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Russia Is Preparing for a Massive War

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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko claimed Thursday that the upcoming Russian military drill in Belarus shows Moscow is preparing its forces for a much bigger conflict. The comments came during his annual address to parliament.

Russia’s backing of separatists in the eastern region of Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea show no sign of being reversed, Poroshenko added according to Ukrainian news site Ukrainska Pravda. On the contrary, Ukraine thinks the Kremlin’s military ambitions are only going to grow.

“There are no signs at the moment that Moscow would be ready to pull back from Donbas or leave Crimea,” Poroshenko said. “In fact, there is more and more evidence for its preparations for an offensive war of continental proportions.”

The drill between Russia and Belarus near NATO’s borders has concerned western allies who do not believe Moscow’s public claims that the drill will involve fewer than 13,000 troops and will focus on defensive tactics.

Baltic NATO allies have stressed that the map of the exercise effectively paints them as the enemy and Lithuania has accused Russia of simulating war with NATO in the drill. Former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili has also warned that the drill could be used to move Russian troops into Belarus and leave them there after the drill is finished, something that could even lead to “annexation.”

Ukraine, which borders both Russia and Belarus, should also brace itself for any deployment near its territory, Poroshenko said on Thursday.

“Under the guise of strategic command exercises, we are not ruling out the creation of a new assault group of Russian troops to strike Ukrainian territory,” Poroshenko said. “Some 2,000 transporters with soldiers and equipment have approached and are approaching our borders. There is no guarantee that after the end of these maneuvers all this will return to Russia.”

As a precaution, Ukraine has strengthened its border security, Poroshenko told parliament. The Zapad drill is only intended to last around a week, though with a handful of other drills in the nearby regions of Russia over two months, the Ukrainian leader said Moscow was evaluating its capabilities along a hypothetical Western front.

“Obviously the Kremlin is checking how ready not only the Russian military but the entire Russian state is for a big war with the West,” he concluded.

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46 Comments on "Russia Is Preparing for a Massive War"

  1. Cloggie on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 4:57 pm 

    The putsch-president who drove out a democratically elected colleague with help from the CIA, now accuses Russia of preparing for a “massive war”, adding to the artificial anti-Russia hysteria currently viral in the US media.

    Surprisingly even Newsweek admits that Washington had a hand in the putsch:

    http://www.newsweek.com/cia-has-been-undermining-governments-years-531609

    The U.S. State Department was caught red-handed helping neo-Nazis in Ukraine topple the democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, to install an American puppet. The president who took office following Yanukovych’s abdication was Petro Poroshenko, a former mole for the U.S. State Department. The U.S. referred to him previously as “our Ukrainian insider.”

    Yeah right, (((Petro Poroshenko))) warning for Russia, what else is new.

  2. Cloggie on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 5:29 pm 

    “Chicago Trump-free zone”

    The mayor of Chicago (((Rahm Emanuel))), as we all remember the handler of president Obama, who succeeded that other Obama handler (((David Axelrod))), also from Chicago, has declared Chicago a “Trump-free zone”. This in response to measures from Trump to restrict rights of illegal immigrant. According to Rahm Emanual there can never be enough illegal immigrants, who at some point in the future can and will be used as the desired proletariate to break the back of European America.

    Obama was at the time selected as presidential candidate by (((four businesspeople))), also from Chicago.

  3. Davy on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 6:32 pm 

    clog, try hanging out with some non-white people sometime. They are human just like a white Europeans and generally nice people too. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I am against immigration for reasons of overshoot but the people that are here are welcome.

  4. makati1 on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 8:10 pm 

    Consider the source of the “facts” for this piece of propaganda. The paid off, ($$$) Poroshenko chocolate maker, posted by yahoo, a department of the US propaganda machine.

  5. makati1 on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 8:30 pm 

    Russia doesn’5t have to prepare. The US is killing itself:

    “Antibiotic-brined chicken and other bad ideas from US farming”
    “America is losing battle to prevent strokes, as risk factors increase across population”
    “Your tap water may contain plastic, researchers warn” ( The US is Number One!)
    “Meth, coke and oil: A drug boom in the Texas shale patch”
    “Opioid Use May Explain 20% of Drop in American Men’s Labor-Force Participation”
    “What Country Is This? Forced Blood Draws, Cavity Searches and Colonoscopies”

    http://ricefarmer.blogspot.fr/

    And the slide continues…

  6. GregT on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 8:48 pm 

    ” I am against immigration for reasons of overshoot but the people that are here are welcome.”

    Other than the indigenous people, everyone else is an immigrant, and overshoot is a planetary problem, not an American one. Those imaginary lines drawn in the sand don’t mean jack shit. There is only one species of animal that they are meant to contain, that would be the humans.

  7. Theedrich on Thu, 7th Sep 2017 11:57 pm 

    There are no “indigenous people.”  That is simply a propaganda slogan.  Homo sapiens spread from Africa ca. 50,000 to 100,000 years ago;  some of this species mixed with Neanderthals who had preceded us by several hundred thousand years.  The first immigrants to the Americas over Beringia during the last ice age were subsequently exterminated by other tribes that followed them.  The “Indians” (Amerinds) are proto-Mongoloids whose descendants average 90-93 in IQ and are largely incapable of maintaining any civilization higher than those of those nice stone-age Aztecs and Incas whom the conquistadors vanquished in short order.

    It is only a combo of White-hating Yids, cretinous Christians, dung-brained academics, and businesses that want cheap slave labor, that wants the lower forms of Sapiens to invade Whiteland.  Given the depraved elites who rule the West, together with cowardly and brainless populations transfixed by the Heeb media, it is difficult to imagine how the vast Ponzi scheme entangling Western Europe, the western hemisphere and Australia can continue beyond the mid-twenty-first century.  The so-called “values” (actually emotion-charged drivel) trumpeted by the elites to maintain their power are nothing but verbal attempts at brainwashing the herd into extinction.  Given that the herd really does not care about its own future, one cannot see how all the ultra-high-tech weaponry of the Empire will be able to save it in the long run.  And extinction is forever.

