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Kunstler: The Value of Everything

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W e are looking more and more like France on the eve of its revolution in 1789. Our classes are distributed differently, but the inequity is just as sharp. America’s “aristocracy,” once based strictly on bank accounts, acts increasingly hereditary as the vapid offspring and relations of “stars” (in politics, showbiz, business, and the arts) assert their prerogatives to fame, power, and riches — think the voters didn’t grok the sinister import of Hillary’s “it’s my turn” message?

What’s especially striking in similarity to the court of the Bourbons is the utter cluelessness of America’s entitled power elite to the agony of the moiling masses below them and mainly away from the coastal cities. Just about everything meaningful has been taken away from them, even though many of the material trappings of existence remain: a roof, stuff that resembles food, cars, and screens of various sizes.
But the places they are supposed to call home are either wrecked — the original small towns and cities of America — or replaced by new “developments” so devoid of artistry, history, thought, care, and charm that they don’t add up to communities, and are so obviously unworthy of affection, that the very idea of “home” becomes a cruel joke.

These places were bad enough in the 1960s and 70s, when the people who lived in them at least were able to report to paying jobs assembling products and managing their distribution. Now those people don’t have that to give a little meaning to their existence, or cover the costs of it. Public space was never designed into the automobile suburbs, and the sad remnants of it were replaced by ersatz substitutes, like the now-dying malls. Everything else of a public and human associational nature has been shoved into some kind of computerized box with a screen on it.

The floundering non-elite masses have not learned the harsh lesson of our time that the virtual is not an adequate substitute for the authentic, while the elites who create all this vicious crap spend millions to consort face-to-face in the Hamptons and Martha’s Vineyard telling each other how wonderful they are for providing all the artificial social programming and glitzy hardware for their paying customers.

The effect of this dynamic relationship so far has been powerfully soporific. You can deprive people of a true home for a while, and give them virtual friends on TV to project their emotions onto, and arrange to give them cars via some financing scam or other to keep them moving mindlessly around an utterly desecrated landscape under the false impression that they’re going somewhere — but we’re now at the point where ordinary people can’t even carry the costs of keeping themselves hostage to these degrading conditions.

The next big entertainment for them will be the financial implosion of the elites themselves as the governing forces of physics finally overcome all the ruses and stratagems of the elites who have been playing games with money. Professional observers never tires of saying that the government can’t run out of money (because they can always print more of it) but they can certainly destroy the value of that money and shred the consensual confidence that allows it to operate as money.

That’s exactly what is about to commence at the end of the summer when the government runs out of cash-on-hand and congress finds itself utterly paralyzed by party animus to patch the debt ceiling problem that disables new borrowing. The elites may be home from the Hamptons and the Vineyard by then, but summers may never be the same for them again.

The Deep State may win its war against the pathetic President Trump, but it won’t win any war against the imperatives of the universe and the way that expresses itself in the true valuation of things. And when the moment of clarification arrives — the instant of cosmic price discovery — the clueless elites will have to really and truly worry about the value of their heads.

Kunstler



78 Comments on "Kunstler: The Value of Everything"

  1. Apneaman on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 1:38 pm 

    Davy, go through the thread and you’ll see clog is the one obsessed with me. Just count the number of times he brings up my name and disses me out of the blue. 3-4 times throughout this thread over a number of days and I never responded to any of them except today. I bet he has embroidered my name on his pillow so I’m always with him. Take a look for yourself.

  2. Davy on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 2:14 pm 

    Lol, Ape, I feel for you because clog can be a dork when he disses you. I mean come on Talmud?? I have dumbass makati dissing on me. He likes to call me the mule. Actually that is an honor. Mules are cool animals. I guess that is something us assholes have in common we attract assholes.

  3. Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 3:01 pm 

    US empire latest…

    https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/888935199161110529

    Financial Times says that the US not only armed Syrian rebels, but even paid their monthly salaries. It wasn’t delegated (exclusively) to the proxies KSA, Qatar & Turkey. It was US-direct. I wouldn’t be surprised if ISIS was funded until recently as well by the US.

    Davy, go through the thread and you’ll see clog is the one obsessed with me. Just count the number of times he brings up my name and disses me out of the blue.

    And you always called me Clogmeister.ROFL

    I had missed this one… even hardcore deepstater (((Bill Kristol))) admits there is such a thing as (((deep state))):

    https://twitter.com/billkristol/status/831497364661747712?lang=en

    Lol, Ape, I feel for you because clog can be a dork when he disses you. I mean come on Talmud??

    Davy’s covert pledge of allegiance to the deep state.

