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Heinberg: Getting Past Trump, Part 2: The Russia Connection

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In Part 1 of this essay we surveyed the historical, economic, and cultural context for the upset victory of Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election. I did not mention Russian interference in that election. That’s because it is a subject that deserves to be treated on its own. It is, of course, a source of heated controversy: leaders of the national security agencies and the FBI are unanimous in saying that Russia made a concerted effort to impact the election, while denial that such interference took place has emanated from the White House, Fox News, and some Republicans in Congress. The latter’s motivation is fairly transparent: questioning the legitimacy of the election shines an unfavorable light on the Trump administration and the Republican Party. Interestingly, however, voices on the far left have likewise argued that the Mueller investigation is a “witch hunt” that should be shut down. This peculiar state of affairs deserves attention, and I’ll be discussing it at some length. Even though we will be focusing on a very small subsection of the U.S. population, the shifts there are illustrative of trends with wide impacts.

Journalist Glenn Greenwald and ex-CIA analyst/political activist Ray McGovern, both favorites of the left, have penned articles arguing there is no direct evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia; they also suggest that the Mueller investigation is in effect an effort by the Deep State to expel an irritant (Trump) from the body politic—an effort that runs roughshod over the Constitution and thereby imperils American democracy. Several of my leftist acquaintances are of the same opinion. Why would vociferous critics of Trump and the Republican Party be singing from the same song sheet as Trump in this instance?

Once again, a little background helps. The American left is permanently and understandably enraged at the U.S. national security apparatus (the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI, and State Department) following decades of military invasions and bombings in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia, etc.; the overthrow of elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, Congo, Dominican Republic, Brazil, and Chile; and support for dictators in the Philippines, Haiti, Guatemala, and elsewhere. By extension, many on the far left also hold the centrist, Clinton-led dominant wing of the Democratic Party in utter contempt. In the view of some leftists, the United States is pursuing a global plan for war that will never cease until all rivals to Washington are under heel. Accordingly, they have viewed the rise of Russia on the world stage as a necessary counterbalance to Washington’s imperial overreach. Meanwhile Russia (through RT and other outlets) has provided exposure for far-left intellectuals in the West whom the U.S. mainstream media often shuts out.

Leftist commentators frequently point out that Russia has a genuine gripe against America: after the breakup of the Soviet Union, the U.S. treated Russia miserably by expanding NATO (which Western leaders had promised they would not do). Further, the U.S. has routinely interfered in other nations’ elections, including (reputedly) the 1996 Russian presidential election. For these reasons complaints about Russia tipping the scales in the 2016 American election ring somewhat hollow.

For most far-leftists, it is not just the U.S. intelligence community that is to be distrusted, but the mainstream media as well: the New York Times and other prominent outlets were wrong about Afghanistan, wrong about Iraq, wrong about Libya, wrong about Syria. So why should we now believe them with regard to Trump and Russia? Hence at least some far-leftists seem as likely to link and tweet articles by Russian apologists like Alexander Mercouris and Moon Of Alabama as those by Noam Chomsky or Cornel West.

The problem with all this is that, however useful Russia may be as a check on U.S. warmongering foreign policy, it is nevertheless a fairly ruthless dictatorship. Russia is clearly promoting far-right and far-left political voices in Europe in an effort to destabilize the West, and appears to be doing the same in the United States. Evidence cited in one Mueller indictment suggests that Moscow’s agents worked not just on behalf of Trump, but Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein as well—though no one has claimed so far that either of these candidates actively conspired with Russia. Even if understandable or somehow justifiable, Russia’s efforts to influence elections in the U.S. and elsewhere won’t result in any advantage to the people of the countries targeted—any more than America’s longstanding similar efforts have done.

I won’t go into great detail summarizing the evidence that Russia did in fact interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf, and that the Trump campaign encouraged and likely conspired in those efforts. James Risen, Luke Harding, and Michael Isikoff have already done a good job in this regard. Russia and the Trump campaign had motive, means, and opportunity, and there is direct and indirect evidence for both interference and conspiracy. That evidence is increasingly contained in indictments, confessions, and guilty pleas. Yes, it is surely possible that U.S. intelligence agencies have doctored or even fabricated evidence of Russian election tampering. In that regard, there are remaining questions about the DNC email hack and the Steele dossier. But remove the hack and the dossier from discussion, and there’s still an impressive pile of evidence that virtually no one (other than clear Russia apologists) disputes.