  8. Apneaman on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 12:21 am 

    The Russians define themselves by war. They been at it a long time and 250 years of the ‘Mongol Yoke’ is burned into their psyche. I think they thought they were on their way to an American Yoke as they were trying to recover. They know war as much as any nation or culture. The have been both the victim of expansionist and invaders and invading conquering imperialists themselves. Regardless of what one thinks of them, when the time comes they will throw down. They are tough and not afraid of sacrifice. Most wars have been won by the side that is willing to take the pain and keep on coming. Big battles and superstar generals and kick ass tactics and weapons are real glamours and make for sensational history channel documentaries and movies, but it attrition. Like how the Vietnamese commies took everything the Americans had and never quit and wore them down. Broke their spirit in Vietnam and in the US. That was their plan all along and it worked. The Vietnamese have a long history of invaders too. The US was just the latest in a long line of them. Even the Romans, for all their superior organization and discipline and tactics, got their asses whooped plenty of times. They just kept coming and coming and coming. Whole legions would get wipe out and they would send another. That’s how you break the other guys sprit. Make him think you will never quit. The Russians are like that in many ways. It’s a nuke world so war ends it all. Now it’s an economic, political and propaganda cold war of attrition.

  9. Cloggie on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 1:57 am 

    clog, try hanging out with some non-white people sometime. They are human just like a white Europeans and generally nice people too.

    You try to make an issue of “niceness” out of it, where the real issue is identity. I do not demonize non-whites, there are no good or bad ethnicities, although I would like to make an exception for a certain tribe that can’t be named.

    I probably see more with non-whites in Holland than you see in your white enclave refuge, deep in Missouri, not to mention Greg’s wilderness, forced as I am to live in the “glorious US empire”.

    You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I am against immigration for reasons of overshoot but the people that are here are welcome.

    You should hang out with Greg more as you both have much more in common than your daily futile feuds would suggest. These feuds are the result of your distinct passports and your half-hidden closet imperialism, resistance against which you denounce as “anti-Americanism”, which is what disgusts Greg.

    But for the rest, you both are fine Anglo liberals, both 1%-ish, both ex-private plane owners, probably still with a well-filled bank account and as such well-to-do hobbyist preppers and doomers…because you both can afford it. And what you both also have in common is that you refuse to identify with your own Anglo group, which you do not want to protect and that in principle your country is open for anyone who sets foot in it. In both your view every human biped qualifies to be a North-American. You both take the word “racism” serious as a moral imperative, rather than what it really is, a kosher invented commie weapon-word, intended to ruin the European race, of which you both are members through ancestry, but not through deeds.

    Instead you both flirt intellectually with Kogi, American Indians, Chief Seattle, or rather the false image created by liberals, with which you both have absolutely nothing in common.

    You both are preaching “anti-racism”, but in between live the good white lives, of which the lesser white fortunate are deprived off, because of the actions of “their” white/kosher elites.

    But I am telling you, with that attitude you are either blowing up both the US and Canada, because you cannot erase identity with fake mantra’s like “racism”… or you create the conditions for a full blown dictatorship, necessary to keep the diversity high-pressure cooker from exploding.

    That’s what’s on the menu for the coming years for North-America. It is a conflict that cannot be avoided other than by withdrawing in the North-American bush or flee to Manila or Europe. By embracing the battle-cries of your enemy you have destroyed your own country. You both won’t fight. Others will.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg

  10. Cloggie on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 2:52 am 

    Brexit talks going nowhere. British negotiator David Davis is often absent, mutual trust is at the bottom, negotiated settlement ever less likely.

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/brexit-barnier-lehnt-irland-papier-aus-grossbritannien-ab-a-1166626.html

    The likeliest outcome will be a hard Brexit, that is Britain simply walking away and paying nothing. That also means that Britain will be excluded from the European market. It almost certainly means that the future of Gibraltar will be very uncertain, with the Spanish government feeling tempted to seize the opportunity and take it back in a nacht-und-nebel action. Although that could very well prompt the US government, even under Trump, to intervene, we in Europe should take that risk and be prepared to wage war against Anglosphere, but not after some secret talks with the Russians and Chinese first about how the world should look like…

    https://postimg.org/image/n7wrkxs6z/

    … after the end of two centuries of AngloZionist supremacy, in a similar fashion as when in the thirties the Roosevelt government, the Churchill war party in Britain and Joe Stalin were plotting for the downfall of Europe.

    Although we could miss these folks like the plague, Goldman-Sachs is looking for extra office space in Frankfurt. Der Spiegel estimates that GS could quadruple its presence there. It means that GS is taking Brexit ver serious.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/brexit-goldman-sachs-will-anzahl-der-mitarbeiter-in-frankfurt-vervierfachen-a-1166666.html

  11. Antius on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 3:42 am 

    Cloggie, more hopium fantasies.

    I seriously doubt that the Spanish government will go to war over Gibraltar. What would be the point? The Spanish are people that quickly caved in when the Muslims bombed one of their trains. You really think they have the stomach for a war with the ‘Anglosphere’ as you put it?

    Britain will ultimately be better for this. There will be a transition period, during which businesses doing business with Europe decline and new ones doing business with the rest of the world grow up in their place. But we are not a small economy and we will adapt.

  12. Cloggie on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 5:25 am 

    The Spanish are people that quickly caved in when the Muslims bombed one of their trains.

    I can’t remember that the British organized a pogrom after Rotherham, nor after the London attacks.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12189064/London-more-Islamic-than-Muslim-world-scholar.html

    London ‘more Islamic’ than Muslim world – scholar

    You think you can mobilize these Muslims for a conflict with Europeans?

    You really think they have the stomach for a war with the ‘Anglosphere’ as you put it?

    I wasn’t talking about the Spanish alone, but after a conflict erupts, between Anglosphere and Eurasia.

    http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/788064/Spain-wants-Britain-give-up-Gibraltar-no-intention-Morocco-enclaves

    Now that America and Britain are destroying itself, total new geopolitical options arise.

    The waiting is for real conflict to erupt in the US. The general rule is that those who enter a war last, usually wins. So, patience my dear and concentrate on building offshore wind turbines and consume wine and cheese. Life is good.

