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Kunstler: What Now?

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Contact with Russians.” Grown men and women, doubling and re-doubling down on a political fantasy, repeat this prayer hour after hour on the cable channels and Web waves as if trying to exorcise a nation possessed by the unholy hosts of Hell. But such vicars of the news as Wolf Blitzer, Rachel Maddow, Chuck Todd, and Dean Baquet (of The New York Times) only shove the country closer to a cliff of constitutional crisis.

To a certain class of people — a class that includes a lot of Intellectuals-Yet-Idiots, as Nassim Taleb has dubbed them — President Donald Trump is a figure of supernatural malignity who must be ousted at all costs. I did not vote for Donald Trump and I do not admire him; but I rather resent the dishonesty that is being marshaled against him, especially the mis-use of judicial procedure and the mendacious propagandizing of the nation in service to that end.

This is what it comes down to: General Mike Flynn, designated National Security Advisor, conferred with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak after the 2016 election about two pressing matters: a vote in the UN orchestrated against Israel, and sanctions imposed against Russia by outgoing President Obama on December 28, two weeks before the inauguration. Both these matters could be viewed as bits of mischief designed deliberately to create foreign policy problems for the incoming administration.

Flynn’s discussions with Ambassador Kislyak amounted to what are called “back channel talks.” These informal, probing communications occur all the time and everywhere in American foreign policy, especially the transitional months every four or eight years when a new president comes in. They are necessarily secret because they concern issues of high sensitivity. Every incoming presidential staff in my lifetime (going back to Dwight Eisenhower) has conducted back-channel talks with foreign diplomats in order to directly assess where things stand, minus public posturing and bloviating.

And so that is what Mike Flynn did, as incoming National Security Advisor, after an eight-year run of worsening relations with Russia under Obama that Trump publicly pledged to improve. And now he’s been charged with lying to the FBI about it. Which raises some enormous and troubling questions well beyond the simple charge, questions that suggest a US government at war against itself.

For instance, why exactly might Mike Flynn lie about his discussions with Kislyak? That ought to be self-evident as per what I said above: back channel talks are necessarily secret. But why not let Vice-president Pence or the FBI in on it? As for Pence, not all government officials are in-the-loop for back channel talks for the excellent reason that the fewer people involved the less chance of the talks becoming un-secret.

And the FBI? Why, in December of 2016, might Trump and his aides consider the FBI to be an unreliable agency? Because they knew that officials in the FBI under Director James Comey had politicized the agency in favor of his opponent in the election; that the agency had misbehaved in the Clinton e-mail investigation, the meeting at the Phoenix airport between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and the Christopher Steele Russian intel file affair. We don’t know whether, at that point, Trump and his staff knew about the FBI’s conduct in the Uranium One deal. But there was plenty of evidence that the permanent bureaucracy of Washington wanted to use a politicized FBI against Trump in any way that it could to get rid of him.

And over the weekend, news comes out that Peter Strzok, the top FBI official assigned to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of collusion between Russia and Trump officials, had been removed from the probe after exchanging anti-Trump and pro-Hillary Clinton text messages with his mistress, who was an FBI lawyer working for Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. This information was concealed from the congressional oversight committee that had formally subpoenaed emails from the FBI all year long, only to be stonewalled by the agency. So, now the committee is threatening contempt citations against the current FBI Director, Christopher Fry and Rod Rosenstein, his deputy

Why should President Trump not fire Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller now? Mueller was James Comey’s mentor at the FBI when Mueller was director. Is there not a train of association and dishonesty that implicates criminal activity by the FBI itself. And if and when Trump does this, and pardons Mike Flynn for the non-crime of back channel negotiation, should a new special prosecutor be appointed by the Attorney General to investigate the activities of the FBI through 2016 and 2017? And after all that, will the Deep State find some other way to go apeshit?

Keep your hats on for this.

Kunstler



197 Comments on "Kunstler: What Now?"

  1. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 4:52 am 

    “Too late to get help now delusionalist, you are way too far gone. Paranoia has obviously set in.”
    I am glad behavior modification is still working with you. Sometimes mental cases are almost completely delusional. Being a clown and making threats of the physical nature on the internet to someone your really don’t know is poor behavior. I have known you 5 years now and you are a shell of the man you once were.