Prior to the election campaign, Trump had financial relationships with shady Russians and did business in Moscow. During the campaign, he surrounded himself with advisers who had similar contacts and entanglements. On the campaign stump, he repeatedly praised Putin. During the campaign, Trump’s surrogates traveled to Moscow, exchanged frequent telephone calls with Russian officials and agents, and responded “I love it!” when illegally offered compromising information about Clinton by Russian sources. Trump publicly called for the Russians to “find” Clinton’s “lost” emails (one of his many profoundly unfunny “jokes”).

Meanwhile, we now know that Russia employed organizations to hack secure websites; organized scores of social media trolls and ad buys; paid teams to gather sensitive voter information at the state level; and even organized pro- and anti-Trump public rallies. Facebook has estimated that about 10 million people saw Russian ads targeting users in Michigan and Wisconsin—states Trump won by roughly 10,000 votes and 22,000 votes, respectively.

Once in office, Trump promptly divulged classified information to the Russian ambassador. He met with or telephoned Vladimir Putin repeatedly with no American present to record the conversation (which was utterly unprecedented). He appointed a Secretary of State with close ties to Moscow. And he has refused to implement sanctions on Russia that were passed overwhelmingly by Republican-dominated Congress and that he was more or less forced to sign.

In response to this litany, far-right and far-left commentators insist there is no definitive proof of collusion yet. But we should not expect to have such evidence in the public record at this stage. That’s the point of an investigation: to find what culprits seek to hide. The process involves subpoenaing witnesses and getting little fish to flip on big fish until the truth is revealed in sworn testimony. Recall Watergate: clear evidence of Nixon’s personal involvement wasn’t forthcoming until late in the two-year investigation, after the release of tapes of Oval Office conversations. Also, it’s entirely possible that many charges ultimately brought against Trump’s innermost circle will relate to financial crimes rather than conspiracy against the United States or obstruction of justice.

In my view, the Russian effort to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election was likely the most successful low-budget covert operation in history. At least one of its aims (if not the primary one) was to disrupt the internal political system of the U.S., and in this it succeeded beyond any reasonable expectation. The operation probably couldn’t have worked so well without Facebook, but it probably could have worked just fine without direct help from the Trump campaign. Yet perhaps that was itself a crucial part of the plan: Moscow’s intelligence operatives may have been careful to get some of the Trump team’s fingerprints on the election interference process so that, when an investigation eventually uncovered those clues, the entire American political system would erupt in recriminations, with charges of treason and counter-charges of “deep-state coup” leading to system meltdown.

I probably won’t change many minds about Trump/Russia in what I’ve written above. Some will probably conclude that I’ve sold my soul to the Clintonites (for the record, I did not support Clinton in the election), or that I’ve bought into anti-Russian propaganda emanating from the neoconservative foreign policy establishment. But that’s also part of the story: we are entering a post-truth era in which tribal alignment matters far more than mere facts, which are becoming ever harder to establish to everyone’s agreement. Jennifer Kavanagh calls this “truth decay,” and notes that it makes the job of informing and mobilizing the public much harder—not just with regard to Trump-Russia or politics in general, but also when it comes to climate change and the other collective survival threats.

Some caveats: I’m not suggesting that war brinkmanship with Russia would be a good idea. And I’m not in favor of demonizing anyone in the U.S. who has connections with, or good things to say about Russia (as Matt Taibbi argues is happening). Nor am I arguing that Russia was entirely or even primarily responsible for the Trump victory. It was a close race due to the factors unpacked in Part 1 of this essay. Russian interference may have played a crucial role in tipping the scales, but that would never have been possible if Americans were not already turning against their perceived political elites due to perceived failures.

Again, the real point here is that this is how democracies die. The rot begins within, but there are often external players who take advantage of the situation, or hasten the decay (as occurred also in the case in ancient Rome).

Even if Trump himself were gone tomorrow, the nation still faces simmering crises (falling energy return on investment, increasing economic inequality, over-reliance on debt, climate change) that appear to be leading toward collapse of government and the economy; meanwhile, as a result of political polarization, social fragmentation, plain old corruption (see NRA), and truth decay we are losing whatever ability we ever had to address those crises.

In Part 3 of this essay we will explore the implications of all this for environmental activism.

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80 Comments on "Heinberg: Getting Past Trump, Part 2: The Russia Connection"

  1. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 6:01 am 

    “Are you really that stupid Boat? Or just pretending?”

