Syria increasingly seems to be moving toward de facto partition accompanied by ongoing low-level military conflict and a functional, but sluggish politics — a so-called frozen conflict. This may have been the goal all along for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has initiated and managed such conflicts elsewhere, including in Georgia and Ukraine.
Other significant players in Syria, including Israel, the United States, Turkey, and the remaining Sunni Arab rebels, may likewise discover they’d be satisfied with this new reality. The clearest losers, by contrast, would be the Assad regime and Iran.
What are the indications Syria is moving in the direction of frozen conflict? Consider the recent visit by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to Russia to meet with Putin. At the press conference following the meeting, Putin told reporters that, “Following the Syrian Army’s notable successes in fighting terrorism, and with the activation of the political process, the foreign forces based in Syria will start to withdraw from the country.” This seemed to hint that the Russian president wasn’t interested in assisting the Assad regime’s reconquest of the entirety of Syria. And absent the Russian air support that the Syrian military has relied on in major combat operations (including the siege of Aleppo and the destruction of rebel-controlled Eastern Ghouta), such reconquest would be impossible.
Some have speculated that Putin was referring only to the withdrawal of foreign forces opposed to the regime. In the past, Moscow has sought to differentiate between its own presence in Syria (at the invitation of the “legitimate” Syrian authorities) and the uninvited presence of other foreign elements. On this occasion, however, Russia’s Syria envoy, Alexander Lavrentiev, clarified that the president was referring to “all foreign military forces stationed in Syria, including American, Turkish, Hezbollah, and Iranian [forces].”
The Russian statement was followed by an angry response from Tehran. Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi told reporters in Tehran that, “No one can force Iran to do anything. … As long as terrorism exists and the Syrian government wants, Iran will have presence [in Syria].” The dueling statements are just one indication among many of differences between Moscow and some of its allies about the future of Syria. There’s also Moscow’s acquiescence to recent large-scale Israeli air actions against Iranian targets in Syria, and its apparent granting of permission to the Turks to establish a sizeable enclave in northwest Syria. Assad, meanwhile, has rejected a Russian plan for the drafting of a new Syrian constitution that would limit his powers.
Moscow’s pattern of behavior elsewhere suggests that it is comfortable with the maintenance of unresolved conflicts, at relatively low cost. In Ukraine, for example, the conflict in the Donbass remains far from resolution. But by holding parts of Donetsk and Luhansk provinces, Russia ensures that it can disrupt Ukraine’s internal affairs at will, and that its plans and strategy are the most urgent issue facing any Ukrainian government.
In Syria, of course, Russia is backing the government, rather than an insurgency of its own making, as in Ukraine. But Moscow is now making clear that its interests don’t entirely overlap with Assad’s.
This wasn’t immediately apparent when Russian aircraft first appeared over the skies of Syria on Sept. 30, 2015. They were received with a crescendo of triumphant editorials in pro-Iran and pro-Hezbollah regional media. An article in the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar at the time by its editor, Ibrahim al-Amin, heralded the birth of the “4 + 1” alliance, which would include Iran, Iraq, Assad’s Syria, Hezbollah — and Russia. The reality today suggests a more complex picture.
Russia appears largely to have made the points it wished to make in Syria. Its intervention kept the Assad regime from probable defeat in 2015. The regime’s fortunes have since been reversed. It now controls around 60 percent of Syrian territory. The last enclaves of Islamic State control in the vicinity of Damascus were emptied out this week. No danger of rebel victory remains.
Russia has proved the efficacy of its brutal air tactics and weapons systems, and the relative skill and dedication of its revamped army. It has preserved the integrity of its naval bases in Tartus and Latakia, and the Khmeimim air base. It has made its point that Moscow sticks by its allies. And it has killed many North Caucasian jihadis who had made their way to the rebellion.
But Putin evidently has little interest in the job al-Amin, the pro-Hezbollah editor, wanted to offer him: leader of the region’s militant Shiite bloc. Rather, Moscow wishes to make itself the key power broker in the Syrian context, the address through which all must pass in pursuit of their goals. But for this, of course, Russia must be able to grant each party part of what it wants, rather than coming down firmly on any side.
Russia thus wishes to preserve and increase the rift between Turkey and its fellow NATO member states. For this reason, Moscow appears to have conceded the establishment of a de facto Turkish-Sunni Islamist enclave in northwest Syria, stretching from the town of Jarabulus in the east and taking in the greater part of Idlib province. Turkey is currently in the final stages of constructing 12 observation posts ringing Idlib. Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Recep Akdag last week ruled out any return of the recently conquered Afrin area to the Assad regime.
