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Paul Craig Roberts: Pushing Toward The Final War

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Does Obama realize that he is leading the US and its puppet states to war with Russia and China, or is Obama being manipulated into this disaster by his neoconservative speech writers and government officials? World War 1 (and World War 2) was the result of the ambitions and mistakes of a very small number of people. Only one head of state was actually involved–the President of France.

In The genesis Of The World War, Harry Elmer Barnes shows that World War 1 was the product of 4 or 5 people. Three stand out: Raymond Poincare`, President of France, Sergei Sazonov, Russian Foreign Minister, and Alexander Izvolski, Russian Ambassador to France. Poincare` wanted Alsace-Lorraine from Germany, and the Russians wanted Istanbul and the Bosphorus Strait, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. They realized that their ambitions required a general European war and worked to produce the desired war.

A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance. The war was started by Russia’s mobilization. The German Kaiser, Wilhelm II, was blamed for the war despite the fact that he did everything possible to avoid it.

Barnes’ book was published in 1926. His reward for confronting the corrupt court historians with the truth was to be accused of being paid by Germany to write his history. Eighty-six years later historian Christopher Clark in his book, The Sleepwalkers, comes to essentially the same conclusion as Barnes.

In the history I was taught the war was blamed on Germany for challenging British naval supremacy by building too many battleships. The court historians who gave us this tale helped to set up World War 2.

We are again on the road to World War. One hundred years ago the creation of a world war by a few had to be done under the cover of deception. Germany had to be caught off guard. The British had to be manipulated and, of course, people in all the countries involved had to be propagandized and brainwashed.

Today the drive to war is blatantly obvious. The lies are obvious, and the entire West is participating, both media and governments.

The American puppet, Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper, openly lied on Canadian TV that Russian President Putin had invaded Crimea, threatened Ukraine, and was restarting the Cold War. The host of the TV program sat and nodded his head in agreement with these bald-faced lies. http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Stephen+Harper+accuses+Vladimir+Putin+being+stuck+back+USSR/9663692/story.html

The script that Washington handed to its Canadian puppet has been handed to all of Washington’s puppets, and everywhere in the West the message is the same. “Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, Putin is determined to rebuild the Soviet Empire, Putin must be stopped.”

I hear from many Canadians who are outraged that their elected government represents Washington and not Canadians, but as bad as Harper is, Obama and Fox “News” are worse.

On March 26 I managed to catch a bit of Fox “news.” Murdoch’s propaganda organ was reporting that Putin was restoring the Soviet era practice of exercise. Fox “news” made this report into a threatening and dangerous gesture toward the West. Fox produced an “expert,” whose name I caught as Eric Steckelbeck or something like that. The “expert” declared that Putin was creating “the Hitler youth,” with a view toward rebuilding the Soviet empire.

The extraordinary transparent lie that Russia sent an army into Ukraine and annexed Crimea is now accepted as fact everywhere in the West, even among critics of US policy toward Russia.

Obama, whose government overthrew the democratically elected government in Ukraine and appointed a stooge government that has threatened the Russian provinces of Ukraine, falsely accuses Putin of “invading and annexing” Crimea.

Obama, or his handlers and programers, are relying on the total historical ignorance of Western peoples. The ignorance and gullibility of Western peoples allows the American neoconservatives to fashion “news” that controls their minds.

Obama recently declared that Washington’s destruction of Iraq–up to one million killed, four million displaced, infrastructure in ruins, sectarian violence exploding, a country in total ruins–is nowhere near as bad as Russia’s acceptance of Crimean self-determination. US Secretary of State John Kerry actually ordered Putin to prevent the referendum and stop Crimeans from exercising self-determination.

Obama’s speech on March 26 at the Palace of Fine Arts in Brussels is surreal. It is beyond hypocrisy. Obama says that Western ideals are challenged by self-determination in Crimea. Russia, Obama says, must be punished by the West for permitting Crimeans to exercise self-determination. The return of a Russian province on its own volition to its mother country where it existed for 200 years is presented by Obama as a dictatorial, anti-democratic act of tyranny. http://on.rt.com/sbzj4o

Here was Obama, whose government has just overthrown the elected, democratic government of Ukraine and substituted stooges chosen by Washington in the place of the elected government, speaking of the hallowed ideal that “people in nations can make their own decisions about their future.” That is exactly what Crimea did, and that is exactly what the US coup in Kiev contravened. In the twisted mind of Obama, self-determination consists of governments imposed by Washington.