    He does not enable Nazis and claim Hitler was a victim because, cough cough, you know, Hitler did not want war. I could go on and on with your stupidity.

  2. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 6:05 am 

    “Do you have ANY evidence to support your assertions of a 5th column infiltrating the federal government along with ‘Chicago style politics” or is this an editorial based on a gut feeling?”

    I flushed a blind lying liberal “Deep State” supporter. DISGUSTING

  3. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 6:09 am 

    “Think of it: a few soulless km3 of concrete, glass and steel and interest calculating computers. Poof.”

    More war pig lust. You disgusting Nazi piece of shit might get your war and maybe if it comes it might just be in your backyard…OH, how inconvenient.

  4. Anonymouse1 on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:03 pm 

    ‘mushmind’ is australian exceptionlist? RoFL. Your alt-personality disorder just claimed he was from…where was it is, michigan? You need to learn to keep your personality disorders stories straight dumbass. You can barely keep your ‘main’ disorder straight given your mental state. Don’t you think maintaining two nutbar personalities is a more than you can handle? Time to dial it back a notch and focus on just one dysfunctional disorder (you).

    I mean before Mak went MIA all you did with ‘mishmashmind’ was use it to attack him non-stop. Once he went MIA, you needed something for ‘mushmind to do’. Now that Mak is on hiatus, all you use him for is, predictably, harp on Greg constantly in the exact same, rambling borderline insane manner.

    What a complete dumbass you are, exceptionlist.

  5. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:11 pm 

    Listen to the weasel whine. It is wonderful you two stupid Canadians spend so much of your time with your panties in a wad over me. Both you pussies have no backbone so it is easy to keep you both preoccupied pricking and in the process seeing all your personalities foibles exposed.

  6. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:15 pm 

    He really wanted to get along with Russia, but he was not allowed. What a crock of paranoid insanity. Are you now suggesting Don is nothing more than a lackey? For whom? Starting when?

    I have no doubt that Trump was sincere when he promised his electorate to improve relations with Russia. But indeed, “The System” won’t allow him a rapprochement. Trump is under constant attack in the media, everywhere in the West, that at the same time keeps demonizing Putin-Russia. There is only so much a single man can endure.

    Brexit, the first results are in:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-unilever-structure/unilever-picks-rotterdam-for-hq-as-britain-loses-the-battle-before-brexit-idUSKCN1GR0PJ

    The Dutch-British food giant will have a single HQ, in Rotterdam.

    Dutch-British Royal Dutch Shell could be next. In the current arrangement, London has the HQ but the company has a Dutch CEO.

    https://www.ft.com/content/87941e10-d353-11e7-ae3e-563c04c5339a

    Could Unilever and Shell say ‘vaarwel’ to their London listings? (article November 2017)

    Well, Unilever now did. Shell could be next. And then there are the banks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnVW4S5EJE

  7. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 2:27 pm 

    More war pig lust. You disgusting Nazi piece of shit might get your war and maybe if it comes it might just be in your backyard…OH, how inconvenient.

    War lust? Quotes please. Nowhere did I say that NYC needs to be nuked. I just pointed out the irony of the name of the project that brought us the nukes and Manhattan as a prime target in a nuclear exchange that hopefully will never happen.

    Having said that, you can accuse me of “war lust” all you want, but we all know that neither Europe, nor Russia or China are going to start a major military conflict. That privilege is entirely reserved for our self-styled “exceptionalists” and “indispensible nation”, who are 24/7 busy in demonizing Russia with the clear intent that the bear gets angry and strikes first, providing the desired excuse for the US deep state to throw their Americans against Russia and China like a sack of potatoes.

    And what do you mean, “in our (Dutch) back yard”? Who would be the enemy combatants?

    The major fault lines are:

    1. between the US vs Russia/China
    2. in the US itself between left and right over demographics

    WW3 could begin in the South-China Sea or the Gulf and end in continental USA.

  8. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 3:01 pm 

    You stupid Eurotard no “quotes” needed. You personify war lust. A majority of your comments are about war and killing you just disguise them well. Your buddy greggie is even better at the camouflage becuase he is a self-deceiving liar. You on the other hand are honest about being a card carrying Nazi. Good thing you two are a nobodies.

  9. MASTERMIND on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 3:21 pm 

    Clogg

    China is not going to join forces with Russia. You dumbshit. This is a white peoples war. its going to be US,Europe,UK,Israel, against Russia…And Russia is fucked! Worlds richest man Putin no more! I hope they shove knives up his asshole like they did to Libya’s leader!

