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Heinberg: Getting Past Trump, Part 2: The Russia Connection

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In Part 1 of this essay we surveyed the historical, economic, and cultural context for the upset victory of Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election. I did not mention Russian interference in that election. That’s because it is a subject that deserves to be treated on its own. It is, of course, a source of heated controversy: leaders of the national security agencies and the FBI are unanimous in saying that Russia made a concerted effort to impact the election, while denial that such interference took place has emanated from the White House, Fox News, and some Republicans in Congress. The latter’s motivation is fairly transparent: questioning the legitimacy of the election shines an unfavorable light on the Trump administration and the Republican Party. Interestingly, however, voices on the far left have likewise argued that the Mueller investigation is a “witch hunt” that should be shut down. This peculiar state of affairs deserves attention, and I’ll be discussing it at some length. Even though we will be focusing on a very small subsection of the U.S. population, the shifts there are illustrative of trends with wide impacts.

Journalist Glenn Greenwald and ex-CIA analyst/political activist Ray McGovern, both favorites of the left, have penned articles arguing there is no direct evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia; they also suggest that the Mueller investigation is in effect an effort by the Deep State to expel an irritant (Trump) from the body politic—an effort that runs roughshod over the Constitution and thereby imperils American democracy. Several of my leftist acquaintances are of the same opinion. Why would vociferous critics of Trump and the Republican Party be singing from the same song sheet as Trump in this instance?

Once again, a little background helps. The American left is permanently and understandably enraged at the U.S. national security apparatus (the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI, and State Department) following decades of military invasions and bombings in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia, etc.; the overthrow of elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, Congo, Dominican Republic, Brazil, and Chile; and support for dictators in the Philippines, Haiti, Guatemala, and elsewhere. By extension, many on the far left also hold the centrist, Clinton-led dominant wing of the Democratic Party in utter contempt. In the view of some leftists, the United States is pursuing a global plan for war that will never cease until all rivals to Washington are under heel. Accordingly, they have viewed the rise of Russia on the world stage as a necessary counterbalance to Washington’s imperial overreach. Meanwhile Russia (through RT and other outlets) has provided exposure for far-left intellectuals in the West whom the U.S. mainstream media often shuts out.

Leftist commentators frequently point out that Russia has a genuine gripe against America: after the breakup of the Soviet Union, the U.S. treated Russia miserably by expanding NATO (which Western leaders had promised they would not do). Further, the U.S. has routinely interfered in other nations’ elections, including (reputedly) the 1996 Russian presidential election. For these reasons complaints about Russia tipping the scales in the 2016 American election ring somewhat hollow.

For most far-leftists, it is not just the U.S. intelligence community that is to be distrusted, but the mainstream media as well: the New York Times and other prominent outlets were wrong about Afghanistan, wrong about Iraq, wrong about Libya, wrong about Syria. So why should we now believe them with regard to Trump and Russia? Hence at least some far-leftists seem as likely to link and tweet articles by Russian apologists like Alexander Mercouris and Moon Of Alabama as those by Noam Chomsky or Cornel West.

The problem with all this is that, however useful Russia may be as a check on U.S. warmongering foreign policy, it is nevertheless a fairly ruthless dictatorship. Russia is clearly promoting far-right and far-left political voices in Europe in an effort to destabilize the West, and appears to be doing the same in the United States. Evidence cited in one Mueller indictment suggests that Moscow’s agents worked not just on behalf of Trump, but Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein as well—though no one has claimed so far that either of these candidates actively conspired with Russia. Even if understandable or somehow justifiable, Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the U.S. and elsewhere won’t result in any advantage to the people of the countries targeted—any more than America’s longstanding similar efforts have done.