  13. Antius on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 5:37 am 

    ” The likeliest outcome will be a hard Brexit, that is Britain simply walking away and paying nothing. That also means that Britain will be excluded from the European market.”

    Nope. It means that Britain will trade with the EU under WTO rules, the same way the other 93% of the world does. We will have to export to the EU through the EU tariff barriers, but will be outside of the tariff barriers applied to the EU by the rest of the world. We can also import from other nations without the tariff ‘tax’ applied to imports coming into the EU, unless we choose to impose our own. Of course, the EU will have to export to the UK through the UKs tariff barriers and the EU is a net exporter to the UK. There will be winners and losers from Brexit, both within the UK, the EU and outside of both. But there is no reason to believe that a hard Brexit will mean economic disaster for the UK, although of course, we are facing the same economic disaster as the rest of the world.

  14. Cloggie on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 5:57 am 

    Nope. It means that Britain will trade with the EU under WTO rules, the same way the other 93% of the world does.

    WTO rules do not apply in times of conflict. I must point at sanctions the EU (under US pressure) has imposed against Russia.

    But there is no reason to believe that a hard Brexit will mean economic disaster for the UK

    I don’t think disaster indeed, but it certainly will do no good to Britain either. And Britain will be very isolated. Why would big companies have their headquarters in Britain, when all the action is in Eurasia?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/06/britain-world-sidelines-brexit-trump-theresa-may-g20

    Britain is going to be a lonely, windy, rainy place with few friends, a fading history of glorious imperial times and a lot of Muslims.

    On a positive note, it will be easy to meet declining electricity demand with wind power.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

  15. Davy on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 6:31 am 

    “Other than the indigenous people, everyone else is an immigrant, and overshoot is a planetary problem, not an American one. Those imaginary lines drawn in the sand don’t mean jack shit. There is only one species of animal that they are meant to contain, that would be the humans.”

    Shut up grehg you sound stupid. In the real world we have immigrants.

  16. Antius on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 6:31 am 

    ” London ‘more Islamic’ than Muslim world – scholar”

    Islamic colonisation is a problem that all of Europe faces in equal measure. Have you been to Rotterdam or Paris lately Cloggie? Being in the EU would not have made this problem any less severe, nor its solution any easier. Freedom of movement under EU rules has substantially aggravated the problem. The political ideology of both national leaders and EU bureaucrats is the source of the problem. At no point was there any real economic advantage in allowing these people to settle in Europe. It was entirely down to political ideology.

    “I wasn’t talking about the Spanish alone, but after a conflict erupts, between Anglosphere and Eurasia.
    http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/788064/Spain-wants-Britain-give-up-Gibraltar-no-intention-Morocco-enclaves

    There is no conflict between the Anglosphere and EU. Only the one that exists in your mind. We are all members of the United Nations and NATO. We all trade under WTO rules. There are disagreements over trade and foreign policy, but open military conflict between Europe, UK and US is unlikely. There is simply nothing to gain for either party and at a time severe economic uncertainty and soaring debt levels; no one can afford a protracted foreign war – the US included. In spite of talks of an EU army, the EU does not exist as a military power. Individual member states have limited military capabilities and virtually no ability to project them abroad. In order to change that, EU member states would need to ramp up defence spending and divert their resources towards a common EU war machine. This is something that few, if any, politician in Europe has any interest in doing. It would mean diverting money away from social welfare projects.

    Incidentally, there is no Anglosphere as such. Speaking a common language allows for easier communication and shared cultural heritage. Sometimes, it allows opinion to converge in particular ways. But it does not mean that the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc. are part of some common empire that wants to conquer the rest of the world. Each have their own interests, each trades with the rest of the world and their governments answer to their own populations.

    “The waiting is for real conflict to erupt in the US. The general rule is that those who enter a war last, usually wins. So, patience my dear and concentrate on building offshore wind turbines and consume wine and cheese. Life is good.”

    The general rule is that those who enter the war with a big, technologically advanced war machine, powered by high-EROI oil tend to win. That describes the US, Russia and China – though none of them are in a strong position to mount an expensive foreign war. It does not describe the EU, whose oil supplies are shrinking and whose army is small to non-existent. What your offshore wind turbines do in practice is reduce the amount of natural gas burned in European power plants feeding the electricity grid. The trouble is those turbines and their transmission cost a lot

  17. Davy on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 6:51 am 

    “You should hang out with Greg more as you both have much more in common than your daily futile feuds would suggest. These feuds are the result of your distinct passports and your half-hidden closet imperialism, resistance against which you denounce as “anti-Americanism”, which is what disgusts Greg.”

    Nope and yeap, clog, grehg and I have much in common with the exception he hates Americans. OH, he loves Americans who hate America. He is best friends with them. I would say a healthy 20% of Canadian intellectuals are rabidly anti-American and all on this board are. If you could call the millennial anymouse1 intellectual. Normal Canadians are like normal Americans just trying to get through this difficult life or sheeples without direction. Grehg and I used to discuss lots of prepping solutions back before he let his hate get in the way. He turned to the dark side and that is where he is today. The ends justifies the means. That my friends is an ethical black hole because where does that stop?

    I have no imperialism in my bones. If I did I would not be a doomer. An imperialist would be talking grandly about how the US will continue to be the superpower. The US is no longer a superpower but it is still one of 4 great powers. It is here to stay. If it goes the other powers go. This is because we are “overly” connected not just interconnected.

    You are a rambling Paris Berlin Moscow imperialist who is consumed by a revised past and a fantasy future. I am not saying everything you say is warped but it is how you stich it together that shows you are missing a few screws in the ole noggin. You believe in neocolonialism. You are a white racist who wants a final solution of sorts for people of color. OH, and old man what about your feuds with Ape? Are we being a little hypocritical with the kettle calling the pot black? I can’t stand double standards and that is where you are half the time.

  18. makati1 on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 7:17 am 

    “Crashing Dollar Sends European Stocks, US Futures Reeling; Yuan Has Best Week On Record”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-08/crashing-dollar-sends-european-stocks-us-futures-sliding

    And the beat goes on…

  19. Cloggie on Fri, 8th Sep 2017 8:22 am 

    Islamic colonisation is a problem that all of Europe faces in equal measure. Have you been to Rotterdam or Paris lately Cloggie?