Here was Obama, who has shredded the US Constitution, speaking of “individual rights and rule of law.” Where is this rule of law? It is certainly not in Kiev where an elected government was overthrown with force. It is certainly not in the United States where the executive branch has spent the entirety of the new 21st century establishing government above the law. Habeas corpus, due process, the right to open trials and determination of guilt by independent jurors prior to imprisonment and execution, the right to privacy have all been overturned by the Bush/Obama regimes. Torture is against US and international law; yet Washington set up torture prisons all over the globe.

How is it possible that the representative of the war criminal US government can stand before an European audience and speak of “rule of law,” “individual rights,” “human dignity,” “self-determination,” “freedom,” without the audience breaking out in laughter?

Washington is the government that invaded and destroyed Afghanistan and Iraq on the basis of lies. Washington is the government that financed and organized the overthrow of the Libyan and Honduran governments and that is currently attempting to do the same thing to Syria and Venezuela. Washington is the government that attacks with drones and bombs populations in the sovereign countries of Pakistan and Yemen. Washington is the government that has troops all over Africa. Washington is the government that has surrounded Russia, China, and Iran with military bases. It is this warmongering collection of Washington war criminals that now asserts that it is standing up for international ideals against Russia.

No one applauded Obama’s nonsensical speech. But for Europe to accept such blatant lies from a liar without protest empowers the momentum toward war that Washington is pushing.

Obama demands more NATO troops to be stationed in Eastern Europe to “contain Russia.” http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/obama-wants-more-nato-troops-in-eastern-europe/ Obama said that a buildup of military forces on Russia’s borders would reassure Poland and the Baltic states that, as NATO members, they will be protected from Russian aggression. This nonsense is voiced by Obama despite the fact that no one expects Russia to invade Poland or the Baltic countries.

Obama doesn’t say what effect the US/NATO military buildup and numerous war games on Russia’s border will have on Russia. Will the Russian government conclude that Russia is about to be attacked and strike first? The reckless carelessness of Obama is the way wars start.

Declaring that “freedom isn’t free,” Obama is putting pressure on Western Europe to pony up more money for a military buildup to confront Russia. http://news.antiwar.com/2014/03/26/us-presses-eu-nations-to-hike-military-spending-to-confront-russia/

The position of the government in Washington and its puppet states (Eastern and Western Europe, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Georgia, Japan) and other allies purchased with bagfuls of money is that Washington’s violation of international law by torturing people, by invading sovereign countries on totally false pretenses, by routinely overthrowing democratically elected governments that do not toe the Washington line is nothing but the “indispensable and exceptional country” bringing “freedom and democracy to the world.” But Russia’s acceptance of the self-determination of Crimean people to return to their home country is “a violation of international law.”

Just what international law has Washington and its puppets not violated?

Obama, whose government in the past few years has bullied Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Iran, Honduras, Ecuador, Bolivia, and Venezuela and is now trying to bully Russia, actually declared that “bigger nations can not simply bully smaller ones.” What does Obama and his speech writers think Washington has been doing for the entirety of the 21st century?

Who can possibly believe that Obama, whose government is responsible for the deaths of people every day in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria, cares a whit about democracy in Ukraine. Obama overthrew the Ukrainian government in order to be able to stuff the country into NATO, throw Russia out of its Black Sea naval base, and put US missile bases in Ukraine on Russia’s border. Obama is angry that his plan didn’t pan out as intended, and he is taking his anger and frustration out on Russia.

As the delusion takes hold in Washington that the US represents idealism standing firmly against Russian aggression, delusion enabled by the presstitute media, the UN General Assembly vote, and Washington’s string of puppet states, self-righteousness rises in Washington’s breast.

With rising self-righteousness will come more demands for punishing Russia, more demonization of Russia and Putin, more lies echoed by the presstitutes and puppets. Ukrainian violence against Russian residents is likely to intensify with the anti-Russian propaganda. Putin could be forced to send in Russian troops to defend Russians.

Why are people so blind that they do not see Obama driving the world to its final war?

