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Is the US A Force For Good In The World?

Public Policy

First of all, in terms of popularity worldwide, the U.S. is a mixed picture. A Gallup International poll of 65 countries, issued on 30 December 2013, found that:

“The US was the overwhelming choice (24% of respondents) for the country that represents the greatest threat to peace in the world today. This was followed by Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). Respondents in Russia (54%), China (49%) and Bosnia (49%) were the most fearful of the US as a threat.”
(Some of the reasons why America is considered, by people throughout the world, to be the biggest threat to peace, will be documented below.)
More details in that poll were reported here. This poll also found some marginal advantages for America in the country’s reputation as a place to live. It found that:
“The majority of people (38%) are in fact happy to live where they currently reside. This figure is matched by those in the Western Europe region where 38% would choose to live where they currently live, with 36% of the UK population opting to stay in the country and a substantial 66% of Australia respondents answering that they would not consider relocating. Overall, those in the MENA [Middle East North Africa region] (47%) and Americas (46%) regions are most likely to stay where they currently live. For those who would like to move, the survey highlights that the USA (9% of respondents) is the most desirable destination, with Canada and Australia jointly being second choice (7%) and Switzerland third (6%). Only 4% of the world’s population would like to live in the UK, a figure common to other European countries including Spain, France and Italy.”
In any case, the U.S. was a rather popular place to move to on account of its being the only nation that adjoins the much poorer country of Mexico to the south, and so the U.S. has long been a popular destination from those relatively poor and violently high-crime countries, especially (besides Mexico itself) El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. This does not necessarily mean that the U.S. is a force for good in the world, however.
That 2013 WIN/Gallup poll (which was from the Worldwide Independent Network of Gallup International) is the only comprehensive international poll that has been made at all public regarding the cardinal question of which country is “posing the greatest threat to peace” in the world. The poll itself was not made available online, but was instead only summarized in a press release by WIN/Gallup, perhaps because the answers on that particular question were so negative regarding the United States Government, which is a major financial backer of Gallup International’s polling. Although a subsequent “End of Year Survey 2014” was done, it reported nothing at all on the key question of “the greatest threat to peace in the world today.” Perhaps, if the U.S. Government sponsored the poll, it decided that in the year 2014, after President Obama’s violent Ukrainian coup in February followed by civil war and ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, and with other international conflicts in which the U.S. played an important part, yet another year of the U.S.’s topping Russia, by over four-to-one, as being a “threat to peace” in the world, would not be something that the U.S. Government would want to draw public attention to, yet again. So: they did not.
Another way to look at the question of whether the U.S. is a force for good in the world is to consider America’s roles in the flaming civil and international wars that are going on around the world, particularly the issue of refugees (many of which refugees are now pouring into Europe, even in instances where the refugees are due to the U.S.).
IRAQ
In Iraq, after America’s 2003 invasion of that country and overthrow of its dictator Saddam Hussein, wikipedia says that, “Roughly 40% of Iraq’s middle class is believed to have fled.[15] [2] [16] Most are fleeing systematic persecution and have no desire to return.[15].”
LIBYA
In Libya, after America’s 2011 bombing campaign and the resultant killing of its dictator Muammar Gaddafi, wikipedia says that,
“The Le Monde article of May 14, 2014 states ‘Estimates of their numbers vary between 600,000 and one million by the Tunisian Ministry of Interior. If we add those, many also settled in Egypt, they would be nearly two million Libyans today outside the borders of a total population estimated at just over six million inhabitants.’ [3].” 
On 15 April 2015, the Christian Science Monitor bannered, “How the fall of Qaddafi gave rise to Europe’s migrant crisis (+video),” and reported that:
“Libya’s chaos has once more made it a major way station for Africans seeking a better life, as the European Union grapples with the morality of cutting back on patrols to rescue migrants. The argument for doing less is that increasing the risk of crossing the Mediterranean would save lives. Word that there was no safety net would filter back to people, many of them fleeing persecution, and they’d stop coming.