    I visited our capital The Hague in 2000, when I was registered in Munich and needed my passport renewed for yet another yuppie holiday to the Maldives, so I had to go to The Hague. The visit to the town hall of The Hague scared the hell out of me: one giant sea of head scarfs. One year later the Pim Fortuyn rise began and it turned me from a liberal yuppie into a “European nationalist” of sorts.

    Being in the EU would not have made this problem any less severe, nor its solution any easier. Freedom of movement under EU rules has substantially aggravated the problem.

    The immigration policy is NOT caused by the EU, but a consequence of being a member of the US empire. Before 1940, no single European country would have thought it a good idea to open their lands for mass immigration from the third world. London, Berlin, Paris, Brussels… all populated by US vassals. The only way to end this drama is to destroy the US empire. And that can only happen from within.

    There is no conflict between the Anglosphere and EU. Only the one that exists in your mind. We are all members of the United Nations and NATO. We all trade under WTO rules. There are disagreements over trade and foreign policy, but open military conflict between Europe, UK and US is unlikely.

    There is no conflict yet, but a hard Brexit will be a conflict. And with a potential conflict in the US looming between European America and the AngloZionist overclass in Washington, the old western status quo could soon evaporate. And then the world order will move away from US-lead western hegemony into multipolarism. Could be a messy process.

    But it does not mean that the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc. are part of some common empire that wants to conquer the rest of the world.

    Indeed not by direct military involvement (apart from Afghanistan, Iraq or Serbia) but through infiltration, bribe and subversion (Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Macedonia, Egypt to name a few).

    There is very well an Anglo inner circle, the so-called Five Eyes…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

    …of which Germany and France are definitely not a member. Second tier.

    Paris Berlin Moscow imperialist who is consumed by a revised past and a fantasy future.

    I have noticed before that you have a hard time understanding the difference between een confederation and an empire.

    I have no imperialism in my bones.

    Well, you will not admit it, but you did admit that you deem it important “to keep sea-lanes open in the South China Sea” with your ten carriers. That is, you still approve of the US as the global policeman.

    You are a white racist who wants a final solution of sorts for people of color.

    Folks like you are very good in inventing “final solutions” of all sorts, just to demonize your opponent. I am just telling you what is going to happen to your country as a consequence of you embracing values, originating from folks that want to destroy your society and bolshevize it. Sounds very good, this “anti-racism” of yours, but as soon as things go wrong, you will be heading for white Italy with your new acquired Italian passport.

    “Anti-racism” my foot.

    OH, and old man what about your feuds with Ape?

    That is a long time ago, after he learned he can’t defeat me with yelling and name-calling. Your feud is now.

  20. Bloomer on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 8:42 pm 

    The Ukraine is commiting genocide on its own Russia speaking citizens in the Eastern Ukraine Donbass region.Poroshenko is a US puppet and needs to tone down the rhetoric and make peace.

  21. makati1 on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 9:51 pm 

    Bloomer, not going to happen. The US is desperate to get a big war started before it collapse’. Only a total crash of the US will ease he pressure. I hope it is soon.

  22. makati1 on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 9:53 pm 

    Cloggie, you did a good job on that Missouri Mule. lol

  23. Apneaman on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 10:07 pm 

    Davy, just because someone criticizes the dirty deeds of the American empire and points out the dangerous and stupid shit that the non leadership is doing on behalf of the owners does not mean they hate America or you. Well, maybe Mak, but not every critic. I’ve criticized Canada, it’s stupid consumer citizens and puppet politicians and corporate take over. Does that mean I hate Canada? Probably in the eyes of some child like patriots. I see you as still you suffering that peculiar, American unwritten rule about picking a side. Left or Right. If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists and all that bullshit.

    If I really hated America, you know what I would do? I would put my intellect, debating skills and powers of persuasion – my propaganda, towards supporting the status quo and spreading denier memes all over like peanut butter and pushing emotional buttons to distract and muddy the waters. I would do this because an unimpeded, unchallenged, unquestioned establishment/deep state/status quo will bring the US down the fastest if given enough the rope. They are already most of the way there. Not much left of the constitution or law courts for the citizen to challenge power and the greatest police/surveillance state in history is in place, girded up for battle, and ready to rumble.

  24. Boat on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 10:29 pm 

    clog,

    “The immigration policy is NOT caused by the EU, but a consequence of being a member of the US empire”

    Are you free to vote your leaders? Free to vote your policies? The US went from GW to Obama to trump. The UK went away from the EU. Blaming the US won’t drop immigration like the cheeto is trying to do. Grow some balls and take responsibility.

    California is 38 percent white and goes it’s own way a lot in a conservative center right US. They prove there is no need for a white majority. In a couple decades Texas will be joining them.

  25. Apneaman on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 10:30 pm 

    clog, so if the empire packs it bags an Europe is completely autonomous, am I supposed all the captains of industry and rich shareholders are going to want to kick the cheap labour out of the E union?

    What else will become perfect hen the empire goes home? Hey how about speeding? The only reason drivers in Europe speed is because the empire is making em do it. The minute they leave all the citizens in all the eurotard countries will lay off the gas and speeding will be no more. All crime will stop and so will infidelity and lying. It’ll be a wondrous kumbaya moment. I only wish I could be there clog, so I could buy you and all of empire free Europe a Coke and live in perfect harmony. (shit, Coke is from the empire too).

    Clog you will then, be free, your battle won and duty done. Your ‘gates of Vienna’ moment. You can happily let go and depart to the big, ‘White People Only’ mansion in the sky.

    Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccGz-li_rgM

  26. makati1 on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 10:52 pm 

    Ap, I do not hate America. I hate what it is doing to the rest of the world. I also do not feel sorry for the ones who support it by not trying to change it. By constantly defending it. By paying to support it. The people are at fault for that reason. They could do something, but they won’t because they like the easy life and enjoy the perks of their plundering, murdering government. If I cold make it like it was in the 50s and 60s, I would, but I cannot. I just prefer to live outside the asylum.