The Turks could not have carried out the operations to establish this enclave without the tacit approval of the Russians, who control the skies above northwest Syria. The regime, of course, regards the Turkish actions as a violation of its sovereignty. But without Russian muscle to call on, there is little it can do.
Farther south, the large-scale Israeli air actions against Iranian facilities have been mostly ignored by Moscow. Russian air defenses have made no attempt to intervene. Putin made clear following a recent visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Moscow that Russia has no current intention to provide the Assad regime with the S-300 air defense system.
Iran has been pushing for the regime to attempt an assault on remaining rebel enclaves in southwest Syria. The arrival of Iran-supported units to the border, however, brings with it the possibility of a large-scale Israeli response. Russia has no interest in such an outcome, which could plunge Syria into a new war and threaten the gains the Assad regime has already made.
In the east, Russia appears in no hurry to challenge the entrenchment of the United States and its allies in the 30 percent of Syria they control east of the Euphrates River.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s throwing down of the gauntlet to Iran in his speech this week indicates it’s unlikely that the U.S. military will abandon its positions in eastern Syria anytime soon. That area acts as a barrier to a contiguous area of Iranian domination stretching through Iraq and to Lebanon and the borders with Israel, and key U.S. allies including Israel and Saudi Arabia clearly hope the United States will retain control over it as a tool for continued pressure on Tehran. U.S. representatives met this week with commanders of the Syrian Democratic Forces in the contested town of Manbij, west of the Euphrates, and pledged continued U.S. support for the Kurdish-dominated force.
Where is all this heading? Russia, having largely achieved its aims in Syria, now wishes to balance its support for the Assad regime with other interests: namely, the continued undermining of the West elsewhere in the world and the maintenance of working relations with other regional powers, including Turkey and Israel. The United States and Israel, meanwhile, are primarily focused on the challenge to Iranian regional advancement. The result will be a divided Syria that serves as the arena for the playing out of non-Syrian agendas — a geopolitical situation that Russia has plenty of experience navigating.
dissident on Sat, 26th May 2018 11:06 am
Typical NATO propaganda drivel. If the Kosovo Albanians are special then so are the Ossetians, Abhkhazians, and Russians living on their own land.
The ICJ at the Hague ruled in 2008 that self-determination trumps national borders. So Georgia and Ukraine have no rights to claim the lands gifted to them by the Soviets along with the indigenous ethnic populations there. Khruschev never had any legal right to hand over Crimea to Ukraine. Lenin never had any legal right to hand over the Donbass to Ukraine either. It was not Putin who created the mess in Georgia. That mess appeared after 1991 when the nationalist Georgian leader Ghamsakurdia launched military action against Ossetians and Abkhazians. Those early 1990s conflicts were frozen until 2008 when another Georgian nutjob, Saakashvilli, decided to finish Ghamsakurdia’s job. Thankfully Russia taught this clown a fine lesson. NATO’s crocodile tears are not worth the time of day.
As for Syria, it speaks for itself. A collection of NATO and Saudi backed head-chopper jihadis tried to take out a legitimate secular government and got spanked hard with the help of Russia. Assad is duly elected and infinitely better than these regime change elements that Washington tried to foist on Syria. These ridiculously labelled “moderates” openly slaughtered Christians and Shi’ites (Alawites) and planned to kill them all. NATO and its fake stream media systematically looked the other way. Too bad for NATO that the genocide isn’t going to happen.
Davy on Sat, 26th May 2018 12:02 pm
Have you ever heard the Canadian anti-American Russophile say anything bad about Putin or Russia?
Cloggie on Sat, 26th May 2018 4:21 pm
Foreign Policy is the brain child of the great and late American prophet Samuel Huntington. His “Clash of Civilizations” immediately electrified me, when I found a German language copy in the book shop Hugendubel located at der Stachus in Munich. Must have been in 2004 and I did spend the rest of the afternoon reading that book before I took it home with me.
And with folks like Steve “The Israel Lobby” Walt on their payroll, FP can’t be seen as a “neocon rag”. Actually there is little to disagree with in this very factual article, free of innuendo and demonization.