  10. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 3:30 pm 

    You on the other hand are honest about being a card carrying Nazi.

    What does that even mean in 2018, “Nazi”, other than the favorite smearword of the depressed, virtue signaling little guys and cucks.

    I believe in the grandeur of European civilization, the greatest civilization on earth and willing to actively defend it against its enemies. And since a centure Europe’s worst enemy is ZOG-USA. I’ll be dancing on its grave and help extinguishing the fire in between the smoldering rubble… by pissing on it.

    Questions?

  11. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 3:59 pm 

    “China is not going to join forces with Russia. You dumbshit. This is a white peoples war. its going to be US,Europe,UK,Israel, against Russia…And Russia is fucked!“

    If there is going to be a war against Russia, it will be because your tribe will send their stupid anglos in that war again, like they did to Germany.

    There is no way that China will be on the side of the anglos, because they know they would be next after Russia.

    And don’t imagine for a second that you can sick continental Europeans against Russia. British perhaps, but not Germans and French.

    No, anglos-zionist war-mongers will start WW3 and walk into the Eurasian knife. Eurasians only have to turn the knife three times around and the (((problem))) is solved.

    https://youtu.be/u9KRTcmmBxk

    Note that Juncker doesn’t say that Russian is losing importance.

    https://www.rt.com/news/387313-us-losing-leadership-eu-mogherini/

    Hahaha, the West against Russia.rofl

    Eurasia against Anglosphere, that will be WW3 and will spell the downfall of the latter. Down-under will go to China, Scotland to the EU, London to the Muslims, 1/3 of the US to Mexico and (T)rump America to Europe.

  12. Boat on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 4:04 pm 

    War lust. Turning to economic war simply means less to no trade with a country. No big deal. Good for climate change. A billion or so poor will remain so without the West investment and tech. Countries should bind together with common cause.
    The big question is China. Will they give up their largest trading partners for FF from Russia. Tough decision.

  13. MASTERMIND on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 4:11 pm 

    Boat

    Russia is peaking soon anyways..

    IEA: Russia’s oil output to reach its peak in 2020
    http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/IEA-Russia%E2%80%99s-oil-output-to-reach-its-peak-in-2020.html

  14. MASTERMIND on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 4:28 pm 

    Britain First held a “rally” in London, and kettled themselves

    https://i.imgur.com/uZkhQeA.png

  15. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 4:51 pm 

    “Britain First held a “rally” in London, and kettled themselves”

    Haha Britain and nationalism.lol In the thirties, they and Americans (Orwell, Hemmingway for instance) volunteered to fight in Spain on the side of Stalin, like they did in WW2. Most Anglos are inverse white Friday’s from Robinson Crusoe, placing black man’s foot in their necks:

    https://goo.gl/images/XheD13

    Now THIS is a rally:

    Poland:

    https://youtu.be/a7xqwm_c1_k

    Germany, where Robinson gets a far bigger crowd than in Britain:

    https://youtu.be/fOHAXEkxCWM

    Geert Wilders in Dresden:

    https://goo.gl/images/CQjGmP

    Demonstrations like these with thousands of attendents take place every week, for three years now.

    Eurasia vs Anglosphere, that’s next.

  16. Davy on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 5:01 pm 

    racist drivel from a lonely old white man. Maybe if you had a real relationship nedernazi you would not be so disgusting.

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 5:32 pm 

    Uh-oh, discontent in the anglo camp: Corbyn suggests a false flag:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-russia-spy-nerve-agent-iraq-war-wmd-labour-theresa-may-a8256021.html

    It remains to be seen if millikike can sick his anglo serfs against Russia like they did to Germany.

    Of course it was a false flag, like 9/11, mh17, the liberty, JFK, Tonkin, etc, etc.

  18. Cloggie on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 5:58 pm 

    http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/dutch-bid-to-poach-giants-while-uk-s-back-is-turned-1-5302479

    “Post Brexit, Unilever and Shell could take advantage of lower corporate taxes in the Netherlands.”

