clown will cry “racism”.

    Talking about devirilized Swedes…

    North-America’s black hole is Canada.
    Europe’s black hole is Sweden.

    Here the Swedish feminist “government” on a visit in Iran, where they creep before the Iranian patriarchy, see pictures.

    But at home, where they only meet the week boat types, they express their contempt for their own “men” by making fun of Trump. On the fourth picture you see Trump signing a document, and directly below you see the Swedish vice-PM Isabella Lövin making fun of Trump.

    Enjoy the coming chaos.

  43. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:02 pm 

    I pray you are right Davy. We in Europe need at least four years or so for the political “transition” before we are in a position to help our folks in America.

  44. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:16 pm 

    Meanwhile the war against Trump is continued from Soros territory Canada:

    Here David Frum, a typical Canadian, as becomes immediately clear from his nose, attacking Trump wherever he can. In Holland it is the same. The CIA media smell blood.

  45. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:19 pm 

    Cloggie worships at the feet of a nazi. Makes him an ally of isis

    There is only one real ally of IS and that is you, joey-boy

  46. Davy on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:23 pm 

    Clog, speaking of civil war, it doesn’t look good in Cloggieland either.

    Vice-Chairman of EuroThinkTank States “Euro May Already Be Lost”

    “The Eurozone is in a stalemate. A federal union would be needed to fix its problems, but there is no public support for it. Returning to national fiscal responsibility would lead to defaults and exits. Half-way solutions will prove insufficient but expensive and obfuscate the issues. Therefore, there may be no way to avert the partial or complete break-up of the Eurozone in the years to come. The fate of the euro may already have been sealed.”

  47. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:32 pm 

    Flynn was playing with fire of course by making (honest) statements about the US role in creating IS:

    TheSaker also understands what happened:

    Time for a US sort of SA, …em make that “Bikers for Trump”.

  48. Cloggie on Tue, 14th Feb 2017 6:39 pm 

    Clog, speaking of civil war, it doesn’t look good in Cloggieland either.

    I certainly hope so. Time for a major crash and chaos and to create the circumstances to get very tough with the Washington vassals here. There are a lot of pissed-off people in Europe (“populists”) and the time to settle some scores is approaching.

    As I said before, Trump is no Putin, but a Gorbachev, initiating the breakup of the old order, whether he wants this or not (probably not, Gorbachev didn’t want it either).

    Between the downfall of Gorbachev and the rise of Jeltsin, you had an armed showdown in Moscow.

    I expect the coming downfall of the US empire will come with much more blood shed.

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