  2. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:02 am 

    “What’s with your fixation on China? Do you live there? Perhaps it might be better to pay more attention to what’s going on at home. No?”

    Some people have a real understanding of the world and they see the interconnectedness of the global economy these days. They see China as the primary credit driver and supporter of commodity demand so important to the developing and developed world alike. These people do not live in a deadly serious passion of emotional agendas that disregard the actual facts and instead cherry pick facts to support their distorted world view.

    The US and Europe as well as the rest of the developing world will not survive in tact if China has a Minsky moment. In this respect it is of the highest importance to see what is happening in China mainly economically and with its multiple bubbles. The US and Europe have their own problems but they are the usual debt and unfunded liability problems that are slowly festering. All stock and equity markets in the world are elevated beyond reason. Yet, nowhere and in no time in history has so much credit and demand been created than in China. This makes China front and center for collapse.

  3. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:05 am 

    “Your Sinophobic brainwashing has been a success. The diploma should be in the mail. Oh, that’s right, you cannot read. Too bad. LMAO”

    Mad kat, is there any problems in China? I would like to see you answer that question honestly. You can’t and all you can do is show the problems in the US. You see these articles on Zero Hedge daily where you get most of your news. Your problem is you skip over any news that does not fit your agenda. Sad

  4. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:16 am 

    “1. I do not hate Mormons. If I were to believe in a god, I would still be active in their church. It is a more logical religion than any other I know of.”
    Mad kat, you hate Americans and any religion. You have zero respect for humans and their religions. You fail to see that religion is community and community is what is going to save many people for the worst of what is coming. This is why what is coming for you is so horrible. You have boxed yourself into a corner of a lonely existence.

    2. I do not hate the US. I hate what it has become and that it is supported in its murderous plundering by its greedy citizens. The sooner it is leveled, the better for the rest of the world. THAT I do cheer on.
    LIAR

    “3. Don’t pretend to be some kind of shrink analyst. You make yourself seem even more delusional than usual. Your fantasy concoctions of others lives is pathetic as are you. You are so jealous of other’s freedom and success that it warps your mind.”
    Sure, mad kat, you are always speaking about other’s lives. This is just more lies. You are always following your boyfriends lead and stalking and pricking Americans.

    “4.My family and I are as close as any family, just not living together since they all got married and moved into their own lives. Your lack of understanding of family relations points to the possibility that you have none. Hint: Disney is not a good source for reality.”
    Mad kat, I find it hilarious if you are close to your family why are you fantasizing about their horrible deaths with your daily rants of the destruction of the US in all manner of ways. You love Hurricanes, fires, and earthquakes. These things make you premature ejaculate in a horrible hate lust. You are a weird cookie living this idea you can care about your family and then playfully talk about their deaths. SICK

    “5. You really do need help Davy. Get it before the whole system there collapse’ and not even drugs are available to ease the pain.”
    You sound like widdle grehg who is obviously sick. I have his sickness documented and I modified his threat behavior. He is your best friend and that says volumes about you.

    BTW, dementia man I thought you were ingoring me. LMFAO back to the most commented on list.

  5. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:18 am 

    “America is now ruined and populated by incompatible tribes that want to go at each others throat.”
    Sure dutchy then why are we up near the top in so many indicators. Why are we still protecting your lazy asses. In your fantasy world this may be true.

  6. Makati1 on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:19 am 

    More signs of the Great Leveling of the American people to 3rd world serfdom.

    “What we are witnessing is the complete looting of America and the entirety of the West. While the Western World collapses, the insouciant, submissive people sit there sucking their thumbs while they are being ruined.”

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/04/plunder-capitalism/

    Sucking their thumbs? No, they are denying that there is anything wrong with their country while it is being flushed down the capitalist drain.

  7. Makati1 on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:23 am 

    Davy, YOu are the one living in the fantasy world. But then delusional people never see that fact. You cannot back up any of your claims with real refs so maybe it’s time YOU shut up? After all, you are the laughing stock of this forum, but refuse to hear the laughter.

    The 8 year old with his fingers in his ears going “LA LA LS LA! I can’t hear you!”.