  4. Apneaman on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 3:40 pm 

    It’s all good Davy. Poor old clog is working off a script, so one pretty much knows what to expect from him. Going to be many minds like his snapping when reality overwhelms. Expectations are the root of much suffering, but when you have great expectations that are diametrically opposed to an ever worsening reality, then you are going to fall hard. As you know it’s going to suck for everyone, but reality deniers will suffer most and especially the vocal ones. Complete disappoint and total social embarrassment. They’ll be the among the first to eat their guns or suck on a big fat fentanyl milkshake.

  5. Cloggie on Wed, 26th Jul 2017 11:27 pm 

    “CNN sucks” chant during Trump rally:

    https://youtu.be/9veWClytpf0

    CNN will never be the same again.

    There goes the deep state.

  6. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 3:48 am 

    Against the will of president Trump has a majority in the senate decided on very far reaching sanctions against Russia, which amount to a declaration of economic warfare. The ludicrous justification: alleged Russian meddling with the US election.

    Interestingly, the German representative of the US deep state, the magazine der Spiegel questions the wisdom of this move, although they also do support the overthrow of democratically elected president Putin. Under Putin Russian GDP has increased 8-fold and these sanctions will achieve nothing, like everything else the US deep state undertook since 9/11.

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/russland-sanktionen-der-usa-amerikas-dummer-alleingang-kommentar-a-1159856.html

    (“America’s dumb action”)

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/kraeftemessen-mit-donald-trump-us-senat-will-russlandsanktionen-zuegig-beschliessen-a-1159894.html

    (“Arm twisting with president Trump”)

    Everybody in Germany thinks that there is a hidden motive in these sanctions, namely to replace cheap Russian gas with expensive US fracking gas.

    The idea is to impose draconian fines on western companies (US+EU) who do business with Russia. Main target is of course the second pipeline that is to be built between Russia and Germany.

    It is unlikely that Germany will obey to this ultimatum. High time for some secret talks between the EU, Russia and China, in line with secret talks the American, British and Soviet Jews had in the thirties before they destroyed Europe.

    Two centuries of Anglo-Zionist rule is enough.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/20160612_nothing.jpg

    Time for something new: Eurasian Century. China can have Australia, New-Zealand and Vancouver, we in Europe want most of our North-American Europeans back.

  7. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 4:02 am 

    Correction: the US senate wants to decide this week, it hasn’t yet. But the approval rating is so big that a presidential veto can’t stop this insane measure.

  8. Davy on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 5:55 am 

    “Under Putin Russian GDP has increased 8-fold”
    Clog, quit sounding ridiculous. 8 fold??? Over how long and what are your references. Do you realize how big an 8 fold increase can be depending on the reference? You are great with renewable energy knowledge but you need to go back to school and get your basic financial credentials.

  9. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 6:52 am 

    Clog, quit sounding ridiculous. 8 fold???

    http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/russland-sanktionen-der-usa-amerikas-dummer-alleingang-kommentar-a-1159856.html

    In den zehn Jahren nach Putins Amtsantritt hatte sich Russlands Bruttoinlandsprodukt fast verachtfacht.

    You have partly German roots, of which you can be proud. So perhaps no need to translate this.

  10. Davy on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 7:11 am 

    clogster, quit your makatism. What is it and from when? Screw your MSM. Put the facts down on this board. An 8 fold increase from zero bound is hardly a jump. That jump I more likely also influenced by other factors besides sanctions like the oil recovery. What might have been the GDP without sanctions?

  11. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 7:15 am 

    OK, so you admit it was 8-fold after all.

    No further questions your honor.

  12. Davy on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 8:02 am 

    I pointed out you are a follower of makatism. You like to sensationalize with cherry picked facts to support a narrow exaggerated agenda of an emotional Eurotardism.

  13. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 8:16 am 

    Cloggie, I enjoy your bouts with the Missouri Mule. He tries but fails in so many ways. lol

    Facts are facts. They don’t have to be part of a bullshit article or take 5,000 words to explain like he pretends to do. For instance, if you make $500 per week, that is a fact. You don’t have to explain how you made it or what you did with it. It is a single fact that relates to the topic of your income.

    If you are commenting here, you have access to the internet and all the info in the world. But some here want you to document your conclusions because they are too uneducated and/or too lazy to look it up for themselves.

    I looked up the GDP of Russia and was surprised at the growth since 2000. Putin is really the best thing to happen to Russia in my lifetime. And the worse thing for the U$.