    Unlikely Shell wants to be left holding the Brexit bag. FTSE would fall by 14%.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-business/shell-ceo-says-oil-giant-would-be-hit-by-brexit-idUSKCN0UV0H3

    Statement made by Shell before Brexit vote: “Shell CEO says oil giant would be hit by Brexit”

  19. MASTERMIND on Thu, 15th Mar 2018 6:05 pm 

    Clogg

    I agree it was most likely a false flag. But that is what works my friend…And if I were the worlds richest man like Putin I would be packing my golden parachute and heading to Switzerland! China isn’t going to help his ass. They know once we take control of Russia they can just buy their oil and gas from us instead of Russia..Makes no difference to them.

  20. Cloggie on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 4:53 am 

    I agree it was most likely a false flag. But that is what works my friend

    You are pretty sure of yourself, or at least pretend to be. Overlooked what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? And then there is DJT.

    You are losing big-time, “my friend”.

  21. Cloggie on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 5:04 am 

    China isn’t going to help his ass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

    They will because they know they would be next after Russia.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Europeans, Russians and Chinese have long reached agreement between each other how to divide the Anglo loot between themselves.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/business/france-germany-and-italy-join-asian-infrastructure-investment-bank.html

    Nobody takes third world countries serious. They don’t have to.

    And you and your sidekick meathead are going to be dragged to a Nuremberg 2.0 tribunal.

    Malcolm Fraser is right: Australia will end up in Chinese hands after the implosion of the US empire. And the old pecking order between Europe and a balkanized America will be restored.

    #MakeMexicoGreatAgain

  22. Davy on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 5:21 am 

    “They will because they know they would be next after Russia.”
    To a point. China and Russia will never completely trust each other. Their relationship is a marriage of convenience with one eye looking over their shoulder. There is not enough economic activity for China and Russia to go it alone.

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if the Europeans, Russians and Chinese have long reached agreement between each other how to divide the Anglo loot between themselves.”
    Agenda drivel

    “And you and your sidekick meathead are going to be dragged to a Nuremberg 2.0 tribunal.”
    Emotional agenda drivel

    “Malcolm Fraser is right: Australia will end up in Chinese hands after the implosion of the US empire. And the old pecking order between Europe and a balkanized America will be restored.”
    Sure neder, keep wishing and hoping on and on…..

  23. Cloggie on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 5:49 am 

    To a point. China and Russia will never completely trust each other. Their relationship is a marriage of convenience with one eye looking over their shoulder.

    In geopolitics nobody completely trusts each other, yet alliances do occur. The US and USSR in the thirties didn’t trust each other either, yet they went along with their anti-European alliance regardless. Russia has all the reason to distrust a Chinese neighbor with a ten times bigger population. Hence the long-term Russian strategy of becoming a major European nation, on par with Germany and France. Brexit and DJT could not have arrived at a more opportune moment. But Russia was driven into the Chinese arms into a marriage of mutual convenience, because for the moment, the US empire is the greater danger, for both Russia and China and is Russia, oh irony, for the moment protected from China, just like a pretty girl at a party is protected from one particular guy by all the other jealous guys.

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/boreas-risingwhite-nationalism-the-geopolitics-of-the-paris-berlin-moscow-axis-part-1/

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/paris-berlin-moscow/

    There is not enough economic activity for China and Russia to go it alone.

    Ridiculous wishful thinking. Russia and certainly China “went it alone” for 1000-2500 years. The US in contrast won’t exist for another decade because you have bitten in the poisonous anti-racism cookie, baked in the kosher bakery, by a baker who wants you dead (hi George! hi millimind/apneaman).

  24. Davy on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 5:57 am 

    In geopolitics nobody completely trusts each other, yet alliances do occur.
    Aah, that is what I said…or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

    “The US and USSR in the thirties didn’t trust each other either, yet they went along with their anti-European alliance regardless.”
    Emotional history revision

    “Russia has all the reason to distrust a Chinese neighbor with a ten times bigger population. Hence the long-term Russian strategy of becoming a major European nation, on par with Germany and France.”
    Emotional agenda with no basis with facts on the ground

    “Ridiculous wishful thinking. Russia and certainly China “went it alone” for 1000-2500 years.”
    We are talking the facts on the ground now with a globalized world. Look at the trade figures with Europe, US and China then check out China and Russia.

    “The US in contrast won’t exist for another decade because you have bitten in the poisonous anti-racism cookie, baked in the kosher bakery, by a baker who wants you dead (hi George! hi millimind/apneaman).”
    More emotional Eurotard racist chauvinistic drivel with no basis in facts.

  25. Cloggie on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 6:15 am 

    In geopolitics nobody completely trusts each other, yet alliances do occur.
    Aah, that is what I said…or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

    You didn’t say that alliances do occur. One sentence attention span?

