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Saudi Arabia’s March Towards Civil War

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Has Saudi Arabia’s brinkmanship and heavy-handed policies of intervention in the Middle East come back to haunt the desert kingdom?

After decades of playing the role of middle man between foreign states and establishing itself as a regional power, Saudi Arabia’s policies of meddling in the affairs of neighbor states and support for terror appear to have finally exacerbated issues in the country which could threaten to plunge it into chaos. Growing anger over attempted austerity cutbacks, economic issues due to the fluctuating price of oil and tell tale signs of royal disagreement over the successor to King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud mean that Saudi adventures abroad are preparing a perfect storm for civil conflict which could lead to further instability in the Middle East. The disruption comes as other states such as Iran and Turkey are positioning themselves as potential competitors to the de facto leader of the Arab world.

I. Saudi Arabia Is Experiencing Increasing Signs Of Instability

Saudi Arabia has experienced a number of issues which contribute to internal destabilization. In April 2017, Bloomberg reported that King Salman was forced to restore bonuses and allowances for state employees, reversing attempts to reform Saudi Arabia’s generous austerity programs. The Saudi government insisted that the move was due to “higher than expected revenue” despite the fact that observers were noting in March that Saudi Arabia’s foreign reserves were plunging as one third of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) of United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar and Kuwait have seen their credit ratings slashed and have increasingly disagreed on common foreign policy towards Iran.

The kingdom’s increasing financial problems are due in part to the falling price of oil. In January 2016, The Independent noted that the dropping value of oil would put Saudi Arabia’s man spending programs in jeopardy and that a third of 15 to 24-year-olds in the country are out of work. The Journal of Petroleum Science and Engineering estimates that Saudi Arabia will experience a peak in its oil production by 2028, but this may be an incredible underestimation. The Middle East Eye has noted that experts in the United States who state that Saudi Arabia’s net oil exports began to decrease in 2006, continuing to drop annually by 1.4% each year from 2005 to 2015. Citigroup has estimated that the Kingdom may run out of oil to export entirely by 2030. The end of the Kingdom’s cash cow is likely to cause problems in a nation that The Atlantic has accused of running itself like a “sophisticated criminal enterprise.”

II. Increasing Signs Of Internal Conflict In Saudi Arabia

There are a number of indications that Saudi Arabia’s royal family is also experiencing a significant amount of internal strife. King Salman has caused significant upheaval in the kingdom by taking the controversial step of totally overhauling Saudi Arabia’s line of succession and appointing his son, Mohammed bin Salman, as crown prince. The move is a dangerous one given that it has caused division in the royal family. Foreign Policy has noted that Saudi Arabia’s security forces are not under a single command authority, meaning that the military runs the risk of becoming fractured in the event of an internal conflict.

In 2015, The Independent spoke with a Saudi prince who revealed that eight of Salman’s 11 brothers were dissatisfied with his leadership and were contemplating removing him from office, replacing him with former Interior Minister Prince Ahmed bin Abdulaziz. NBC News revealed that the promotion of Salman’s son to the position of crown prince has also angered Prince Muhammad bin Nayef, who was previously in line for the throne and is known for his hardline stance towards Iran. On June 28th, 2017, the New York Times reported that Nayef had been barred from leaving Saudi Arabia and was confined to his palace in Jidda with his guards replaced by others loyal to Mohammed bin Salman.

Nayef rules over Saudi Arabia’s Eastern Region, which is described as one of the provinces most likely to rebel in the event of civil conflict due to the region’s large population of Shi’a Muslims. He is generally believed to be one of the leading advocates for the 2016 execution of Shi’a cleric Nimr al-Nimr, a move which caused serious anger amongst Iranians. Nayef’s family also has historic ties to insurgent groups used by Saudi Arabia as a foreign policy tool. His father, Nayef bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, served as Interior Minister and controlled Saudi Arabia’s internal intelligence services, police, special forces, drug enforcement agency and mujahideen forces.

King Salman has used the war in Yemen to counteract elite dissatisfaction by causing what the Washington Post describes as a surge in nationalist sentiment among citizens. The move also served as an attempt to take proactive steps against Iranian support for Yemeni Houthi rebels and prevent destabilization from the Arab Spring. But while intervention may have provided Saudi Arabia with short term benefits, it has also contributed to further fracturing of the Middle East and allowed neighbor states to take steps to replace Saudi Arabia as the region’s dominant power.