  14. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 9:23 am 

    I pointed out you are a follower of makatism. You like to sensationalize with cherry picked facts to support a narrow exaggerated agenda of an emotional Eurotardism.

    Davy, is it too much to ask what exactly are:

    1. “makatism”
    2. “Eurotardism”

    I haven’t the faintest idea and I deeply suspect you don’t have a clue either.

    It is just an (empty) smear word.

    All ears.

    Oh and…

    Do you realize how big an 8 fold increase can be depending on the reference? You are great with renewable energy knowledge but you need to go back to school and get your basic financial credentials.

    When do you plan to go back to school and get your basic financial credentials?

    Just asking.

  15. Davy on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 10:38 am 

    Cloggie, I love the material you are bringing to the board on the alternative energy revolution. What I don’t like is your makatism and Eurotardism. You have a very broad imagination so I think you can figure these Davy terms out. If you need a hint then review what makati does. He hazes everyone but his team and he praises himself in an extremely narcissistic way. IOW, he is a blowhard braggart who trashes others. He emotionally spreads hate and discontent as his personality profile. He is unapologetic about this behavior. He could give a shit about others.

    Eurotardism is extremely emotional promotion of Europe that is unrealistic considering the modern phenomena of globalism. It is the blaming of all Europe’s past and present problems and failures on others especially the Americans. It is a vision of a Paris, Berlin, Moscow confederation that is really a polite way to describe a fantasy empire Europeans have always dreamt of. It is a belief that Europe is the future, it is completely healthy and dynamic, and it is set to race past others in the global development race. BTW, I will soon have Italian citizenship through marriage just so you don’t think I hate Europe.

    Before you come back to tell me about my flag waiving keep in mind I am a doomer and anti-empire. I am anti-status quo and all for change and the acceptance of destructive change of being in a late term civilization. I am on an anti-American site dealing with articles that primarily focus on American negatives. This site is inhabited by anti-American expats, liberals, Anglosphere squares, and Eurotards. If I waive the flag it is to balance the extremism of these group. I despise flag waiver of all types cloggie. How’s that for an explanation buddy?

  16. Apneaman on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 11:03 am 

    “Under Putin Russian GDP has increased 8-fold”

    Now the average Russian makes as much as my paper boy…without the tip.

    I’ll believe the conviction of Putin/Russian fanboys when they move there.

    Never happen for spoiled old white fucks who only use Russia/Putin as a weapon for monkey politic bashing on the home front.

    Big fucking whoop. A wind up monkey could have increased the Russian GDP given there is all that oil just sitting there. Simply not interfering with the cancer extraction and financial infrastructure is enough to increase it. Same as Americans bragging about their greatness when their wealth never would have happened if not for the luck of geology – sitting on all that oil. Empires like the Inca’s, who had little to work with, are much more impressive.

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 11:56 am 

    I will soon have Italian citizenship through marriage just so you don’t think I hate Europe.

    Whooptido! Are you moving to Italy or what or is that they send you an Italian passport by default, unasked for?

    We can meet halfway in Switzerland someday.lol

  18. Davy on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 12:34 pm 

    Wife is getting it for me cloggie. When I get old I may move to her little villiage in the mountains. Never know how bad things might get here. A doomer always has a few safe houses around.

  19. Hello on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 1:38 pm 

    >> wealth never would have happened if not for the luck of geology

    How do you know that?
    Middle east is sitting on more oil, yet the only effective manufacturing they have is suicide belts. There’s more to success than just ‘sitting on oil’.

  20. Apneaman on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 2:49 pm 

    Hello, what the fuck does manufacturing have to do with anything? They have so much oil wealth in the ME that they DON’T need to manufacture anything. Enough wealth that over the last 50-70 years they have built national infrastructures, bought shit loads of weapons, bought off their populations and grown them mightily and had thousands of princes import every luxury good known to man at retard levels and also import hundreds of thousands of young attractive white women the world over as fuck toys year after year, decade after decade. How does that make you feel knowing their rag head royalty, thousands of them, have fucked and discarded more white women than are in your entire country? What happens next? After they have used and stretched those girls to shit they come home and marry local white boys who have no choice but to settle for used up, rag head sloppy seconds.