  27. Apneaman on Sat, 9th Sep 2017 11:01 pm 

    clog, I was at this site browsing and in this one article the guy sounds much like you.

    “American and world capitalism is rotten to the core. The ruling class presides over unprecedented social inequality and unending war, in which resources are dedicated to greed and plunder, but the most basic requirements of modern society go unmet and ignored.

    Such a society is ripe, indeed overripe, for revolution. The task is to fight unceasingly to develop the political consciousness of the working class, so that it can fulfill its historical mission to become the ruling and directing force.”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/09/pers-s09.html

    Y’all should team up N take em down.

  28. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 1:59 am 

    Are you free to vote your leaders? Free to vote your policies?

    Not really. If you promote anti-immigration you will be demonized by the US vassal mass media and if necessary the system will kill the right-wing leaders:

    Pim Fortuyn
    http://tpo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Pim-dood.jpg

    Joerg Haider (note bullet hole in bonnet)
    http://tinyurl.com/y9whzwx3

  29. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 2:05 am 

    so if the empire packs it bags an Europe is completely autonomous, am I supposed all the captains of industry and rich shareholders are going to want to kick the cheap labour out of the E union?

    Business follows signals from politics. If politics closes borders, business will not assassinate politicians. This cheap labor story is a myth. Mexicans may work, but these Muslims and Africans add nothing to a modern economy, that needs brains, not unskilled and unmotivated nose pickers.

  30. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 2:35 am 

    California is 38 percent white and goes it’s own way a lot in a conservative center right US. They prove there is no need for a white majority. In a couple decades Texas will be joining them.

    Most countries in the world have a non-white majority and survive. Granted, at a lower level, but they muddle on, pun intended. The point is that, unless you are a left-wing extremist like you, who thinks that women should fight in armies or that becoming a minority is good for your own ethnic group, most “whites” (Europeans) don’t like it at all to become a minority in “their own” lands. And for good reason. Because you put yourself at the mercy of the new majority.

    Regarding that California of yours, it has long stopped being the Golden State:

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7619/9-most-bankrupt-states-america-yours-list-aaron-bandler#

    And the other states on the list are mostly the ones with a high number of non-whites. Again, America is trying to remain a first world country and at the same time is busy replacing its population with third worlders.

    That doesn’t fly. Something has got to give and that something will be ditching first world standards and being a world empire. It is as simple as that. What we will live to see, probably before 2025, will be a financial and societal collapse in the US and the “whites” running for the exits, resulting in a not so United States and a wave of secession attempts, that might very well succeed. Europe from Atlantic to Ural mountains has the same size as the US and has 30 or so countries. America is big enough for 3 or more countries.

    It was a certain minority that set the US on the path of mass immigration from the third world as per 1965.

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

    Let’s face it, they won. America is over, destroyed demographically. Accept that fact, let America go and concentrate on your tribal interests. And remember that in Europe and Russia you can receive all the military support you want… because they would love to see the overlord/hegemon go.

    Manifest Destiny will be put in reverse gear. White America will need to retreat from both coasts and will end up as a mostly land-locked country. That’s what you get if you sit on your hands for decades, watch television for hours per day and consume pictures made by your (((enemy))), intended to destroy you. They succeeded and all that remains is saving what can be saved and ensure that you escape from (((them))) and not let them erect a tyranny over your head so that you might end up in the gulag with BLM-SJW-Antifa guards.

  31. Antius on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 2:50 am 

    “Pim Fortuyn
    http://tpo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Pim-dood.jpg

    Fortuyn was killed by a far-left nut case. There is no evidence that his death was organized by a larger authority, although it would not be surprising. People at that end of the political spectrum cannot tolerate anyone that does not accept their political ideals. They respond with venomous hatred and violence. The zionist owned media turn a blind eye to that. It is common to hear about violence at a BNP rally. What they won’t say is that it is far left nut cases physically attacking people that they don’t agree with. These people are incapable of reasoned debate. They simply want unconditional acceptance.

  32. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:07 am 

    “The immigration policy is NOT caused by the EU, but a consequence of being a member of the US empire.”

    Give me a break. You are a sovereign group of countries. You are just transferring your problems and blaming and complaining. A typical whining Eurotard pussy. Man up you Eurotards need to take responsibility for your lives.

    “Paris Berlin Moscow imperialist who is consumed by a revised past and a fantasy future.
    I have noticed before that you have a hard time understanding the difference between een confederation and an empire.”
    Nope, you are dreaming of a white racist empire which all hinges on the death and destruction of my people. So go blow smoke up someone else’s ass. You are an Empire wanna be just like makat. You are two old delusional old men with ugly messages.

    “I have no imperialism in my bones.
    Well, you will not admit it, but you did admit that you deem it important “to keep sea-lanes open in the South China Sea” with your ten carriers. That is, you still approve of the US as the global policeman.”
    Give me the exact references and we will discuss that in detail. Using you embellished extremist revision of what I might have said is typical of your mouth stuffing BS. The US has a right to be there if other countries are willing to have us there in treaties and economic arrangements. I am all for reducing the US military footprint in the world especially in Europe where a people should do more to protect themselves. Why should we be wasting our treasure on lazy pansies?

    “I am just telling you what is going to happen to your country as a consequence of you embracing values, originating from folks that want to destroy your society and bolshevize it. Sounds very good, this “anti-racism” of yours, but as soon as things go wrong, you will be heading for white Italy with your new acquired Italian passport.”
    You are a racist that would have no problem with a final solution if it came to that. These people are subhuman in your mind. They are real people clog, with lives very much like yours. You are a sick old man if you can’t see that. I agree immigration is a bad thing but not because these people are bad. We should not be mixing people anymore and we have carrying capacity problems now. Immigration is not going to solve that. I want no more people in my country. The ones that are here I say good luck with your new life. As for Italy. I likely will not go there because I am happy here. If I have no choice I may go there but until my kids are old enough I will be here to protect them. If I die doing that so be it. That is what real men do they sacrifice and die for their family. They do run off to refuges in fear and blame it on others in hate.