I won’t go into great detail summarizing the evidence that Russia did in fact interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf, and that the Trump campaign encouraged and likely conspired in those efforts. James Risen, Luke Harding, and Michael Isikoff have already done a good job in this regard. Russia and the Trump campaign had motive, means, and opportunity, and there is direct and indirect evidence for both interference and conspiracy. That evidence is increasingly contained in indictments, confessions, and guilty pleas. Yes, it is surely possible that U.S. intelligence agencies have doctored or even fabricated evidence of Russian election tampering. In that regard, there are remaining questions about the DNC email hack and the Steele dossier. But remove the hack and the dossier from discussion, and there’s still an impressive pile of evidence that virtually no one (other than clear Russia apologists) disputes.

Prior to the election campaign, Trump had financial relationships with shady Russians and did business in Moscow. During the campaign, he surrounded himself with advisers who had similar contacts and entanglements. On the campaign stump, he repeatedly praised Putin. During the campaign, Trump’s surrogates traveled to Moscow, exchanged frequent telephone calls with Russian officials and agents, and responded “I love it!” when illegally offered compromising information about Clinton by Russian sources. Trump publicly called for the Russians to “find” Clinton’s “lost” emails (one of his many profoundly unfunny “jokes”).

Meanwhile, we now know that Russia employed organizations to hack secure websites; organized scores of social media trolls and ad buys; paid teams to gather sensitive voter information at the state level; and even organized pro- and anti-Trump public rallies. Facebook has estimated that about 10 million people saw Russian ads targeting users in Michigan and Wisconsin—states Trump won by roughly 10,000 votes and 22,000 votes, respectively.

Once in office, Trump promptly divulged classified information to the Russian ambassador. He met with or telephoned Vladimir Putin repeatedly with no American present to record the conversation (which was utterly unprecedented). He appointed a Secretary of State with close ties to Moscow. And he has refused to implement sanctions on Russia that were passed overwhelmingly by Republican-dominated Congress and that he was more or less forced to sign.

In response to this litany, far-right and far-left commentators insist there is no definitive proof of collusion yet. But we should not expect to have such evidence in the public record at this stage. That’s the point of an investigation: to find what culprits seek to hide. The process involves subpoenaing witnesses and getting little fish to flip on big fish until the truth is revealed in sworn testimony. Recall Watergate: clear evidence of Nixon’s personal involvement wasn’t forthcoming until late in the two-year investigation, after the release of tapes of Oval Office conversations. Also, it’s entirely possible that many charges ultimately brought against Trump’s innermost circle will relate to financial crimes rather than conspiracy against the United States or obstruction of justice.

In my view, the Russian effort to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election was likely the most successful low-budget covert operation in history. At least one of its aims (if not the primary one) was to disrupt the internal political system of the U.S., and in this it succeeded beyond any reasonable expectation. The operation probably couldn’t have worked so well without Facebook, but it probably could have worked just fine without direct help from the Trump campaign. Yet perhaps that was itself a crucial part of the plan: Moscow’s intelligence operatives may have been careful to get some of the Trump team’s fingerprints on the election interference process so that, when an investigation eventually uncovered those clues, the entire American political system would erupt in recriminations, with charges of treason and counter-charges of “deep-state coup” leading to system meltdown.

I probably won’t change many minds about Trump/Russia in what I’ve written above. Some will probably conclude that I’ve sold my soul to the Clintonites (for the record, I did not support Clinton in the election), or that I’ve bought into anti-Russian propaganda emanating from the neoconservative foreign policy establishment. But that’s also part of the story: we are entering a post-truth era in which tribal alignment matters far more than mere facts, which are becoming ever harder to establish to everyone’s agreement. Jennifer Kavanagh calls this “truth decay,” and notes that it makes the job of informing and mobilizing the public much harder—not just with regard to Trump-Russia or politics in general, but also when it comes to climate change and the other collective survival threats.

Some caveats: I’m not suggesting that war brinkmanship with Russia would be a good idea. And I’m not in favor of demonizing anyone in the U.S. who has connections with, or good things to say about Russia (as Matt Taibbi argues is happening). Nor am I arguing that Russia was entirely or even primarily responsible for the Trump victory. It was a close race due to the factors unpacked in Part 1 of this essay. Russian interference may have played a crucial role in tipping the scales, but that would never have been possible if Americans were not already turning against their perceived political elites due to perceived failures.