Putin’s job in Syria is finished, he prevented Syria from becoming a US colony and was the single most decisive force in defeating the US ISIS mercenaries, the US claimed to combat, but didn’t really as they were content in keeping the hapless country in a state of chaos. Assad is here to stay and if he wants to recapture the rest of his country, he can do so on his own purse. Putin can lean back a little and observe with grin the damage he has done to the empire.
For the rest he has no interest in provoking the US and Israel into a full scale war against Iran, just because that country couldn’t resist the temptation of operating near the Israeli border.
Putin by far the greatest statesman around in the beginning of the 21st century and FP doesn’t really oppose that view.
MASTERMIND on Sat, 26th May 2018 4:41 pm
Clogg
stop sucking Putins cock you dumb faggot..Its obvious you are some kind of closet homosexual..Look how much you idolize other men like Richard Spencer and Putin and Hitler.. Just another fruit look European..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 26th May 2018 4:44 pm
Lets look at Putin’s promises to the people of Russia throughout the last decade..
https://imgur.com/a/Mb9LOcC
Ouch..He is great at getting stupid peckerwood neckbeards to believe everything he says..While he lives in a castle and is the worlds richest man..
MASTERMIND on Sat, 26th May 2018 4:47 pm
When the oil crisis (shortage) hits..There will be no more sporting events and no more musical concerts..Live will be brutal..
https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 1:37 am
stop sucking Putins cock you dumb faggot..Its obvious you are some kind of closet homosexual..Look how much you idolize other men like Richard Spencer and Putin and Hitler.. Just another fruit look European..
The grapes must be sour for you, I understand that and now you are all angry and foaming at the lips.LOL Constantly being humiliated by Vlad the Great is no small beer and difficult to take. And there is more to come, much more! Now why are you taking all this shit, let yourself being humiliated all the time? Do something about it, go attack Iran! Or Korea, or both! Don’t be such a pussy. Everybody in the world now thinks your club is a push-over, which of course is the case, but that doesn’t mean you can afford the world to have knowledge about it. And besides, Europeans, Russians and Chinese all think we need to get some exercise. We need a little drama. So, hoppa, we in Eurasia are getting impatient, but for the history books we need you to begin, as we already need to think about Nuremberg-2.0 that will terminate the American Era.
https://www.amazon.com/End-American-Era-Geopolitics-Twenty-first-ebook/dp/B000XUDGTY/ref=sr_1_1
(Written by one of your tribe)
Throw money in the jukebox, press F16 and “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”. You can do it!
Theedrich on Sun, 27th May 2018 5:51 am
We have had two near-misses with nuclear war. The first one involved the nuke-armed Soviet submarine B-59 in the Caribbean during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 October 27, actually AFTER Kennedy and Kruschev had agreed to back away from it. The key person averting the catastrophe then was Soviet flotilla commander Vasíli Alexándrovich Arkhípov, who voted against launching the missiles. (At the moment, the sub was too deep to receive radio commands from Moscow, and Arkhípov successfully argued that, without the signal from HQ to fire, they should not do so.) The second was four decades later, on 1983 September 26, when a new Soviet distant warning system mistook an unusual meteorological constellation over North Dakota for an impending attack, and the instructions to unleash Soviet ICBMs in retaliation were unpredictably and disobediently countermanded by a Russian lieutenant colonel, Stanisláv Yevgráfovich Petróv.
Both of these near-misses happened only through dumb luck. Had any of a hundred different factors been different, we would not now be discussing this.
We are constantly told that there are all kind of fail-safe elements which will prevent “accidental” nuclear war. Yet twice in the last six decades we have come very close to ending the “greatest nation on earth” (let alone much of the rest of the world).
Current American military policy includes placing missiles close to Russia’s western borders, thereby threatening the very existence of the Russian fatherland (the literal translation of оте́чество). This is intolerable to Russia, however much U.S. propagandists want to demonize that nation and its leaders. Given the above-mentioned shaky and error-prone history of America’s playing with nuclear fire, one can only wonder just how much longer the “American Era” will continue in existence.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 5:52 am
“Throw money in the jukebox, press F16 and “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”. You can do it!”
War pig
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 6:18 am
“Throw money in the jukebox, press F16 and “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”. You can do it!”
War pig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
Slimy hypocrite.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 6:26 am
“War pig…Slimy hypocrite.”
It is truly sick when your political views include and want war so your extremism can be realized. This realization in your case slim ball is fantasy. A world war will play out in Europe too.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:17 am
“It is truly sick when your political views include and want war so your extremism can be realized.”