  8. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:23 am 

    “Age is not what it used to be. I’m 73 and. if I don’t look in the mirror, I feel like I did at 50. I look forward to being here when the SHTF and the whole shebang ends.”
    LOL, I bet it looks bad when you look in the mirror. That is where reality hits you every morning until you look away. You spend your days in a small condo in the westernized part of Makati, Manila spewing the vomit of hate lust. You must be pale and gaunt. You fantasize about living to 100 but it is likely with no health insurance and being 75 you will be lucky to make it another 10 years.

  9. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:27 am 

    “Otherwise, as per usual, you are spot on.”
    DADDY issues

    “Some clarification is obviously in order. ”
    Like you are the one to clarify. LOL

    “In regards to geopolitics and history, you have done your homework.”
    “You are absolutely correct Makati, on all counts, but do not expect the usual attacks from the dumbed down masses to end any time soon.”
    Wow, that is as close as it geets to a wet kiss digitally. You two really need to get a hotel room. ^<^ LMFAO

  10. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:32 am 

    “maybe it’s time YOU shut up?”

    What’s da matter mad kat, you are whining and gnashing your teeth because your regurgitate has been moderated and neutered. I thought I was on the ignore list. What happened?

  11. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:41 am 

    “YouTube Hires 10,000 Staff To Weed Out ‘Extremist’ Content”
    https://tinyurl.com/y7x6t7tp

    UT O, dutchy, it is going to be harder to support your revisions that paint your fantasy future. I imagine you have hundreds of YouTube on your extremist WordPress that might be deleted. LMFAO

  12. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:47 am 

    “New Rumblings In The Horn Of Africa Over Ethiopia’s Grand Renaissance Dam”
    https://tinyurl.com/y9xsfdnf

    “Egypt knows that it will forever remain dependent on Ethiopia in the event that the project is completed, which would in turn place the world’s most populous Arab state and the GCC’s top non-Gulf ally under the influence of Qatar’s allies in Addis Ababa, something which is unacceptable for both President Sisi and his monarchic sponsors so long as Doha is perceived as supporting the Muslim Brotherhood that threatens them all. Short of any formal state-to-state conflict, Egypt and the UAE could use Eritrea as a launching pad for organizing anti-government destabilization efforts against Ethiopia, something that Cairo is already suspected of doing when it comes to Addis Ababa’s concerns that they’ve been manipulating the country’s centrally positioned and most populous plurality of the Oromo to that end. Should proxy warfare operations heat up in the Horn of Africa, then the implications could be geopolitically profound because they could endanger China’s Silk Road railway through Djibouti to the Ethiopian capital, which could in turn offset the spread of multipolarity to this strategic region. Amidst all of this, Sudan’s crucial position between the two most directly competing parties will become all the more important as a “balancing” force, but it will more than likely take China’s discrete Great Power diplomatic involvement to alleviate interstate tensions just like it decisively did between Bangladesh and Myanmar last week.”

  13. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 6:01 am 

    2018 looks to be the “ominous” year the global economy slows down and enters the dangerous territory of deflation/inflation of the stagflation of debt realization. The deflation is the realization of bad debt and the inflation will occur as the global authorities struggle to react to a cascade of economic failures. The important point is real growth that is physical and productive will be affected adversely and actually while the digital and abstract of markets and financial flows between countries becomes dysfunctional. This is setting up since the end of the coronation of Xi at the party’s party. The US is locked in a deep state civil war with a looming hot war with NK. Europe is foundering in debt mismanagement with the usual Euro Band-Aids. The rest of the world is a tail being wagged. If you are trying to get something done these days get it done and be particularly cautious about doing anything in 2018.

    “China’s Infrastructure Boom Heading For Rapid Slowdown In 2018”
    https://tinyurl.com/yb8ty3tm

    “The crackdown on local government debt, a key source of infrastructure financing, will have a knock-on effect on Chinese GDP growth. A difficulty for China’s central planners is that the infrastructure share of Chinese fixed asset investment has been on a rising trend, surpassing 20% during 2017 versus just over 15% in early 2014. While we’ve been expecting China’s infrastructure spend to slow next year, we are surprised by the rate of slowdown estimated by Bloomberg, which surveyed a large number of forecasters. China’s frenzied construction of roads, bridges and subways is set for a major slowdown, adding a headwind to economic growth in 2018. The nation’s fixed-asset investment in infrastructure will grow 12 percent next year, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey, down from almost 20 percent in the first ten months this year. All 18 economists in the survey anticipated a moderation, adding to reports by Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and UBS Group AG predicting a similar trend. The cooling construction fever is taking shape as authorities renew a pledge to focus on debt management following the Communist Party Congress in October. In a rare move, China has suspended subway projects in some cities, and scrutiny has also toughened on public-private partnerships — until now a widespread way to fund projects. The easing could even threaten global capital expenditure growth, as China represents one-fifth of the world’s total investment, according to estimates by Oxford Economics.”