Just as Obama dresses up his aggression toward Russia as idealism resisting selfish territorial ambitions, the English, French, and Americans presented their World War 1 “victory” as the triumph of idealism over German and Austrian imperialism and territorial ambitions. But at the Versailles Conference the Bolsheviks (the Tsar’s government failed to gain the Straits and instead lost the country to Lenin) “revealed the existence of the notorious Secret Treaties embodying as sordid a program of territorial pilfering as can be found in the history of diplomacy. It appears that the chief actual motives of the Entente in the World War were the seizure of Constantinople and the Straits for Russia; not only the return of Alsace-Lorraine to France, but the securing of the west bank of the Rhine, which would have involved the seizure of territory historically far longer connected with Germany than Alsace-Lorraine had ever been with France; the rewarding of Italian entry into the War by extensive territory grabbed away from Austria and the Jugo-Slavs; and the sequestering of the German imperial possessions, the acquisition of the German merchant marine and the destruction of the German navy in the interest of increasing the strength of the British Empire” (Barnes, pp. 691-692). The American share of the loot was seized German and Austrian investments in the US.

The secret British, Russian, and French aims of the war were hidden from the public, which was whipped up with fabricated propaganda to support a war whose outcomes were far different from the intentions of those who caused the war. People seem unable to learn from history. We are now witnessing the world again being led down the garden path by lies and propaganda, this time in behalf of American world hegemony.

Paul Craig Roberts



28 Comments on "Paul Craig Roberts: Pushing Toward The Final War"

  1. Plantagenet on Sat, 29th Mar 2014 9:45 pm 

    Paul Craig Roberts is a dope.

    Blaming the second world war on the President of France instead of Hitler makes as little sense as his attempt to blame the invasion of Ukraine on the US instead of on Putin.

  2. Boat on Sat, 29th Mar 2014 10:14 pm 

    Is peakoil run by RT?

  3. J-Gav on Sat, 29th Mar 2014 11:31 pm 

    No, Plants, Roberts is not a dope. He may be duped to a certain extent by his disappointment over developments since his admin positions in the Reagan govt, but he’s still worth listening to. He recently pointed out, for example, how important the Franco-Russian alliance was in making WWI inevitable (i.e. Poincaré wanted the Alsace-Lorraine region back from the Germans – lost in the short war of 1872, and the Russians wanted access through the Bosphorous to the Mediterranean). Agreed, however, the “Final War” title is over the top.

  4. rockman on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 12:18 am 

    I’m probably one of the more conservative characters here (a lying oil company bastard) on too of that. And I’m certainly no big fan of the current POTUS. But this was a rather painful read for me. What happened X decades ago doesn’t me crap. What’s happening today is what’s happening today. And the players are exactly who they are…today. Why not just stick with those facts and make what criticisms deemed reasonable?

  5. Northwest Resident on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 12:29 am 

    This article starts out with what I believe to be an absurd premise: that Obama is “leading the US and its puppet states to war with Russia and China.”

    The author introduces that premise as an undeniable and commonly accepted fact, when it is anything but.

    I realize that a lot of the audience that this author is targeting DO believe that false premise, and you can’t blame an author for giving his audience what they want.

    Just check around to some of the doomer sites — you’ll find plenty where the people commenting totally buy in to the belief that Obama is personally implementing his evil plans to embroil America in world war and destroy the country.

    From my pov, this article is just red meat for that audience, intended to draw traffic to web sites, generate clicks and sales, boost Roberts’ stature on the lecture circuit, etc…

    Roberts is just trying to make a buck off some schmucks. Cut him some slack.

  6. DC on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 12:39 am 

    Your a real piece of work you know that plant?

    -In this reality, the uS was and is, the prime mover of the Kiev coup.
    -Putin did not ‘invade’ Ukraine.No such event, or anything remotely resembling it, has occurred. Even by your rather loose standards, that one is a real howler.In fact, your comment is funny because it makes Mr Roberts point perfectly.

    PCR article is based on the well known axiom that those that ignore the lessons of history are bound to repeat them. Except of course, in the uS’s case, it not really a ‘mistake’, but rather a conscious desire to keep itself, and the world in a permanent state of war. Or at least the fear of it, if cant get an actual shooting war going somewhere. His larger point, was then, as now, the *true* instigators of wars and subversion, almost always ink back room deals that have little to do with what history, or in our case, the ‘media’ commonly records.

    The history of uS\uK machinations in both WWI and II, could be called the forgotten history of the 20th Century. Their shady deals, manipulations and actions are at seldom told or discussed. The ‘accepted’ version of history where Germany waged aggressive, unprovoked war against the peace-loving British\French and amerikan empires is much more appealing(and simplistic) than the largely unknown maneuvers of the ‘allied powers’. The white hat(uS\Uk hegemons) vs the black hats(evil mustachioed German dictators in funny hats)is the preferred narrative.