III. Geopolitical Changes Increase The Likelihood Of Conflict

It is not merely Yemen that causes the Saudis concern. Years of meddling now mean that the kingdom is increasingly conducting its foreign affairs with the goal of avoiding internal destabilization and balancing a regional house of cards. Wikileaks releases of diplomatic cables from Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs show that officials are committed to continuing to destroy the Syrian regime out of fear that Assad’s government might engage in reprisals for the destructive civil war there. Saudi Arabia has helped fuel the war through their support of Islamic terror groups. State Department cables released by Wikileaks show that Saudi Arabia is considered to be the most significant funder of Sunni terror groups internationally. But like foreign intervention, terrorism as a foreign policy tool serves as a means of directing destructive energy at best.

There have long been fears that the method could grow out of hand and create problems for the benefactors of terror. Saudi security forces have routinely had issues with infiltration by terror groups. In 2001, Stratfor noted the royal family’s growing concern over the increase in terror sympathizers amongst the military due to fears that some of the insurgent groups were not friendly towards the kingdom. Terror groups such as ISIS have in the past several years engaged in a number of attacks against Saudi targets, including suicide attacks which targeted the holy Islamic city of Medina and the Grand Mosque in Mecca.

Traditionally, power in the Middle East has been split between the Israeli and Saudi governments. This regional order may be starting to shift however, due to a combination of changing U.S. strategy and attempts by other Middle Eastern states to become more important players in the region. In March 2016, Julian Assange noted to the New Internationalist that U.S. strategists such as John Brennan increasingly viewed the Israeli-Saudi nexus as getting in the way of broader American strategic interests, especially in regards to Iran.

This political shift is now playing out with the current crisis in Qatar. Qatar has historically positioned itself as a diplomatic center in the Middle East, staying friendly with Iran and providing multiple insurgent groups such as the Taliban with a venue for negotiation. Emails from John Podesta reveal that Qatar has supported terror groups such as ISIS alongside Saudi Arabia, but does so with the intent of vying for influence with terror groups. Factions in Qatar have also leant support to Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, Hamas and the Taliban. Additionally, Qatar’s Al-Jazeera outlet has also provoked Saudi Arabia by providing hard hitting coverage of previously unacknowledged issues in the Middle East (though critical coverage of Qatari politics has been off limits). NPR has also noted that Qatar openly competed with Saudi Arabia during the Arab Spring, when the two sides supported opposing factions in nations such as Egypt. The conflict with Qatar creates a very real risk that hostilities could spill into Saudi Arabia, given both sides’ support of terror groups.

The recent flare up has also revealed the emergence of a new order in the Middle East: states which stand behind the old, Saudi-Israeli nexus and those who wish to redraw the balance of power. Saudi Arabia is supported by Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Yemen and the Maldives. Qatar has been supported by Saudi Arabia’s regional opponent Iran and Turkey. Turkey has been steadily increasing it’s role in the Middle East in recent years, and is seen by the United States as a suitable player to balance Saudi influence in nations like Pakistan. Turkey and Iran now are now actively posturing to challenge Saudi Arabia, as Turkey deploys troops to Qatar and Iran supports the small gulf state with food aid. Should the two states survive the destabilization of coups and terrorism, they are well positioned to benefit from any future reduction in Saudi influence.

IV. Dangers Of A Saudi Civil Conflict

A civil war or internal conflict in Saudi Arabia would quickly become international in nature. Defense contractors are being increasingly courted by Saudi cash as part of an effort to overhaul the military, part of which includes the recent $100 billion arms deal with the United States. Saudi Arabia has also increasingly used private military corporations such as Blackwater, which currently provides personnel to the Saudi-lead coalition in Yemen.

The specter of nuclear proliferation in the Middle East also raises concerns that weapons could fall into the wrong hands or be used indiscriminately. Julian Assange has repeated 2010 claims from the head of Al-Jazeera that Qatar is in possession of a nuclear weapon. Saudi Arabia itself also is suspected of possessing nuclear arms. In 2013, BBC News reported that Saudi Arabia had nuclear weapons “on order” from Pakistan, whose nuclear program was bankrolled by the Saudis. In 2012, the Saudis also entered into an Atomic Collaboration Deal with China which projects that Riyadh will construct 16 nuclear reactors in the country by no later than 2030. Arab acquisitions of weapons of mass destruction have created concern among Israeli intelligence officials, who fear that the countries acquiring these weapons systems will not use them effectively.

Should the conflict with Qatar (or any of the multiple regions where Saudi Arabia has intervened) spiral out of control, the potential proliferation of nuclear arms systems pose a serious danger. International conflicts, regional interventions and terror operations all create the risk that these weapons, whether intentionally or inadvertently, might be used. A Saudi civil war also creates risk for the international community, as there would be widespread unrest should the holy cities of Mecca and Medina be damaged during a conflict.

Falling currency reserves, a dwindling supply of oil, conflict within the royal family and the ever present threat that terror networks will cause backlash for their benefactors all indicate that Saudi Arabia is on a crash course for a crisis. With the Qatari conflict continuing to heat up, the real questions should not be about the potential end of terrorism or the ethics of further weapons sales to Arab nations, but what the world hopes that the Middle East will look like once the dust clears.