  14. Makati1 on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 6:26 am 

    It’s good for the US GDP…

    150,000 Flee Los Angeles As Wildfires Rage – “We’ll Be Fighting This All Week”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-06/150000-flee-la-wildfires-rage-well-be-fighting-all-week

    Getting closer and closer to that trillion dollar disaster year.

  15. fmr-paultard on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:27 am 

    yes supertard alt-tard media can not exist w/o supertard’s platform. SENTAPBs are parasites that need to be bumpskied

  16. JuanP on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:47 am 

    “YouTube Hires 10,000 Staff To Weed Out ‘Extremist’ Content”
    Another baby step in the USA’s descent into a repressive police state that censors, silences, manipulates, brainwashes, and controls its population. Let’s all sing together “… In the land of the free and the home of the brave” LOL! Americans are the most brainwahed people in the planet and seem to lack any awareness or understanding of their predicament. Like I always say, the USA is being destroyed by its own citizens and all the rest of us can do is sit back and watch this horror show. But, hey, apparently some of them are proud of this shit. Unfreakingbelievable!

  17. Hello on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 8:20 am 

    >>>> Americans are the most brainwahed people in the planet

    are you sure? why would you think that? Because youtube censors content?

    Do you think youtube only censors content for americans? Do you think youtube watchers in, let’s say, china, or uruguay get the uncensored version?

    But you’re right. Multi-cultural societes don’t work well. Once the going gets tough, more and more draconian measures must be taken to keep the ship together. Welcome to the west. Importing all those south/central americans was certainly not a smart move by the US. Well the West will get what it deserves for utter stupidity.

    I remember maybe 20 years ago in switzerland when crime happened. They would report the crime on the radio and always mention the nationality of the criminal. Probably 80% of the cases it was some eastern european import.

    But then they were forced to changed policy. It was not allowed anymore to report the natioanlity. The report was only saying “male suspect”.

    So it goes…..

  18. Shortend on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 8:23 am 

    Brainwashed, nope not since I left High School and stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag…sarcasm.

  19. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 9:12 am 

    Hello strikes again lol. It is nice have a source of balance on an extremist forum and the bonus is one not American. Hello, in 85 I worked for a German construction company that put a sewage tunnel from one end of Fribourge to the other. I also studies German in Schwabishalle with several Swiss from the Italian Canton. Great people!

  20. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 11:33 am 

    The US is ranked 9th Madkat in IQ..You idiot.

  21. Dredd on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 11:36 am 

    Kunstler is not usually this naive.

  22. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 12:01 pm 

    According to that list MM, there are 22 countries with a higher average IQ than the US.

    So no, the US is not ranked 9th in IQ. It is tied for 23 place with 9 other countries.

    Not that it really matters. The highest ranked countries, Hong Kong and Singapore, only average 108, which isn’t exactly brilliant. Human beings in general, are not overly intelligent.

  23. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 12:43 pm 

    Shut up Gregt you dumb Canadian…You are going to freeze to death shortly…

  24. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 12:55 pm 

    “So no, the US is not ranked 9th in IQ. It is tied for 23 place with 9 other countries.”

    It amazes me people who are so obsessed with their anti-American agendas cherry pick list to talk down the US. How stupid is it to compare nations when the size and composition of nations varies so much.

  25. Apneaman on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 12:55 pm 

    Hello do you mean like the, non ethnic, multicultural Western Roman empire that had a number of emperors who were not even born in Rome and or not ethnically from the region?