“‘We do not support planned search and rescue operations in the Mediterranean,’ British Foreign Office Minister Joyce Anelay said last year. Rescues have  ‘an unintended ‘pull factor,’ encouraging more migrants to attempt the dangerous sea crossing and thereby leading to more tragic and unnecessary deaths,’ she argued.
It clearly hasn’t worked out that way.”
SYRIA
In Syria, after the U.S. bombing there, which resulted from the campaign by America and its Islamist-backing dictatorial allies Qatar and Saudi Arabia to overthrow the dictator there, Bashar al-Assad, wikipedia says,
“To escape the violence, more than three and a half million Syrian refugees have fled the country to neighboring Turkey,[31][32] Lebanon, Jordan,[33] and Iraq [34] while thousands also ended up in more distant countries of the Caucasus, the Persian Gulf and North Africa. As of February 2015, Turkey has become the world’s biggest refugee hosting country with 1.7 million Syrian refugees and had spent more than US$6 billion on direct assistance to refugees.[35][36].”
Another wikipedia article says: 
“As of March 2015, Al-Jazeera estimates 10.9 million Syrians, or almost half the population, have been displaced.[612] 3.8 million have been made refugees.[612][613] As of 2013, 1 in 3 of Syrian refugees (about 667,000 people) sought safety in tiny Lebanon (normally 4.8 million population).[614] Others have fled to Jordan, Turkey, and Iraq. Turkey has accepted +1.000.000 (2014) Syrian refugees, half of whom are spread around a cities and dozen camps placed under the direct authority of the Turkish Government. Satellite images confirmed that the first Syrian camps appeared in Turkey in July 2011, shortly after the towns of Deraa, Homs, and Hama were besieged.[615] In September 2014, the UN stated that the number of Syrian refugees had exceeded 3 million.[616]”
UKRAINE
In Ukraine, after the February 2014 U.S. coup there overthrowing the democratically elected but corrupt President Viktor Yanukovych, wikipedia, being a site that is constantly edited by the U.S. CIA which participated in that coup, has no article on the refugee crisis there, but the Irving-Kristol-founded far-right magazine National Interest said, with noteworthy honesty in its 4 February 2015 issue, under the headline “The Great Exodus: Ukraine’s Refugees Flee to Russia,” that,
“According to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, as of December 2014, upwards of 430,000 Ukrainians had applied for refugee status or other forms of legal residency in Russia. The refugees who come unofficially, i.e. not registering with the FMS, make it difficult to count the total number of Ukrainian refugees in the country, however.”
And, in addition, around another half-million refugees are estimated to have fled to elsewhere inside Ukraine itself. Furthermore, according to German intelligence, as reported in the Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung, on 2 August 2014, about half-way through the Ukrainian conflict thus far, the official figure of deaths from the civil war, 5,000, was then estimated to be ten times too low: it was more like 50,000 deaths, almost all of them civilians who had lived in the area that the U.S.-backed regime has been bombing. They’re officially called ‘terrorists’ for having lived in the area of Ukraine that had voted 90+% for Yanukovych, the man whom Obama overthrew.
CONCLUSION
By a rough estimate, at least tens of millions of people in the MENA and eastern European regions are refugees from U.S. and U.S.-backed invasions; and this doesn’t count anything in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and other nations that have not even been mentioned here. (And the U.S. is taking in almost no refugees from any of the countries that are mentioned here. Instead, other nations do.)
Americans are taught that the U.S. is a force for good in the world, but all dictatorial regimes say pretty much the same thing; so, what Americans are taught doesn’t mean anything. (Not even if it might have been true in the past; perhaps before 1953, when the first major U.S. imperialist coup was imposed, in Iran.) Outside the United States, America now has a profoundly different reputation than it used to have. The current U.S. President, who has done so much to warrant that reputation of an invading lying dictatorial regime, doesn’t share that different opinion, which the rest of the world holds about the U.S. To the contrary, he insists upon an outdated Statue-of-Liberty omage of today’s United States: he told graduating West Point cadets, on 28 May 2014, shortly after the massacre that his allies did to pro-Russian pamphleteers in Odessa Ukraine on 2 May of that year, which burnt them alive:
“America continues to attract striving immigrants. The values of our founding inspire leaders in parliaments and new movements in public squares around the globe. And when a typhoon hits the Philippines, or schoolgirls are kidnapped in Nigeria, or masked men occupy a building in Ukraine, it is America that the world looks to for help. (Applause.) So the United States is and remains the one indispensable nation. That has been true for the century passed and it will be true for the century to come.
 