  33. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:19 am 

    Fortuyn was killed by a far-left nut case. There is no evidence that his death was organized by a larger authority, although it would not be surprising.

    At first sight that is true. But if you experienced the reaction of Dutch politics and media in the year of the rise of Fortuyn, as I have, you would agree that Fortuyn was set up to be killed by the media and politics and carried out by a leftist criminal like Volkert van der Graaf.

    The standaard populist phrase in Holland is: “de kogel kwam van links” (the bullet came from left)

    http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/42456/lpf-voorzitter-de-kogel-kwam-van-links.html

    The “conspiracy theory” is that environmental activist van der Graaff had killed a civil servant Chris van der Werken earlier and that the secret service arm-twisted him in carrying out the hit in return for rather lenient punishment. And indeed, van der Graaff came out after 12 years and has zero remorse:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a9pDdIruQI

    He even admits that there is more to the story, but that he doesn’t want to talk about it.

  34. Apneaman on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:26 am 

    Thanks clog for another one of your fantasy future forecasts based solely on you wishes.

    I too have been predicting the demise of the US and have, as you know, stated many time that the biggest factor in the end will be AGW consequences breaking the bank and have provided link after like of ever more costly disasters above and beyond anything ever recorded.

    This was all before AGW Jacked Harvey (early estimate $200 billion) which I also said to boat awhile back was a real possibility (right again). Now Hurricane Exxon-Irma is about to throw down on them and there is more in the pipe.

    None of your collapse predictions has ever included any mention of AGW consequences and I remember you specifically say AGW would have no ‘significant’ effect on the big picture.

    Compare our predictions. Mine have been bang on with many billion dollar disasters of all kinds and they are breaking records just like I said they would. In a handful of instances they are breaking their own records from the last two years.

    Your prediction for your big race war – a few protests gone wild with a few beatings and one death – from a car. Ooooooo, That’s like a day at Disney land compared to US protests in the 1960’s. You think all this shit is happening because that’s all you talk about and read about and you have yourself all worked up and convinced, but little to show as evidence. Very little. Like ALEX FUCKING JONES you think yelling and hysterics makes it more true. As it stands now it’s almost all speculation and blowing shit out of proportion. Your way ahead of yourself.

    My predictions on the other hand have a growing body count and hundreds of billions of dollars in destruction as evidence.

    Me = real world & actually happening.

    You = making shit up and hoping it happens.

  35. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:28 am 

    “Davy, just because someone criticizes the dirty deeds of the American empire and points out the dangerous and stupid shit that the non leadership is doing on behalf of the owners does not mean they hate America or you.”
    Oh sure Ape, if that was all it is but it is not and it is excessive and it is extreme and you are one of the worst. At least you do occasionally include others in your cancer diatribes. I enjoy several of your comments that have a message many are just hate farts. Yes, you guys do hate American and you hate me. You just don’t want to come out and admit it. You do everything in your powers to discredit me and my people. Just me saying “my people” makes your blood boil. You are full of shit if you think I am going to bite at your bait. I read your comments and hear all your hate daily. You are a west coast Canadian extremist just mudding up the waters with hate and discontent.

    “Well, maybe Mak, but not every critic. I’ve criticized Canada, it’s stupid consumer citizens and puppet politicians and corporate take over. Does that mean I hate Canada? Probably in the eyes of some child like patriots. I see you as still you suffering that peculiar, American unwritten rule about picking a side. Left or Right. If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists and all that bullshit.”
    Please spare me your rationalization of your extremism and hate. It is just not reality. You are preaching hate and you justify it because you like your other BC buddy on this board believe the end justifies the means. There is nothing you can do about these things you complain about. The way you attack Rockman is particularly disgusting. I ignore and avoid you unless you call me out mainly because I don’t have time to butt heads with you. You are too friggen complicated and in self-turmoil. Your personal message is all is lost so kill yourself. You especially want Americans and agents of cancer to kill themselves. You are from the richest part of the world. Likely sitting on a small fortune in property there in Hongcouver. Yet, you want to point fingers at the US. Your wealth is part of the problem too. Your Canada is an accomplice to the sins of the US Empire.

    “They are already most of the way there. Not much left of the constitution or law courts for the citizen to challenge power and the greatest police/surveillance state in history is in place, girded up for battle, and ready to rumble.”
    Yea, I agree but you extreme anti-Americans want complete surrender. You want us to unconditionally surrender to your message and rise up and kill ourselves. That is the only way you would be happy. You country is little different and so is the world. Yes, we are coming apart but not as fast as you like and when we do you will too and you will deserve it because your so called polite and friendly Canadians hate Americans in there heart. Maybe not the normal Canadian sheeple but you intellectual Canadians. You people are hypocrites and extremist. I tell anyone who ever brings up Canada that you hates us. We deserve to be a talking point but not a message of hate.

  36. Antius on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:40 am 

    “You are a racist that would have no problem with a final solution if it came to that. These people are subhuman in your mind. They are real people clog, with lives very much like yours. You are a sick old man if you can’t see that.”

    Davy, human beings form groups based upon common ethnicity and religion. When resources are constrained or one group introduces upon another, they compete, often violently. It is the way of the universe. It can be ugly, but it is as much a part of human nature as breathing. It is human evolution in action. When nature carves her beauty from the dead basic elements of the Earth, she does it by carving away at living flesh.

    As soon as mass immigration started, a ‘final solution’ became inevitable. That is what the Far Left wack jobs could never understand. There was always going to be a showdown between the natives and the colonists. Well guess what? Cloggie and I are white European natives. We will not standby while our homes are taken from us. If some sort of conflict is inevitable, then it is best to make sure that you win unconditionally. That is why final solutions tend to happen.