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41 Comments on "Saudi Arabia’s March Towards Civil War"

  1. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 8:13 am 

    We saw it happening in Egypt, when the Muslim Brotherhood won both the parliamentary and presidential elections in 2011-2012:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood_in_Egypt

    That was a result of the “Arab Spring”, a genuine grassroots uprising, out of despair, against Arab rulers who were unable to lift the economic level of their respective countries.

    The MB rulers in Egypt weren’t very pro-Western, but Morsi got along fine with Erdogan, very significant.

    http://images.al-monitor.com/almpics/2013/06/1-RTR38LZD.jpg/1-RTR38LZD-570.jpg

    The US deep state, that couldn’t care less about demockressy, be it in Ukraine, Syria or Egypt or even the US itself, gave the nod to the Egyptian military to carry out a coup and Egypt was back in US orbit and president Morsi in jail. Problem solved. Since then, Egypt is being propped up by KSA. But if it can happen in Egypt, than it can happen in KSA. Moneybag Qatar supports the MB, the real reason for KSAs intervention… because KSA is scared as hell that a similar revolution could take place at home, washing away that ridiculous “House of Saud”.

    Very significant is also that Turkey is on the side of Qatar and not on the side of the KSA rulership (and not on the side of the US and its Israeli overlord). Turkey doesn’t want KSA to topple the Qatari Emir.

    If the House of Saud falls, Sisi-Egypt will fall with it and Erdogan would be the strongest Sunni party in the ME.

    If a MB-like club would take over in KSA, the US-led West would lose its most important vassal in the ME and Turkey would take over the role of overlord there. It would be major step in the direction of the coming multi-polar world order and further decay of Western hegemony, or what’s left of it.

    What’s not to like.

  2. bobinget on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 8:33 am 

    Everyone seems to forget. It was KSA financing
    that help build Pakistan’s “Islamic Bomb”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

    Do you have doubts KSA has taken delivery on any number of holy bombs?

    Pakistan (or N. Korea) are building bombs to exchange for oil.

    One’s mind can’t help fear religion’s after-life temptations. Born of slave master strategies.
    (promise of better lifes here-after)
    Remember, there are good reasons for atheist
    death penalties in Saudi Arabia.

    Even in the US, criticism is heard around throwing gays off tall towers, not permitting females equal rights, beheading in general, (KSA oil vital to our ‘security’.)
    Killing off atheists, well thats a bit harsh but, after all that’s their business.

    The US, by aiding KSA genocide in Yemen is just as guilty. All in the name of a steady supply of cheap oil.

  3. Paulo on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 8:46 am 

    Good comment, Clog.

    Good riddance to them. Let the region swelter and fix their own futures.

  4. bobinget on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 9:30 am 

    What’s with this ‘deep state’ crap? Clogged Up.

    There is no such thing as a ‘limited nuclear exchange’. Paulo.

    #1 Which side are ‘we’ (the US) on?
    #1 Almost as confusing, what actions will Israel take. Lately they have been ass-kissing Saudi Arabia flying bombing missions in Yemen and Syria.

    In any case:
    Israel will be radio-active for decades even if Iran and Saudi Arabia manage to avoid the temptation of destroying Israel as promised.

    There is nothing ‘civil’ about war.
    How many more regional wars can the world stand?
    Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria? (all oil states or pipeline-a-stans)

    Then, there’s the refugee question.
    Climate, War, religious, gender, racial persecution
    refugees, where will fall-out contaminated, ‘they’ go?

    Anything growing in the entire region will be unfit.

    Naturally, we think about our family, ourselves in the event of a nuclear war.
    With roughly one fifth of the world’s population
    gone, crops contaminated, it going to a be a rough remainder of the 21st century.

    Lets hope Islam can indeed sort out religious differences w/o killing everyone.

  5. Apneaman on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 10:39 am 

    What’s the KSA good for about 10 million bpd? Tell yourselves a civil war there will not result in oil shocks for the over privileged white folks. Those line ups at the CostCo gas bar will for cheaper gas gonna be an all day wait.

    Remember the mini shit storm from one little (big picture) pipe line incident from last year?

    Fuel prices up and down East Coast spike after Ala. pipeline explosion

    “For the second time in less than two months, a major breach closed down a key gasoline pipeline, driving up fuel prices and demonstrating the vulnerability of the entire Eastern Seaboard to an accident on a single piece of infrastructure.”