  7. bobinget on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 12:43 am 

    J-Gav: Mr Roberts is too a dope. So there.

    The entire premise of Robert’s tirade is false. We are no where near any kind of war with Russia (or France)-;

    This entire escapade, annexing Crimea, has been totally misunderstood by most analysts.
    I’ll comment because both WW’s One and Two were about Oil, a three letter word that appears not in PCR’s rant. These pages are alleged to concern themselves with that precious cargo, not biased, oversimplified,
    anti American, anti PRESIDENT Obama, twisted history.

    My opinion:

    V.Putin is determined to ‘hold’ Syria. He will do whatever it takes to do so. Russia and Iran after securing Syria will form the nucleus of a new oil collaboration between the states of Iran, Russia,
    Venezuela, Ecuador, Qatar, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, of course Syria itself.
    Saudi Arabia is becoming an absolute police state, thereby isolating itself from all but other Nuclear powers, Israel and USA.

    It’s too early to determine how Nigeria, the most populated African Oil State will fall. Will China or the US offer Military aid fighting off poverty and ignorance
    cancers like Boko Haram. If and when one terrorist group is defeated another will rise up unless underlying problems of lack of education, reliable electric power, corruption and religious harmony are better managed.

    V.Putin does have world domination ambition. Controlling world oil prices, using O&G supply as a political club, not occupying totally bankrupt Ukraine, he’s happy for the US to spend billions on that task getting absolutely zero return in exchange.

  8. Makati1 on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 1:30 am 

    No one here mentions that is the ‘banksters’ that caused both wars and most of the ‘police actions’ since. War is an extremely profitable activity and is not going to go away as long as there is a lot of money to be made. After all, the ones who profit are not the ones fighting and risking their live. They let the serfs do that.

    I personally see a world war before 2025. The US/UK is finally up against the two powers that can block their empire. Both have the ability to take the West back into the stone age. I don’t think they want that, but I see the West pushing them until someone makes the decision to push the button.

    Keep in mind that most of these people, who have the power, are insane. Also, most are over 60 and many are over 70 and 80 years old and have nothing else to live for than more, more, more. They play with countries like chess pieces.

    I guess this will draw a lot of flack from those who disagree, but so be it. Only time will see who is correct.

  9. Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 1:31 am 

    When I read PCR’s rant then some of the responses in support I feel the words of C.S. Lewis in his short book Screwtape Letters. Here is an excerpt from the Preface:
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment.

  10. GregT on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 6:52 am 

    “No one here mentions that is the ‘banksters’ that caused both wars and most of the ‘police actions’ since. War is an extremely profitable activity and is not going to go away as long as there is a lot of money to be made. After all, the ones who profit are not the ones fighting and risking their live. They let the serfs do that.”

    While everyone else on both sides, argues over who their enemy is, the real enemy continues to win. Most people worldwide only want to live their lives in peace. It is the banksters that have created the ‘axis of evil’, the evil dictators, the regimes, the gooks, the whatever evil flavour de jour that the masses believe. The Russians, Iranians, Americans, Chinese, and yes, even the North Koreans, have no vested interest in war, other than the propaganda instilled in them from TPTB.

    No one ever ‘wins’ in wars, except for those that finance the wars, and they really don’t give a sh!t about how many people are killed. It is all about the money, the people are irrelevant.

  11. J-Gav on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 9:24 am 

    You could be right Makati. In any case, the ones really pulling the strings today are not the politicians – they’re just clowns who should be wearing big red noses. General Smedley Butler got it right in his book: “War is a Racket.”

  12. Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 11:43 am 

    Makati – said I personally see a world war before 2025. The US/UK is finally up against the two powers that can block their empire. Both have the ability to take the West back into the stone age. I don’t think they want that, but I see the West pushing them until someone makes the decision to push the button.

    What I don’t understand about you Makati is your failure to see cause and effect. I believe that is a law of thermodynamics. You always mention how your poster girls Russia and China will put the west back in the Stone Age. You often mention how your poster girls will be forced to unleash their Nuk arsenal on the west and lay waste to the horrible Americans. You fail to understand economic suicide. You fail to understand mutually assured destruction accompanied with irradiation and Nuk winters. Your poster girls are basket cases. One a banana republic in social decline. The other a country severely affected by population overshoot and well beyond its carrying capacity suffering severe pollution and ecosystem destruction. Its economy is in a debt unwind and is near post growth that is necessary for social stability. The wealth inequality in China is among the worst on earth. Their driving towards a large middle class will sink the world by making global overshoot our suicide

  13. Arthur on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 1:23 pm 

    Read this article yesterday on Infowars on a sunny terrace in a small town in the south of the Netherlands and I already knew this article would cost me two hours of writing a comment on this board about it, despite having a Sunday with again 22 degrees Celcius temperature and I was not disappointed.