Again, the real point here is that this is how democracies die. The rot begins within, but there are often external players who take advantage of the situation, or hasten the decay (as occurred also in the case in ancient Rome).

Even if Trump himself were gone tomorrow, the nation still faces simmering crises (falling energy return on investment, increasing economic inequality, over-reliance on debt, climate change) that appear to be leading toward collapse of government and the economy; meanwhile, as a result of political polarization, social fragmentation, plain old corruption (see NRA), and truth decay we are losing whatever ability we ever had to address those crises.

In Part 3 of this essay we will explore the implications of all this for environmental activism.

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80 Comments on "Heinberg: Getting Past Trump, Part 2: The Russia Connection"

  1. Anonymouse1 on Tue, 13th Mar 2018 3:18 pm 

    It is more than apparent, that Weinberg has completely lost it. While he attempts to frame his thoughts with soothing platitudes, ie “I never supported Clinton”. Not true, Whineberg has been a long time supporter\enabler of the clinton-obama cliques. While he gamely concedes some of the points of what he calls the ‘far-leftists’, this falls completely flat, after he does a complete 180 and essentially embraces the entire NSA\CIA demorepub ‘Russia did it’ narrative. Then he follows this up with the idea that Russia is financing both far-left AND far-right types all in order to destabilize ‘the west’. Sure they are Rick, sure they are….

    Its the Red Scare(tm), Whineberg edition.

    Whineberg characterizes Russia as ‘a fairly ruthless dictatorship’. By implication, President Putin then, is a ‘a fairly ruthless dictator’. At least in whinebergs eyes. Neither characterization is remotely accurate of course, but that hardly matters to whineberg. The idea this is meant to convey, is, that he is ‘pretty sure’ Russia did conspire to install the current moron-in-chief in the ceremonial position of ‘president’, so you should be too. On this subject, he is definitely of one mind with Rachel Maddow, Faux News, the Jew York times, hollywood and so on. The conciliatory parts of his message is basically, window dressing.

    uS led environmental destruction and wars continued non-stop under the figurehead obama. But with obama’s skillful PR team and Baraks pleasing demeanor, whineberg (and many others besides), were able to feel pretty good about things on the whole, even though he would gripe about particular details. With ‘president’ dumbass in ‘charge’, it is a lot harder for guys like richard here to deny the basic nature of the amerikan empire. trumpf and his lot make guys like Richard jobs a lot harder than it ought to be. Which of course, is why the hidden gov,(and richard), needed killarys uncharismatic and corrupt ass in the WH. It was a planned 16 year run of feel-good imperialism, uS-style that didn’t quite happen the way it was supposed to.

  2. dave thompson on Tue, 13th Mar 2018 4:04 pm 

    All of this BS about Russia and who knew what when is a media tactic to take the minds of all the people off what is really going on. Read some Stephen Kinzer to put it all in perspective.

  3. JuanP on Tue, 13th Mar 2018 6:15 pm 

    BS. I don’t think Americans need any help in destroying the USA; they are doing a great job of it all by their lonesome. Today’s USA is filled with the most violent, agressive, abusive, unequal, competitive, materialistic, selfish, ignorant, arrogant, and demented bunch of freaks to have ever walked this planet. Today’s USA represents the peak of inhumanity. The worst part is that it keeps getting worse every single day. Will the USA destroy the whole world as it collapses? I think we are headed for the worst of all possible outcomes. I would hate to be a reasonable US citizen today; it must be totally heartbraking for reasonable Americans to witness what their country has become.

  4. MASTERMIND on Tue, 13th Mar 2018 6:47 pm 

    JuanP

    You are a low IQ individual! You are just jealous because your country is a corrupted shit hole!