    ““It’s a very fragile system,” said Andre LeBlanc, vice president of Petroleum Marketing Group, which supplies more than 1,400 gas stations, from Maine to Tidewater, Va. “As we’ve seen over the past two months, this can be very impactful to us.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fuel-prices-up-and-down-east-coast-spike-after-ala-pipeline-explosion/2016/11/01/e6abe1d8-a05c-11e6-8832-23a007c77bb4_story.html

    Google other stories from the time and you’ll find hundreds of “man on the street” interviews of humans bitching and moaning of their all important selves being “inconvenienced” and business owners complaining of profit losses. All from one incident. Imagine the KSA with dozens of Ghawar wells on fire and blowed up pipelines and crazy fuck head-rag head radical Muslim scum causing all sorts of chaos? Except for the few remaining hunter gather tribes left everyone on the planet will feel it.


    Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom

    It can’t last. The U.S. better get ready.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/saudi-arabia-collapse/463212/

    “For half a century, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been the linchpin of U.S. Mideast policy. A guaranteed supply of oil has bought a guaranteed supply of security. Ignoring autocratic practices and the export of Wahhabi extremism, Washington stubbornly dubs its ally “moderate.” So tight is the trust that U.S. special operators dip into Saudi petrodollars as a counterterrorism slush fund without a second thought. In a sea of chaos, goes the refrain, the kingdom is one state that’s stable.

    But is it?

    In fact, Saudi Arabia is no state at all. There are two ways to describe it: as a political enterprise with a clever but ultimately unsustainable business model, or as an entity so corrupt as to resemble a vertically and horizontally integrated criminal organization. Either way, it can’t last. It’s past time U.S. decision-makers began planning for the collapse of the Saudi kingdom.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/saudi-arabia-collapse/463212/

    If the PTB really believe a civil was or mass terrorism has a strong possibility of going down then they will be preparing alright. Preparing for “Boots on the ground”. They have no other choice but to or end up with their own civil war and hordes of angry, blood thirsty Cost Co shoppers. It would be the perfect opportunity for millions of fuck head-ball cap head radical Christian scum to make their move.

  6. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 10:58 am 

    The central Mosque in Mossul has fallen, Iraqi army declares ISIS over, lthough the latter still has 1% of the city, but they will be gone in a couple of days:

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/mossul-iraks-armee-erklaert-is-kalifat-fuer-beendet-a-1155121.html

  7. Apneaman on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 11:09 am 

    Another “Mission Accomplished” hair clog?

  8. Cloggie on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 12:58 pm 

    Another “Mission Accomplished” clog meester?

    Well, apparently not for your tribe.rofl

    Yet another majestic failure of these neocohns…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlatDWqh0o

    They are making too many mistakes… could give the goyim the impression that these folks are not invincible after all, which is indeed the case.

    Iraq is now firmly in the hands of the Shia and as such a Tehran client state, which was not the case before 2003.

    Furthermore, Russia (that XXL country that aspires to become accepted as a major European state… German industry + Russian military + French flair, oh la la, what a potent combination) has shown it can outsmart said neocohns in Syria. Won’t be long and SCO can accept Iran, Iraq and Syria as new members to its alliance, making the West look very old.

    Hoppa, in the dustbin with the West, the last WW2 leftover, after the USSR has bitten the dust before.

    If the ME (KSA & Egypt) goes up in flames, we in Europe can be glad that we still have Russia to rely on for oil and gas, while we are busy setting up 300 GW offshore wind.

  9. Apneaman on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 1:30 pm 

    “clog meester?” I never called you clog meester confused old man. It’s hair clog, like in a bathroom drain with spit and toothpaste and shaving whiskers and makeup and engine grease from my hands all mixed up and cemented with the wife’s long hairs – hair clog. Pound back a can of Drano and unclog your brain dip shit.

  10. bobinget on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 2:32 pm 

    Who now has the billions needed to rebuild utterly corrupt Iraq? (and Libya, and Syria, and, it appears,
    Saudi Arabia. (keep drillin)
    What about the KURDS who really did most of the fighting. Will Baghdad go back to calling them ‘terrorists’? Will they get to keep oil revenue?

    Now that the one unifying force, ISIS, has been kicked out, what now?

  11. bobinget on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 2:40 pm 

    Hear, hear, Bob is calling for a tax on all crude exported by KSA.
    #1 No more Saudi oil imported w/o a ten dollar a barrel restoration tax to be dolled out when a project is completed, not before.
    #2 For the remainder of the year, KSA needs to shell out for over loading US storage.

  12. Anonymouse on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 8:14 pm 

    Forbetards…..

    Who exactly would the ‘sauds’ fight in a ‘civil war’? Afaik, there are no other competing ‘houses’ left in saudi-land. It is likely true that many in ‘saudi’ Arabia, would like to see the ‘saud’ tribe deposed for good, that still would not qualify as a ‘civil war’ (that would be a revolution forbetards). And there is nothing like a popular revolution in the offing, at least, not at the moment.