    To save myself a lot of typing, I refer to posts #10/#18 in this thread…

    http://peakoil.com/consumption/kunstler-unpaving-our-way-to-the-future

    …where I ventilated ‘my’ opinions about WW1.

    It is illustrative/hilarious to see how most Americans/British of the ‘don’t rock the boat’ / ‘guardians of the status quo’ variety on this forum react to the opinions of unguided missile PCR: nothing of substance, just sneers: ‘PCR is a dope’, ‘is this RT?’ or ‘What happened X decades ago doesn’t me crap’, knowing full well that this article will provoke unwanted reactions from ‘America-hating European Natzis’, Canadians, me and other inconveniences in the lives of well-meaning Americans, a correct assessment.

    PCR is relevant, because he is a former Washington insider, a decent American conservative in high office, ‘under’ ’Dutch’/’the Gipper’ and former actor starring in movies like ‘Bedtime for Bonzo’, Ronald Reagan, in a the time when ‘these people’ began to occupy the American right as well (neocons), after they already had taken over the left under Wilson & Roosevelt.

    PCR’s attitude is: “I am old, I will die soon, so I do not give a d*** and I am going to say what I think”. A bit like the attitude the former Italian president Cossiga had, who decided to spill the beans over 9/11 (CIA-Mossad operation), after he learned he had terminal cancer.

    First dealing with PCR’s WW1 revisionism. For starters, he is much closer to the truth than Kunstler, referred to in the link above. But he stills portrays it too much as a French-Russian co-production, where in reality it were the British who were the real masterminds of WW1, see my posts in the link above.

    A Franco-Russian Alliance was formed. This alliance became the vehicle for orchestrating the war. The British government, thanks to the incompetence, stupidity, or whatever of its Foreign Minister, Sir Edward Grey, was pulled into the Franco-Russian Alliance.

    PCR has the timing and alliance structure wrong and ‘stupidity’ and ‘incompetence’ had absolutely nothing to do with what really happened, in reality it was a brilliant but immoral trap set for Germany. The more complete picture:

    1871 – Bismarck achieves German unity, foolishly announced in Versailles. The German super power was born and in 20 years time it had eclipsed the British and French on world markets, who were understandably not amused, to put it mildly
    1898 – Fashoda incident. Last time French and British interests clashed while they were busy carving up Africa, leading almost to war, but then these two decided that there was a common threat: Germany
    1904 – Entente Cordiale between France and Britain (still officially exists, was celebrated in 2004). Exclusively aimed at Germany
    1907 – Russia joins Entente as the last party, the encircling of Germany is complete. Now the waiting began for the right occasion and that occasion came in 1914-Sarajewo. Alliance loot incentives, as PCR correctly identifies, were: Russia-Bosporus, France-Elsass-Lotharingen, Britain-supremacy in Europe back.

    The German Kaiser wrote in his diary, days before the war began:

    For I no longer have any doubt that England, Russia and France have agreed among themselves – knowing that our treaty obligations compel us to support Austria – to use the Austro-Serb conflict as a pretext for waging a war of annihilation against us…

    …and that was the truth, you won’t learn at school, because the allies won WW1/WW2. ‘Sleepwalking into war’ has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Recently I visited the Dutch railway museum in Utrecht:
    tinyurl . com/q3jug5p

    There you can see the unfolding European drama hundred years after the fact: before 1871, all the locomotives in Holland came from Manchester-England, after 1871 all from Berlin-Germany.

    PCR uses the revised version of WW1 to illustrate what is happening today, leaving WW2 alone, because he still thinks that WW2 from an American perspective was the good war, just like the rest of the crypto-Euro-American opposition against the ‘globalists’, neocons, ‘Straussians’ or Jews for short, think it is. The Alex Jones types are falsely accusing the ‘folks in Washington’ of being ‘Nazis’, ‘storm troopers’ and what not, where in reality the Putins, PCR’s and Alex Jones’ of this world are on the same side as the Germans were in 1933. The difference is that the Germans (and Putin) were smarter, where the American opposition is still departing from notions their enemies have planted in their heads via edumecation and media.

    Today the drive to war is blatantly obvious.