    Ya it only worked for about 500 years

    Claudius Gothicus – Illyrian

    Aurelian – Moesian

    Tacitus and Florian – unknown, possibly Italian or Danubian

    Probus – Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Sirmium)

    Carus – probably Gaulish and Greek (born at Narbo)

    Carinus and Numerian – probably Gaulish and Greek

    Diocletian – Dalmatian Illyrian

    Maximian – probably Illyrian or Pannonian

    Carausius – Menapian Gaul

    Constantius Chlorus – Moesian or Dacian

    Galerius – Dacian

    Severus II – Danubian

    Maxentius – Danubian and Syrian

    Constantine I and his sons – Moesian or Dacian

    Nerva – Italian or Cisalpine Gaulish (born at Narnia)

    Trajan – Umbrian Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

    Hadrian – Picenine Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

    Antoninus Pius – Gaulish (born in Latium)

    Marcus Aurelius – Gaulish and Spanish

    Commodus – Gaulish and Spanish (born in Rome)

    Pertinax – unknown (family of slave origins)

    Julianus – unknown, probably Roman Italian

    Pescennius Niger – Roman Italian

    Septimius Severus – Carthaginian and Celtic

    Caracalla – Carthaginian, Celtic, and Syrian

    Macrinus – Italian (family had settled in Punic Africa)

    Elagabalus – Syrian

    Severus Alexander – Syrian

    Maximinus Thrax – probably Dacian (supposedly Thracian and Sarmatian)

    The Gordiani – unknown (probably mixed Italian, African, and Asian)

    Philip the Arab – Mesopotamian or Syrian Arab

    Decius – Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Budalia near Sirmium)

    Trebonianus Gallus – Perusian Etruscan

    Aemilian – Mauretania

    The successor empire, Byzantine (eastern Rome) was even more cosmopolitan, multicultural and richer than Rome and lasted until 1453.

    The ancients and the medieval world did not spew your nationalism & psuedo scientific racism since both are 19th century eurotard inventions. Ya, nationalism worked out real fucking good for Europe last century. What better solutions could there possibly be to your current troubles than another round of the same mentality that lead to the most destructive and costly period europe has ever known?

    You would know this if you read a fucking book or two instead of spending your entire life parroting daddy’s bullshit. Half wit.

  26. Apneaman on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 1:40 pm 

    Chris Hedges “Fascism in the Age of Trump”

    ” …because when things get bad the elites

    will retreat into their gated compounds

    with amenities and services and security

    that’s denied to the rest of us and

    they’ll leave us on our own and we are

    you know as Martin Buber understood it

    is for those of us who endure it is

    going to be a complete inversion of the

    values of the consumer culture which I’m

    going to speak about and it really is

    going to be we are going to be are not

    only our integrity but our ability to

    endure will be measured by our capacity

    to sustain our neighbor and that’s

    really what sanctuary is about”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=BMYjroVIDLA

    “our ability to

    endure will be measured by our capacity

    to sustain our neighbor”

    Why are America’s farmers killing themselves in record numbers?

    The suicide rate for farmers is more than double that of veterans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/why-are-americas-farmers-killing-themselves-in-record-numbers

  27. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 1:44 pm 

    “It amazes me people who are so obsessed with their anti-American agendas cherry pick list to talk down the US. How stupid is it to compare nations when the size and composition of nations varies so much.”

    The list was compiled from studies carried out by:

    RICHARD LYNN, Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of Ulster, Northern Ireland.

    and:

    TATU VANHANEN is Professor Emeritus, Department of Political Science, University of Tampere and Docent Emeritus, Department of Political Science, University of Helsinki, Finland.

    Somehow I doubt very much that they have an anti-American agenda delusionalist.

  28. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 1:47 pm 

    “You are going to freeze to death shortly…”

    The average mean temperature here, is actually warmer than much of the continental US MM.

    Not the least bit surprising that you didn’t know that…….

  29. Sissyfuss on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 1:59 pm 

    Three you left off your list, Apeanus Smackamus. Probanus Analanus, Septicus Tankerous, and Orangeapus Ripoffhemust.

  30. Cloggie on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 2:09 pm 

    Hello do you mean like the, non ethnic, multicultural Western Roman empire that had a number of emperors who were not even born in Rome and or not ethnically from the region?

    apneaman is spouting his usual multicult propaganda with which his tribe ruined the US and now wants to do the same with Europe.

    And hello doesn’t have a single clue where the multicult idea, he hates to much, originates from:

    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/immigration.pdf

    Calling the Roman empire “multicultural” is insane. In those days people hardly moved further from their cradle in their entire lifetime than a few hours walking. The only ones who really traveled were legionairs, traders, etc. Big deal that western Rome had a few emperors from territories other than Rome.