  37. Apneaman on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:57 am 

    Davy, I’ve actually been going easy on rockman and boat. Gonna let them recover from their city tragedy first then the beatings will start anew. As far as I’m concerned it’s the rockman and those like him who are the most disgusting……and guilty. Take a look at their efforts. Is this not why you are up at 3:30 in the morning central time? To Hurricane watch? AGW Jacked Hurricane EXXON-IRMA is the big show. It’s all jacked up like it is on steroids and methamphetamine thanks to the denial industry and that army of true believer amateur denier internet scum. There’s some real disgusting humans for you Davy. What you are watching now is because of their tireless efforts. Oh and all those death threats the scientists and their families have been getting for years? that one goes on rockmans bill too. A big part of the denial propaganda was to get retard white conservatards all angry. That’s who has given all the threats you know. White male American conservative climate deniers. Now tell who are the haters? How would you feel if you got a letter saying ‘I’m going to kill you and your kids’ and all because you were doing your job? There is no getting away from it. Deniers are poison and the rockman is not at the top, but he’s in the middle and he has been on here many time trying to muddy the waters. Just because they pay PR firms and hide behind them does not make them innocent. They know exactly what they are doing, have been doing for decades. They guilty.

    Climate change denial should be a crime

    In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence—and hold those who do the denying accountable.

    https://theoutline.com/post/2202/climate-change-denial-should-be-a-crime

  38. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 3:58 am 

    Give me a break. You are a sovereign group of countries.

    Since 1945 we are a US colony.

    Man up you Eurotards need to take responsibility for your lives.

    We will. The first thing we will do is kick US ass back to the prairie where you belong at the first opportunity (provided you do not give away the prairie as well to the third world, wo don’t want to be a “racist”, now do we?). Trump and Brexit are two perfect opportunities to break away from Anglosphere and turn to Russia.

    you are dreaming of a white racist empire which all hinges on the death and destruction of my people.

    “My people”? You always avoid to describe who “your people” actually are. What it really means is all human bipeds who make it to America. That ‘s “your people”. But in the mean time you are hypocrite enough to ensure you do not have to live in the “blessings of diversity” and you run off to some white enclave in backward Missouri and from there you continue lecturing the world against “racism”.

    I’m dreaming of what Americans mockingly love to describe as “Old Europe”. We have no need for Africans or Muslims. But American imperialists like you love to dream of a race-mixed world empire, with you folks at the helm.

    Furthermore, America over the last century has caused so much death and destruction around the world that it is time you experience some of you own medicine. Karma is a bitch.

    The US has a right to be there if other countries are willing to have us there in treaties and economic arrangements.

    What other countries have asked the US to patrol the South China Sea with US carriers and other naval vessels? Or the Gulf? Everybody agrees about free shipping. No need for attack carriers anywhere.

    I agree immigration is a bad thing but not because these people are bad.

    Strawman, nobody says that “people are bad”. But you must be extremely naiv to believe that you can invite the entire world into your country without consequences, as in creating a new Babylon, that will fall apart at the first opportunity.

    you are dreaming of a white racist empire which all hinges on the death and destruction of my people.

    You destroy your own country with your stupid leftist egalitarian beliefs and next you blame me for it. You need a new text writer, Davy. I’m just saying what is going to happen to your country. All that remains for you is to pray that we come to save your sorry asses, like in 1776.

    You are a racist that would have no problem with a final solution if it came to that.

    Davy always refuses to discuss history, because “he has moved on”. But when it suits him he will insert his American falsehoods regardless, like the “final solution”, which refers to the decision, taken in January 1942, to deport all the Jews from Europe, now that the Germans had made rapid advances into the USSR, half a year after the beginning of Barbarossa, and the opportunity to deport them finally materialized. The Germans had tried to get rid of the Jews in the thirties (Madagascar plan) and even cooperated with Zionists in Palestine. The reason behind the deportations was that if you don’t deport them they take over your country and destroy it. They either bolshevize it like happened in Russia, with tens of millions murdered or they destroy your country by pushing for third world migration, like happened to the US and with 10-15 years delay, to Europe.

    Once the US and USSR succeeded in conquering Europe, thanks to the aid of the British war party around Churchill, they needed a rationale for their actions and they turned the German deportation program in a “holocaust”:

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4881

    Come on Davy, give me the name and proof of a single person who was gassed in one of the 6 alleged “extermination camps”. You won’t, because you can’t.

    These people are subhuman in your mind. They are real people clog, with lives very much like yours. You are a sick old man if you can’t see that.

    You are a stupid old egalitarian American if you can’t recognize that the world consists of competing tribes, who all have a group identity and compete with each other for territory, resources and imposition of religion. No need for “subhuman” concepts. In a zoo, nobody will put tigers and lions in the same cage. The idea to let Europeans, Africans and Muslims in a singe country is stupid (or vile if you happen to be the (((owner))) of the multicultural cage).

    But you don’t want to hear of it. Americans like you don’t care about history anyway, since it is a “waste of time”. Folks like you are more interested in “finance”, just like your masters.

  39. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 4:03 am 

    Antius, don’t you think it I somewhere in between? I can see you reacting violently to the Muslim element that is taking violence to you. Take care of it and if need be kill them. That is your business. People are going to kill people when the situation gets bad. You guys want to talk about my country and my race issues but it is different here. We are going to have race issues. We have always had race issues. These race issues are localized in my country and there basis varies. My Missouri county is 95% white. No race issues here. Most of the time it is economic related poor inner city blacks for example. We have some race issues in my home town of St Louis but mainly a small inner city area. The rest of the city does fine. We are going to have more violence in the US but not the kind clog preaches. He doesn’t know what is going on here. He reads extremist literature, of course he is going to see the US in extremist ways. We are coming apart as a country but not how he want us to. It will likely be a drawn out process and all you other nationalities will be a part of your own decline and decay.

    The final solution I talk of is of a generalized type that is more directed to a vision of a white world clog preaches. It is not related to localized issues. Clog, hates people of color. I say people of color are normal people. I know because I have friends that are of color. I dated a Mexican girl. I am against any more immigration because we have too many people now. If we have race issues and they are inevitable battles I will defend my turf against those who come to attack me. I am well armed and good with guns. I grew up with them. I am an expert marksman. My point is in the generalized view. People are good of any color. Other cultures are good too. We mixed cultures way too much with globalization. This was not good.