So true. The sooner the Empire ends, the better.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:23 am
IMA,
Most of your adversaries Davy, would prefer to see the Empire go out with a whimper, rather than a bang.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:23 am
Greg
You need to understand the mentality of the US conservatives.. Fighting wars to a US southerner is a religion all of it’s own. They deeply treasure all the mementos and memories of war. They endlessly bask in the lore and history of past wars and pine for new wars so that new glory and memories will be generated. They re-enact over and over again the bloody butchery of battles from the 1860s where over 700,000 soldiers died- largely from the diabolical effects of new artillery products. Like a religion, actually..
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:31 am
Almost half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by American immigrants or their children
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2017/12/04/almost-half-of-fortune-500-companies-were-founded-by-american-immigrants-or-their-children/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=metro
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:45 am
“Like a religion, actually..”
And like all religions, the ‘mentality’ requires indoctrination.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:46 am
Please greggie you are full of your same old shit as usual. We know you want war by the company you keep. You just talk with a silver tongue. Your real position is manifested by those you flank and prop up. This makes you one of the worst on the board because of the deception. You know war is a quick and effective way to end the status quo you hate hence your support for extremist.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:47 am
Greg
Yes..that is why they are so upset with the NFL players taking a knee..too bad the players didn’t make a nazi salute while doing it..then the right would have screamed ‘FREE SPEECH’..you snowflakes need a safe space..
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 10:50 am
Americans don’t want any more wars for a very long time..this is why they always use false flags..and I see a putin false flag coming soon here shortly..and dont’ forget, right before peak oil part one came..We got hit with the mother of all false flags in 911…now peak oil part two has arrived..So expect the grandmother of all false flags..All I know is Americans aren’t very scared of Russia/China/Iran..Scary what they might do to get everyone to fall back in line..
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:07 am
“All I know is Americans aren’t very scared of Russia/China/Iran.”
At the root of all indoctrination is fear MM, and Russia/China/Iran are merely the enemies du jour.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:09 am
Greg
The controlling force in society is not love, but fear..
-John Watson, Father of Behaviorism
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:16 am
“We know you want war by the company you keep.”
There is nothing that I would like to see more, than the brutal slaughtering of innocents come to an end, and you have absolutely no clue as to what company I keep.
More delusions. Go and talk with a mental healthcare professional, before you hurt yourself, or somebody else.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:24 am
“The controlling force in society is not love, but fear”
That’s because the psychopaths always manage to claw their way to the top.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
-Thomas Jefferson
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:27 am
By the tone of you comment I hit the mark. Sure you want an end to the killing of those subsistent 3rd worlders you ideally idolize and death to Americans just despise. This is just like the groupies you support. It is amazing how you have yourself fooled or is it just one of those duel personality lies you live.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:32 am
Davy,
Get help.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:36 am
Greg
What you need to understand is that humans, wolves, and chimps. Kill other members of their own kind all the time for various reasons..The only animals that kill for fun are cats and whales..My point is that we aren’t just killing people in other countries for no reasons..And you never consider the lives that are created in our country from endless wars..For example those soilders who go into battle get paid a living and usually support a family..So ever time some bomb drops and kill some Muslims, some solider can afford to put food on the table for his family back home..I am not saying that its fair or morally ethical..I am just saying that you fail to consider that there are many benefits to the US and their citizens for war.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 11:56 am
“I am just saying that you fail to consider that there are many benefits to the US and their citizens for war.”
I am fully aware of the MM, but still find mass murder completely unacceptable. YMMV.
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:08 pm
So ever time some bomb drops and kill some Muslims, some solider can afford to put food on the table for his family back home..I am not saying that its fair or morally ethical
Yes you do. Let’s kill a few muslims, so a Yank gets his paycheck, so his toddlers can go to MacDonalds. You could of course get your paycheck or income through different means, like an honest job; most jobs are honest. But Americans want empire, after all they are “exceptional”.lol and that is enough justification for most. They only protest if too many American body bags ome home. But bombing other countries is OK, even a source of fun.
But the tolerance level has been reached. Germany and France already refused to participate in the Iraq invasion in 2003 and meanwhile Europe, Russia and China are strong enough to block the US. And if the US wants escalation? Fine, you can have it. The whole world supported and still supports the Obama Iran deal. Don’t cross the line or you could find yourself in WW3, with Eurasia. First as a proxy war of the US against Iran. But if the casualties on US side mount, because of Russian and Chinese weapons, the latter two could become a target of US frustration. They will not roll over and die. Both Russia and China can take far heavier losses than the US army of mercenaries. Russia and China are real nations, the US a rag tag, incoherent collection of people from all over the globe.