“But the world is changing with accelerating speed. This presents opportunity, but also new dangers. We know all too well, after 9/11, just how technology and globalization has put power once reserved for states in the hands of individuals, raising the capacity of terrorists to do harm. Russia’s aggression toward former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe, while China’s economic rise and military reach worries its neighbors. From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums. And even as developing nations embrace democracy and market economies, 24-hour news and social media makes it impossible to ignore the continuation of sectarian conflicts and failing states and popular uprisings that might have received only passing notice a generation ago.”
It is worth pointing out here that if the U.S. is “the one indispensable nation,” as Obama claims, then all other nations are “dispensable.” They notice that, even if Americans don’t. (And there’s not much coverage in the U.S. press of the hostile import of that often-repeated phrase by our President.) Not many foreigners will be favorably impressed by such arrogance. They will, instead, consider it to be singularly undeserved and unwarranted. And, apparently, they already do. Even if the American President doesn’t.
It’s also worth noting that, until America’s actions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Ukraine, they all were nations friendly toward Russia.
PS: The sweet-talking pro-Wall-Street ‘Democratic’ President Obama is now finally repelling even Democrats in Congress, where almost all of his support comes from Republicans. On April 23rd, the U.S. Senate’s leading progressive, the Democrat Sherrod Brown, said, of President Obama’s attempts to ram through Congress mega-corporate international trade deals, which will extend even deeper the international-corporate race to the bottom on wages, consumer protections, and the environment:
“I think if you could get my colleagues to be honest, on the Democratic side, with you — and I think you can mostly — they will say they’ve been talked to, approached, lobbied and maybe cajoled by more cabinet members on this issue than any issue since Barack Obama’s been president.”
Obama cares more about this issue than he does about anything except, perhaps, destroying Russia. As he closes his Presidency, he is doing like did Bill Clinton (the man who started expanding NATO right up to Russia’s borders) at the end of his Presidency: giving away the house and everything, to the international corporate elite. But why are congressional Democrats waiting so late to call Obama on this, which he had evidenced, though not with such bare knuckles, even before he stepped inside the White House, specifically by trying to swing deals with Republicans on 16 January 2009. (Actually, when he appointed people like Timothy Geithner, Eric Holder, and Larry Summers, right after being elected in 2008, there was already strong reason to suspect him.) Why are congressional Democrats such slow learners, taking nearly seven years fo know what they should have recognized even back then — that he’s actually just a closeted Republican, a conservative Manchurian Candidate, a Trojan Horse from the CIA? (Also see here.)
Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of  They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity, and of Feudalism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Economics.
Countercurrents.org


36 Comments on "Is the US A Force For Good In The World?"

  1. Makati1 on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 7:02 pm 

    “Americans are taught that the U.S. is a force for good in the world, but all dictatorial regimes say pretty much the same thing; so, what Americans are taught doesn’t mean anything.”

    BINGO! A dictatorship by any other name…is still a dictatorship. The Us is at best a Fascist oligarchy.

    “When the super rich can break laws and face zero consequences because they have bribed the politicians and law enforces then we don’t have a Democracy under the rule of law. We have an oligarchy for the super rich and a fake rigged democracy.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/15/1017214/-Oligarchy-is-the-new-Fascism#

    “It is worth pointing out here that if the U.S. is “the one indispensable nation,” as Obama claims, then all other nations are “dispensable.” They notice that, even if Americans don’t. (And there’s not much coverage in the U.S. press of the hostile import of that often-repeated phrase by our President.) Not many foreigners will be favorably impressed by such arrogance.”

    That 57 nations, (including the UK, most of Europe, Australia and New Zealand) have joined the new Chinese backed AIIB against the wishes of the US, shows how much the world is turning away from the empire of terrorism.

    It is the UFSA that is becoming isolated and paranoid.

  2. JuanP on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 7:08 pm 

    “The majority of people (38%) are in fact happy to live where they currently reside.” That is as far as I could get.

  3. MSN Fanboy on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 7:16 pm 

    Makati, the article failed before it began.

    There are no ‘good’ nations.

    Apart from China, LOL, its just a pity China are being held back by China.