  40. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 4:26 am 

    Ape, my point is we are all fossil fuel derivatives. It is too late to change things. Your message is revenge without results. In fact the consequences may be swifter decline if we have radical reactions to decline you would like to see. You want to punish people not make it better. Science denial is a bad but so is following science but then denying science when the results don’t jive with ones desires. We are all in denial including you. Science is the biggest denial racket. Science is really the reason we are where we are at. Unconstrained scientific pursuit has killed a planet and you want to act like science denying is bad. Science is bad. Wisdom is good. Humans can’t handle science and that is why we are an evolutionary dead end.

    It is easy to blame people it is much harder to make things better especially if there is nothing you can do. Your blame and complain is just for retribution like an army in defeat killing deserters. Does it really matter once you are defeated? OK, if you get a satisfaction on extracting revenge then fine kill them. There are people to blame for the destruction of a planet but to a point. At a certain point we are all to blame. Further up the ladder it is just nature’s unfolding. You don’t really think humans are in charge do you? I mean at a certain point we are just part of a life process. All your intellectualism means nothing at all at this higher place. In fact it is just a joke of an overly serious individual wanting revenge.

    My message is personal solutions of a localized type. If I get caught up in the bigger issues it is because I am being scapegoated as an American. The US deserves a big amount of blame. What that “big amount is” is the problem with me and the extremist on this board. I would rather not be arguing most of the points we argue here ad nausea. Most of the time they are petty putdowns. We are all going to die and maybe sooner than need be. I am trying to present a message of ways to navigate the dangers ahead. I am trying to determine when the worst is coming. I am less concerned about blaming and complaining because we are screwed as a civilization and this civilization is all inclusive because it is overly connected. Yes, it is not fair too and that needs to be changed within reason. It is one big fucking mess where does one start. We start with wisdom not extremist blame and complain. The wisdom I preach is “less” and “no”. No one wants to hear that.

  41. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 4:36 am 

    Clog, well I guess your think babbling makes you right because that was one long line of babble. I know I have been doing the same tonight I am also guilty. You are an extremist anti-American. You need to take responsibility for your own sins and problems. The US is responsible for a lot of it but you are responsible for my countries’ beginning. You should be responsible for creating this situation in the beginning. That is right where does the blame stop? Fix your own mess and I will take care of mine. Yes, I am turning my back on the 20th century because it was a failure and mainly a European one. America is a European construct. I don’t follow your efforts at history revisions and messages. It is just too much shit. Too many links and references and many just extremist. It is one big tower of babble. I am seeing decline and decay in the world. I am preaching doom and prep because I am seeing this. If I get caught up in our conversations it is because most of the people on this board are attacking me as an American. I have a backbone and I can attack back. It is wonderful to piss you guys off. You guys can’t look in the mirror and I make you and that is great.

  42. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 4:54 am 

    Davy says: As for Italy. I likely will not go there because I am happy here. If I have no choice I may go there but until my kids are old enough I will be here to protect them. If I die doing that so be it. That is what real men do they sacrifice and die for their family. They do run off to refuges in fear and blame it on others in hate.

    On July 27 Davy said:

    http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/kunstler-the-value-of-everything

    BTW, I will soon have Italian citizenship through marriage just so you don’t think I hate Europe… Wife is getting it for me cloggie. When I get old I may move to her little villiage in the mountains. Never know how bad things might get here. A doomer always has a few safe houses around.

    I would not dream of leaving my country. In 2002-2003 (after having made a lot of money in Germany) I spend 12-18 month full time on my own purse, writing thousands and thousands of posts on Pim Fortuyn forums, warning against the dangers of unrestricted immigration from Muslim countries. That was long before IS and Turkey turning away from Europe.

    You are an extremist anti-American.

    I’m not, I’m anti (((Washington))).

    I don’t follow your efforts at history revisions and messages. It is just too much shit. Too many links and references and many just extremist. It is one big tower of babble.

    Fine. Then don’t bring up the “Final Solution” as a sort of drive-by shooting.

  43. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 5:41 am 

    Italy is wonderful clog. My wife’s village:
    http://tinyurl.com/y9pej7u7
    http://tinyurl.com/yawwj3kr
    http://tinyurl.com/yct2xl69

    I am happy here and I have a responsibility to my kids to provide and protect them. “Maybe” someday I might move to Italy. “Maybe” you techno optimist Europeans will save the day with your renewable revolution. “Maybe” the world will come together in peace. “Maybe” climate change will not be so bad. That is a lot of friggen “maybes”. I am happy here in the hardscabble Ozarks of Missouri. I have my permaculture farm. Plenty of open spaces with good water, lots of trees and great pastures. There is a lot of wildlife. It is good now but I know climate change could make it uninhabitable during the summers one day “maybe”. We may have a NUK war and Missouri will be a big target. I am away from major targets but the destruction will likely be too much to survive “maybe”. There are so many “maybes”. I am having my coffee now. Soon I will go out and tend to the animals. I have plenty to do today especially since my wife has been in Italy for 3 weeks now. I did not go because I don’t want to go anywhere. I am happy here why leave. I am making sacrifices to attain my Gaia credentials. Flying is a no no if you want to be a real green. I love it there in Italy but I believe in localism. I want to live what I preach and what I preach starts with localization and simplification. Traveling is so stressful and for what? I have seen plenty of the world I just want to live a quiet life. I appreciate all your alternative energy comments. They are giving me hope for more life “maybe”.

  44. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 6:56 am 

    You don’t have to convince me of Italy. If it weren’t so far away I would prefer Italy over Switzerland, my 2nd best. Beautiful country, best food in the world, magnificent art, stylish and competent small and mid-size industry. And since the end of the Roman empire no talent for imperialism. Go ask the Greeks.lol

    This is my favorite spot in Venice, far away from the tourists. Have spend many afternoons there on that bench:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybxfklcw

    This is the civilization I want to protect against the hordes.

  45. Davy on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 7:05 am 

    I have been to that spot clog. I love Venice. It is a shame there are so many tourist.

  46. shortonoil on Sun, 10th Sep 2017 7:06 am 

    “The Russians did it, the Russians did it!”

    Same old, same old. When is the media going to get the hint that no one believes that bullshit anymore? They have been singing that same tune since WWII. They need a more credible nemesis. How about North Korea? If that doesn’t work there is always Albania!

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