  5. Theedrich on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 1:34 am 

    Heiny is a globalist utopian.  He imagines that Russia, because it is acting reciprocally to the “democracy-spreading” U.S., is evil.  If Yankeedom overturns whole areas of the world, has long threatened other nations with nuclear annihilation, or seeks to corrupt Russia by stealth, that’s OK.  Because we’re special.  But for Russia under satanic chessplayer Putin to try to defend itself, that’s the definition of naughtiness.  Clearly, vast numbers of ignorami agree with him.

    By the way, Heiny pontificates that “the real point here is that this is how democracies die.  The rot begins within, but there are often external players who take advantage of the situation, or hasten the decay (as occurred also in the case in ancient Rome).”  Among other things, he might want to check out Tainter (The Collapse of Complex Societies) on what really caused the collapse of the western Roman Empire (~a.D. 476).  Rome was never a “democracy,” and it lasted (republic + principate) for at least 700 years.  It was the exhaustion of energy resources through ever-increasing complexification that brought it to its knees.  And if one wants to consider the Empire’s eastern half, the Byzantine Empire, well, that lasted until 1453 when the Turks conquered Constantinople.

    It would be nice if Heiny knew what he was talking about.

  6. Davy on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 5:34 am 

    Heinberg is a great environmental activist that need to stay out of politics. He sound bias when he get political even though he tries to remain neutral. His readership would crucify him if he spoke in a balanced way. This witch hunt is ridiculous anyway. The US is the most interfering nation on earth so Russia has every right to do the same. It must be the blind lying liberal in Heinberg that came out in this article. If he was talking about the science denying stupid Republicans then I would be all ears. When I say lying liberal I generally mean they are lying to themselves. Some liberals like the Klintons lie for a living. Klinton lost the election for people like Heinberg. He didn’t support her doesn’t matter because he didn’t object to the stench. Trump didn’t have a chance until the dumbasses fielded the corrupt Klinton Corporation for hire.

    The real Russian Collusion was with the Democrats under Klinton and Obama. This collusion was for money not better relations. At least Trump admired Russian and wanted to get along with a real world power. The real tragedy is the corruption of the FBI, CIA, And the NSA with the likes of Brenner, Clapper, and Comey supported by the Obama administration. Obama was by far the worst president ever because he allowed all this 5th column to destroy what was left of the constitution under the guise of the phony “hope and Change”. What Obama did was institute Chicago style politics at the national scale. He turned his back on the poor for the glittering life of a rich liberal.

  7. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 7:24 am 

    Davy

    You sound like a paranoid loon. The real collusion was the democrats..Jesus! I swear you people down south are so fucking dumb. That is why we got Trump.

  8. fmr-paultard on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 7:48 am 

    DO YOU see why as a tard i’m held down and grounded to a stump? i’m tasked with all sorts of basic research including cattle mutilation. at first i asked for limus test if anyone being probed, the answer is NO.

    Then I’m told “FBI investigated!” ….dude, why you get desperate all of a sudden? I thought we’re talking about cattle mutilation and whether you’re probed.

    But if you want, just because FBI investigated doesn’t means FBI allocated funds properly. People investigate. Plus FBI could put new agent to the test and send him out to have fun on his/her own. I mean what a newbie useful for? Yeap maybe the internal joke is the new guy investigate cattle mutilation and probing.

    Uh ok…

    researc shows this is result of folksy brains, no moar.

  9. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:44 am 

    Micromind, Every time you post a comment you prove what an ignorant retard you are. The fact that you think that you are smart makes me laugh more than anything else on this forum. You are the definition of a low IQ individual. Could you please explain to us why the fuck you think you are smart? I look forward to reading your stupid answer, Imaginary Neuron. LOL!

  10. Davy on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:54 am 

    Mm, you know what “flushes a covey” means. Apparently you are one of those blind lying liberals. In fact I think you are worse than that because you don’t have the education many of us here have including the liberals. This makes your comments stand out as stupid.

  11. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:56 am 

    Davy

    I have a PhD from Michigan. And work at a university. You are a dumb imbread farmer. Who is scared of science papers..