    Emotional history revision

    Revision alright of self-serving US lies.

    Emotional agenda with no basis with facts on the ground

    Do I really have to post again the link where Putin himself says he wants Paris-Berlin-Moscow? Notable AFTER Euro-Maidan, you dummy!

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/12/03/paris-berlin-moscow/

    These were the best years in Putin’s political life, before the Merkel c*nt showed up:

    https://tinyurl.com/y9ssr7z2

    He is still a European and backed by all the populists in Europe.

    http://www.ilgiornale.it/sites/default/files/foto/2016/11/15/1479227780-1449685713-1416931070-salvini-putin-2.jpg

    America is an unattractive ally (nobody wants to become a third world hell hole like the US, but your kosher masters have decided you need to go and lame cowards like you will comply), but if we push the US away, we push it into the arms of China as a junior partner, which would be a strategic disaster for Europe. Hence we need a slice of the American pie. Fortunately there are in America folks who call themselves European:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxMoGWoQ7U0

    That’s our chance.

  26. Davy on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 6:42 am 

    “You didn’t say that alliances do occur. One sentence attention span?”
    Intelligent people realize that

    “Revision alright of self-serving US lies.”
    Emotional comment on emotional history revisions

    “Do I really have to post again the link where Putin himself says he wants Paris-Berlin-Moscow? Notable AFTER Euro-Maidan, you dummy!”
    Putin has said many things that does not mean he believes them to be realized. I am sure every leader wants peace on earth too. I think Putin would rather have Europe under his wings like the USSR had.

    “He is still a European and backed by all the populists in Europe.”
    Sure neder and they all want to vote from him in the next election. LMFAO

    “America is an unattractive ally (nobody wants to become a third world hell hole like the US, but your kosher masters have decided you need to go and lame cowards like you will comply), but if we push the US away, we push it into the arms of China as a junior partner, which would be a strategic disaster for Europe. Hence we need a slice of the American pie. Fortunately there are in America folks who call themselves European:”
    More racist anti-American Eurotard drivel without basis in fact.

  27. Cloggie on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 6:59 am 

    Putin has said many things that does not mean he believes them to be realized.

    The logic of the situation will dictate it: a rising China to become the new #1 and a disintegrating America.

    But intellectual liteweight meathead and geopolitical logic.

    /rolleyes

    Emotional comment on emotional history revisions

    The very revisions you refuse to discuss, because you know you would get your sorry ass kicked by me.

    I am sure every leader wants peace on earth too. I think Putin would rather have Europe under his wings like the USSR had.

    And the US, as you “forgot” to mention.

    Globalist/communist Roosevelt, Stalin and their sidekick Churchill absolutely did not want peace, they wanted to destroy Europe and take its #1 place:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/

    I think Putin would rather have Europe under his wings like the USSR had.

    Putin is a realist unlike you empire dreamer. That’s why he leads a 145 million country and you mess around with goat shit.

    Russia has $4T GDP, the EU $20T. See the difference? Putin does. European membership is what all the Czar’s since (Dutch-speaking) Peter the Great hoped for and Putin is no exception.

    With the US overlord we will become DJT’s shit-hole country. Together with Russia we can restore European grandeur:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL3sAsMIp8k

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYpj3r1Wrck

    I’ll leave it to you as an exercise to figure out what most Europeans would prefer. And ca. 120 million European-Americans are invited to the party as well, just to neuter George S.

  28. Davy on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 7:19 am 

    What your logic dictates it not standard “logic”. Your logic is a product of fantasy and emotions.

    Your fantasy extends even further to believing you have your hand on the heartbeat of Europe. The reality is more like an extremist fantasy of what Europe thinks.

  29. MASTERMIND on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 8:15 am 

    Clogg

    The US is only one false flag away from Nuking Russia back into the stone ages..its coming! we both know it!

  30. TurningPoint on Sat, 17th Mar 2018 8:10 pm 

    Read this thread and you’ll lose all hope for the future.

    Personally I don’t blame Russia for anything considering how we insist on marching NATO onto their southern border and hold military exercises on their northern border. We’ve been hostile to them for a long time and it’s getting worse through time so they have no choice but to respond. Maybe Putin is doing it in a thuggish way but they have no choice but to respond with a tit for everyone of our tats.

    We’re at each other’s throats. Maybe humanity deserves to go extinct.

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