    I suppose such issues are ‘word salad’ anyhow.

    Instead of ‘good’ and ‘bad’ why can’t we do ‘right’ over ‘wrong’

    And here I am, moving deck chairs on the titanic.

  4. JuanP on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 7:16 pm 

    Mak, When I hear Obama repeating time and again how exceptional and indispensable the USA is, to me, he just sounds terribly pathetic. The more he repeats it, the more pathetic he sounds. I, personally, don’t take offense from such stupid, ignorant, arrogant comments. If it were true in any way he wouldn’t have to say it over and over again. The more Americans claim to be exceptional or indispensable, the more obvious it becomes how much they are not. I, on the other hand, am … 😉

  5. Speculawyer on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 10:58 pm 

    So they think we are a threat . . . but they want to live here.

  6. Makati1 on Sat, 25th Apr 2015 11:08 pm 

    JuanP, I am a very unexceptional, and very dispensable American. I know it. There are at least 3.5 billion people who are better than me in many ways and I live with some of them here in the Ps.

    Perhaps I should feel sorry for my deluded, denying, arrogant, immature, and yes, stupid, fellow citizens, but I am not. In my mind, most deserve what they are going to get and those who do not deserve it are too young to understand.

    Freedom does not come from a piece of paper. Even Filipinos understand that and get into the streets in huge numbers when they want change. Most Americans cannot get off their couch even to change the channel on their programmed brainwashing session. Most don’t even to bother to vote. But, I’m preaching to the choir again…sorry.

  7. Dredd on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 7:19 am 

    The proper nomenclature is plutocratic wartocracy (The Government of MOMCOM: Wartocracy – 2).

  8. eugene on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 8:46 am 

    I’m appreciate the luxury of living here but am well aware this nation was built on the bones of those we slaughtered, built with slave/semi-slave labor, continues to survive through brutality/total disregard for the rights of others and has tens of millions who refuse to accept the reality of it all. We are just another empire and not superior to anyone. Once people from another country realize I’m not just another self righteous American, the conversations get interesting. As one said to me “Americans always act so damned superior”. I agreed.

  9. Hugh Culliton on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 9:36 am 

    Interesting article. I’m 44. My family have a LOT of Americans. As a kid I spent many summers south of the border at Oshkosh air shows, in Florida, Onex Caves, Lincoln’s cabin, Washington, et al. Since 911, I’ve needed a passport and thus haven’t gone very often. When I do, the change I’ve seen is…radical. Yanks have always been a little nuts, yes, but now it’s becoming – to me at least- ugly, alarming, and shrill. Something is changing. I won’t presume to say what, but something’s infected the America I knew like a virus. You’ve changed and can’t see it.

  10. yoananda on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 9:46 am 

    In France many view US as a selfish empire always at war to defend it’s cheap oil access (every 5 yr a new country is attacked and destroyed, countless dictator’s set in place to serve US interest).

  11. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 9:46 am 

    Hugh, get back to me when you can show me the rest of the world is heading the other way from the negative way you see the US heading. I am seeing nothing out of Canada to crow about. I would rather live in Canada than the US but Canada is going down the tubes also. It amazes me how the Canadians love to bash and trash the US but then find it so difficult to talk about how shitty Canada is.

  12. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 10:03 am 

    YO, all true but can you tell me where France is a beacon of the truth? I would love to know their contribution to world peace and stability.

    Europe is a joke of cronyism and false prosperity of living way beyond their means. The bill is coming due and it won’t be pretty.

  13. Arthur75 on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:17 am 

    First thing for the US would be to know that the key reason for the first oil shock was US 1970 peak and not the “Arab embargo” little song …

    (and that their oldest allies in the middle east is Saudi Arabia)

    Another thing would be to consider the logo of the “United State Central Command” :
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Seal_of_the_United_States_Central_Command.png/1024px-Seal_of_the_United_States_Central_Command.png

  14. Arthur75 on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:20 am 

    Reminder, first oil shock real story :

    When the real story was :