    Even the case forbetards put forward, is at best, a case of an internal family rivalry. But, this is amerikant journalism and one has give them a little ( a lot) of leeway when it minor things like accuracy. If towel-head #3, or #6 or w/e decides he wanted to take over the top slot, by no stretch of any imagination, would that consistent a civil war. A looming CW sounds a lot more dramatic though, even if everything about that statement would be wrong in this context.

  13. Hubert on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 11:11 pm 

    Real problem with Middle East has to do with overpopulation. It has nothing to do with religion.

  14. Apneaman on Thu, 29th Jun 2017 11:37 pm 


    Police in Dubai have recruited a self-driving robo-car that can ‘scan for undesirables’

    The O-R3 comes with a built-in drone to follow targets off-road

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/29/15893802/dubai-police-robot-drone-car

    Hillary had a whole fleet of them lined up to scan for “deplorables”, but it didn’t work out for her. Y’all mericans getting a solar panel border wall and semi literate Christian fascists instead.

    Six of one half dozen of the other.

  15. joe on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 6:17 am 

    When the US took over from Britian and France in the middle east it made a choice that the UK began, when it acknowledged Israel it finished a process which was planned in a flawed way. Zionism was all about founding a Jewish state, not about how it would survive, jews merely put their faith in God for Israels future and do not concern themselves with their neighbours concerns. Islam failed to break the tribal bonds that prevent Arab unity to simply brush Israel aside. The Muslim Brotherhood seeks to correct that. They could easily create a role for an elected Caliphate with term limits of 7 years etc, there is nothing in Islamic theology against that. In fact in sharia law only a true Caliphate can be made by the acclaim of all the Ummah (christians, jews and muslims and pagans) if you take the first community of Muhammad in Medina. Such democratic values would end the power of the tribal families in Arabia and put an end to Jewish ambitions overnight if God’s will was really implimented on earth. America just wants oil, it’s so called ambitions vis a vis Iran are becoming outdated and no longer remain valid. Iran like the rest of Asia is falling into Chinas orbit, so is Saudi, the US should not try to accomplish by war what it cant do any other way, Obama was aware of this and actually gained allot of leverage over Iran because Iran does not want to be under Chinas thumb, it would rather try to play the US off China, Trump is simply going to force Iran to embrace China, just like Turkey. Nobody in the media wants the people to understand or question why Turkey and Iran and Qatar are making common cause. If the US insists on the path it has chosen it’s likely that no human will live much more than another one or two generations. This is not Trumps fault either. He correctly campaigned against everything he’s doing, this just illustrates just how limited his power is. This has been the case since the US was founded, powerful men have done evil things, knowing they are morally wrong, because not doing them would make them poorer and simply allow others to gain.

  16. ALCIADA-MOLE on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 7:17 am 

    @joe thanks for the rational take on Islam. I think it’s just a way to gain power like everything else. It involves killing so it’s BAU. If clogtard has his way, he’ll start with the jews and his religion will not be Christianity. I’m a Paultard so I came back to my catholic tradition but abandoned it again after 2012.

    If you google image for “white power” you’ll see a whole lot of black. The weakness here is the lack of arabic writings on those pictures and there’s too much red.

    I hope we learned a great deal from the fight against ISIS. It was a sort of asymmetric warfare against an asymmetric opponent with access to modern media and propaganda techniques.

    I hope clog can latch on to a country so there’s financial incentive to go after them. Putin is not too stupid to go for that.

    So you say trump is a tard? I agree. I don’t like strong men like Duterte either. Too much toxic masculinity.

    I read about the kurdish women fighting isis and it’s the first time ever women are in fighting roles and they’re doing awesome.

    This makes me happy because I’m all about women empowerment as a way to fight poverty.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600×315/74/9f/a2/749fa20ab683fe7fd11c3a5f7997c03f.jpg

    In the future they could go after extremist tards and the alternative media propagandists.

    For all this to happen, I think I love the Trumptard. I think America needs another 4 years of him and more of trump. I think we need to embolden clogtard even more. He’s too shy still and this is not good.

  17. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 7:38 am 

    When the US took over from Britian and France in the middle east it made a choice that the UK began, when it acknowledged Israel it finished a process which was planned in a flawed way. Zionism was all about founding a Jewish state, not about how it would survive

    Translation: in order for the UK to get the US fighting on its side in WW1, where the UK and France and Russia in 1917 had basically lost the war and the Germans offered a generous peace (group hug and everybody go home) in a war that was masterminded in London as early as 1891, a UK cabinet minister called Arthur Balfour made a deal offered by US jewry: “give us Palestine and we sick our American serfs against the Germans and bring you victory, how about that”? And that’s what happened.