If North-Korea can keep the US in a stalemate in the fifties, tiny North-Vietnam defeat the US in the seventies and Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria have shown that the US cannot complete a war of choice to victory, then the chances of the US against Russia-China are precisely 0.00% And if the US tries anyway, after 50,000 US deaths the country will begin to revolt and fall apart.
Bombing Iran? Go for it.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:16 pm
“Yes you do. Let’s kill a few muslims, so a Yank gets his paycheck”
Hypocrite, what about all the Eurotards getting their paychecks supply the war machine?
“Bombing Iran? Go for it.”
You want that so bad you can’t wait war pig.
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:20 pm
2 US war ships traverse South China Sea, China protests and sends planes:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/suedchinesisches-meer-china-nennt-seemanoever-der-usa-provokation-a-1209800.html
In line with milliminds thinking, the US should take down these Chinese planes. I mean, think of all the income it would generate for Americans, a real shooting war!
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:24 pm
“You want that so bad you can’t wait war pig.”
Projection again. My country doesn’t contemplate attacking Iran, your country does. You are the war pig. Always has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0608fb6bfa3b80b9e7d09feb3290af69-c
Unfortunately for the US MIC, the US has run out of small countries to attack.
Now what?
tick-tock
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:27 pm
“A Toxic Coup Narrative”: Why Italy’s Political Crisis May Be About To Explode”
https://tinyurl.com/y8uysgzu
“But the most worrying points are: toxic “coup” narrative developing; in the next days, if the crisis worsens, calls for a show of force, for now limited to a few ultras, will grow louder. Plus, Savona’s appointment means Lega is dead serious to face off the EU. Savona said in an interview that the EU economic model is a continuation of the 1936 Nazi “Funk plan”, whereby Germany would submit the economies of the rest of Europe to its whims, with the only difference that the EU does that via democratic means. Meanwhile, the oppositions are AWOL. In conclusion, this developing crisis could be over by next week, if – as I think will happen – Mattarella folds. But then Italy will have a sharply Eurocritical Finance Minister, with all that it entails in the short (market reaction) and long term (open conflict with the EU).”
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:28 pm
“Projection again. My country doesn’t contemplate attacking Iran, your country does. You are the war pig. Always has been.”
YOU, dummy, I am not talking nederland policy. This is you and your fantasy PBM Empire talk.
Cloggie on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:51 pm
““A Toxic Coup Narrative”: Why Italy’s Political Crisis May Be About To Explode””
May or may not. Zerohedge needs a sensational headline.
The goal is not the survival of the marxist EU, in fact the EU in its current shape seems to be dedicated to the demise of European man… no, the goal is a confederation with Russia in the mold of French conservative president and hard-core anti-Anglo Charles de Gaulle: “Europe of the Fatherlands”. With 640 million continentals and combined Russian and French nuclear intercontinental strike forces, it is obviously we can finally get rid of the US as overlord and halt the multicultural destruction of Europe once and for all.
I admit that the risk with Italy for European unity (which I highly value, the EU not so much) is enormous and their economic program insane. Nevertheless, they are strongly anti-immigrant and have announced to kick out 500,000 illegals, for starters. Way to go! And even more important, they want to sabotage the US imposed anti-Russia stance of the EU. Perfect! We no longer take orders from Washington, in a not too distant future you will take orders from us.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/908338/Berlusconi-Italy-election-2018-EU-army-Brussels-Berlusconi-nuevo-look
As I have said before, I don’t think the Italian soup will be eaten as hot as it is served, the current program is a sign of frustration from the side of the Italian government with its finances. The point is, nobody will finance these insane Italian spending plans and Italians can’t print euro’s themselves.
So either they will drop their plans (most likely outcome) or leave the euro and begin to tax the Italian population indirectly via printing massive amounts of lire, like in the old days.
I think that in the end of the day the Italians will shy away from abandoning the euro in order to return to their shabby lira. Italians are still relatively pro-EU and euro. Even the hard-core anti-Europeans, the British, only accomplished their Brexit with 48-52 (Brexit has yet to happen), continental Europe is very different.
European unity, in some form or another, is here to stay. But the risk during the transformation towards a Euro-Siberian confederation are considerable.