    The real culprits behind multicult:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs0HuY8sa0

  31. Cloggie on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 2:39 pm 

    Hello, in 85 I worked for a German construction company that put a sewage tunnel from one end of Fribourge to the other.

    Nothing against working at a sewage project, but… “1%-er” !?

  32. Apneaman on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 3:21 pm 

    clogs counter evidence is yet another youtube video he never made nor likely watched.

    What about all the emperors born in different countries clog? How come you do not address that?

    I have forgotten more about the ancient world than you could learn in two lifetimes with your limited IQ and average memory.

    Rome was NOT an ethnic entity and it’s true they would never have used the term multicultural as that is a modern concept, but the fact remains they were multi ethnic.

    Your comparisons is bunk from the start. You are trying to argue that the Roman empire was not a 20th century progressive version of multiculturalism. No one ever argued it was since that is not how they thought in the ancient world. You don’t know this nor care since for you history is weapon to be cheery picked to support your 19th century euro nationalism and racist bunk. Again, they did not think in those terms.

    Oh and you are conflating medieval peasant Europe’s lack of travel with the Roman empire that was an empire of roads and bridges. It was easier to travel in the Roman empire than it was to travel in medieval Europe.

    How do you think Christianity was spread so successfully from the middle east? Duh.

    Claudius Gothicus – Illyrian

    Aurelian – Moesian

    Tacitus and Florian – unknown, possibly Italian or Danubian

    Probus – Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Sirmium)

    Carus – probably Gaulish and Greek (born at Narbo)

    Carinus and Numerian – probably Gaulish and Greek

    Diocletian – Dalmatian Illyrian

    Maximian – probably Illyrian or Pannonian

    Carausius – Menapian Gaul

    Constantius Chlorus – Moesian or Dacian

    Galerius – Dacian

    Severus II – Danubian

    Maxentius – Danubian and Syrian

    Constantine I and his sons – Moesian or Dacian

    Nerva – Italian or Cisalpine Gaulish (born at Narnia)

    Trajan – Umbrian Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

    Hadrian – Picenine Italian (family had settled in Spanish Baetica)

    Antoninus Pius – Gaulish (born in Latium)

    Marcus Aurelius – Gaulish and Spanish

    Commodus – Gaulish and Spanish (born in Rome)

    Pertinax – unknown (family of slave origins)

    Julianus – unknown, probably Roman Italian

    Pescennius Niger – Roman Italian

    Septimius Severus – Carthaginian and Celtic

    Caracalla – Carthaginian, Celtic, and Syrian

    Macrinus – Italian (family had settled in Punic Africa)

    Elagabalus – Syrian

    Severus Alexander – Syrian

    Maximinus Thrax – probably Dacian (supposedly Thracian and Sarmatian)

    The Gordiani – unknown (probably mixed Italian, African, and Asian)

    Philip the Arab – Mesopotamian or Syrian Arab

    Decius – Illyrian or Pannonian (born at Budalia near Sirmium)

    Trebonianus Gallus – Perusian Etruscan

    Aemilian – Mauretaniaome

    Even your favorite people were in Rome going way back.

    History of the Jews in Italy

    “Large numbers of Jews lived in Rome even during the late Roman Republican period ( from around 150 BC ). They were largely Greek-speaking and poor. As Rome had increasing contact with and military/trade dealings with the Greek-speaking Levant, during the 2nd and 1st centuries BCE, many Greeks, as well as Jews, came to Rome as merchants or were brought there as slaves.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Italy

    Just one of many examples.

    Nothing new really.

    “The early history of Islam in the Netherlands can be traced to the 16th century when Ottoman traders began settling in the nation’s port cities. While religious exposure arrived via trade partnerships, improvised Mosques in Amsterdam were first constructed in the early 17th century.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Netherlands

  33. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 3:34 pm 

    Wall Street’s Fracking Frenzy Runs Dry as Profits Fail to Materialize

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-streets-fracking-frenzy-runs-dry-as-profits-fail-to-materialize-1512577420

  34. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 3:53 pm 

    Post collapse..Those farmers daughters are all mine! I’ll tell em “turn off that Taylor Swift and open up wide for my big dick!” I’ll have more kids than Stanford!

  35. Antius on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 4:01 pm 

    “Rome was NOT an ethnic entity and it’s true they would never have used the term multicultural as that is a modern concept, but the fact remains they were multi ethnic.”