    The Americans here don’t accept this as truth, but it is. The Zio…, errr neocons, will bravely fight until the last American, and why shouldn’t they, as long as you let them use you and/or your children as pawns on the global geopolitical chessboard to do the fighting and dying. Remember Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan? We non-Americans do, so good luck with Russia and China. The average American has no enemies… not the Europeans, not the Russians, not the Chinese, only the crowd in Washington, lording over you, using you for their power games.

    Washington does not care one bit about the Crimea, like it did not care about Poland, that after the war was gladly handed over to the loving care of Stalin. Poland was the useful idiot to get the desired WW2 started against Germany, just like Washington attempts to use Ukraine as the useful idiot to get a major conflict started with Russia. Germany invaded Poland, not to conquer it, but to come to the aid of the Germans that were forced to live in Versailles Poland and were threatened and persecuted as a consequence of the escalating conflict of the German town of Danzig. Likewise, Putin came to the aid of the Russians in Crimea, as he will come to the aid of the Russians in Eastern and Southern Ukraine to protect them against ultra-nationalist hotheads. Washington knows this and does everything to beat the war drums against Russia.

    Greg: While everyone else on both sides, argues over who their enemy is, the real enemy continues to win.

    The rise of Putin, the rise of the internet, the rise of China, Lehman-crash, Iraq and Syria contradict that notion.

    J-Gav: Agreed, however, the “Final War” title is over the top.

    Not at all. The goal of WW2 was the destruction of continental Europe by the Zionist run powers USA and USSR. The goal of WW3 is the creation of a Zionist run world. The war that indeed should end all wars. The Final War, indeed.

    What happened X decades ago doesn’t me crap. What’s happening today is what’s happening today. And the players are exactly who they are…today. Why not just stick with those facts and make what criticisms deemed reasonable?

    You need to understand history in order to understand what is happening today.

    Roberts is just trying to make a buck off some schmucks.

    Total BS. PCR has enough money, old people don’t care about money.

    Bobinget: The entire premise of Robert’s tirade is false. We are no where near any kind of war with Russia

    NATO is strengthening presence at the border with Russia, in order to ‘contain’ Russia.

    I’ll comment because both WW’s One and Two were about Oil

    Oil is an important strategic commodity indeed, but the real goal is always geopolitical. Rising in the pecking order at the expense of others.

    WW1 was a purely European internal affair at the start. Britain was top dog in the entire 19th century but Germany had taken over that position by the end of that century. Britain organized a coalition to ‘do something about it’ but the war was decided by organized beep.

    WW2 was largely a war of organized beep (using US, UK and USSR proxies) against continental Europe as a whole.

    WW3 will be a conflict of organized beep (using US and luck-warm European allies) against the remainders of those not yet ‘integrated’ into the desired world empire: Russia, China, Iran, Muslim world, European nationalists, American constitutionalists. I think the former are going to fail, but there will be a lot of drama in between, like Cuban missile crisis sort of events, Israelis on the verge of pushing the button against a re-nationalized Europe, Alex Jones types storming Washington, etc., etc. This is probably going to be the least boring episode of world history.

  14. Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 2:11 pm 

    WW3 will be a conflict of organized beep (using US and luck-warm European allies) against the remainders of those not yet ‘integrated’ into the desired world empire: Russia, China, Iran, Muslim world, European nationalists, American constitutionalists. I think the former are going to fail, but there will be a lot of drama in between, like Cuban missile crisis sort of events, Israelis on the verge of pushing the button against a re-nationalized Europe, Alex Jones types storming Washington, etc., etc. This is probably going to be the least boring episode of world history.

  15. Davy, Hermann, MO on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 2:12 pm 

    ARTHUR SAID – WW3 will be a conflict of organized beep (using US and luck-warm European allies) against the remainders of those not yet ‘integrated’ into the desired world empire: Russia, China, Iran, Muslim world, European nationalists, American constitutionalists. I think the former are going to fail, but there will be a lot of drama in between, like Cuban missile crisis sort of events, Israelis on the verge of pushing the button against a re-nationalized Europe, Alex Jones types storming Washington, etc., etc. This is probably going to be the least boring episode of world history.