    – end 1970 : US production peak, the energy crisis starts from there, with some heating fuel shortages for instance (some articles can be found on NYT archive on that), or :
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/US_Oil_Production_and_Imports_1920_to_2005.png
    – Nixon name James Akins to go check what is going on.
    – Akins goes around all US producers, saying this won’t be communicated to the media, but needs to be known, national security question
    – The results are bad : no additional capacity at all, production will only go down, the results are also presented to the OECD
    – The reserves of Alaska, North Sea, Gulf of Mexico, are known at that time, but to be developed the barrel price needs to be higher
    – In parallel this is also the period of “rebalance” between oil majors and countries on each barrel revenues (Ghadaffi being the first to push 55/50 for instance), and creation of national oil companies.
    – there is also the dropping of B Woods in 71 and associated $ devaluation, also putting a “bullish” pressure on oil price.
    – So to be able to start Alaska, GOM, North Sea, and have some “outside OPEC” market share, the barrel price needs to go up and this is also US diplomacy strategy
    – For instance Akins, then US ambassador in Saudi Arabia, is the one talking about $4 or $5 a barrel in an OAPEC meeting in Algiers in 1972
    – Yom Kippur starts during an OPEC meeting in Vienna, which was about barrel revenues percentages, and barrel price rise.
    – The declaration of the embargo pushes the barrel up on the spots markets (that just have been set up)
    – The embargo remains very limited (not from Iran, not from Iraq, towards a few countries)
    – It remains fictive from Saudi Arabia towards the US : tankers kept on going from KSA, through Bahrain to make it more discrete, towards the US Army in Vietnam in particular.
    – Akins is very clear about that in below documentary interviews (which unfortunately only exists in French and German to my knowledge, and interviews are voiced over) :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fQJ-0jAr3LQ
    For instance after 24:10, where he says that two senators were starting having rather “strong voices” about “doing something”, he asked the permission to tell them what was going on, got it, told them, they shat up and there was never any leak.
    The “embargo story” was in fact very “practical”, both for the US to “cover up” US peak towards US public opinion or western one in general, but also for major Arab producers to show “the Arab street” that they were doing something for the Palestinians.

    In the end, clearly a wake up call that has been missed
    Note : About Akins, for instance :
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/26/AR2010072605298.html

    And you could add to that that the price rise in fact went in two steps, the second one mainly driven by the Shah of Iran, and that we now know that this was also pushed by the US admin of the time (through Kissinger especially).

  15. Rodster on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 12:19 pm 

    “We came, we saw, he died” Hitlery Clinton

    Thanks to Hitlery, people are now fleeing Libya and risking their lives and dying on boats to Europe. So now it’s Europes problem.

    ——————————————–
    “Is the US A Force For Good In The World?”

    Hell NO !

  16. rockman on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 2:30 pm 

    I always find it amusing to listen to someone tagging a non-living entity with human qualities such goodness, evil etc. Be the USA, the Republican party, the Israeli population, oil companies, Green Peace, etc, etc, etc. Any such characterization will be just as correct as it’s incorrect. Of course, it would make discussing the world easier since trying to relate one’s position to a specific individual tends to minimize the point one is try to propagandize.

  17. yoananda on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 3:44 pm 

    Davy,
    I totally agree. France have its share of meat in the suffering of the people.

    Sarkozy our last president is entirely responsible for the catastrophy in Lybbia.
    Not to mention how Hollande treat the Syrian case.

    I’m ashamed of my governments, and, I’m far from being alone.

  18. Keith_McClary on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 3:47 pm 

    Speculawyer :

    “So they think we are a threat . . . but they want to live here.”

    They are from countries that were “liberated” by the US.

  19. yoananda on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 3:52 pm 

    plus, we are in civil war with muslim right now even if the MSM deny it.

    And, true, we live above our means. We have an huge aristocracy of officials (state employees) (“fonctionnaires”) + a really expensive welfare state that pays huge amount to immigrant to keep in peace, etc…
    Taxes are so high that it discourage everybody to work honnestily.
    We often talk about it, but, beside a revolution, we don’t know how to change thinks. Power is in the hand of secret groups, above presidents.

    If we didn’t have atomic bomb and a hand over a large part of africa, we would be a third world state. We are ruled like one.

  20. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 4:16 pm 

    Yo, at least the French still have a quality culture. American culture is well into decay with corporate hijacking and consumeristic excesses. I spent several months in southern France in my late 20’s. It was fantastic living back then in the late 80’s. I presume the basics of that life have not changed.