Interesting times.
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 12:57 pm
“YOU, dummy, I am not talking nederland policy. This is you and your fantasy PBM Empire talk.”
Cloggie doesn’t have the means to bomb Iran Davy, that would be TelAviv/ Riyadh/ Washington policy.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 1:16 pm
Greg
Society attacks early, when the individual is helpless..
-B.F. Skinner
GregT on Sun, 27th May 2018 1:25 pm
“Society attacks early, when the individual is helpless..”
Unacceptable. You either condone the behaviour or not. To not do so makes you complicit.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 27th May 2018 1:27 pm
Merkel beware, clogg is coming for ya!
https://i.imgur.com/JEv8P8b.jpg
And then they wonder why their race is dying..I mean what kind of lady would want to breed with one of these Nazis?
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:00 pm
“And even more important, they want to sabotage the US imposed anti-Russia stance of the EU. Perfect! We no longer take orders from Washington, in a not too distant future you will take orders from us.”
Lol, pretty clear neder doesn’t know Italians. Italians will be looking to American just like the British once the EU relationship sours. It may not sour completely but if it does you can be sure they will be looking elsewhere for friends. I know Italians pretty well being married to one and I can tell you there is not much anti-Americanism with most Italians. US policy is not admired but this policy is not admired by many Americans. Your ideas on Italy are just fantasy, neder.
“I think that in the end of the day the Italians will shy away from abandoning the euro in order to return to their shabby lira. Italians are still relatively pro-EU and euro”
Poor neder, the fate of his fantasy lay in the hands of the Italians. The Euro will never be the same if the Italians leave and the neder doesn’t realize the significance.
Boat on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:01 pm
greggiet
Your wrong, if you don’t like your governments policies you work and live life. Take care of those you treasure. Attend or support your sports teams. Protests are for the most part meaningless. Creating chaos in your home country, meaningless and expensive.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:04 pm
“Cloggie doesn’t have the means to bomb Iran Davy, that would be TelAviv/ Riyadh/ Washington policy.”
Dah, more dummy talk. Neder wants war that is my point grehggie just like you do. With you it is more hidden but the reality of it is seen when you give your groupies a back slapping. You are one of them and they are war pigs. You can play the flip flopping game of blaming nations when the spotlight is on you personally but my point is YOUR ATTITUDE IS WAR. Let’s keep the picture clear when talking and stop the double speak games you love to play.
Boat on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:05 pm
Mm
Germany has way to many people the way it is. Dropping the population 50% would be good bfor the world.
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:05 pm
“Unacceptable. You either condone the behaviour or not. To not do so makes you complicit.”
supporting war pigs makes you complicit.
Manila1 on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:29 pm
“The sooner the Empire ends, the better.” I second that motion, Greg. So do most of the other seven billion humans.
I don’t care how, just soon I hope. This year would be fine with me. A stock market crash would be a good beginning. Followed by $100+ oil. Or vice versa. Go for it America!
Boat on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:31 pm
Clog
What you meant to say is all those countries dependant on the China Sea should be paying all the expenses to protect their oil, gas, fishing and transportation rights. Like the EU, scream for help but don’t pay the bill.
Manila1 on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:32 pm
Davy is a huge enabler of terrorist America. Baby killer extraordinaire! Sucking up the plunder of 3rd world nations, unable to defend themselves. Until … the empire finally came up against the immovable wall(s), China and Russia. Xi and Putin. So be it!
onlooker on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:52 pm
“Creating chaos in your home country, meaningless and expensive”. Boat, a founding father once said people get the Govt, they deserve. So be it
Boat on Sun, 27th May 2018 2:59 pm
Onlooker
Black lives matter held a protest in Houston. About 50 blacks yelling at 50 rednecks who were proclaiming white lives mattered also. Lol A great day for democracy. You hit the streets, I’ll go to work.
Boat on Sun, 27th May 2018 3:02 pm
Onlooker
There were a large number of cops for that expression of freedom. You gonna write a check?
Davy on Sun, 27th May 2018 3:14 pm
Shut up 3rd world, I don’t support expansionist US policy and you know it. What I am talking about is a personal thing. You and the nedernazi lust for a big war. You are worse than the Nazi, you want a goofy 3:00am surprise NUK attack on the US. You could give a shit about your family. You are a disgusting old man. BTW, what is it heart attack or cancer as the reason you are back in the states?