    Arthur you are full of entertainment. Your justification for this guy is dubious. Who cares if he was an conservative American insider? If his brain functions are bent on being a propagandist in an ideological bend he is obviously bent not on the truth but on an agenda. Sensationalism is as bad in your rendition of history as it is on CNN. Come on Arthur your dramatics are not reality. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy. You did not live in those times and had no experience with those complex and nonlinear life forces then. I am amazed at you and others that put your poster girls Russia and China on a pedestal of greatness and power. One is a banana republic in decline and the other an economy and society in a debt unwind in serious and dangerous growth decline. Both these poster girls’ military spending could fit in the US/EU spending 20 times. I further find it humorous that you decouple these poster girls from the effect of a WW3 which is the quick and decisive end of modern industrial man and his complex global interconnected society and economy. Your prediction may happen but it will be the end of many of us everywhere. I guarantee a country like China in population overshoot especially to its carrying capacity is most at risk of conflict. One must consider Russia’s situation and where they will get all the products and money they need for their society when there are few markets for their natural resources in a collapsed world. You are writing fiction and it is entertaining and enjoyable. But is it relevant? Yea maybe it is because it speaks to the one thing beyond the energy and limits of growth predicament and that is our global suicide. Maybe we must acknowledge that species suicide is where we are heading because of a brain that is at an evolutionary dead end.

  16. Arthur on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 3:17 pm 

    More PCR on the Ukraine:

    http://www.infowars.com/western-looting-of-ukraine-has-begun/

    Today Lavrov has proposed to Kerry that the Ukraine should be ‘block-free’, as in no NATO and that the country should have a federal structure like Switzerland, with guaranteed rights for all ethnic groups involved. Sounds reasonable to me and is clearly intended to defuse the situation.

    Davy, Russia/China are NO ‘poster childs’ to me. I am firmly committed to European civilization, but I don’t like it to see my civilization hijacked by imperialists putting said civilization at great risk of becoming involved in thermo-nuclear war. The west should NOT be involved in attempts to overthrow other governments, be it in Chili, Libya, Syria, Ukraine or Russia.

  17. Carl on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 4:33 pm 

    The entire premise of this article is faulty. Far too much to comment on point by point, but I agree that this article looks like something written for a Russian audience to justify its invasion of the Ukraine.

    The sloppy use of historical incidents out of context combined with the utter failure to recognize that Russia has indeed invaded another sovereign country suggests either willful blindness or an ulterior motive

  18. Boat on Sun, 30th Mar 2014 5:42 pm 

    Arther
    The average American has no enemies… not the Europeans, not the Russians, not the Chinese, only the crowd in Washington, lording over you, using you for their power games.

    As humans we all have our prejudices but for the most part i would agree with 80% of this view.

    However what i would say is 100% of all governments pretty much have a very small percentage of humans lording over the masses. I just has to be that way.

    There have been many wars and rumors of wars since the US man came on the scene but to think Zionism has anything to do with it is laughable. It might be on our radar screen of the average American but maybe on the very edge of the screen.

    The power of a government is inherently unpopular because it will never represent the views of any one person. I for one wasn’t happy about the war in Iraq. The war in Afghanistan was stupid also. However no fly zones would have been acceptable. Like now in Crimea, Ukraine and Russia. I don’t mind the idea of projecting power against my version of idiot’s like Putin or Kim Jong Un. Peaceful world trade has to be the goal of all countries or opt out or be controlled. Don’t stand in the way.

  19. rollin on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 12:54 am 

    Nineteenth century thinking applied to twenty-first century problems. Not going to work.

  20. Makati1 on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 2:46 am 

    @Carl, Russia did NOT invade the Ukraine or Crimea. If you are relying on US MSM to get your info, you swallowed the cool aid and never asked questions.

    @Boat, the US is supposed to be a democracy and the government is the will of the people. That the people allow things like Iraq to happen means they agree with the action. The US has reached the ‘bread and circus’ period of decline, and it will be fast from this point on.

  21. andya on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 3:46 am 

    “Paul Craig Roberts is a dope.

    Blaming the second world war on the President of France instead of Hitler makes as little sense as his attempt to blame the invasion of Ukraine on the US instead of on Putin.”
    LOL learn to read, or else you will be the dope. PCR was talking about WWI, didn’t involve Hitler. Funny comment in hindsight though eh Plant agent.
    The fact that most people can’t read is clearly expressed in the comments here. The military has been let down by the leaders and voting public. They will die, because people are stupid. Unable to think, unable to reason, unable to have a logical argument and unable to see any other point of view but their own. The west is pushing Putin into an untenable position, offering divisive binary trade deals to countries traditionally under Russian influence, Moldova and transinistria are next. Ukrainians (the public) had a much better deal aligned with Russia, low interest loans, cheap gas and pensions. Now from the IMF pensions are getting cut by 60% and all energy prices are set to triple. All because of a rebel led coup representing an tiny faction of the public, but had the advantage of US backing.