  12. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 11:33 am 

    Megan Kelly / Vladimir Putin, full interview.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhi_AyQAyw

  13. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 11:38 am 

    “I have a PhD from Michigan. And work at a university.”

    You have displayed zero semblance of intelligence here MM, and obviously do not even have a job. If you did, you wouldn’t be posting here on PO.com 24/7/365.

    If you expect anyone to take you seriously at all, stop playing the classroom ass/clown.

  14. Plantagenet on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 5:16 pm 

    The hack of the DNC exposed the fact that the DNC was acting in collusion with the Hillary campaign to steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders—–confirming what Bernie Sanders was saying in his campaign.

    If the D establishment hadn’t cheated and subverted our democracy by cheating Bernie out of the D nomination, none of this would’ve happened.

    Cheers!

  15. Kevin Cobley on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 6:56 pm 

    Russia is a dictatorship that acts outside the norms of a 21C society. Putin has crowned himself an autocratic King.
    It’s currently running an organized murder campaign against political opponents living overseas using nuclear and chemical weapons as a “signal” to the west when they could have just as easily used a car or a gun. They used these weapons so they would be noticed and that the notice would spread to the front pages of newspapers.
    They are demonstrating they have no concern at all for morality and will use whatever weapons they choose for their objectives.

  16. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 7:29 pm 

    Greg

    I have already told you I took a year off from my job last Summer. Since I won’t be able to ever retire. And I have enough money saved up. Sorry Pal I have worked since I was 13 unlike you who had a rich daddy who worked for the government…

  17. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:03 pm 

    Kevin, I would like to know what nationality you have and what you think of YOUR country. Putin is regularly polled as the most popular politician in the world, even by Western polling agencies, not bad for a “dictator”. How do your country’s political leaders poll? Do you come from a country that has never attacked another? Does your country use weapons illegally and break international laws to achieve its objectives? In other words, ARE YOU COMPLETELY FULL OF SHIT?

  18. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:10 pm 

    SLAVEMIND “I have a PhD from Michigan. And work at a university.” That has to be your most ridiculous comment ever and we all know that you have posted a load of bull here. Do you honestly think that anyone who has been reading your illiterate copy and paste rants here can believe that? You are a completely delusional retard! Thanks for the laugh! LOL!

  19. Davy on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:11 pm 

    He is Australian.

  20. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:20 pm 

    SLAVEMIND, I disagree with Davy on some issues, but he has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he is both smart and educated by posting well written, smart, coherent comments many, many times on a wide number of issues over the years. You, on the other hand, are nothing more than a copy and paste nut job who keeps posting the same old links over and over again and believes to be smarter than you are. I am still waiting for you to express one smart, literate, creative, original thought. You haven’t written a single comment worth reading since you started posting comments here and it has already been some months. My guess is that most of the people on this board think of you every time they hear the word stupid.

  21. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:21 pm 

    Juanp

    Putin is not polled the most respected leader in the world you idiot. Russia is ranked next to dead last in world respect..Once again showing how low your IQ is.
    http://news.gallup.com/poll/225761/world-approval-leadership-drops-new-low.aspx

  22. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:25 pm 

    Juanp

    My sources are impeccable! Check this out its epic!
    https://imgur.com/a/OB1w6

  23. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:29 pm 

    Davy “He is Australian”
    Thanks for the tip. I used to like Australia and Australians a lot, but my opinion of them has changed in the last 25 years. I particularly dislike the way they are treating the people they hold in those migrant camps they built. I also dislike the way they have treated the Australian aboriginals.

    It is very disappointing to witness how the whole world is getting worse and no corner seems to be spared this trend. I am going back home to Uruguay for two weeks in April and I am not looking forward to it. It is extremely depressing to witness what my country has become, too.

  24. JuanP on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:36 pm 

    SLAVEMIND, I can’t help the fact that you lack the intellectual capacity to understand the difference between Putin (a human being) and Russia (a country). The poll you linked to does not mention Putin at all which proves my point that you are an illiterate, retarded copy and paste nut job. With every comment you post you just keep proving my point that you are an ignorant idiot.