  21. Plantagenet on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 6:47 pm 

    Davy:

    Rest easy—the glorious lifestyle of southern France remains as enviable as ever. I was in Nice, Monaco, Menton, Antibbe and Canne about a year ago and I’d move there in a flash.

    One of my favorite things I saw there were several monuments in Canne, Nice etc. thanking the US for saving France from the Nazis—-remember in WWII the US still clearly was a force for good int he world.

  22. Apneaman on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 7:50 pm 

    Planty, you really believe that bullshit about freeing Europe? Just a byproduct of other motives. I’ll go with one of the greatest American ever version

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgAVpPNusTs

  23. rdberg1957 on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 10:31 pm 

    Hugh Culliton–As an insider, it is difficult to see the changes in the US character. I believe September 11, and the militarization after have changed the US much for the worse. We have a police state, an oligarchy, and widening inequality. We have a political polarization which prevents us from addressing minor problems, much less the really big problems which we ignore. Overall, I don’t see the American people as very happy whereas 40 years ago I think they were happier. We definitely had a more vibrant culture alive with music and art that I connected with. However, it is difficult to say whether the changes are just the culture. I am aging and becoming the curmudgeon I promised I would never become.

  24. Makati1 on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 10:54 pm 

    Apneamna, you are correct. The US did got financially/profitably involved in the war before it started. They got into the actual bleeding and dying after the Germans started sinking all ships approaching war zones and cut off the profits the Americans were making off of the war.

    If the Russians had not won, Americans would be speaking German on the East Coast and Japanese on the West. Had Hitler secured the oil fields and factories of Russia, they would have won easily. Russia paid the price for Western freedom, not America.

    Americans have been too long without a war in the 48 states. They have not experienced the horrors, death and destruction of their families, towns, lives. THAT is why they are so f–king stupid and in denial about the real world. And that is why they will suffer most when the SHTF.

  25. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:09 pm 

    I love when Mak gives his WWII history lessons. They are so interesting and fun to listen to.

  26. GregT on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:20 pm 

    Davy,

    What part of Makati’s “history lesson” do you refute?

  27. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:30 pm 

    Makster’s history lesson “If the Russians had not won, Americans would be speaking German on the East Coast and Japanese on the West. Had Hitler secured the oil fields and factories of Russia, they would have won easily. Russia paid the price for Western freedom, not America.”

    That kind of statement is unsupportable Greg and you know it. The Makster can speculate all he wants like a Monday morning quarterback but history don’t work that way.

    I do agree the US mainland needs a war to shake up the sheeples. That war will likely be some kind of civil war post BAU or maybe the final battle between Russia and the US if the current psychopaths in DC are not routed.

  28. GregT on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:42 pm 

    Davy,

    If it wasn’t for project paper clip, and German scientific advancement, the US never would have dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan, and NASA would have never existed. The Russians suffered great losses in WW2, and fought against the Germans in the end. Makati may be speculating, but he is more than likely not far off. The US did not win WW2, contrary to western indoctrination.

  29. Davy on Sun, 26th Apr 2015 11:57 pm 

    Speculation is speculation Greg and “being more than likely not far off” is speculation. If you tried to support that statement you would be going out on a limb with all kinds of loose ends. So, no, I ain’t buying into it.

    Greg how many civilians did the Russians, Japanese, Chinese, and Germans kill in the period 1930 until 1950. Add them up and compare that number to two NUK bombs the Americans dropped. Is a NUK death worse than a forced starvation death or any other kind of death?

    Nobody won WWII Greg. It was just another failure of human civilization and a big one. It shows we cannot function as a global species and points to our eventual extinction.

  30. GregT on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 12:08 am 

    Absolutely agree Davy. Human beings simply cannot get along. The greedy always claw their way to the ‘top’. It was never about the Japanese, the Germans, the Russians, or the Americans. It has always been about the power elite and their empires (nations). The longer we continue to wave their flags for them, the longer the wars and the atrocities will continue. Until we learn that we are human beings first, and not servants of the oligarchs, the wars, injustices, and atrocities will continue.

  31. Davy on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 12:29 am 

    Greg, I don’t think there is any hope for humans in numbers greater than a few hundred million. In any case AGW and industrial suicide will likely bring us back to those numbers in a generation or less.