    Although the Germans had done nothing to the US, US jewry threw Germany into the abyss of Versailles, because they saw an opportunity to get hold of Palestine for themselves.

    In WW2 they did exactly the same again:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybswhnjt

    Now the game is over for these folks and the hour of revenge has arrived.

    Talking about ‘these folks’:

    Hillary had a whole fleet of them lined up to scan for “deplorables”, but it didn’t work out for her. Y’all mericans getting a solar panel border wall and semi literate Christian fascists instead.

    Fascism is so overrated. These Italian operetta warriors killed less than 10 people in Italy between 1922-1943.

    The German National Socialists were hardly ‘better’, they killed ca. 600 people in peace time between 1933-1939, comparable to what the British and Americans did on their turf.

    No, the real ‘good example’ was given by apneaman’s USSR, where millions were killed during ‘peace-time’:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj8fP5wCy9g

    That’s the spirit. This is what they have in store for Americans also btw, if the deplorables get defeated by the US left. The Czeka of the future will be a little “of color” this time.

    Better be nice to the Europeans, you are going to need them, America.

  18. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 7:49 am 

    http://tinyurl.com/ya7qsfav

    Here is the letter (including original) from Chaim Weizmann to Churchill, 10 September 1941, 2 months before Roosevelt managed to provoke the Japanese in dealing the first blow, prompted by the US oil boycott against Japan:

    It has been repeatedly acknowledged by British Statesmen that it was the Jews who, in the last war, effectively helped to tip the scales in America in favour of Great Britain. They are keen to do it – and may do it – again.

    Hoppa: admission of guilt by the Jews of bringing the US into war against Germany twice, both in WW1 and WW2:

    Exhibit A, for the case when the US deep state will be prosecuted by Eurasians in a Nuremberg 2.0 after the end of WW3.

  19. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 7:54 am 

    Saudi-Arabia is not the only country “marching towards civil war”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRuPPSKNhE

    Other candidates are the US, UK, France, Germany, etc.

  20. ALCIADA-MOLE on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 8:16 am 

    actually I think I have a concrete solution for poverty. I think women should fight and there’re tons of women out there. I can’t stand helpless women because they’re poor. I’d rather they fight, something men use to leverage when they want to escape poverty.

    There are billions of fighting age women out there. We need to promote war/fighting to them.

  21. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 8:34 am 

    So you say trump is a tard? I agree. I don’t like strong men like Duterte either. Too much toxic masculinity.
    I read about the kurdish women fighting isis and it’s the first time ever women are in fighting roles and they’re doing awesome.
    This makes me happy because I’m all about women empowerment as a way to fight poverty…

    There are billions of fighting age women out there. We need to promote war/fighting to them.

    Former poster boat made similar noises. American males hoping that their wimmin are going to do the hard work.

    I wonder what happened to Davy’s “gutsy Americans”. Or are they female these days?

    Questions, questions, questions.

  22. Davy on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 8:41 am 

    “I wonder what happened to Davy’s “gutsy Americans”. Or are they female these days?”

    Lol, did I hurt your feelings clog. You don’t take criticism well. Eurotard pansies with such high opinions of themselves get so bent out of shape when faced with the reality of being a tail being wagged by greater powers.

  23. ALCIADA-MOLE on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 8:52 am 

    if you search youtube for india’s untouchables you’ll see a video of an old woman cleaning poop. I hate it because I wouldn’t want it for my mother. My mother fed me while my father enjoyed beating me. I guess he wanted to untard me but it had the opposite effect.

    I stopped hating my father. He was a victim of circumstances.

    Then when I joined the R3VOLution, I came into contact with the same sort of people that remind me of my father. Then I thought this is about peace. I don’t want to destroy America in order to save it. Why are these people here? I began to think about cults and psychopaths and peace cults.

    The problem in India is impossible to solve. But I think I’m getting close that women need to fight their way out of poverty. I think pretty faces is a good for disarming the enemy before sending them to heaven.

    I hope this explains my aversion to toxic masculinity and poverty.

    When I see clog being anti-women, I liked it. I’ll support him any way I can from now on in addition to wanting President Trump for another term.

    I ended up telling the psychopaths to leave because they kept interfering with my peaceful nature. I was afraid I’d start shopping for heavy duty trash bags. It’s better that they leave.

    I read that Ron Paul was like Asimov’s Hari Seldon. I think I’m somewhat similar if I could ask for forgiveness about being too confident myself.

    ps: when I wonder why I don’t score and everywhere I go I don’t see women except old men and women, I started looking in biotech and they’re all there. Just because I don’t score doesn’t mean I have to hate women. If I do the psychopaths will tailor their messages for me because victimhood is just another recruiting ground for higher tards like mollyneux.