  25. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 8:50 pm 

    Juan

    You are such a hate filled person..LOL You hate me and America. what have you ever done that is so special? Cut someones grass or clean a toilet? LOL

  26. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:09 pm 

    “Juan, You are such a hate filled person..LOL You hate me and America. what have you ever done that is so special?”

    Juan comes from an extremely well to do family MM, and he has chosen to volunteer his time to help Americans make it through the coming bottleneck.

    Other than trolling internet forums, acting like a complete idiot, and pissing other people off, what is your claim to fame? Loser boy.

  27. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:24 pm 

    “Sorry Pal I have worked since I was 13 unlike you who had a rich daddy who worked for the government. And I have enough money saved up.”

    More BS MM. If you’ve been employed since you were 13, which is illegal by the way, you never would have completed grade school, never mind high school or university. And you most certainly never would have been able to pay for a post secondary eduction, without a handout from somebody else, or a massive pile of debt.

    You are completely full of shit Davy.

  28. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:35 pm 

    Greg

    I worked in the Farms in Indiana when i was 13. You can work on farms in Indiana below the age of 14. My parents couldn’t even afford to give me allowance growing up. My parents weren’t some elitist like yours working for the state.

  29. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:38 pm 

    Greg

    What is my claim to fame. I was the state chess champion in Indiana in High school.I told you this before also. Geez you boomers have shitty as fuck memories! Must have been all that lead you inhaled everyday in your gasoline growing up.

  30. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:41 pm 

    Greg

    what is my claim to fame? I made this last week.

    https://imgur.com/a/OB1w6

    One person on reddit told me they thought I was smarter than everyone on wall street combined. People tell me all the time how smart I am. That is why I am the MM and you are boring old stubborn Greg.

  31. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:43 pm 

    “I was the state chess champion in Indiana in High school.”

    Must of been some seriously weak competition. Judging from your comments here so far, I would peg your IQ at far below the state average of 97.

  32. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 9:49 pm 

    “One person on reddit told me they thought I was smarter than everyone on wall street combined. People tell me all the time how smart I am. That is why I am the MM and you are boring old stubborn Greg.”

    People in general are stupid MM, and boring old stubborn Greg is doing just fine, while you obviously, are not.

  33. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:00 pm 

    Juan,

    “SLAVEMIND, I disagree with Davy on some issues, but he has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that he is both smart and educated by posting well written, smart, coherent comments many, many times on a wide number of issues over the years.”

    Stop egging the nutbar on. MM is one of Davy’s sock puppets.

  34. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:04 pm 

    greg

    Calling people in general stupid is not an argument.

  35. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:06 pm 

    “Calling people in general stupid is not an argument.”

    Correct.

  36. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:07 pm 

    Greg

    I am a sock puppet to nobody! And who cares what whack job Juan thinks. All he does is complain about everything and everyone. I know the world is coming to an end soon. And you dont see me bitching and moaning about it.

  37. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:09 pm 

    It’s obvious Trump has been compromised by Putin..Maybe the pee pee tape really does exist?

  38. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:18 pm 

    “who cares what whack job Juan thinks.”

    Juan is magnitudes above you, in every respect.

    All he does is complain about everything and everyone. I know the world is coming to an end soon. And you dont see me bitching and moaning about it.

    All you ever do is moan about the world coming to an end soon, which it will not.

    You are an idiot MM. Everyone here is well aware of that.

  39. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:36 pm 

    Greg

    Less than 3 years till worldwide oil shortage greg. I hope you are stocked up!

  40. GregT on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:42 pm 

    “Greg,

    Less than 3 years till worldwide oil shortage greg. I hope you are stocked up!”

    If you had any semblance of intelligence at all MM, you’d be far more concerned about yourself, than you would be about somebody else that you’ve never met, and that you know absolutely nothing about.

  41. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 10:54 pm 

    Greg

    All i know is gas stations only have a few days worth of supplies. And when those shortages come. That will be gone in a few hours with preppers gassing up their bug out trucks and bankers gassing up their private jets!