  32. Apneaman on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 12:40 am 

    Inoculating against science denial

    “Science denial has real, societal consequences. Denial of the link between HIV and AIDS led to more than 330,000 premature deaths in South Africa. Denial of the link between smoking and cancer has caused millions of premature deaths. Thanks to vaccination denial, preventable diseases are making a comeback.

    Denial is not something we can ignore or, well, deny. So what does scientific research say is the most effective response? Common wisdom says that communicating more science should be the solution. But a growing body of evidence indicates that this approach can actually backfire, reinforcing people’s prior beliefs.”

    http://theconversation.com/inoculating-against-science-denial-40465

  33. Makati1 on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 12:52 am 

    GregT, Davy only has the Americanized version of WW2. You know, flag waving and all. Mostly BS. He will never bother to find out the truth. All he watches are US produced propaganda videos. Maybe a few hours watching these would help expand his mind when it is too dark to plow?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6UWkK2U4s&list=PLnNmfyY_ccRHl0yAJZy3r5Nfq2-Xr22di

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbKYbLUkIpk&list=PL8hNHC9nbLlwpq5bbCkcODDmAXXFfuSKZ&index=1

    NOT produced by the American Propaganda machine.

  34. Apneaman on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 3:56 am 

    Revolt against America: Italians to storm a military base in Sicily

    Via Google Transalte

    About 1,000 people took part in the protests against the American presence in Sicily . The police had to intervene with tear gas. Several 100 protesters stormed a US military base in Sicily . On the site of the radar for US satellite system is operated.

    For years, there are regular demonstrations of its citizens against the US presence in their country. Mainly it’s about various NATO or military bases. On Friday there was now in Sicily large protests. In the south of the island, in Niscemi, located on a military base for the US radar and transmission facilities of the new satellite communication system Mobile User Objective System (MUOS).

    The radar system is not complete yet, only two of six satellites, for example, are completed and in orbit.About 1,000 people were therefore marched on Friday to the military base. The protesters No MUOS criticize that the satellite communication system MUOS world peace, the environment and the health of the local population threatened, reported the Italian newspaper Gazzetta of Sud. They demand an immediate halt to the work on the military base. In the course of Friday stormed about 100 people, the military base – they tore down the fence and broke into the premises. Nine protesters climbed addition to the antennas inside the military base. Earlier, the police had tried to keep away the demonstrators with tear gas from the plant, the Italian news agency Ansa.

    Also in March and April there had been several demonstrations of the movement No MUOS, as can be seen on the website of the organization. Italy’s defense minister says, however, that the system is “essential for NATO operations in the Mediterranean and thus also for the national security.”

    The satellite dishes have a diameter of about 20 meters. 2001, there was a bilateral agreement between the United States and Italy, that still signed the then Prime Minister Berlusconi. 2006 under Prodi, it was then ratified. Since then, the construction is proceeding on the island.

    http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2013/08/11/aufstand-gegen-obama-italiener-stuermen-militaerbasis-in-sizilien/

  35. Davy on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 7:35 am 

    Makster said “All he watches are US produced propaganda videos. Maybe a few hours watching these would help expand his mind when it is too dark to plow?” Sorry, Makster, not true I don’t watch war pig flicks. I am not a NUk war loving war pig like yourself that preaches global NUk war as our likely outcome. It is your desired outcome because you believe for some reason Asia will win and rise like a phoenix in a 1000 year Asian Reich. You somehow discount the doctrine of MAD and NUK winter that will destroy what is left of an already destroyed world. What a deranged individual you are.

  36. Davy on Mon, 27th Apr 2015 7:41 am 

    Ape Man, it is about time the people at the bottom in Europe call out the Americans and their Euro-partnership establishment of economic and military exploitation. But these people should also not forget you cannot have your cake and eat it. Their fate within a power vacuum on the edge of Africa could be dicey.

    I feel Europe is going to explode into civil war of competing nationalities when the SHTF with BAU. That is the European tendency. All that has kept the EU together is a lavish social system and high quality lifestyles. That cannot last in a continent with too many people and not enough resources. A continent with population pressures from the south that will be overwhelming at some point.

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