    It was also a totalitarian autocracy. Modern ‘multicultural’ societies are going exactly the same way. Coincidence? I think not. The only way such racially different people can live in peace is if every part of their identity and self expression is brutally oppressed.

  36. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:13 pm 

    Just saw a tv commercial for the Philippines.And they showed a Philippines girl in it..WOOOF!! Geez your people are but ugly madkat! I bet you always felt like an outsider in the US with all of our beautiful Caucasian people..Its like Asian peoples eyes never evolved. They still look like fishes!

  37. Apneaman on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:14 pm 

    Antius, if you want to argue that it’s not a coincidence, it will take more than you saying “you think not” to convince me.

    Saying you don’t think something is not a coincidence is not an argument for or against anything. It’s an admission that you lack one.

    First you need to establish that the modern concept of “self identity” even existed or mattered 2000 years ago.

    Again, they did not think like moderns and in addition to the slavery (ever present including today) and oppression (ever present including today) many many people were more than happy to become a citizen of the Roman empire with benefits and opportunities they could never otherwise have.

    500 years it lasted and another 1000 in the east and it wasn’t the same everywhere and for everyone. Fat spoiled modernity that has had more energy to do things never before possible is almost dead by suicide after a couple of hundred years.

    Your non argument is a gross oversimplification and based on your emotions and lack of understanding of antiquity, societies throughout history and what humans are.

    You also seem to miss the fact that all civilizations and empires and societies prior to this one have failed and are dead, dead, dead. That’s because no human civilization can live in peace for long. Because of the humans dumb ass.

    Pray tell antius, where is this mono-ethnic golden age society I have never heard of? Is it the same one clog talks about?

    It never was golden

    ‘The good old days’ is a virulent falsehood that infects those whose
    defences have been weakened by fear and insecurity

    https://aeon.co/essays/nostalgia-exerts-a-strong-allure-and-extracts-a-steep-price

    fear and insecurity

  38. fmr-paultard on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:16 pm 

    Aswang is a sad creature he’s fighting ww2 still that’s why duterte bought prop planes cuz he couldn’t afford jets. Aswang prisoner of his extremism

  39. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 5:56 pm 

    “The list was compiled from studies carried out by: RICHARD LYNN, Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of Ulster, Northern Ireland.”
    Big deal, am I supposed to be impressed? Nope, sorry, lists are lists and it is people like you and mad kat that manipulate these list like you manipulate and cherry pick most of your facts for effect. Comparing the IQ of a place like Ireland to the US is not proper without accepting difference in population. The two countries are different countries in many ways. There are pockets of high IQ people in the US and low IQ people.

    “Somehow I doubt very much that they have an anti-American agenda delusionalist.”
    Probably not you are likely correct they are not west coast Canadian anti-Americans.

  40. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 6:38 pm 

    Davy that LYNN dude is a huge racist!

  41. MASTERMIND on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 6:39 pm 

    Davy and psychology is a pseudo science. Almost half of all physiology experiments are false positives.

  42. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 6:50 pm 

    Let grehg know he is seeing a psychiatrist.

  43. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:22 pm 

    Never been to a psychiatrist or psychologist in my life delusionalist, but I have taken my fair share of management courses over the years.

    Your issues are textbook, and as transparent as glass.

  44. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:33 pm 

    Sorry, my bad. I should have said ‘some’ of your issues. You continue to expose more the longer you keep yapping.

  45. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:34 pm 

    Sorry “therapist”. Your words.

  46. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:36 pm 

    Does your wife know you like gay sex? “Your words”

  47. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:38 pm 

    MM,

    Physiology and psychology are two very different things.

    Not the least bit surprising that you didn’t know that either…….

  48. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:42 pm 

    “Does your wife know you like gay sex? “Your words””

    My wife is very aware of my sexual preferences delusionalist. She’s slept with me almost every single day since we’ve been married. We live together, just like all normal married couples do.

  49. Davy on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:46 pm 

    It’s ok grehg, none of us are perfect, even you mr. Perfect have dark moments. I am sure your therapist is discussing this with you.

  50. GregT on Wed, 6th Dec 2017 7:50 pm 

    “Sorry “therapist”. ”

    Yes, I’ve spent many hours at the physiotherapist’s office delusionalist.

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