  42. MASTERMIND on Wed, 14th Mar 2018 11:07 pm 

    Nikki Haley warns: Russia could use chemical weapons in New York

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/nikki-haley-warns-russia-could-use-chemical-weapons-in-new-york

    Putin better not hit NYC! Or he will be in big trouble!

  43. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 1:11 am 

    we are entering a post-truth era in which tribal alignment matters far more than mere facts

    Very good Richard! Now what do you think says this about the future of the US, if any?

    Again, the real point here is that this is how democracies die.

    This was the day America died:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Immigration_Bill_Signing_-_A1421-33a_-_10-03-1965.jpg

    March 10, 1965, signing of the Immigration Act, that would turn America into a third-world-country-in-waiting.

    The coast was clear for LBJ to sign America into the abyss after he obviously was personally involved in getting rid of his predecessor and land himself on the presidential throne without inconveniences like elections:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y

    According to the Israelis themselves LBJ was the most pro-Israel president ever:

    https://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/abraham/publications/johnson_israel.pdf

    In many ways, Lyndon Johnson can be regarded as the U.S. President most
    favorably disposed toward Israel.

    He committed treason by covering up the Israeli attack against the American ship SS Liberty. And since we are living on a planet where 1+1=2 what conclusion can you draw about the background of LBJ?

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/153013/lyndon-johnson-november-1963

  44. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 1:19 am 

    Putin better not hit NYC! Or he will be in big trouble!

    The nuclear weapon was almost exclusively developed by Jews like Einstein, Szilard, Oppenheimer, Teller, Fermi and a few more as the Jews of The Forward admit:

    https://forward.com/scribe/369701/the-secret-jewish-history-of-the-atom-bomb/

    It is not for nothing it was called the Manhattan project:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

    In hindsight I would have chosen a different name, not one that would attract the fire to the core of JFK’s “ruthless conspiracy”…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCF-VriRoU

    …or George Carlin’s “big club of which you are not in it”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

    Think of it: a few soulless km3 of concrete, glass and steel and interest calculating computers.

    Poof.

  45. Boat on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 1:53 am 

    Clog?

    The Jews? What happened to the Germans building the nukes.

    Lol you anti Americans have switched to Trump speak. Just say anything, say something different and call the response fake news.

  46. GregT on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:05 am 

    “The Jews? What happened to the Germans building the nukes.
    Lol you anti Americans have switched to Trump speak. Just say anything, say something different and call the response fake news.”

    Are you really that stupid Boat? Or just pretending?

  47. Boat on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:11 am 

    Mm

    I see your doomer mind making adjustments in your short time here at peakoil.com. Up to 3 years before oil depletion hits instead of one. A new peer reviewed study perhaps?

  48. Boat on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:12 am 

    Clogs words, not mine.

  49. Anonymouse1 on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 3:18 am 

    A rhetorical question was asked!

    But yes, boatwetard really is that stupid.

  50. DerHundistlos on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 4:26 am 

    The definition of insanity:

    “At least Trump admired Russian and wanted to get along with a real world power. The real tragedy is the corruption of the FBI, CIA, And the NSA with the likes of Brenner, Clapper, and Comey supported by the Obama administration. Obama was by far the worst president ever because he allowed all this 5th column to destroy what was left of the constitution under the guise of the phony “hope and Change”. What Obama did was institute Chicago style politics at the national scale. He turned his back on the poor for the glittering life of a rich liberal.”

    Yes, oh poor Don. He really wanted to get along with Russia, but he was not allowed. What a crock of paranoid insanity. Are you now suggesting Don is nothing more than a lackey? For whom? Starting when?

    Do you have ANY evidence to support your assertions of a 5th column infiltrating the federal government along with ‘Chicago style politics” or is this an editorial based on a gut feeling?

    The fundamental problem with this is that Obama’s eight years in office were scandel free while Trump faces numerous charges both in his capacity as president and as a private individual.

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