    Anyways, the women are busy making progress in gene splicing with the aid of the new invention called CRISPR. I think this may have some benefit on energy production.

    President Trump basically alienated 50% of Americans but I think I love him because I’m a reformed winston smith. I think we need more guys like him in charge.

    So yeah again, the idea of fighting out of poverty is not mine and new either. The twist here is the marketing to women. Even this is not new either.

  24. Sissyfuss on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 9:32 am 

    Moleonacid, the idiot savant of Peakoil.com. Don’t look out your door, Miley. Those people in white coats are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  25. ALCIADA-MOLE on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 9:46 am 

    @siss dear. have a good weekend. told u i’m not fighting u bro. i have yet seen a post that’s longer tha two sentencces fro u and we’re both tards so we should help each other. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX_0763FOjA

  26. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 9:59 am 

    What’s with this ‘deep state’ crap? Clog meester.

    I see bob that you are not entirely up to speed with how your own country works. Perhaps you spend some time on naughty websites and no, not the naughty sites you use to frequent.

    Folks like Pat Buchanan, James Howard Kunster, Paul Craig Roberts, Infowars, heck, even Fox News these days use the term “deep state”.

    It is what Trump calls “The Swamp” or the hoi polloi TPTB or David Duke “the Jews”.

    http://buchanan.org/blog/deep-state-targets-trump-126550

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/04/26/trump-now-captive-deep-state/

    https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/864951603736051715

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBTMKLmdpho

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/america-versus-deep-state/

    But bob, if you haven’t figured out at your age that there is something like a ‘deep state’, you will will never figure it out.

    Better continue backing cookies there up in the North-West.

  27. Davy on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 10:42 am 

    Clog, bob is in his eighties. As far as I know the oldest pissed off white man on the board.

  28. Sissyfuss on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 11:08 am 

    Holymoley, I ain’t scrappin, I’m just crappin in your general direction. Everyone’s a yard in your Universe so thanks for welcoming me in. I’m not a JL Picard fan, I go way back to Kirk and Spock. May the Tribbles cover you in sqeaky effervescense.

  29. Sissyfuss on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 11:09 am 

    Tard, Assiduous. Tard we are.

  30. shortonoil on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 1:14 pm 

    “Clog, bob is in his eighties. As far as I know the oldest pissed off white man on the board.”

    Too many blood thinners have a way of doing that. Feed someone rat poison for a few years, and they get a little eccentric!

  31. Apneaman on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 1:59 pm 

    “Folks like Pat Buchanan, James Howard Kunster, Paul Craig Roberts, Infowars, heck, even Fox News these days use the term “deep state”.”

    ad populum fallacy

    “The ad populum fallacy is the appeal to the popularity of a claim as a reason for accepting it.

    The number of people who believe a claim is irrelevant to its truth. Fifty million people can be wrong. In fact, millions of people have been wrong about many things: that the Earth is flat and motionless, for example, and that the stars are lights shining through holes in the sky.

    The ad populum fallacy is also referred to as the bandwagon fallacy, the appeal to the mob, the democratic fallacy, and the appeal to popularity.

    The ad populum fallacy is seductive because it appeals to our desire to belong and to conform, to our desire for security and safety. It is a common appeal in advertising and politics. A clever manipulator of the masses will try to seduce those who blithely assume that the majority is always right. Also seduced by this appeal will be the insecure, who may be made to feel guilty if they oppose the majority or feel strong by joining forces with large numbers of other uncritical thinkers.”

    http://skepdic.com/adpopulum.html

    clog likes to play that Euro tard/white man game of linking modern western European culture to the Ancient Greeks, but he has obviously never read anything they wrote on logic. I have clog, plenty, and I’m pretty sure they would stab you to death if they were here today and you made that claim to their faces.

    The Deep State, The Establishment, The Big Club, what fucking ever. It’s the same game being played by the same types of humans since time immemorial and your hero’s, like Trump & Putin are just like the rest of them. Infantile, clinging man-boys like you are their favorite type of useful idiot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

    http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/

  32. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 2:17 pm 

    I’m afraid that the TalmudTurk needs a little help with understanding the ad populum fallacy he is fencing with in a perky way:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for “argument to the people”) is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: “If many believe so, it is so.”

    The point with the deep state is that only a few people are aware of it, not the hoi polloi. You may or may not like people like Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts or James Howard Kunstler, but it is beyond dispute that all three of them are American elite, accomplished people, not populum as you claim they are.

    Hope this helps.

    logic. I have clog, plenty

    I know, dialectics is your core business, obviously not to find the truth, as Socrates would like to have it, but to win an argument, any argument, independent of the truth. Dialectics, the core skill of inbred liars.