  22. Boat on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 5:03 am 

    Makati1
    The US rejected the war in Iraq when the WOMD were found to be a lie. Because of GW we now have a black president that the US and the world didn’t think was possible. I can see your position because you probably dont care which party is in power or who was responsible. As an American we keep track of these things. For example I don’t blame the Russian people for putin sending troops into Crimea. A new leader and we would wipe the slate clean maybe. Russia needs to understand they have no power except mutually assured destruction. Then again Pakistan has the power of mutually assured destruction along with many other countries.

  23. Arthur on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 9:11 am 

    The US rejected the war in Iraq when the WOMD were found to be a lie.

    Lol. The entire US elite knew that the WMD story was a lie; they created the lie themselves to invade the country in the first place in order to turn it into another oil-rich US colony a la KSA.

    The US in the end left the country because they were cornered in the Green Zone, almost like they were cornered in Saigon.

    Don’t believe me, believe one of the arch-Ueberneocons and architects of the Iraq invasion, Edward give war a chance Luttwak:

    http://www.european-journal.org/2010/05/14/did-the-us-occupy-iraq/

    A basic fact has to be established before any discussion about the Iraqi issue. And that is that the Americans defeated Saddam Hussein, but they did not really occupy Iraq. There is no. American and coalition forces have criss crossed Mesopotamia in all possible directions, but at no time did they hold more than a fraction of the territory of Iraq, and they do not hold any at present, except for parts of a few cities and some isolated bases. But that’s all. In most of Iraq there is no permanent control by western forces; and there cannot be. The total number of US troops that we have sent to fight this war is clearly insufficient, indeed it is ridiculously small for the task of occupying such a large country.

  24. Arthur on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 9:25 am 

    Meanwhile, Russian nationalists are lining up before the US embassy to thank the US for paying $5 billion for giving the Crimea back to Russia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi1HKJei8Q4

    The poor Americans don’t know how to look when a Russian beauty gives them a traditional Russian luxury loaf of bread (‘Karavai’).

    Wonder if Vicky has already seen the video.

  25. Stephen on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 9:54 am 

    I think that Russia will be a hard fight for any nation. One they are a car with a lot of remaining resources (I am not denying that they may be past-peak but they certainly have more than most), and if WW3 were to break out, they will use this to their advantage. Plus, they are a nuclear country. Many other oil rich countries have more resources.

    But one must ask the question, can the elite 1% be the only survivors in WW3? I don’t think so. After all, the lower 99% outnumber them big time.

    What I see is more likely is that when resources become scarce, countries stop exporting resources and this alone will be enough “cold warfare” to cause a crisis (perhaps somewhat of a die-off). Even this will cripple war power as well, as it takes lots of fuel to run tanks, planes, etc as well as a lot of industrial infastructure to keep the military running. Yes, some attacks may happen but very quickly they will realize the EROEI of war is not high, and war is not sustainable. People may think it is better to keep the farm tractors running and food supplies working and have somewhat of a decent peaceful life than using energy to make bullets, weapons, fighter planes, and bombs for example.

    As to the financial industry collapsing, I see that very likely due to reduced or no economic growth for long periods of time (if not permanently). I think society may have to live with the fact that some debts will not be repaid, and the fact that it may be far better to repeal rules that mandate repossessing property to satisfy debts than keep kicking people out into the streets every time there is a recession.

  26. Boat on Mon, 31st Mar 2014 3:23 pm 

    Arthur
    Where do come up with this stuff.

    The US in the end left the country because they were cornered in the Green Zone, almost like they were cornered in Saigon.

    The US left Vietnam and Iraq because the public didn’t support the policies. Just like we are leaving Afghanistan because of public sentiment. It has nothing to do with military power. American politicians can play the public and get away for it for a short time but don’t sell the resolve of the public short if we think there is a just cause to fight for or as facts come out we take away the choices of our leaders for a percieved unjust cause.

  27. PrestonSturges on Tue, 1st Apr 2014 3:37 pm 

    >Arthur
    >Where do come up with this stuff.

    Holocaust denial sites is where he gets this stuff.

  28. PrestonSturges on Tue, 1st Apr 2014 3:38 pm 

    And whenever you hear these strange alternate histories of WW2, it usually involves Holocaust denial at some point.

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