    As for suicide bombers, that is simply the ME overlords version of useful idiots/cannon fodder. In the west we use soldiers for the same purpose. Since WWII ended almost all soldiers deaths were in vain and especially in the US. After WWII only the military presence and threat was needed for defense and to protect economic interest of the common man. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were not needed to protect the common mans interest. They were strictly to make the rich richer. Wasted lives for profit. Further, the only reason N Americans and later the rest of the west got such a good deal after WWII was because the overlords needed them. Needed them trained up to run the machine and could also afford them whilst still making obscene amounts of profits. It was mutually beneficial. Most are no longer needed since the capitalists have got a better deal on labour and environment and safety regs, first in Mexico then Asia. This is why the ‘deplorables’ have been the fastest growing demographic in the last 20 years except for maybe illegal immigrants who are also there on purpose at the benefit of the overlords – more cheap labour.

    Hello, the reason they spent so much time and resources indoctrinating us starting in kindergarten is so people like you will still defend the system long after it is so obvious that it only serves a few. It only once served the majority because they needed most of us to run the machine. They are dumping the human dead weight right in front of your eyes and still you defend them like a starry eyed child. When they came up with the term ‘useless eater’ they meant it for everyone present and future who no longer serves their interests. The very second you are no longer useful to them you are a useless eater. They don’t give a fuck about you or your family and they never did. They don’t care about you. You are a thing.

  21. Hello on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 4:29 pm 

    Not sure why you’re so angry, Ape, wandering off on a tangent with your ramblings.

    Is it because Canada, in spite of all their oil has less GDP/capita than Germany or Switzerland, or Holland or Austria. God dammit, Ape, even the US with way less oil/capita than Canada is more productive.

    Oil certainly helps to prosperity, however other ingredients need to be present to. Maybe that’s why there’s no successful negro state, because they just can’t get shit done, no matter on how many resources they are sitting.

    >>>> what the fuck does manufacturing have to do with anything

    Do you believe “stuff” grows on trees?

  22. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 8:42 pm 

    Hello, do you know that the US doesn’t actually manufacture many ‘necessities’ like clothes? The U$ GDP is about 18% healthcare mafia, ~8% finance bankster mafia, While MANUFACTURING was about 12% of the U$ GDP last year. Actually producing ‘useful things’ is way down the list unless you count weapons.

    http://www.nam.org/Newsroom/Top-20-Facts-About-Manufacturing/
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-04-20/how-finance-came-to-dominate-the-u-s-economy
    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/03/Federal-Health-Care-Costs-Surge-17-Percent-GDP

    Read the “MADE IN ..” On the things you buy. If you are like a lot of Americans, you will be shocked/surprised. LOL

  23. Makati1 on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 8:50 pm 

    Ap, are you becoming a U$ flag waving zombie also? I thought you were more intelligent than that. Russia is a better place than America. They have a sane man running their country whereas…

    They have more advanced weapons systems than the U$ and are way ahead in many other areas, not to mention being a resource INDEPENDENT country, unlike most of the West and their wannabees who have to import their necessities from other countries. (The U$ buys its rocket engines from Russia because they are better.)

    Maybe you should go back to the climate change district where you at least sound intelligent. Putin/Russia bashing is just more U$ brainwashing success. Be careful what you wish for. You live in a gestapo Police State now and it is only going to get worse. Bail while you still can.

  24. Apneaman on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 8:57 pm 

    Hello, I’ve never been to Germany or Switzerland, or Holland or Austria, nor do I give a shit about their GDP per capita. In Switzerland do they count all that stolen holocaust money as part of the GDP?

    Do you lay awake at night worrying about where your country in the GDP race? Same as worrying about your spot on the social monkey tree. Spend time worrying about what people who would not piss on you if you were on fire think of you?

    I don’t care about GDP or manufacturing or barrel counting. I only care about me and my family.

    Have you ever toured Canada and the US? I have lived and worked in both countries and can tell you that the oil wealth is not shared equally among the citizenry. The government gets taxes and royalties, people get employed and the rest, the majority goes to the investor class and much of that wealth is squirreled away in off shore accounts far away from the tax man – see the Panama papers –

    https://panamapapers.icij.org/

    “Do you believe “stuff” grows on trees?”

    Yes it does. In North America we get tons of manufactured goods from the magic ‘Dollar Tree’. Ask the other guys on the board if they have goodies from the magic ‘Dollar Tree’. Most of the shit I own is made in china except stuff I bought decades ago; my guns and a bunch of my tools are American made and my knives and scissors are Henkel (good as new after 30 years – thanks Nazis) The rest is mostly Chinese manufactured goods. Junk.

  25. Apneaman on Thu, 27th Jul 2017 11:56 pm 

    Mak, tell me all the details about your years living in Russia that have made you the expert layman on life there. Did you write a guide book like some expats do? You are one of 10,000,000 white men NOT from Russia who have never been and don’t speak the language, but is an expert based on having an internet connection and only reading and linking to selective stories on Russia – Cherry picking. Russia has many social and economic problems same as everyone else. Start with a google of Alcoholism + Russia and read how masses of their young men are drinking themselves into an early grave.