    And you are not even very good at it.

  33. Apneaman on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 3:16 pm 

    poor clog always on the defensive after I spank you like a little bitch. Oh and don’t forget that you’re the one one who whines about the “Gates of Vienna” and all that bullshit then goes and spends his Euros in the Turk capital where they planned out their invasions and conquest of Europe and where many Europeans were worked to death as captured slaves of the Muslim Turks. What’s up for this years corporate canned vacation for the wannabe white supremacist? A trip to Jerusalem to hand over your Euros to the Zionists? You’re more interested in bragging about your vacations than you are about demonstrating any courage of conviction. Another armchair white supremacist waiting around for “someone” to do “something”. If your waiting for one of your homoerotic strong man heroes (all foreigners) to do something you’ll die waiting.

  34. Sissyfuss on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 3:29 pm 

    App and Clog catfights are worth the price of admission. Oh wait, it’s free.

  35. onlooker on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 4:26 pm 

    And so is Davy and Makati

  36. Apneaman on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 5:30 pm 

    Sissyfuss, I bet it’s doubly interesting since I’m fighting with one paw tied behind my back and wearing a blindfold. Even with the handicap, I still don’t break a sweat.

  37. Cloggie on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 5:38 pm 

    I bet it’s doubly interesting since I’m fighting with one paw tied behind my back and wearing a blindfold.

    Is your boyfriend paying you a visit again, eh, doing naughty things to you?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apnea

    Voluntary apnea can be achieved by closing the vocal cords, simultaneously keeping the mouth closed and blocking the nasal vestibule, or constantly activating expiratory muscles.

  38. Apneaman on Fri, 30th Jun 2017 7:00 pm 

    clog, I pitch, not catch.

    Hey say hi to all you bum buddies in the Reich

    Berlin firefighters work to tackle flooding after ‘heaviest rain in a century’

    ” According to tabloid Bild, the rainfall on Thursday was the heaviest seen in the capital for 110 years.

    A spokesperson for the Berlin Water Works told Bild that 150 litres of water fell per square metre in the district of western Spandau.

    “On average around 580 litres of rain fall every year in Berlin. That means that a quarter of the normal total for the year fell within an 18 hour period,” the spokesperson said.”

    https://www.thelocal.de/20170630/weather-calms-but-more-heavy-rain-expected

    Watch Berlin’s heaviest rain in 110 years turn subway stairs into a waterfall and roads into rivers

    Videos show the German capital submerged as heavy rain battered it on 29 June.

    “The fire service said they had been called 2,000 times by 9pm on 29 June, and the wail of sirens was a constant backdrop to gushing floodwaters and heavy rain throughout the day.”

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/videos-berlin-floodwaters-swamping-buses-subway-stations-700-firefighters-deployed-1628437

    Heatwaves one day, flooding the next. Enjoy the end-times old man.

  39. Cloggie on Sat, 1st Jul 2017 3:35 am 

    Watch Berlin’s heaviest rain in 110 years turn subway stairs into a waterfall and roads into rivers

    So what? It is just like with the Olympics that began in 1866, where in 2016 there are still new records established.

    When did the Germans started collecting weather data? Perhaps as late as 1871, when the country began to exist?

    The glory of additional CO2 in the atmosphere, Global Greening:

    https://www.thegwpf.com/content/uploads/2016/10/AAA3-1024×677.png

    Rapid increase in vegetation everywhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySvIDZ38Uk

  40. joe on Sat, 1st Jul 2017 7:31 am 

    From al Basrah to the Saudi oil feilds there is an arc of Shia people, the real problem is that the US is oversimplified the problem, they are not distinguishing between Shia Arabs, and Shia Persians (Iranians). The Saudis keep feeding the US a fake scenario that Iran wants Americas oil and will use religion to do it, the truth is the opposite way round, the Sunni Saudis are using religion to crush the Shia Arabs and deny them the liberties you reading this enjoy. The more worthless the oil becomes, the less important Saudi Arabia becomes and so the more violent the Wahabbis will be. They want to do to Iran what the US did to Saddam, demonise him, break him and then invade him and rape the country. This is the second time the US has done this, will the world learn its lesson and permit a third?
    When the British took over from the Dutch imperialist East India Company (that’s right cloggie, blood is all over Dutch hands too, you guys were just too little and got in the way) it continued a process began by greed, maybe soon that process will end.
    A saw a nature documentary recently that was about house building animals, the narrator concluded that over time all dwellings build by animals fall to the forces of nature, we are no different.

  41. malahmadi on Sat, 1st Jul 2017 4:40 pm 

    For the past 35 years several writers have been day dreaming about the collapse of Saudi Arabia without knowing a clue about Saudi and its people. All I can say is stop smoking the bad stuff.

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