    Do you know why the Persians had a massive empire? Because they could. Do you know why the Romans had a big empire? Because they could. Do you know why the US has an empire? Because it can. Do you know why Russia does not have a global empire? Because they can’t. If it wasn’t for AGW and all the other overshoot predicaments, China would be next/next again. Not enough time and probably not enough energy, but they will continue to gain more power for the foreseeable future. In the meantime Asia will keep breeding like humans and that way have even more people to suffer when the worlds major grain crops begin their inevitable decline.

  26. Makati1 on Fri, 28th Jul 2017 2:08 am 

    Ap, I know from my studies and my experience from Stalin to Putin, that the bullshit you read from the MSM corporate elite websites, newspapers and mags is just that, pure bullshit. Propaganda of the worse sort.

    I am not saying that Russia is heaven on earth. There is no such place anymore. I am just saying that it is better run than the US by a country mile. The only reason that all the propaganda is now anti-Russia/Putin is because it will not bend and kiss the U$ elite’s ass anymore. THAT is a huge plus in my book and why I hope the prez here in the Ps sticks with his plans to dump the US and side with China and Russia. Smart men. The sooner the huge terrorist organization, called the US, goes down, the better for the rest of the world. Tomorrow would be fine with me. I’m prepared.

    I do not live in the past. I live for the future, but I can use my 72 years experience to judge the US, and I do. If the US keeps hitting the bear, there may be a lot of bright flashes over Americans cities some 3AM. Nuclear flashes. End of story.

    I got myself and my resources out of the US Police State gulag before it slams the door and makes it almost impossible if you are not one of the elite. Davy seems to think that he will be able to get on a plane and go to Italy before the door slams. I doubt he will make it, but I wish him luck. I doubt Italy is going to be any better than the US at that point.

    Keep sucking up that America Koolaid and live in the world you envision. I don’t give a damn. It doesn’t affect me. You and Davy seem to have mental blocks about the rest of the world. So be it. If all of your posted articles are correct, none of us will have too many more years anywhere. So be it.

  27. Cloggie on Fri, 28th Jul 2017 2:20 am 

    Do you know why the Persians had a massive empire? Because they could. Do you know why the Romans had a big empire? Because they could. Do you know why the US has an empire? Because it can. Do you know why Russia does not have a global empire? Because they can’t

    You have a level of historic insight of a three year old. What began as “Kiev Rus” in the 8th century…

    http://tinyurl.com/yc6abq6o

    …would eventually grow out to the largest empire in world history. Until the 19th century they acquired a landmass of up to three times more than that of the current US.

    http://tinyurl.com/ycg4djkb

    In the 19th century they had Alaska and had penetrated deep into California; Форт-Росс (Fort Ross), that’s freaking San Francisco, halfway between Canada and Mexico!

    But then the fun really began. When your kind took over government in 1917 in Petersburg and Moscow (the greatest human disaster in history), as well as in the US in 1913 (Fed) and the US government in 1933 and began to conspire together to get Europe destroyed, Russia expanded its sphere of influence over the entire globe:

    http://www.essential-humanities.net/img/history/cw.jpg

    Because they can’t

    ApneaFool.

    And now Russia recovered and carried away victory over the US empire in Syria and has set up an alliance structure with China, Iran and soon Pakistan and India that can’t be defeated by the West. China may be the coming manufacturing super-power (if it isn’t already), but Russia is still the military backbone of that alliance and defies the NWO (now almost dead in the water).

    In the end Russia will achieve its centuries old calling, that began with Peter the Great and become accepted as a fully-fledged European nation.

    http://www.paris-berlin-moscou.org/

    In the end it will be Russian, European and US-Constitutionalist/white nationalist forces that will operate on US soil and flatten Washington and liberate America of the rule of your tribe.

    Because they can’t

    Hahahaha.

  28. Davy on Fri, 28th Jul 2017 4:54 am 

    “You and Davy seem to have mental blocks about the rest of the world. So be it. If all of your posted articles are correct, none of us will have too many more years anywhere. So be it.”

    Makati, quit being a dork. Ape man is being balanced and you are being extreme as usual. There is something wrong with you, really. You have become obsessed with the US so much so you talk about little else. If you are calling Ape man on Kool-Aid and US flag waiver something is very wrong with your judgement. I admire Russia but please it is far from a faux makati paradise.

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